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Frostinite December 10th, 2014 4:58 PM

DexNav Shiny Chaining and Perfect IV Guide. (Updated V.1)
 
This will Be a work in progress as i have never made my own thread before.

I did not see a complete topic for this so if there is i do apologize.

The DexNav's search ability is probably one of the most useful features in the game. So i will share all i figured out while experimenting with the feature to get a shiny Ralts!

So if you don't want to haul through a load of text i made a quick video it isn't the best as i don't make videos like this but i give a basic explanation of what you need to do to get into shiny chaining and What sort of features The Dexnav has for you Like getting you Perfect 6 IV pokemon, again once i get a bit more used to making videos and i get better equipement ill update everything
The quality of the video (not sound) is bad i know but this is as i said just to help and give everyone an idea what to do!



So if you prefer to read the explanation instead this is for you

Lets use this image of a Poochyena as a base for the explanation:

http://www.serebii.net/omegarubyalphasapphire/dexnavlevels.jpg

Search Level:

Spoiler:
The Search Level itself which is shown in the top right hand corner of the Dexnav spans from Lv.1 to 999. The importance of this meter allows you as the Level gets higher, to find pokemon with enhanced stats which are explained further down the guide. To start this Meter off you have to first encounter the wild pokemon in question and if you would like to increase this Level manually you first need to Capture the pokemon in question to search for it in the wild using the Dexnav


Potential

Spoiler:
The potential meter shown with 3 blank star spaces indicates a pokemons overall IV's. So for example if a pokemon you encounter has a single Star lit up then this means that your wild pokemon has a 31 IV stat the best IV you can have. So logistically 2 stars would have 2 perfect IV's and 3 would have 3. Now when you hit 3 stars, a Red ! Mark will be side by side. This means this pokemon has the potential to have between 3-6 Perfect IV's so if your trying to find yourself a perfect pokemon then would be the time to make that capture! the way you increase your chances of finding pokemon with better IV's is having a Higher Search Level, although this is still only speculation.
TIP If you want to make sure your potentially perfect encounter has a usable nature make sure your lead pokemon has the Ability Synchronize. This means the wild pokemon will have the same nature as your lead pokemon


Ability

Spoiler:
This aspect is pretty simple. Continously seeking the pokemon sometimes develops a wild pokemon having it's hidden ability. Look for the Red ! mark to see if the pokemon has it's unique ability.
There are certain pokemon that have 3 different abilities so you must keep searching through if you want a specific nature!


First Moves.
Spoiler:
At the beginning of the game you encounter a Poochyena with a move that it would not normally learn by leveling up. These are moves the pokemon can learn via breeding only. Like myself i recently caught a Ralts with the move Destiny bond. This move is not a move learned by leveling so using the dexnav can help you get a pokemon you want without the long haul of breeding!
Any pokemon found using the dex nav has the ability to have a move it would only learn through breeding. There are many variations of moves for each pokemon.
Feel free to post pokemon you have found with egg moves!


Levels and Shiny hunting!
Spoiler:

Now the most important part!
Shiny hunting! Now theres a lot of controversy on what actually does factor into encounters with a shiny pokemon. The fact of the matter is the True method has not been confirmed and i do not state this is the actual method, it's just what myself and many others have found useful

First things first. How do i chain and what do i need?
You will need the following to succeed.
1. Max/Super repels!
2. A strong pokemon with High PP moves.
3. Ultra Balls or Quick Balls.
4. Patience!

Really this is all you need.
To start your chain you need to have caught the pokemon you want to find shiny. Go into your dex nav and select it on the screen. hit the search button and wait for one to be found.
Sneak up on the pokemon in question and battle it. KO the pokemon and search for it again. And again and again!
The first pokemon you Knock out will start your chain. You HAVE to KO the pokemon or capture it to continue your chain. If you run or the pokemon escapes your chain will break. Which is why you need a good pokemon with high PP moves to be able to continously KO Each encounter
Make sure to use your repels before starting the chain. So no wild pokemon interrupt you.

This may help you keep count of your Chain.
Once you have found 5 pokemon of the same species in the chain you will find the same pokemon with a higher level. so this poochyena would be found on chain five at level 12 for instance. The 6th Poochyena you would find would be level 3 one level higher than level 2. from there every fifth pokemon you find will be 10 levels higher so using this format it would look like this.

1st Poochyena Lv.2
5th Poochyena Lv12
6th Poochyena Lv3
10th Poochyena Lv13
11th Poochyena Lv4
15th Poochyena Lv14
16th Poochyena Lv 5
20th Poochyena Lv15

And so on!
this extra level rise is a great way for you to keep count on your chain. If the level at any point goes back down to level 2 you broke your chain somewhere.
So.... what breaks your chain?

1. Leaving the area breaks your chain.
2. Running from a pokemon or the pokemon escaping breaks your chain.
3. Walking to a Dexnav pokemon breaks your chain.
4. Taking to long to reach the pokemon found results in the pokemon leaving and thus breaks your chain.
5. While trying to find a your pokemon through search if another pokemons tail emerges and you ignore it your chain will be broken.

What doesnt break your chain.

1. If you search the pokemon your chaining and it says one could not be found THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOUR CHAIN IS BROKEN. do not panic. Keep walking (Without leaving the area) and search again. (This is being investigated as it is true for some and false for others)
2. If another species of pokemons tail appears your chain is not broken and DO NOT RUN. Encounter the pokemon and KO it your chain will remain unbroken and continue your chain. If you do not KO the pokemon your chain will break.
3. Going into your menu or any other feature will not break your chain UNLESS you use GTS or enter trades or battles with Friends or passersby.
(Update: If you Dexnav search a pokemon and it escapes before you encounter it this DOES NOT reset your chain. Just keep searching until you encounter your desired pokemon!)

So basically the number one rule is to have patience i chained up to the High 90's until i found my shiny ralts. So just take your time!


I will add to this guide with time. As i learn more but for now i will leave it at this and hopefully in some way this has helped some of you understand how this works.

Feel free to leave posts of what you have found using the dexnav be it shinies to Perfect IV pokemon, hidden abilities to egg moves!

If you have further questions or something doesnt make sense just ask and ill help.

In a few days i will redo the Video guide to be a little more informative (In less time) And with more solid facts

[ Stay Frosty !]

Volga December 10th, 2014 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frostinite (Post 8528014)
1st Poochyena Lv.2
5th Poochyena Lv12
6th Poochyena Lv3
10th Poochyena Lv13
11th Poochyena Lv4
15th Poochyena Lv14
16th Poochyena Lv 5
20th Poochyena Lv15

And so on!
this extra level rise is a great way for you to keep count on your chain. If the level at any point goes back down to level 2 you broke your chain somewhere.

The level rise thing has nothing to do with chaining, if that's how your levels were, then that's just a coincidence.
I've chained a Poochyena and got a shiny after about 70, and he was level 2 multiple times, same thing happened for Zigzagoon (got a shiny after about 130).

Anyways, other than that, this looks like a pretty decent guide. :)

Frostinite December 10th, 2014 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Jay Reynolds (Post 8528036)
The level rise thing has nothing to do with chaining, if that's how your levels were, then that's just a coincidence.
I've chained a Poochyena and got a shiny after about 70, and he was level 2 multiple times, same thing happened for Zigzagoon (got a shiny after about 130).

Anyways, other than that, this looks like a pretty decent guide. :)

really? Wouldnt that mean there isn't really a chain method it's just continuously encountering the pokemon? After all it's a bit odd to have the levels increase every 5 or so enconters using the dex nav if there is no real point to it, plus these levels seem to only increase when i search and chain.
Seems i need to investigate more!

