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Enigmatic Emolga December 11th, 2014 8:51 AM

I somehow managed to beat Wattson with just my Cosplay Pikachu. All of its moves were not very effective, and I couldn't use Thunder Wave, so I took up the challenge and just about managed to wreck Wattson.

Also, Game Freak, we need to talk... Explosion is a Beauty move in contests. Just finding that out was an 'Are you serious?' moment.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 11th, 2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 8526726)
I think the reason behind the removal of the Berry Blender and why Pokeblocks are automatically made at any time now, is because some people don't have a lot of time these days and Game Freak felt they needed an anti-frustration method for making Pokeblocks.

Anti-frustration methods ruining features people loved is something we all have to deal with in future games I'm afraid.

Sadly I think you're right. Though some of that frustration then beating it after awhile is what makes games entertaining...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 11th, 2014 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Candela (Post 8527483)
Why did you think Smogon banned Mega-Rayquaza from Ubers? :/

Let me just place another wtf moment when I learned that a certain event Pokemon is no longer event-exclusive.

Actually after finding that out I ran to see if it was banned from Ubers by Smogon, and unsurprisingly it was. I wonder if GF will balance it out in future games by having it hold the Jade orb which could manifest the power of the meteors and the hope of the people in order for it to Mega Evolve.

morrison December 11th, 2014 11:03 AM

The altaria of the champion at contests has an attack that gives you instant full stars. Also she has a full set of theme fitting attacks each different contest.
In lilycove a team aqua member makes a hsowa reference.

Nah December 11th, 2014 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8528804)
Actually after finding that out I ran to see if it was banned from Ubers by Smogon, and unsurprisingly it was. I wonder if GF will balance it out in future games by having it hold the Jade orb which could manifest the power of the meteors and the hope of the people in order for it to Mega Evolve.

Probably not. I don't think that Game Freak cares at all what Smogon thinks of certain Pokemon or what they do with their tiers. I'm not sure if Game Freak even cares about balancing things for competitive battles at all.

Pendraflare December 11th, 2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8528882)
I'm not sure if Game Freak even cares about balancing things for competitive battles at all.

I don't think that's true at all. First, some people even suggested that the reason the games since BW have been so short in the main story is so the competitive players can quickly get their teams in the swing. Not only that, but that has been suspected as to why every legendary is present in the games, so they can be used in the VGCs.

Nah December 11th, 2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pendraflare (Post 8528914)
I don't think that's true at all. First, some people even suggested that the reason the games since BW have been so short in the main story is so the competitive players can quickly get their teams in the swing. Not only that, but that has been suspected as to why every legendary is present in the games, so they can be used in the VGCs.

IDK about that. The main storylines have been roughly the same length throughout the whole series. And the legendaries could've been put in there for PokeDex completion purposes, for the newer players. Most of the ones available in ORAS are either banned VGC or ones nobody really uses as far as I know.

Candy December 11th, 2014 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8528925)
Most of the ones available in ORAS are either banned VGC or ones nobody really uses as far as I know.

Considering there's an upcoming national VGC tournament this Sunday over at my country that bans every legendary aside from the Kanto birds... yeah.

Pendraflare December 11th, 2014 5:05 PM

Really? Well that was what I recall speculating some people said. But it's also partly in that they want newer players to be able to complete the Pokédex without having to transfer stuff (and for getting them with good IVs).

Furthermore, if Game Freak doesn't care about the competitive scene, then why else would they have made it easier to breed for good IVs than ever with XY having the Friend Safari and the Destiny Knot mechanics?

bobandbill December 11th, 2014 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pendraflare (Post 8528914)
I don't think that's true at all. First, some people even suggested that the reason the games since BW have been so short in the main story is so the competitive players can quickly get their teams in the swing. Not only that, but that has been suspected as to why every legendary is present in the games, so they can be used in the VGCs.

I can't really agree with that suggestion. XY had a rushed story, but it still took around the same amount of time to get to the E4, if not longer. ORAS hasn't had many segments cut out, just the backtracking to places sped up at times which isn't very much time saved (and then there's the additional [email protected] bit and cutscenes). Also agree that the first point about putting legendaries in is making them available in general to players.

They've definitely paid some attention to competitive play, what with increase VGCs (noticeable in Australia, certainly!), and online competitions, and between those in-game features like Join Avenue and Super Training make it easier to train Pokemon. And legends have 3 IVs. Balancing is one matter and I don't feel it is a focus of theirs, but they have been 'kinder' to the competitive scene I suppose.

