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Pendraflare December 29th, 2014 5:47 AM

How did you defeat Ghetsis' Hydreigon?
 
I made a thread like this in the Fourth Generation forum about Cynthia's Garchomp, and today we have with us a foe that several have regarded on almost equal footing. With Black and White, Ghetsis, the boss of Team Plasma, has a very nasty Hydreigon, a Dark/Dragon-type with a very high Special Attack stat. Not only does it come at a level much higher than what you're likely to be at (54), but it has max IVs like the aforementioned Cynthia, and it too is extremely fast with a moveset consisting of four deadly special moves - Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast, Fire Blast and Surf. And if you have out a Pokémon weak to any of its attacks, you can bet it's gonna come out after you knock out his first Pokémon, Cofagrigus. This thing is extremely difficult to defeat, so how did you?

I don't remember exactly how it went the very first time I played White, but I know I had a Level 57 Emboar after the battle was over so I may have used that. But in other playthroughs i've had specific things to use against it, like Haxorus with Dragon Dance (which I would use against Cofagrigus before Hydreigon would come out). My last play (a Red Mono-Color) had me using Sturdy+Shell Smash Crustle. But no occasion will ever be as memorable to me as my Wedlocke, which had my Conkeldurr scoring the Quick Claw and KO'ing it with Low Kick from 7/8 of its health after Stealth Rock.

What about you? What did you bring with you to slay this ever so horrifying menace? Would you say it's on par with Cynthia's Garchomp? If not, how far off? Discuss.

Sydian December 29th, 2014 7:57 AM

I don't remember what I did. I usually have something in my party with an Ice move though, so I guess that's what I did to defeat him, haha. And Cynthia's Garchomp for that matter.

ActualRealJamz December 29th, 2014 8:25 AM

Samurott: it had Megahorn at the time, and so Hydreigon wasn't much of a problem. My issue was always with Confagrigus; I never had a fun time with that thing. It would always wear down the majority of the team before I actually got anywhere - making everything else a pain.

Chrayus December 29th, 2014 8:46 AM

I served it a quick RKO out of nowhere. (AKA Some Dragon Move)

Satoshi Ookami December 29th, 2014 11:27 AM

Aura Sphere'd him with Lucario iirc.

CoffeeDrink December 29th, 2014 2:20 PM

I had my own Hydreigon. It was superior in every category because it's just too cool for Pokemon School. Dragon pulse pretty much took care of the opposition for me. I remember naming my Hydreigon Warzaw.

Light Espeon December 29th, 2014 2:53 PM

For both games I used multiple fighting attacks from pokemon like Samurott and Virizion. Starmie's ice beam may have also helped in Black 2.

Cerberus87 December 29th, 2014 5:25 PM

Megahorn.

Granted, I had Eelektross paralyze him beforehand, but...

Pendraflare December 29th, 2014 5:42 PM

To the people mentioning B2W2, you do know that I placed a BW prefix because this is just BW and not B2W2, right? Because in the latter, that Hydreigon is practically nonexistent compared to BW (its moveset is much inferior, it doesn't have max IVs and can be walled by Steel-types; it's not bad per se but it's not what it was then).

Anyway, it's not practical you'd have a Hydreigon by this point in the game unless you used ALL your Rare Candies on a Deino that you would train and have evolve. And while Samurott is strong, I remember watching MunchingOrange's LP way back where his, which was Level 47 or something around there, took near 3/4 from Dragon Pulse while he only did JUST enough for a 2HKO. Only THE strongest super-effective attacks, like Sawk's Close Combat, can score the quick OHKO it.

And Cerberus, yeah it's surprisingly fast, moreso than you would expect most to be (it's +Speed natured, I know that thanks to Marriland's Wedlocke).

Bellsprout January 1st, 2015 6:18 AM

you know I played through a few times and I can't seem to remember what I used any of the times I played through... lol. I do remember once I decided to do a team of three flying types and then one wall (Ferrothorn.) I believe I used a combination of Archeops and Ferrothorn to beat it.

Timbjerr January 1st, 2015 7:53 AM

I'm pretty sure it was my Emboar's Hammer Arm that OHKO'd it on my very first playthrough...though how Emboar outsped Hydreigon or survived its surf is a bit foggy.

Cerberus87 January 1st, 2015 8:29 AM

The only Pokémon in the Unova Dex that can wall (sorta) Ghetsis' Hydreigon is Jellicent. It can't do shit in return, though. And you're vulnerable to Dragon Pulse which is his strongest attack.

Pendraflare January 1st, 2015 9:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8558195)
The only Pokémon in the Unova Dex that can wall (sorta) Ghetsis' Hydreigon is Jellicent. It can't do shit in return, though. And you're vulnerable to Dragon Pulse which is his strongest attack.

Not 100% true - it can learn Blizzard, if nothing else. And aside from its high HP/Sp Def that can usually allow it to avoid a 2HKO most of the time, it has status to use against it, too. I know there was one playthrough that had a Jellicent using Night Shade against it.