Pendraflare December 10th, 2014 5:47 PM

Hm, guess this is a guide i'll have to pay attention to if I want to learn how to use the DexNav. I'd really like to breed some interesting stuff in this game and not have to transfer everything from XY :P

She_Delphox December 11th, 2014 1:45 AM

Thanks for this Thread :) I do wonder though (because I have read different theories regarding this one), when I would be chaining for, lets say Poochyena. I encountered it 21 times, and the 22nd time the DexNav can't find it in the area. I do keep running until I find it, but what happens when it keeps saying that this Pokemon I want to find isn't in the area? (you can't leave the area because that will break the chain right?)
Because some say that you need to encounter another random Pokemon, KO it, and search for Poochyena (in my case) again. But doesn't encountering another Pokemon break your chain? @[email protected] I can't help but feeling a bit confused about this..

Odyssey December 11th, 2014 2:44 AM

I got myself a Shiny Eevee from this method. If I remember correctly, I got it around my 90th-100th chain. I'm not sure what's the actual method, but it seems to work. Thanks for this thread, by the way. ;)

Frostinite December 11th, 2014 4:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pendraflare (Post 8528081)
Hm, guess this is a guide i'll have to pay attention to if I want to learn how to use the DexNav. I'd really like to breed some interesting stuff in this game and not have to transfer everything from XY :P

Most likely the guide will change over time! Its difficult to say what the method truly is im comparing my own and matts theory now. I know hat you mean! This game seems to be really convenient

Quote:

Originally Posted by She_Delphox (Post 8528419)
Thanks for this Thread :) I do wonder though (because I have read different theories regarding this one), when I would be chaining for, lets say Poochyena. I encountered it 21 times, and the 22nd time the DexNav can't find it in the area. I do keep running until I find it, but what happens when it keeps saying that this Pokemon I want to find isn't in the area? (you can't leave the area because that will break the chain right?)
Because some say that you need to encounter another random Pokemon, KO it, and search for Poochyena (in my case) again. But doesn't encountering another Pokemon break your chain? @[email protected] I can't help but feeling a bit confused about this..

Really its down to patience, treat it like the poke radar, if it can't find you pokemon walk 50 steps, also try to search in a spot that has patches of grass either side of your character i do this and have not had a problem! To clerify as long as you run around until a new tail appears, encounter it and KO it your chain won't break.your chain will only break if you scare it off before encountering or running in battle. Easiest way is to build a chain of 5-6 then run around until a tail from a different pokemon appears and KO it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odyssey (Post 8528444)
I got myself a Shiny Eevee from this method. If I remember correctly, I got it around my 90th-100th chain. I'm not sure what's the actual method, but it seems to work. Thanks for this thread, by the way. ;)

Your welcome! Lucky on the Eevee encounter! As long as it works right? :]

Saki December 11th, 2014 4:40 AM

Does anyone have a specific recommendation for what Pokemon you should use while chaining? Specific sets, etc?

Thanks for the thread, it's helpful. :)

Frostinite December 11th, 2014 4:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saki (Post 8528488)
Does anyone have a specific recommendation for what Pokemon you should use while chaining? Specific sets, etc?

Thanks for the thread, it's helpful. :)

Thanks your most kind, if you want a specific nature to your shiny use a pokemon with synchronize ability ralts is available early in the game so its a perfect choice. Gardevour can learn Thunder wave so it makes captures that little bit easier. You also may want to have a pokemon that can learn false swipe. Unless the shiny your after can learn self damaging moves. Or maybe even pokemon that learns spore or hypnosis, if your trying to capture a shiny ralts or abra it would be a huge pain if it used teleport! Jumpluff would be a nice bet it's high speed stat makes it great for chaining and legendary battles! Although sleep powder isnt a surefire move ! its all down to preference, I use gardevour myself! hope i helped!

Saki December 11th, 2014 4:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frostinite (Post 8528494)
Thanks your most kind, if you want a specific nature to your shiny use a pokemon with synchronize ability ralts is available early in the game so its a perfect choice. Gardevour can learn Thunder wave so it makes captures that little bit easier. You also may want to have a pokemon that can learn false swipe. Unless the shiny your after can learn self damaging moves. Or maybe even pokemon that learns spore or hypnosis, if your trying to capture a shiny ralts or abra it would be a huge pain if it used teleport! Jumpluff would be a nice bet it's high speed stat makes it great for chaining and legendary battles! Although sleep powder isnt a surefire move ! its all down to preference, I use gardevour myself! hope i helped!

Yes, thanks for your help! I shall put together a good chaining team and test it out soon ^_^

MarinoKadame December 12th, 2014 7:13 PM

For capturing you could use a Smeargle with Spore, False Swipe, Soak and I seems to never remember the 4th one, Technician will increase the damage of False Swipe.

Frostinite December 13th, 2014 1:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 8530557)
For capturing you could use a Smeargle with Spore, False Swipe, Soak and I seems to never remember the 4th one, Technician will increase the damage of False Swipe.

Haha so your basically recommending to use Scizor! Which isn't a bad choice.

Just a little update i'm either going to replace the Text with video tutorials or have both in the main Guide. I've learn't a little more so i think a video explanation would be a little easier. I'll shorten the guide aswell but make it easier to follow.

So hopefully that will implement later this evening first video will be shiny hunting itself and the second will be EV's and Perfect IV guides. There don't seem to be any videos explaining the Dex Nav or Capturing perfect pokemon for OR AS yet so i'll get on to that for you all.

MarinoKadame December 13th, 2014 4:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frostinite (Post 8530901)
Haha so your basically recommending to use Scizor! Which isn't a bad choice.

Just a little update i'm either going to replace the Text with video tutorials or have both in the main Guide. I've learn't a little more so i think a video explanation would be a little easier. I'll shorten the guide aswell but make it easier to follow.

So hopefully that will implement later this evening first video will be shiny hunting itself and the second will be EV's and Perfect IV guides. There don't seem to be any videos explaining the Dex Nav or Capturing perfect pokemon for OR AS yet so i'll get on to that for you all.

Well smeargle has stab on False Swipe at the same time.

Frostinite December 13th, 2014 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 8531040)
Well smeargle has stab on False Swipe at the same time.

Valid point! They are both just as useful since Scizor has great ATK



Anyway for anyone who prefers i made a quick video so you can listen and kind of see what you have to go about getting Shiny/perfect IV pokemon. See guide at the top of Page 1
It may not be the best guide but it gives you the basics of everything quite simply! I ramble a bit i know but a friend on another forum has already found it quite useful!

I also added a small update to encounters

Cyclone December 13th, 2014 9:00 PM

A general idea for Egg Move hunting is that if Serebii or Bulbapedia lists the Egg Move, it's possible to find it. I'm actually using these finds for moves I'm not aware of to make some edits at Bulbapedia; Tickle, for instance, wasn't found on Skitty's listings (and, subsequently, Delcatty's), so I added it. I'll have to make entries for Plusle and Minun for Charm and Fake Tears as well as they are new in OR/AS.

NEway, here are some of my known moves for catches, noting again that all Egg Moves are possible to find.

