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Pendraflare December 26th, 2014 4:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LetItBeKnown (Post 8547976)
I think the sooner people realize that both men and women models portrayed in fashion modeling (or anything like it) are unrealistic for the average person to aspire to look like, the better off this society would be.

I don't look at a Ken doll or some guy on the cover of a magazine with ripped abs and think that I should try to be like them. It's unrealistic, and as soon as I realized that, the sooner I stopped feeling sorry for myself. Honestly, it's not the fashion industry's fault, so stop blaming them. It's all about an individuals mindset. If you think you have to look like a super model in order to love yourself, then I feel sorry for you. Everyone is unique, so trying to copycat another is ridiculous.

Anyway, I think the fashion industry is fine, and that none of this would be happening if parents taught their kids more about loving themselves.

THIS.

I do think it's rather over-the-top that people feel the need to be as good as (insert person being portrayed here) and feel crappy about it, but it happens because they're reminded that they're...not that person.

CoffeeDrink December 29th, 2014 1:11 AM

I believe to a certain degree the parents are responsible. I remember seeing a little girl of about 6 or so walking around in clothing that befits a more. . . 'sophisticated' woman. That means to say, that if you aged her about 15 years and she was standing on a corner, someone would be giving her money to do. . . things. Parents shouldn't shirk their duty and give their parenting responsibilities to the boobtube.

Her December 29th, 2014 9:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LetItBeKnown (Post 8547976)
I think the sooner people realize that both men and women models portrayed in fashion modeling (or anything like it) are unrealistic for the average person to aspire to look like, the better off this society would be.

I don't look at a Ken doll or some guy on the cover of a magazine with ripped abs and think that I should try to be like them. It's unrealistic, and as soon as I realized that, the sooner I stopped feeling sorry for myself. Honestly, it's not the fashion industry's fault, so stop blaming them. It's all about an individuals mindset. If you think you have to look like a super model in order to love yourself, then I feel sorry for you. Everyone is unique, so trying to copycat another is ridiculous.

Anyway, I think the fashion industry is fine, and that none of this would be happening if parents taught their kids more about loving themselves.

it's all very well and good to say 'love yourself and you'll be free :)' but you're truly underestimating the reach & impact of the beauty industry if you think self-love can wipe out multiple generations worth of carefully orchestrated influence

Monophobia January 4th, 2015 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Aphrodite (Post 8553642)
it's all very well and good to say 'love yourself and you'll be free :)' but you're truly underestimating the reach & impact of the beauty industry if you think self-love can wipe out multiple generations worth of carefully orchestrated influence

Like I said, it has nothing to do with the industry itself, but individuals and how they think. If you're always trying to be someone else, then you can never truly love yourself, therefore making you feel as if you're not attractive enough or whatever have you. They market makeup and clothes with models because it's supposed to give off the vibe that if you use or wear their product, it will make you beautiful. Granted, that can make some of us feel pretty shitty or inferior, but accepting the fact that those models go through hours upon hours of training, dieting, possibly even surgery, and using hundreds of creams and makeups just to look how they do ultimately solves the problem in my eyes.

You either put in the effort that they do or just accept the fact that you are you and you're not supposed to be the same as anyone else.

Pendraflare January 4th, 2015 5:50 PM

Well that is true, but part of the thing is, we know that the chances of us ever getting to wear the clothing present by the models is very impractical. But although we get this message that we should try to put in the same effort that these ladies do, not everybody is capable of doing that.

Saki January 16th, 2015 8:15 AM

I am just going to go out on a limb and say that I like the VS Fashion Show. I like what it markets (in terms of product) and I personally see fashion as art. I think it's empowering to take something as uncomfortable, and unpleasant to wear as a bra and make it empowering and beautiful for those who are wearing it and those who will see it on them!

BUT, I do think the VS fashion show, and fashion in general can improve to accommodate all body types (both men and women). I understand that some people dislike fashion but in reality it's just art! I think if you want to follow it and present yourself to the world in a well put together way everyday then that is positive, to judge people based on it is not.

Keep in mind that there are women of the "VS model" figure, and they should be made to be beautiful BUT people shouldn't be told that they need to be that way in order to be beautiful. I know this is another subject as well but I don't believe in embracing anything but healthy and natural. If someone is naturally skinny, so be it, but people aren't naturally obese except under very specific circumstances which require (usually) hormonal treatment, etc. I don't judge people on their weight, but I do hope that people strive to be healthy! I have my personal preferences for my weight and for my spectrum of attraction but that doesn't mean I cannot love a certain person with a specific body type etc.

I don't think the concept of fashion is rubbish, but I do think the capitalist side of it can be!

I am just going to go out on a limb and say that I like the VS Fashion Show. I like what it markets (in terms of product) and I personally see fashion as art. I think it's empowering to take something as uncomfortable, and unpleasant to wear as a bra and make it empowering and beautiful for those who are wearing it and those who will see it on them!

BUT, I do think the VS fashion show, and fashion in general can improve to accommodate all body types (both men and women). I understand that some people dislike fashion but in reality it's just art! I think if you want to follow it and present yourself to the world in a well put together way everyday then that is positive, to judge people based on it is not.

Keep in mind that there are women of the "VS model" figure, and they should be made to be beautiful BUT people shouldn't be told that they need to be that way in order to be beautiful. I know this is another subject as well but I don't believe in embracing anything but healthy and natural. If someone is naturally skinny, so be it, but people aren't naturally obese except under very specific circumstances which require (usually) hormonal treatment, etc. I don't judge people on their weight, but I do hope that people strive to be healthy! I have my personal preferences for my weight and for my spectrum of attraction but that doesn't mean I cannot love a certain person with a specific body type etc.

I don't think the concept of fashion is rubbish, but I do think the capitalist side of it can be! I also really do not agree that all fashion preys on people with low self esteem, it's not that vicious even if they're using low self esteem as a marketing aspect, imo.


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