Spinosaurus December 11th, 2014 6:02 PM

They made breeding a lot easier and streamlined as well, what with Destiny Knot passing down 5IVs now, Everstone guaranteeing the nature you want and mothers now being able to pass down egg moves. There's other things like the IV checker which is really helpful and how easy it is to get a Pokemon with 3IVs via Friend Safari or DexNav.

They even took it a bit further in ORAS in the battle resort. Not only is there a Daycare there next to the IV checker, but the battle resort itself is the best place to hatch eggs (honestly of the whole series imo) and it seemed they deliberately designed it that way, so no more constant flying. Oh, and a certain NPC that explicitly tells you that you can't win in serious battles by using your favourites. (So yeah, that Karen quote is dead)

Ray Maverick December 12th, 2014 2:13 AM

My genuine "are you serious" moment was when Zinnia knocked me out in Sky Pillar. It's like... couldn't they find a more reasonable way to pass the time from starry nighttime to the regular time you had on your 3ds? Did they need to have Zinnia, who had recently become your ally, knock you out for no apparent reason? It seemed so horribly out of place that I couldn't help but laugh

MarinoKadame December 12th, 2014 7:27 PM

Mine is always when I meet trainers with Koffing and Weezing using Self-Destruct or Explosion as their first move at full HP.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 13th, 2014 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by morrison (Post 8528851)
The altaria of the champion at contests has an attack that gives you instant full stars. Also she has a full set of theme fitting attacks each different contest.
In lilycove a team aqua member makes a hsowa reference.

I think that last one is only AlphaSapphire exclusive as I didn't see it in OmegaRuby.

pryce10 December 15th, 2014 1:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8523914)

and having Wally rematch to be unlocked AFTER the FRUSTRATING Battle Masion is NOT fustrating... REALLY!
FU GF
no really
FU!
I wanna punch them REAL HARD!

BURN THEM!
TRASH THEM!
SMASH THEM!

TURD FOR THE GF!!!

*SHAKES FIST*

ChikoritaCheezits December 16th, 2014 8:05 PM

When I got to the Safari Zone, I went in and realized they took out the Safari game part and replaced it with just catching Pokemon. Seriously? That kind of takes the fun out of it.

Hikamaru December 16th, 2014 8:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChikoritaCheezits (Post 8535657)
When I got to the Safari Zone, I went in and realized they took out the Safari game part and replaced it with just catching Pokemon. Seriously? That kind of takes the fun out of it.

Yeah I do admit it may have turned into a mini-route, but at least you can get inside for free now and there's also no more step limits. It's probably more of an anti-frustration feature, which probably explains why it got changed like this. But at least that means if you run into a shiny you don't have to worry about it fleeing now.

Pendraflare December 16th, 2014 8:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pryce10 (Post 8533311)
-vicious rant-

As hostile as this post is...i'm honestly inclined to agree. I mean, B2W2 gave us the Colress rematch which had items on his team members and all you had to do was beat the game then get to the Plasma Frigate from Route 18 (and there are the Elite Four + Champion, who on Challenge Mode also have odd held items). But this? After everything nice that the game puts you through, to force you to beat a frustrating bout to unlock this awesome fight is just stupid. Not helped by the fact that the rematches against him don't use his awesome battle music, either.

morrison December 17th, 2014 12:19 AM

Also all of a sudden hoenn is swamped with foreign pokemon after the 8th badge? did kyogres starshower just washed up pokemon?

KostK2Boss December 17th, 2014 4:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pendraflare (Post 8535664)
(...) Not helped by the fact that the rematches against him don't use his awesome battle music, either.

^This, pretty much! To add insult to injury, the game starts playing his theme when you talk to him, but when the battle starts it switches to the standard trainer music. But I like how he uses an actual OU team as his last rematch and there's even an NPC mentioning that she saw Wally running around the Resort while holding many Eggs. Wally is basically an in-universe interpretation of a competitive player!

seeker December 17th, 2014 4:52 AM

If I'm honest, the charm of Mauville was stripped away with the addition of its expansion. It feels really impersonal and lacks personality. Mauville is now a really bland building with an uninspired courtyard. Contrast this with the Sootopolis expansion, which is really beautiful, and you wonder how they managed to mess up on their hub city. That really is my biggest complaint though.

In all the ways GF messed up (which wasn't many), I really enjoyed how ORAS brought in new features. If we're really talking "WTF" though...why didn't they make it easier to have both bikes earlier in the game.