Poochyena: Astonish, Covet, Ice Fang, Me First, Play Rough (this is ace for my Prism League team if I can breed a good one), Poison Fang, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Sucker Punch, Thunder Fang, Yawn (currently training a second Thunder Fang, one untouched, have an extra Poison Fang)

Ralts: Confuse Ray, Disable, Encore, Grudge, Shadow Sneak, Synchronoise

Skitty: Cosmic Power, Last Resort, Sucker Punch, Tickle, Uproar, Zen Headbutt

Plusle/Minun (all are Minun catches except where noted): Charm (ORAS only; this is my Lv.16 Plusle), Discharge, Fake Tears (ORAS only), Lucky Chant, Sing (I have both Plusle and Minun for this), Sweet Kiss, Wish; I note regarding my Lv.16 Plusle that it's caught in Omega Ruby through chaining, just like other strong Pokémon appear in chains, but they go to Lv.16 instead of Lv.23 since chain finds like this generally gain ten levels in that area (13-23, 11-21, 6-16)

Taillow: Boomburst, Mirror Move, Refresh, Sky Attack, Supersonic (I have an extra Refresh one that I decided to use as mine, which can be useful if poisoned, but useless against something with Static or the ability to paralyze as it'll just happen again)

Abra: Barrier, Encore, Fire Punch, Guard Split, Guard Swap; the trivial bit here is that it's the only known move (as Teleport is completely replaced), which can still make catching extremely difficult in some cases; I had Struggle being used by the Encore Abra

Wingull: Gust, Mist, Twister, Wide Guard

Surskit: Endure, Fell Stinger, Foresight, Hydro Pump

Zigzagoon: Charm, Rock Climb, Sleep Talk

Nincada: Bug Bite, Night Slash, Silver Wind

Seedot: Beat Up, Power Swap

Whismur: Smelling Salts (normally requires chaining, so a nice find), Take Down

Single catches include a Charm Shroomish that I used to Dex it (will hunt for it later, was heading to Dewford at the time), a Crush Claw Slakoth, an Acid Armor Gulpin, and a Flame Burst Electrike. I also battled and caught a Lv.23 Oddish, but a Lv.23 Electrike and Lv.23 Minun were issuing OHKOs at leisure, leaving me no chance to catch them and forcing me to run away. Minun also has been coming up the most on Route 110 at random; I'm going to concentrate on others in the future instead of doing random as I have all of their Egg Moves already between my Minun and the Lv.16 Plusle with Charm. Interestingly, Search Lvels go up big time with hordes; I've used Sweet Scent quite a bit on Route 110; I'm now Lv.145 on Magnemite with only one catch, and Lv.119 with Minun.

Off to look for a nice Egg Move Magnemite at Lv.6 now.

EDIT: More research. You do NOT have to chain to get maximum potential. I was doing random grass battles and a Minun appeared, so I exited and crept around. Search Level 122, no chain, and I had at least 4 perfect IVs for a catch.

EDIT: You don't have to chain for HAs either. A random Minun (it's my highest that appears without DexNav's prompting, hence why always Minun) came up with Volt Absorb at Lv.11 and no potential. I wonder if chaining is needed to get both HA and 31s at once.

ben96atkinson December 14th, 2014 3:23 AM

So I am trying my very hardest to chain a shiny Ralts, for a Gallade and Gardevoir team, but I keep failing my chain at around 15-20 every time! ;-; I either accidentally move the analog stick slightly to far and it causes me to walk to fast... or when creeping extremely slow, sometimes when I stop, the DexNav tells me, It ran away! And it's getting real annoying... Any ideas?

Frostinite December 14th, 2014 6:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclone (Post 8532060)
A general idea for Egg Move hunting is that if Serebii or Bulbapedia lists the Egg Move, it's possible to find it. I'm actually using these finds for moves I'm not aware of to make some edits at Bulbapedia; Tickle, for instance, wasn't found on Skitty's listings (and, subsequently, Delcatty's), so I added it. I'll have to make entries for Plusle and Minun for Charm and Fake Tears as well as they are new in OR/AS.

NEway, here are some of my known moves for catches, noting again that all Egg Moves are possible to find.

Spoiler:
Poochyena: Astonish, Covet, Ice Fang, Me First, Play Rough (this is ace for my Prism League team if I can breed a good one), Poison Fang, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Sucker Punch, Thunder Fang, Yawn (currently training a second Thunder Fang, one untouched, have an extra Poison Fang)

Ralts: Confuse Ray, Disable, Encore, Grudge, Shadow Sneak, Synchronoise

Skitty: Cosmic Power, Last Resort, Sucker Punch, Tickle, Uproar, Zen Headbutt

Plusle/Minun (all are Minun catches except where noted): Charm (ORAS only; this is my Lv.16 Plusle), Discharge, Fake Tears (ORAS only), Lucky Chant, Sing (I have both Plusle and Minun for this), Sweet Kiss, Wish; I note regarding my Lv.16 Plusle that it's caught in Omega Ruby through chaining, just like other strong Pokémon appear in chains, but they go to Lv.16 instead of Lv.23 since chain finds like this generally gain ten levels in that area (13-23, 11-21, 6-16)

Taillow: Boomburst, Mirror Move, Refresh, Sky Attack, Supersonic (I have an extra Refresh one that I decided to use as mine, which can be useful if poisoned, but useless against something with Static or the ability to paralyze as it'll just happen again)

Abra: Barrier, Encore, Fire Punch, Guard Split, Guard Swap; the trivial bit here is that it's the only known move (as Teleport is completely replaced), which can still make catching extremely difficult in some cases; I had Struggle being used by the Encore Abra

Wingull: Gust, Mist, Twister, Wide Guard

Surskit: Endure, Fell Stinger, Foresight, Hydro Pump

Zigzagoon: Charm, Rock Climb, Sleep Talk

Nincada: Bug Bite, Night Slash, Silver Wind

Seedot: Beat Up, Power Swap

Whismur: Smelling Salts (normally requires chaining, so a nice find), Take Down

Single catches include a Charm Shroomish that I used to Dex it (will hunt for it later, was heading to Dewford at the time), a Crush Claw Slakoth, an Acid Armor Gulpin, and a Flame Burst Electrike. I also battled and caught a Lv.23 Oddish, but a Lv.23 Electrike and Lv.23 Minun were issuing OHKOs at leisure, leaving me no chance to catch them and forcing me to run away. Minun also has been coming up the most on Route 110 at random; I'm going to concentrate on others in the future instead of doing random as I have all of their Egg Moves already between my Minun and the Lv.16 Plusle with Charm. Interestingly, Search Lvels go up big time with hordes; I've used Sweet Scent quite a bit on Route 110; I'm now Lv.145 on Magnemite with only one catch, and Lv.119 with Minun.

Off to look for a nice Egg Move Magnemite at Lv.6 now.

EDIT: More research. You do NOT have to chain to get maximum potential. I was doing random grass battles and a Minun appeared, so I exited and crept around. Search Level 122, no chain, and I had at least 4 perfect IVs for a catch.

EDIT: You don't have to chain for HAs either. A random Minun (it's my highest that appears without DexNav's prompting, hence why always Minun) came up with Volt Absorb at Lv.11 and no potential. I wonder if chaining is needed to get both HA and 31s at once.



Well generally Serebii and Bulbi have the most up-to date information before anyone else so it is generally no surprise, in regards to your response with all of these eggs moves - i will do a large scale update to this Guide as in change the whole layout and i will include All Egg moves currently found for everyone to see. All the ones that have been confirmed that is. Although from your listing and i apologise i only had a quick read as i'm actually in work. I did notice certain aspects missing like for example, Poochyena also has Fire Fang. Ralts on the other learns alot more although it's vague as it's by memory what i have encountered until i get home. One sure move i remember would be Destiny Bond, Misty Terrain and Momento.

I will continue to encounter more pokemon starting from the first route and work my way around chain as many as possible and make a listing. But this will also be something that will gradually update.
So feel free to post your encounters as you find them
In response to your edits i never said chaining was crucial for those elements only that they helped. For potential or any other factor is relient on the Search level. Although what you find is still randomly generate by the game.

As i said i will revamp the Guide to make it easier to follow and navigate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben96atkinson (Post 8532236)
So I am trying my very hardest to chain a shiny Ralts, for a Gallade and Gardevoir team, but I keep failing my chain at around 15-20 every time! ;-; I either accidentally move the analog stick slightly to far and it causes me to walk to fast... or when creeping extremely slow, sometimes when I stop, the DexNav tells me, It ran away! And it's getting real annoying... Any ideas?