Cerberus87 January 1st, 2015 9:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pendraflare (Post 8558275)
Not 100% true - it can learn Blizzard, if nothing else. And aside from its high HP/Sp Def that can usually allow it to avoid a 2HKO most of the time, it has status to use against it, too. I know there was one playthrough that had a Jellicent using Night Shade against it.

Blizzard = shit.

I beat Ghetsis with Jellicent in my team but I didn't use it for status.

faf January 1st, 2015 10:24 PM

For White, most of my party fainted cause I feared Scrafty wouldn't take a Focus Blast well. But it did and finished off the Hydreigon.
For Black, I also used my own Hydreigon.

Evening January 1st, 2015 11:42 PM

I was very underleveled; all my Pokemon were at level 40-45.
I had to stall with Toxic to get rid of it.

Altairis January 2nd, 2015 4:14 PM

I honestly don't remember, but I also don't recall having a difficult time beating it. This means I must have just taken it out using force or a combination of a couple sacrifices and multiple Pokemon's effort. It wasn't nearly as hard as Cynthia or I would have remembered being defeated probably, but I'm sure it was still somewhat of a challenge!

blue January 2nd, 2015 5:34 PM

Ghetsis was surprisingly easy for me including his Hydreigon, probably why I can't recall having a difficult time facing against it. I remember using Vanilluxe which was a sturdy Ice-type to go up against his Hydregion sooo.

ShiningKami January 8th, 2015 1:01 PM

I had trouble with that Hydreigon. The little [BLEEP] wiped out four of my team: Simisage, Sigilyph, Samurott and even Zekrom. Then Emboar took it out with Brick Break, surviving a Surf in the process. All of Ghetsis's other Pokémon went down easily, it was just Hydreigon that caused me bother.

curiousnathan January 9th, 2015 11:39 PM

I can't remember how I took it down -- I think it was with a focus blast or something of that sort. It was a tough opponent to defeat but I persevered.

Hiatus January 22nd, 2015 6:41 PM

Generally speaking, Hydregion was sort of a fearful Pokémon back in generation five of games.

Nowadays, it's kind of overlooked, as it has more weaknesses than it did before (thanks to introduction of fairy, which this Pokémon is four-times weak against, if I'm not wrong), but during then, Hydregion took some time to counter, at least from my end; it's pretty fast, and also hard-hitting on both physical and special sides.

How did I manage to defeat? Sadly, I'm not too sure, as it's been a while since I had actually fought Ghetsis in BW. Though, if I were to try my best on remembering something, I would say I had used some bug-type attack (likely U-Turn); Scizor was one of my core team members, and it did have access to a couple of bug moves in its set.

Rainbow-Dash January 22nd, 2015 7:48 PM

lol, moonblast

But no, I used my Heracross. <3 Hydreigon can't take an X-Scissor.

Pendraflare January 22nd, 2015 8:23 PM

^ Well, Heracross isn't in BW, unless you're talking B2W2 (which, again, this isn't about). But I remember one person I follow on Twitter, when she did a Nuzlocke on White last summer, she claimed that her Mienshao (which was like Level 52 or 53) managed to OHKO the Hydreigon with Brick Break, despite being slower. I don't remember if she had the Expert Belt or not, because you'd need THE strongest moves to OHKO it.

Cerberus87 January 23rd, 2015 2:48 AM

Nothing in the Unova Dex walls Ghetsis' Hydreigon in BW. If you're going to take a hit, you need to OHKO him back, which is extremely difficult. Scolipede can probably outspeed and OHKO with Megahorn, but that's just a guess. Conkeldurr with Hammer Arm could probably take a hit and do it, too. Mienshao can try a OHKO with Jump Kick but, if it doesn't outspeed, it'll need to take a hit, and it's quite frail.

Pendraflare January 23rd, 2015 5:50 AM

^ Or Low Kick with Conkeldurr, which does 100 base damage to Hydreigon.

And for the sake of calculation...
Level 51 122 Attack Scolipede Megahorn vs Level 54 180 HP/118 Defense Hydreigon (which it has, unless it's a Hasty nature): 140-168. Not enough to OHKO, but it does a big chunk. Random numbers I came up with for the Attack and level, but it does get my point across a bit. It doesn't help that Hydreigon is +Speed natured (which I learned from the finale of Marriland's Black Wedlocke), so it's likely to be faster than anything you throw at it, unless you have, say, a Haxorus with Dragon Dance, as I mentioned in the OP. With the Expert Belt, however: 168-201, giving a high chance to OHKO it.

Now I know that Sawk with Close Combat can OHKO it (because i've done so before), which is helped if it has Sturdy. And the Conkeldurr that I mentioned before (Level 52, 188 Attack, no boosting item) had a guaranteed OHKO with Low Kick (100 base power on it), even without the Stealth Rocks I had set up beforehand (182-216, which is BARELY guaranteed).


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