Pendraflare December 17th, 2014 6:23 PM

I haven't seen another thread for discussing negative aspects, so i'll mention it here: according to Bulbapedia, just like in XY, the Trainer Card is the same joke that it is in XY - defeat Steven, complete the Hoenn Pokédex (although it doesn't state whether it's seen or caught) and defeat one of the Battle Chatelaines on Super Mode. Nothing regarding contests. You'd think that they would incorporate those into the trainer card requirements like the originals did, but no...

Candy December 17th, 2014 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pendraflare (Post 8536747)
I haven't seen another thread for discussing negative aspects, so i'll mention it here: according to Bulbapedia, just like in XY, the Trainer Card is the same joke that it is in XY - defeat Steven, complete the Hoenn Pokédex (although it doesn't state whether it's seen or caught) and defeat one of the Battle Chatelaines on Super Mode. Nothing regarding contests. You'd think that they would incorporate those into the trainer card requirements like the originals did, but no...

So you mean the only thing that I got out of going through all the Master Rank Contests is a measly Lucarionite? Meh, what a rip off. You can get those easily in XY anyway.

Pendraflare December 17th, 2014 9:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Candela (Post 8536902)
So you mean the only thing that I got out of going through all the Master Rank Contests is a measly Lucarionite? Meh, what a rip off. You can get those easily in XY anyway.

If you think that's jarring, just wait until you try to get the Garchompite. You have to steal the flag from 1,000 Secret Bases!!! And unlike in the Sinnoh games, you can only steal one base's flag per day. Another Mega Stone you can obtain in XY without much concern...

HairyLoco December 17th, 2014 10:07 PM

A good WTF moment, I noticed I had to battle Rayquaza now so I stocked up on Pokeballs, I bought 50x Ultra and 50x Dusk plus 10x Quick, and got 11 Premier Balls added to it. Figured that'll do.

I caught Rayquaza with one Ultra Ball. o.O
Edit: And with my first turn Quick Ball in the second try (Rayquaza's Dragon Pulse took out Deoxys in one hit...)

Oh yeah and another one is Zinnia's battle animation.... What is that about?

KostK2Boss December 18th, 2014 5:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PokéLoco (Post 8536966)
A good WTF moment, I noticed I had to battle Rayquaza now so I stocked up on Pokeballs, I bought 50x Ultra and 50x Dusk plus 10x Quick, and got 11 Premier Balls added to it. Figured that'll do.

I caught Rayquaza with one Ultra Ball. o.O
Edit: And with my first turn Quick Ball in the second try (Rayquaza's Dragon Pulse took out Deoxys in one hit...)

Oh yeah and another one is Zinnia's battle animation.... What is that about?

Yeah, Rayquaza's catch rate has been drastically increased, because it's a required capture, much like Xerneas and Yveltal before it. Also, Deoxys gets KOed by just about any attack Rayquaza has at the time, even though he's 10 levels higher. Only Extremespeed has a chance of not KOing Deoxys in one hit.
As for Zinnia's battle intro, I think she's really REALLY into Pokemon battles. Either that, or she's possessed by the devil.

morrison December 18th, 2014 6:48 AM

interesting to know. hm. Something that made me a little sad is that only master rank medals are shown at a pokemon. no super or normal contest medals :(

Candy December 18th, 2014 8:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pendraflare (Post 8536913)
If you think that's jarring, just wait until you try to get the Garchompite. You have to steal the flag from 1,000 Secret Bases!!! And unlike in the Sinnoh games, you can only steal one base's flag per day. Another Mega Stone you can obtain in XY without much concern...

And no trainer card upgrades from doing so as well, huh? Ah, what a bummer. Time to transfer Mega-stones from my Pokemon Y then.

On the bright side, getting the Platinum Flag will give you more decorations, so that's something to work for. But yeah... my Trainer Card's not really worth it for me anymore if it won't showcase my achievements in Contests and Secret Bases.

I mean, XY is pretty much explainable with the lack of post-game content, but this? I think Contests and Super Secret Bases got a bit of a spotlight back during the Coro Coro Leaks, and they even got their own NPCs, so why Game Freak won't bother making them a trainer card upgrade requirement and went with XY's instead?

Anyone can complete the game, and getting the National Dex completed is a cinch now, so the only challenge is the Super Mode Battle Maison for the casuals if they strive for the Gold Trainer Card. And even that, if you focus on it you'll reach it eventually.


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