It just takes practice with the analog stick, everyone makes mistakes just got to keep at it! Thats why i say Patience is probably a key factor!
You can actually walk up to the pokemon if you know were it is up to 4-5 steps away. But from there you have to sneak. And if it runs before you encounter it you shouldn't worry i found that your chain does not break if this happens.
Just encounter it again and if the level is still the increased amount for the chain then your fine!

Cyclone December 14th, 2014 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frostinite (Post 8532324)
[/SPOILER]Well generally Serebii and Bulbi have the most up-to date information before anyone else so it is generally no surprise, in regards to your response with all of these eggs moves - i will do a large scale update to this Guide as in change the whole layout and i will include All Egg moves currently found for everyone to see. All the ones that have been confirmed that is. Although from your listing and i apologise i only had a quick read as i'm actually in work. I did notice certain aspects missing like for example, Poochyena also has Fire Fang. Ralts on the other learns alot more although it's vague as it's by memory what i have encountered until i get home. One sure move i remember would be Destiny Bond, Misty Terrain and Momento.

Indeed. You're correct on all of those. I've only listed anything I've CAUGHT.

In fact, I recently found the breed6 template over at Bulbapedia (just today in fact, it went live last month), so I'm starting to change the breeding templates over to that. Just did that for Minun, in fact (waiting for help getting a tag working for ORAS labels on Fake Tears and Charm), and just completed an edit for the five Taillow I have. There are, as you said, numerous other moves listed, but I'm only going to edit for data I can personally confirm, not blanket edit everything. As such, I only listed here what I've caught, not everything that CAN be caught. About to edit for Abra, Ralts (ironically), Skitty, and Poochyena, then I'll move on in my game and get to Mauville since most of my 'Mons are now Lv.18 and so that I can get more research on Route 117's species to be found. I'm eager to be able to Surf (think I have to beat Norman, right?) so I can also clear a Gen. VI Unown on my Dex and copy that to X toi give it the hexagon.

And yes, speaking of Ralts, I have a Ralts from Wonder Trade with four Egg Moves attached. These include Memento and Destiny Bond. I have not touched this Ralts as yet (it was received in X before ORAS released).

ben96atkinson December 15th, 2014 9:49 AM

Chain keeps getting broken, so annoying!
 
So I'm trying my real best at chaining a shiny Ralts, but when I try to approach a Ralts at a chain of around 10 - 15 when I'm approaching Ralts my bottom screen says 'It Ran Away!', and no, I didn't accidentally walk fast! It's bugging me as I want a shiny Ralts bad...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 15th, 2014 10:31 AM

So you can chain using the Pokénav? I had an idea but wasn't sure if it was possible.
Do Pokémon abilities help keep chains longer though like they do with Fishing chains (such as Suction Cups).

ben96atkinson December 15th, 2014 2:52 PM

I found a fix, putting blu-tac in the analog stick area so that the analog stick only goes as far as creeping goes at nearly fastest speed! Takes a lot of adjusting - but it's well worth it!

Gardevoir the Dragon Slayer December 15th, 2014 3:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben96atkinson (Post 8534009)
I found a fix, putting blu-tac in the analog stick area so that the analog stick only goes as far as creeping goes at nearly fastest speed! Takes a lot of adjusting - but it's well worth it!

Blu-tac to the rescue again, seriously that's a pretty neat trick, I will try that if I use the Dex nav thanks.

Frostinite December 15th, 2014 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclone (Post 8532602)
Indeed. You're correct on all of those. I've only listed anything I've CAUGHT.

In fact, I recently found the breed6 template over at Bulbapedia (just today in fact, it went live last month), so I'm starting to change the breeding templates over to that. Just did that for Minun, in fact (waiting for help getting a tag working for ORAS labels on Fake Tears and Charm), and just completed an edit for the five Taillow I have. There are, as you said, numerous other moves listed, but I'm only going to edit for data I can personally confirm, not blanket edit everything. As such, I only listed here what I've caught, not everything that CAN be caught. About to edit for Abra, Ralts (ironically), Skitty, and Poochyena, then I'll move on in my game and get to Mauville since most of my 'Mons are now Lv.18 and so that I can get more research on Route 117's species to be found. I'm eager to be able to Surf (think I have to beat Norman, right?) so I can also clear a Gen. VI Unown on my Dex and copy that to X toi give it the hexagon.

And yes, speaking of Ralts, I have a Ralts from Wonder Trade with four Egg Moves attached. These include Memento and Destiny Bond. I have not touched this Ralts as yet (it was received in X before ORAS released).

4 egg moves? Lucky! I don't get much from Wondertrade!
Yeah you have to beat norman to get surf!

I'd love to see shiny pokemon that people have found via this method and how potentially awesome they are with egg moves and IV's and such so list them if you have them!

destinedjagold December 15th, 2014 6:09 PM

So I've tried this method earlier while I was on the bus heading to work, and I can confirm that...
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this extra level rise is a great way for you to keep count on your chain.
...is true. ^^

I'm going to try this method properly on the weekend!

Thanks for this post, btw~ ;)

Cyclone December 15th, 2014 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frostinite (Post 8534268)
4 egg moves? Lucky! I don't get much from Wondertrade!
Yeah you have to beat norman to get surf!

I'd love to see shiny pokemon that people have found via this method and how potentially awesome they are with egg moves and IV's and such so list them if you have them!

I got a Shiny Growlithe once. I have another from WT, I think a Solosis. I don't think I've properly scanned either and they're in the five or so boxes I have for organizing Shinies (not completely full, but for organizing).

These were on X BTW and are in the PokéBank on the smaller system. I'm going to eventually import a future shop over using Y, which is basically a storage and cloning game.

Also, I've done over 1,000 WTs. So you do get good stuff from time to time. I have a bunch of stored 'Mons "for future review" that I need to get around to reviewing for hidden abilities and Egg Moves, but some of them may even be recycled nowe since they can be caught in OR/AS with those abilities and moves. I will likely drop a Ralts or two, for instance, but the 4EM one is staying where it is for a potential IV improving breeding project (I might change an Egg Move too, I have six on standby from OR).

ben96atkinson December 16th, 2014 1:45 AM

I thought it up on a road trip - is there anything blu-tac can't do!? Not actually tried it but I don't see why it wouldn't work, so I'm gunna try it today and let you all know!

CuteLittleBlack December 16th, 2014 3:36 AM

I'm confused about something..
While chanining, I've had these two problems; The pokemon I was chaining couldn't be found in the area and it ran away before I could reach it, and with both all the levels have been reset. Does this mean the chains have been broken?

Frostinite December 16th, 2014 4:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteLittleBlack (Post 8534685)
I'm confused about something..
While chanining, I've had these two problems; The pokemon I was chaining couldn't be found in the area and it ran away before I could reach it, and with both all the levels have been reset. Does this mean the chains have been broken?

As i say these methods are speculative and honestly that's not happened to me before. Are you following each step as to not break your chain?
What is it you exactly did and what route were you on? I'll try to replicate your scenario on my game and see if the same thing happens.
Cause honestly not finding the pokemon should never break your chain.

CuteLittleBlack December 16th, 2014 4:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Frostinite (Post 8534714)
As i say these methods are speculative and honestly that's not happened to me before. Are you following each step as to not break your chain?
What is it you exactly did and what route were you on? I'll try to replicate your scenario on my game and see if the same thing happens.
Cause honestly not finding the pokemon should never break your chain.

Route 102, the first one after Littleroot, I'm trying to chain a Poochyena. I know one thing.. That boy that is walking around the grass, if he steps on the pokemon your chaining, your chain breaks. And yes I've followed every step. But sometimes after I search the pokemon ran away before I could even take one step in its direction :( My search level still says 102 but the levels go back to level 2 or 3 each time.

Frostinite December 16th, 2014 4:32 AM

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Originally Posted by destinedjagold (Post 8534278)
So I've tried this method earlier while I was on the bus heading to work, and I can confirm that...

...is true. ^^

I'm going to try this method properly on the weekend!

