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Dark Azelf December 7th, 2014 8:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Archer99 (Post 8523353)
Another type?,That's new if I'm correct. The last two types that we had were Steel and Dark before fairy.

Some megas are cool, I'm going to admit that other ones are like puke. Psuedo Ubers? It happens the same with other pokes, They wall you to death and nobody complains about it. If attackers are going to be chased to death I'm going to start playing Ubers. I just say, Let's make things fair for both sides I still think that Mega Salamence's battlefield is Ubers, He was born for that ****.

PS: Really.... Salamence hates cold, Even Aurora Beam with STAB would be an OHKO.

Yep, psuedo ubers. Megas have BETTER stats, moves and typing than some ubers lol.

Also maybe i should elaborate about the "nothing new". Most viable fairies were in the game before except with a different typing. They arent new lol. Same with Defog and weather changes etc. That is just a simple mechanic change, not being totally new. As with megas, its just a totally reused and revamped concept, it isnt new. Those pokemon/moves were already in the game. Also mega evolving is a digimon rip off but i digress.

Also the 70 or so "new" pokemon are generally inferior or just plain suck. There are only a few usable/OU ones. :\ RS, DP, GS, even BW introduced about 100-150 new ones each.

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They wall you to death and nobody complains about it.
If you lose to stall, your team has flaws. You get life orbs, choice items, stat boosting moves, defog, things with base 160+ offenses. You simply got outplayed, and the ratio of bs attackers to bs walls is ridiculous at this current time in favor of offense js.

Lastly, ive alluded to this in a previous post, but its always offensive players that get what they want and the best of bans. Mega Mence wasnt really too threatening against stall or bulky offense (4mss [using Outrage? Cool you cant hit Heatran or Skarm etc] and common stall pokemon stop it cold, it just maimed offense because it was hard to revenge kill and check with offensive pokes. On the other hand if stall players said "Oh hera, gardy and gothitelle are bs to counter they should be banned because nothing walls them and using gothitelle is admitting you have no wallbreaking skill" nothing would be done lol. Which is the main reason i think its ridiculous when we should be striving for balance and we are letting these megas roam free when there is a clear bias lol. :|

Dark Azelf December 7th, 2014 9:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Archer99 (Post 8523394)
Hmm... You're right about my teams, Lol. I'm not a pro.

About the "New" stuff, The weather was something nice to have. And the pokes, Yeah 6th gen sucks hard, On everything.

And Mega Mence.. If you have to run Scarf Greninja to outspeed it... You tell me. For me, If I can outspeed it and OHKO it it's not a threat, But running Scarf Greninja is like using Swords Dance on Chansey.


I wasnt specifically saying your teams, i meant in general. :P

The last point you make basically sums my argument up about striving for balance and why megas arent healthy for it. I could say the same. Why should i be forced to run something as ****** as Doublade in order to stop mega gardy, or pack my team with things that gothitelle cant trap? Just as offense shouldn't have to run garbage things like Scarf Greninja to beat mega mence.

Also Swords Dance has more use than just Chansey js lol so i dont think thats a good argument. When you have to run something specifically to beat something else, thats when it becomes questionable see: Scarf Ninja for mence, on the other hand Chansey has many things that beat it.

Polar Spectrum December 7th, 2014 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 8523376)
Also maybe i should elaborate about the "nothing new". Most viable fairies were in the game before except with a different typing. They arent new lol. Same with Defog and weather changes etc. That is just a simple mechanic change, not being totally new. As with megas, its just a totally reused and revamped concept, it isnt new. Those pokemon/moves were already in the game. Also mega evolving is a digimon rip off but i digress.

The pokemon were in the games before; yes. But the typing was not, and that's a huge deal. There was no type that hit fighting, dark, and dragon super effective, nor a type that resisted the former 2 and was immune to the latter. That's a huuuuge balancing issue addressed. If you want to say Moonblast, as a 95 base power move that hits all three of those super effectively isn't a new addition, then how can any gen be considered to have introduced any new moves; being as all pokemon are weak to other types, that have moves, that have existed since at least gen 1/2? And just because you don't see new content playing solely on Showdown within certain rule sets doesn't mean it's not there - it more of means you just don't personally care for it, or aren't exposed to it within the small portion of content you're exposed to from the new games within that medium / playstyle.

This ties into mega salamence being banned from OU lol. Mostly because being banned from OU, essentially means Swagon players can discount Mega Salamence from being substantial new content introduced in ORAS / sixth gen. Because it's now removed from what they consider 'standard play' - it may as well not even be there for the bulky demographic who can't / refuses to stray outside of that one playlist on showdown.

skyburial December 9th, 2014 10:45 AM

Were I to choose a first poke for the Bug/Dragon typing, it would be Yanmega, for a few reasons.

First and foremost, Mega Yanmega is just fun to say, and ridiculously meme-able, which would result in creative nicknames. In my opinion, this is part of what energizes the metagame.

Second, Dragon-type megas and Bug-Type megas are both too centralized around physical attackers. With ORAS, this problem was slightly alleviated for Dragon, and not at all for Bug. So we've got all these answers for Bug-types in OU that can go completely unchecked on the special side.

Third, mega evolution often comes with a move pool expansion, and Yanmega's move pool is weak sauce without Tinted Lense. So this would not only give Yanmega the bump it deserves, but diversify the sets that we run on the rest of the tier.

I'm not sure if the same can be said for Flygon.


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