Thanks for this post, btw~ ;)

Your welcome! glad theres starting to become some confirmation to this!
Let me know of your findings!
I'd this post to stay active so it doesn't fall down into the deep of the forum! I'd like new members and players to see this!

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Originally Posted by Cyclone (Post 8534308)
I got a Shiny Growlithe once. I have another from WT, I think a Solosis. I don't think I've properly scanned either and they're in the five or so boxes I have for organizing Shinies (not completely full, but for organizing).

These were on X BTW and are in the PokéBank on the smaller system. I'm going to eventually import a future shop over using Y, which is basically a storage and cloning game.

Also, I've done over 1,000 WTs. So you do get good stuff from time to time. I have a bunch of stored 'Mons "for future review" that I need to get around to reviewing for hidden abilities and Egg Moves, but some of them may even be recycled nowe since they can be caught in OR/AS with those abilities and moves. I will likely drop a Ralts or two, for instance, but the 4EM one is staying where it is for a potential IV improving breeding project (I might change an Egg Move too, I have six on standby from OR).

Awh man. I want a growlithe as well i reset my game only the other day and im at fortree city. But i want a growlithe because a fire type is always desirable and Arcanine is one of my fav's.
Lucky on shiny it's golden right?

I'd like to see your shop once you get it up and running might even do business with you myself! :]
I'm just flicking through my game so i can start Filling the Dex up!
Then ill shiny hunt everything!

Sorry for the double post! I'm so tired i didnt see the other replies!

dea7th December 16th, 2014 6:16 AM

There is no chaining in pokemon Omega ruby or Saphire.

Show me evidence, A screen cap of diolgue. Showing proof that the catch system was carried over from X and Y when Dexnav is it's own seperate thing.

If anything, Using the Dexnav in general would increase rate of shinies.

And as for *chaining* for stronger pokemon. That's not how it works.

I can't believe no ones mentioned this but. You could always run through the grass, Individual encounters reguardless of sneaking up on them COUNT towards the Dexnav level.

The higher the Dex nav level, the Higher the chance of 3 potencial pokes dropping.

Using the Dex nav in general will give chance to shines. However, Leveling up the Dex nav does not increase shiny rate. Nore does *chaining* in fact chaining does not exist at all on O-ruby or A-Saphire. Again, show me a screen crap that even remotely suggests it?

Pretty sure the opposite is stated. As in, If you don't see the stats you like... You don't have to engage it.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DEXNAV. iv been playing for a few days and it's not hard to notice the trend here.

At lvl 1 i was struggin to see even 1 star or even the rare 2 star. At search lvls of 300-400 i am finding 2 stars commonly and 3 stars moderatly. As the level climbs so does the degree in which more 3 potencials can be found.

It is from these triple potencial pokes you will find the shiny you want.

You could in theory get a shiny from any pokemon regardless of potencial through the method of sneaking up on them. Sneaking up on pokemon increases the likely hood of it being a shiny. So logically, If you farm only pure stat pokemon. Then the *chaining* has already comenced. The chain is only broken when you decide to stop looking. And the chain begins again when you start looking. Tho the chain isn't real and has absolutely no baring on gameplay what so ever.

Even encountering high I.Vs. Does not apply to these versions. You simply judge the status of the IVs from the potencial of the pokemon. That's it. It's really that simple.

Also, Just because everyone says that 3 potencial means 3 stats are 31 maxed. They are wrong and are assuming off everyone else. it is just as possible to get 4 IVs or 5 IVs or even a perfect pokemon from the 3 IVs.

All 3 IVs will have an exclaimation mark beside it. So... It's not like some do and some don't ALL 3s have them. So it's likely the majority have 3+ maxed stats.

However, you could in theory flee pokes till you get the tripple stars thing and your shiny rate would be similar to *chaining*. As it is only dependant on the dexnavs (Base) shiny ammount. It does not raise or decrease with search level.

Search level only deals with pokemon stats ect.

Now. Shiny pokemon USUALLY have 3 or more maxed stats.

SO. in obviousness. I would like to say that farming tripple potencial pokes increases the shiny encounter rate but i don't think it does.

The only way i could see if it does is if all shinies had 3 31maxed stats which they don't some shinies really such. Hense why they even appear on lower potencials.

I suggest if you are looking for a shiny, any shiny. That encountering *Any* pokemon well sneaking up will increase shiny rate. But it is a fixed rate increase for pokenav and that's all.

However as i mentioned. Farming tripple star pokemon increases the likelyhood of the shiny being very powerful.

Which really makes chaining obsolete. As the exclaimation marks when sneaking or on the physical dexnav ping itself will show you if the next pokemon is strong or not.

I believe chaining pokemon is a waste of time. Which is problem why this Dexnav system was implimented instead. Because it cuts farming time dirastically so that players can prepare a team for competitive edge. And now friend safari has been brought to the main world sort of by implanting that shiny rate on the dexnav instead.

i regret informing the ignorant masses of my wisdom because we may see more shines now with people changing the pace of how they farm... From slug like killing every monster and worrying about orwellian facists rules that track your every move ect well counting and trying to cut you off or something like the game has a preplanned agenda to hinder the players quest in finding the most powerful and collectable pokemon?

I don't think so.

X.Y Daimond ect. All stated in the game that finding the shaking bushes adds unto a multiplier.

Now the multiplier has a fixed ammount.

Since stats can be farmed.

Why the hell would game freak impliment 2 catch formulas ontop of Each other?

It does not make sense.

You either, Refine stats and pokemon abilities/Levels.

Or you play X and Y for the multiplier bonus from pokeradar.

Dex nav is not pokeradar. The 2 of them do not operate the same way and i am tired of all the Disinfo that is literally plaguing Google with this *Chaining* nonsense.

I think who every stated this first had an alterior motive to hinder the possiblities of powerful shinies coming out. Since noobs would catch any shiny as long as they believe their chaining worked.

Even if the shiny only has one potencial, withone max stat. That way the people who actually KNOW how to farm good pokes will be the top players. Picking off noobs who are essencially, Snail racers.

Frostinite December 16th, 2014 6:58 AM

Spoiler:
Quote:

Originally Posted by dea7th (Post 8534781)
There is no chaining in pokemon Omega ruby or Saphire.

Show me evidence, A screen cap of diolgue. Showing proof that the catch system was carried over from X and Y when Dexnav is it's own seperate thing.

If anything, Using the Dexnav in general would increase rate of shinies.

And as for *chaining* for stronger pokemon. That's not how it works.

I can't believe no ones mentioned this but. You could always run through the grass, Individual encounters reguardless of sneaking up on them COUNT towards the Dexnav level.

The higher the Dex nav level, the Higher the chance of 3 potencial pokes dropping.

Using the Dex nav in general will give chance to shines. However, Leveling up the Dex nav does not increase shiny rate. Nore does *chaining* in fact chaining does not exist at all on O-ruby or A-Saphire. Again, show me a screen crap that even remotely suggests it?

Pretty sure the opposite is stated. As in, If you don't see the stats you like... You don't have to engage it.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DEXNAV. iv been playing for a few days and it's not hard to notice the trend here.

At lvl 1 i was struggin to see even 1 star or even the rare 2 star. At search lvls of 300-400 i am finding 2 stars commonly and 3 stars moderatly. As the level climbs so does the degree in which more 3 potencials can be found.

It is from these triple potencial pokes you will find the shiny you want.

You could in theory get a shiny from any pokemon regardless of potencial through the method of sneaking up on them. Sneaking up on pokemon increases the likely hood of it being a shiny. So logically, If you farm only pure stat pokemon. Then the *chaining* has already comenced. The chain is only broken when you decide to stop looking. And the chain begins again when you start looking. Tho the chain isn't real and has absolutely no baring on gameplay what so ever.

Even encountering high I.Vs. Does not apply to these versions. You simply judge the status of the IVs from the potencial of the pokemon. That's it. It's really that simple.

Also, Just because everyone says that 3 potencial means 3 stats are 31 maxed. They are wrong and are assuming off everyone else. it is just as possible to get 4 IVs or 5 IVs or even a perfect pokemon from the 3 IVs.

All 3 IVs will have an exclaimation mark beside it. So... It's not like some do and some don't ALL 3s have them. So it's likely the majority have 3+ maxed stats.

However, you could in theory flee pokes till you get the tripple stars thing and your shiny rate would be similar to *chaining*. As it is only dependant on the dexnavs (Base) shiny ammount. It does not raise or decrease with search level.

Search level only deals with pokemon stats ect.

Now. Shiny pokemon USUALLY have 3 or more maxed stats.

SO. in obviousness. I would like to say that farming tripple potencial pokes increases the shiny encounter rate but i don't think it does.

The only way i could see if it does is if all shinies had 3 31maxed stats which they don't some shinies really such. Hense why they even appear on lower potencials.

I suggest if you are looking for a shiny, any shiny. That encountering *Any* pokemon well sneaking up will increase shiny rate. But it is a fixed rate increase for pokenav and that's all.

However as i mentioned. Farming tripple star pokemon increases the likelyhood of the shiny being very powerful.

Which really makes chaining obsolete. As the exclaimation marks when sneaking or on the physical dexnav ping itself will show you if the next pokemon is strong or not.

I believe chaining pokemon is a waste of time. Which is problem why this Dexnav system was implimented instead. Because it cuts farming time dirastically so that players can prepare a team for competitive edge. And now friend safari has been brought to the main world sort of by implanting that shiny rate on the dexnav instead.



Haha i do believe i never once stated that this was an *OFFICIAL* method which had been solidly *PROVEN* Even in the video i state that it's what i found works for me and has worked for others.
I'm open to critisizm as that leads to changing tactics and exploration of new ideas and methods.

There are also alot of Videos on youtube for example like this one here. That show someone doing kind of what i described.

Spoiler:


He uses the dexnav to chain through Skarmory and at 25 he finds one. If this method was on serebii i doubt you'd have a problem with it. So this video more or less does validate the method. as he catchs lots more through other videos. And chain fishing was also implemented.
I'd like you to provide proof that there has been validation that chaining is not present in the games.

This whole guide as stated is a Work in Progress because there isn't alot of info out there yet.
And Anyway if it works for people then who cares?

As for (I can't believe no ones mentioned this but. You could always run through the grass, Individual encounters reguardless of sneaking up on them COUNT towards the Dexnav level.) This is actually really really really obvious. Anyone whose played through more than a few hours would know this so it's kind of implied and i mention it in my video. and most of your reply seems to be based on this factor. And none of your sentiment has any validation either.

True the potential does obviously imply a stronger pokemon. My method has worked for people. and if they only encountered pokemon with 3+ stars then that would be a huge increase in time searching and the possibility to miss a shiny encounter would also increase.
I mean by all means i will try only encountering 3 star pokemon. But your method emplores a lot more time.

If you could post evidence about your method as well that would be great because generally this thread was to show people what some of us use. This guide was never stated as official.

( And i note i did make the mistake in my video of saying the search level was infact was important to finding shinies but i know it is not. so i agree with the whole it only improves stats)
But heck! Even that statement could be wrong!
The search level could infact matter!
Having your search level at set points could increase shiny encounters drastically!

The fact of the matter is we simply do not know what the actually method is yet!
So saying chaining is none existant (Especially when Chain Fishing is an element that was dropped down from the games I'll find the validation on this later as i'm in work) is wrong, because it may well be!

At the end of the day if this works for some people then great i'm happy!
If not tell me what went wrong i'll investigate and work on it to see what the problem was and make updates!

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Originally Posted by dea7th (Post 8534790)
i regret informing the ignorant masses of my wisdom because we may see more shines now with people changing the pace of how they farm... From slug like killing every monster and worrying about orwellian facists rules that track your every move ect well counting and trying to cut you off or something like the game has a preplanned agenda to hinder the players quest in finding the most powerful and collectable pokemon?

I don't think so.

I think you need to relax friend ! I'm not a fan of the pompous attitude and i'm sure that *The Masses* don't like being called Ignorant. So tone that down a bit.

The slug like farming is just one method if it isn't for you do not use it. But others who like that form can do so and shouldn't be criticized for such.
Simply boils down to if you don't like it don't play! So have a nice day :D

And i think for the most part people enjoy just Finding a shiny. Not everyone wants their competitive team to be all shinies. I mean thats desirable. But the thrill of just finding one is enough.
So if this method works for them then fantastic.

But and this is the last thing i will say in response.

I DO NOT OR WILL NOT CLERIFY THIS AS A VERIFIED METHOD.
All of my statements are purely speculative to what found me shiny pokemon.
Until validation comes through of the actual method then this will stand in my eyes.

Dex nav is not pokeradar. The 2 of them do not operate the same way and i am tired of all the Disinfo that is literally plaguing Google with this *Chaining* nonsense?

Again provide viable information as you asked for videos screencaps all of such stating legitimately that this method is wrong and chaining does not exist.

Until then! Everyone else i'll continue to update with more findings and i will reiterate this guide later tonight to avoid further confusion.

I don't know weather this will help you or not but i posted a guide not so long ago.
You should check it out.
I've not had that problem before. The only issue for me was when ralts got to a stage were i couldnt KO it in one hit (Back when i was in the 30's to 40's)
Because of the level increase in chaining sometimes it manages to use teleport.
Which breaks my chain.

Although my chain never resets if it manages to get away before hand.
You should avoid the area were the kid is walking around. If he goes near it it will run. So stick to the area im at in my video. I got my ralts at chain 90 something.
I'll try chaining him again.
What is it you actually did as the chain broke? Can you back track so i can retrace your steps?

dea7th December 16th, 2014 9:44 AM

i'm not taking my agression out on you sir :)

But i have been researching this to really figure it out.

And from other tests from Users, Saw a post where a group of people tried to chaining/vs encounter methods and they saw no consistancy in shiny drops from chaining.

I wanted to search farther because i know that this is how the last game operated in a way ( not exactly it just relied on encountering the shaking bushes and avoiding pokes to form a chain in X and Y)

But in O-Ruby and A-Saphire, They multiplier isn't there. The system is different. It tells you its different, its a window shop basically.

You scan through to find the pokes you want with the abilities you want and you look for max stats.

If your search lvl is very high then these awesome pokes will be appearing like crazy.
At that point, When a shiny does drop, theres a better chance it will be good.

As far as iv been reading the drop rate may be between 1-1150.

Which is a reduced drop rate from the original 8400 w.e from 4300 to what it is when you use the dex nav which is signifigantly less than what second gen was demanding as far as shiny drop rates go.

There's so much speculation on there it's hard sifting through the player theories.

I can't find the source but im sure if you looked around you could find it, its somewhere on reddit.

What i was saying prior tho is there is no official statements anywhere that say that chaining is occuring in the O-Ruby.

If it works for you awesome :D

I was reading around tho that the drop rate might be similar to friend safarie. SO maybe 1-600? or something? Im pretty sure it would be 1150 carried over from the other games like daimond. I'm not sure if the shiny rate was even 1-600 lol.

This is a fairly new game so if these player theories are wrong, It won't be to hard for the wikis to edit out some mistakes.

But what reason would there be for the drop rate to drop so low? is it 1-300 After *Chaining?*

And does the dex nav effect shiny catch rate per pecent of the pokes you are catching?

I donno about that, Seems a little to difficult to keep track of every pokemon and adjust a shiny rate just for that one pokemon because you decided you wanted it.

The shiny rate applies to the whole Area. How can farming one pokemon adjust it? When an area can have said ammount of pokes living there? Did game freak add a whole culdron of coding to make it happen?

It just seems a little excessive and generious if you ask me.

According to current claims if done correctly you get an added 25% bonus to shiny catch rate.

If the dex nav isn't improving the catch rate of all pokemon there. Then there can only be a maximum of 25%. Which means the original what ? 8200 gets cut to be like 5600? or something. That's still a huge number. Even at 4200=1/4 That would be 1050.

With the maximum potencial given by *chaining* Now if people think that chaining gives this bonus by itself.

Tho the wiki contradicts itself. It states as of X/Y rate has dropped to 1/4056

When it speaks about other methods which include the new generations it brings up the 8192 number in the calculation. As if the reduced rate didn't matter?

Nintendo is just the publisher, Gamefreak are the ones who make the name and they rarely talk about the mechanics.

I would just like to see an official statment or w.e that proves that this method is actually applied to O-Ruby because otherwise it may seem like a good idea and works for you but for me and everyone else. If this thing dosn't even exist, Then it's just wasting our time.

Still cool to think of methods of catching shinies but i think this time it might be a little to tedious. And stacking on shiny catch rates? I donno about that. Seems a little excessive to have the dexnav and chaining stacking shiny catch rate along with that shiny item or w.e it wouldn't even be a challenge.

I think the Dexnav does reduce the rate considerably by itself. But i'm not sure if gamefreak would put something that can be exploited so badly like this. I agree the catchrate is a lot better than it was in previous generations.

The Dexnav Works in water tho, So if you tried the fishing method. Which probably does exist to some extent in the game. Then yes it will work. There are deepools you have to do the fishing in tho. So you would need surf. That's where the pokenav works on water.

BUT i wouldn't be surprised if gamefreak did up the shiny rate for fishing in the same spot.

They are that hilarious to put something like that in.

try this, Run in the a patch of grass for the pokemon you want. Encounter all the ones you can there and raise your level. Then when you sneak up on them, they will have a higher ratio of being stronger. If you don't see the hidden pokemon has any stars chase it away. The bike is really useful for this. Its easy to dismount near the pokemon and creep up to check on it. if you are just looking for any shiny. you can begin encountering hidden pokemon right away and your chance will be just as good as if you were sitting there farming the whole day.

Some things might increase the rate by increasing the rate of pokemon. Abilities like illuminate would be good for this. There are other abilities that increase the availability of stronger pokemon. So if you want a strong shiny that would be a good suggestion.

The Encounter O-Power. But really it's all based on luck.
You could meet one in 40 sneaks you could meet one in 500 you could meet one in 1000.

Some people have not even got a shiny because of this even using some of the methods but the general idea is, With the already present shiny bonus that pokenav does give, you should beable to cycle through pokemon realitively quickly.

And i don't think you have to hit each and every one of them.
You can flee and fleeing should increase your chance.

If this shiny bonus of 25% is applied ontop of it because of chaining then we should be seeing consistant data showing that people are spawning shinies left and right but most people who are not catching shinies are not even posting.

This game has sold millions of copies so far so the people who got shiny from being lucky might be skewing the data. Because the people who arnt catching any most would be to lazy or don't speak english, No motivation to post on here but they would be on their chinese/japanese sites.

Z25 December 16th, 2014 10:21 AM

Not sure if the method works but i caught a shiny seedot with bullet seed, pickpocket, and 3ivs at a chain of 218. Pretth high so i may try this out later and see if i can get another shiny at an earlier chain.

Cyclone December 17th, 2014 9:14 AM

dea7th:

Unfortunately, your post is too long and is written in a style that I got bored several sentences in knowing I'd have to read five posts (now two full posts) like it. However, I've read the first bit of the first and will reply to that. If any of what remains is of importance I will be happy to discuss it.

I have already confirmed myself that it's not necessary to chain for high-IV Pokémon. This is a new element that I believe X/Y did not have, and I have confirmed capturing a minimum-4IV Magnemite and a minimum-4IV Minun on the first encounter on a Route at one time (both on Route 110). You just have to have a high search level. Hidden Abilities operate the same way. Bonus higher-leveled? I think they do too, but I didn't keep proper track of this one.

As for Shinies, I will assume the chain element is still involved, but otherwise unless someone wants to get a 200+ search level and then come and go from a Route until they get something on a first try (or even the first few tries), it's otherwise harder to prove. It should be noted that using Sweet Scent on hordes increases the search level quickly; at one point, I'd caught a single Magnemite (I have now caught three, the third being the high-potential, but have stopped due to no Egg Moves), but while trying to land a Plusle to go with Minun I found a bunch of both Minun and Magnemite hordes. Those search levels quickly shot over 100. Hordes are therefore perfect for testing after encountering and running away from a number of them.

I wonder, BTW, if GF did this to stop the spread of hacked 6IV Ditto that look legitimate, and to possibly allow them to be Shiny. Interesting...and probably smart. (EDIT: That is, if they were found in the wild in OR/AS, which so far they appear not to be.)

Sheep December 17th, 2014 9:25 AM

Guys, just a reminder that we don't permit double posting, or posting more than once in a row, here on PC. If you have more information to add just edit your latest post if no one has posted after you or use the multi-quote button to quote multiple people.

Just merged all the double posts together! Be sure to keep this in mind next time; we really don't want to start issuing official warnings or infractions for this sort of thing.

Cheers and enjoy discussing the awesomeness that is the DexNav. :)

MrRaptorTurtle December 17th, 2014 11:28 AM

Just a word of warning for anyone doing this:
DO NOT bring a Pokemon with you that hasn't reached it's final evolution yet, it breaks your chain!
I was chaining for a shiny Ralts on Route 102 earlier, got up to a chain of 100 and my swellow evolved, and my chain broke.

Cyclone December 17th, 2014 3:05 PM

I can now officially confirm that higher levels are not part of battle chaining. I rejected four consecutive finds (actually, my down on the circle pad stuck on the fourth, but same result) and the fifth one up was Lv.23 instead of Lv.13. As it was a Zigzagoon, I also rejected it as I had one with the move already, and am currently using another as a TM slave (Rock Climb and Cut thus far). It seems you DO need to see four before the higher levels come up, unlike the other discoveries, but you DON'T have to battle them, just scare them off.

Shinies I am sure would need a chain.

That makes three things I can personally confirm are not necessarily to have endless battles for:
- Huge numbers of perfect IVs
- Egg Moves
- +5/+10/more in levels (depending on Route)

Happy hunting.

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Originally Posted by MrRaptorTurtle (Post 8536342)
Just a word of warning for anyone doing this:
DO NOT bring a Pokemon with you that hasn't reached it's final evolution yet, it breaks your chain!
I was chaining for a shiny Ralts on Route 102 earlier, got up to a chain of 100 and my swellow evolved, and my chain broke.

The better advice is to hand it an Everstone. They can be freely nabbed in Reflection Cave and traded over from X/Y; Roggenrola carry them around, and Compound Eyes on a leader (such as on a Butterfree, which can also know Thief) increases it to a 20% chance.

Just watch for the hordes, they're a pain and you only get one shot unless you Thief one with empty hands.

HairyLoco December 19th, 2014 12:47 AM

So, what exactly is the difference between Search Level and Chaining?

Do you get a higher chance for shinies the higher your chain is ?
Do you get a higher chance for hidden abilities/perfect IV's etc the higher your Search Level is?

Migit78 December 19th, 2014 2:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dea7th (Post 8534781)
There is no chaining in pokemon Omega ruby or Saphire.

Sorry to point it out, but that's wrong.

There may be no "Shiny" chaining, as you later mention, as its not really proven, but this method does seem to work for most people.

But chaining definitely exists, using the dexnav to continuously search the one area for pokemon after pokemon creates a chain and its shown in the 5 pokemon boosted level, then up one level for the next 5.
Even if you are correct in shiny chances aren't increase, level chaining is definitely a thing,
I have a friend who caught a level 67 Zangoose for the hell of it, after chaining. And seeing as they can normally only be found at level 14.
That's enough indication for me that chaining exists to some extent.

As for doing this method personally, i normally get bored and give up on the shiny by a chain of 20, but its nice to catch the egg moves, high potentials and boosted level pokemon

Cyclone December 19th, 2014 11:36 AM

I will confirm that chaining is indeed a thing. I was hunting Sandshrew yesterday and got them from the Lv. 15-18 range to the point that they (and other occasional random sneakups) were appearing at Lv.24-27 on average, and with the level boost periodically up to Lv.37, one which I found with Counter and I believe has several (yet unknown) perfect IVs.

I selected a Lv.29 and a Lv.27 one, both found before this particular chain and whose IVs I now know after sending clones back to X, to sit in my team area while I determine the better one to use. I like the Lv.29 because it knows Night Slash, but the Lv.27 entry has Rock Climb, which can have usefulness later as well. Other catches will be saved to my Bank where I am saving all Egg Moves, and any IVs among them can be examined later once I have the Battle Resort open.

ALL OF THIS SAID...it is possibly to enter the Route and the first thing you sneak up on is ten levels higher than normal. That doesn't require chaining. Chains let you get them higher and higher, even for standard catches. Extremely long chains can result in you having levels in the 90s if you keep at it (I presume this can be done), and that really helps for training. Of course, it's advised to grow a bounty of Leppa Berries if you intend to have moves available to use by that time.

destinedjagold December 21st, 2014 7:44 PM

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(Update: If you Dexnav search a pokemon and it escapes before you encounter it this DOES NOT reset your chain. Just keep searching until you encounter your desired pokemon!)
From my experience, this felt like it's false, because after the Eevee I was chaining ran away (that damn youngster was blocking my way), I walked around again and waited for another tail to pop up, since the dex nav couldn't find an Eevee. The new 'mon was lv8 again. :/

bobandbill December 21st, 2014 9:12 PM

Regarding chaining for shiny Pokemon, this (smallish) sample suggests that there's no evidence that a higher chain/search level does result in a shiny Pokemon. On the flip side, dexnav in general may give a higher chance, just that it doesn't depend on chaining. People saying they encountered shinies doesn't mean there is a chaining method, but I suppose more testing needs to be done to know for sure.
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Hey all! Here is the TL;DR of the data from the doc linked above:
TL;DR -- The DexNav does not use a chaining system to increase shiny chance the way the PokeRadar did. Instead, it seems to just increase the shiny encounter rate generally, like the XY Friend Safari did. The DexNav search shiny encounter rate this data suggests is 1/308, but that rate is probably too high.
If you want to know how this was determined, read the doc in the original post!
EDIT: Just to make a couple of big things a little clearer:
The data shows that chain length DOES NOT matter -- it's a misnomer to call this "chaining" at all.
The data shows that search level DOES NOT matter, either.
The only thing that matters is using DexNav search in the first place, because it increases your shiny chance in general (the same way the Friend Safari does in XY).

morrison December 22nd, 2014 12:46 AM

I thought the stars are for poke contest potential :(

Lunarose December 22nd, 2014 8:13 PM

I've read that thing about there being no actual proof of the chaining, although there is speculation that using Dexnav in general slightly increases your chances of getting a shiny. Counting your chain apparently has no relevance to your encounter rate of a shiny Pokemon. I'm guessing the search level is only to indicate good potential, abilities, etc.

Reading that link provided above, it seems from the document that this person proved the myth wrong of shiny chaining. I just hope there can be legitimate facts in all of this because they still use words like "it seems" and "suggests" which can't mean it's 100% true.

bobandbill December 25th, 2014 3:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lunarose (Post 8543576)
I've read that thing about there being no actual proof of the chaining, although there is speculation that using Dexnav in general slightly increases your chances of getting a shiny. Counting your chain apparently has no relevance to your encounter rate of a shiny Pokemon. I'm guessing the search level is only to indicate good potential, abilities, etc.

Reading that link provided above, it seems from the document that this person proved the myth wrong of shiny chaining. I just hope there can be legitimate facts in all of this because they still use words like "it seems" and "suggests" which can't mean it's 100% true.

That's because that even with a sample, there's a (slim) chance that they were just unlucky and there really is a thing such as chaining. However, a sample of at least 70 is not a bad starting point at all, and more people contributing will add to the data.

Geoffrey December 29th, 2014 5:58 PM

Well this thread was rather disappointing.

I tried 'chaining' (or what I thought was chaining) earlier today on Vulpix, got around 50-60 deep and broke it when I startled one by coming in too fast. Got several Vulpix though that 2 potential and some hidden ability ones as well. Hopefully my Modest sync worked so I can at least get a decent Ninetales out of it or some breeding parents.

Will be watching the thread for more updates on if we do/don't have shiny or any chaining in ORAS... hopefully we do. :P

Tohos December 30th, 2014 12:34 PM

Just one question, this whole process is new to me, so if I want to capture a blue Ralts then how many chains must I do if any? Also when can I use this technique? Is it after the national pokedex or wtv it is called?

NevanPTF December 31st, 2014 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tohos (Post 8554542)
Just one question, this whole process is new to me, so if I want to capture a blue Ralts then how many chains must I do if any? Also when can I use this technique? Is it after the national pokedex or wtv it is called?

It seems the search lvl or the chains don't affect your chances to get a shiny pokemon. You just need lots of patience and some luck.

You can use it as soon you have you dex navigator.

Frostinite December 31st, 2014 7:41 PM

I apologise to all. I havent been here in over 2 weeks now. In all honesty if anyone wants a reason i have medical issues dealing with a certain something in the back of my head which i'd rather not discuss :) but thats why i've been away but i'm back so once i get a spare moment which isn't at 3 in the morning i will do a serious update to the guide because things have been proven and disproven and there have been a few new discoveries aswell!
So please all bear with me!

Cyclone January 28th, 2015 8:23 AM

Since this is dying, and almost at the point of expiry, I want to quickly chime in some information of my own.

I caught my first Shiny in OR the other day while working on the Mesprit trio (which are all in regular Poké Balls BTW). It was a Pelipper I encountered while doing some quick training to regain friendship. It is the only hidden encounter Shiny I have seen so far, and right after catching this, I went and caught Mesprit to finish off that trio.

I plan to Shiny hunt the trio in my other game, but that's another discussion.

Stormerbuzz35 January 29th, 2015 2:53 AM

Can't someone please sticky this? It's very useful.

Nekochen January 31st, 2015 11:04 PM

Wanted to thank you for the guide! c: I tried it out to try and get a shiny cottonee but I broke my chain twice so hopefully I can do some more tomorrow on it and maybe have better luck.

LaVida February 18th, 2015 1:01 PM

Quick question, hope it's OK to bring this up:

So what if your chain goes up to 100? I understand that the level is reset but is the chain broken as well?

Z25 February 18th, 2015 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LaVida (Post 8623669)
Quick question, hope it's OK to bring this up:

So what if your chain goes up to 100? I understand that the level is reset but is the chain broken as well?

It won't break :)

LaVida February 20th, 2015 10:31 AM

After several chains of 100-300 and not a single shiny showing up, I kind of doubt that shiny chaining actually exists in OR/AS. I can't find current information on this but I found some stuff from 2 months ago where people more or less disproved shiny chaining. Does anybody have an update on this?

Pendraflare February 20th, 2015 10:38 AM

So I haven't tried to shiny chain yet but I have gotten the gist of how to get my search level up here. But I don't know if I will attempt to chain or not, maybe after I get the Shiny Charm. But it is good to know that once i'm at 25 search level it makes things easier finding good ones of what I need.

Gallifreya February 23rd, 2015 4:37 PM

Thanks for this, so useful!


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