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Dragon January 1st, 2015 3:45 PM

Diantha - How would you improve her?
 
When I made the Champions topic on PGC a few days ago, I asked, y'know, what Champions did you like the most, which ones you feel that were the easiest, and anything else we'd think of, and so on, and so, the common answer in that thread was that Diantha was actually one of the easiest Champions to beat and she didn't really get too much appearances within the game, which imo, was a pretty disappointment because she had much potential!

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Still though, assuming that we're going to get a 'third game' that represents the Kalos region & Pokemon X/Y, what would you say that Diantha needs to be "better" or at least, what can she do to represent herself as the Champion in the Kalos region in the games better?

In a nutshell.. if you were in gamefreak's position and you didn't much care for Diantha's lack of a role in the games or how easy she is in the pokemon league, how would you improve on her? Or would you improve on anything at all? Do you think she's perfect as is? Feel free to share any thoughts~!

Nah January 1st, 2015 4:31 PM

More story involvement and character development. For me Diantha's main problem was that she appears all of like once in the main story before you battle her at the league. The best Champions imo are the ones that actively get involved in the story. It turns them from being some random NPC you couldn't care less about into, well, an actual character. Having characters that aren't just "there" gives the story a little substance, and the fact that X/Y's plot failed to develop its characters and story was one of its biggest shortcomings.

Just throwing her or any of the other characters into the plot more often won't automatically make it better though. But I'd like to think that Game Freak wouldn't muck it up.

As for why Diantha seems so much easier compared to other champions, I think that it partly has to do with the things X/Y had that other regions didn't exactly have: the massive Pokemon diversity, the better Exp.Share, Mega Evolution, the fact that X/Y had the 2nd best range of moves available to our Pokemon, etc.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 1st, 2015 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8559203)
More story involvement and character development. For me Diantha's main problem was that she appears all of like once in the main story before you battle her at the league. The best Champions imo are the ones that actively get involved in the story. It turns them from being some random NPC you couldn't care less about into, well, an actual character. Having characters that aren't just "there" gives the story a little substance, and the fact that X/Y's plot failed to develop its characters and story was one of its biggest shortcomings.

Just throwing her or any of the other characters into the plot more often won't automatically make it better though. But I'd like to think that Game Freak wouldn't muck it up.

As for why Diantha seems so much easier compared to other champions, I think that it partly has to do with the things X/Y had that other regions didn't exactly have: the massive Pokemon diversity, the better Exp.Share, Mega Evolution, the fact that X/Y had the 2nd best range of moves available to our Pokemon, etc.

Considering Diantha seems to know Lysander and is distrust for of him she could've provided us insight into him that the blind Sycamore couldn't have.

Also I must say I'm actually surprised that they increased Steven's role in ORAS considering how little of a role in the plot Iris and Diantha had (Wallace was as bad as Diantha in Emerald but at least he helped stop the chaos).

Funny that you mention the best champions are the ones involved in the story seeing how popular Cynthia is and she has among the most, if not the most, involvement in the story of her games.

Pinkie-Dawn January 1st, 2015 7:30 PM

I would replace her Hawlucha and Tyrantrum with Furfrou and another graceful Pokémon like Meinshao that suits her appearance better, since the rest of her team are alright, though I do wish her ace Pokémon wasn't a Gardevoir due to not being a Kalos mon (debut wise).

Dedenne1 January 1st, 2015 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8559558)
I would replace her Hawlucha and Tyrantrum with Furfrou and another graceful Pokémon like Meinshao that suits her appearance better, since the rest of her team are alright, though I do wish her ace Pokémon wasn't a Gardevoir due to not being a Kalos mon (debut wise).

I think her entire team is supposed to be Kalos pokemon and its mega is strict to Kalos so i think thats why GF put that in ;)

I actually wish she was like more involved as a strong trainer shes known as a movie star but she did nothing to stop team flare, she didnt really go out there and say im the champion which is generally a good thing. And why does she have to be like the perfect person alder was clumsy but had a good heart shes beautiful has a good heart pretty wise, a good job, many candidates for boyfriends i mean shes the full package lol shes tooo perfect!

I think shes easier than other champions is 1 because she had a bad team Gardevoir was good dont get me wrong but GF wanted her to use both fossils (big mistake) and she couldn't just use 1 because that would lead characters to a different fossil, she had to use all Kalos pokemon, only her Gardevoir could mega so it makes sense that none of her other pokemon should be able to mega and really the fossils ruined her team with 2 dragons and 2 rock types and the fossils had a big amount of weaknesses. Other factors are generally xy being easy and the character has higher leveled pokemon plus the new exp share, and you could use a mega against her which probably should have been restricted to post game.

Pinkie-Dawn January 1st, 2015 9:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedenne1 (Post 8559860)
I think her entire team is supposed to be Kalos pokemon and its mega is strict to Kalos so i think thats why GF put that in ;)

Steven had a Skarmory, Cynthia had a Milotic, and Iris had a Lapras and an Aggron. It isn't new.

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I actually wish she was like more involved as a strong trainer shes known as a movie star but she did nothing to stop team flare, she didnt really go out there and say im the champion which is generally a good thing. And why does she have to be like the perfect person alder was clumsy but had a good heart shes beautiful has a good heart pretty wise, a good job, many candidates for boyfriends i mean shes the full package lol shes tooo perfect!
At least she's a better champion than Iris, who was the new Unova champion without any subtle hints in the main camepaign.

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Other factors are generally xy being easy and the character has higher leveled pokemon plus the new exp share, and you could use a mega against her which probably should have been restricted to post game.
Fans would complain about not using Mega Evolutions until postgame and accuse it as "false advertisement."

Dedenne1 January 1st, 2015 9:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8560157)
Steven had a Skarmory, Cynthia had a Milotic, and Iris had a Lapras and an Aggron. It isn't new.

Well i meant by saying that it was meant as a mega not to be used in its normal form which Megas are used as new pokemon.


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At least she's a better champion than Iris, who was the new Unova champion without any subtle hints in the main camepaign.
True iris wasnt all that good a champion although in my opinion Wallace wasnt great either.

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Fans would complain about not using Mega Evolutions until postgame and accuse it as "false advertisement."
True but the fans arent always right haha. Thats why they should enable difficulty modes as soon as u begin the game so it can be more challenging

blue January 2nd, 2015 2:50 PM

Well considering she only really showed up here and there on the odd occasion with no real back story, I'd improve on that. I felt like Cynthia helped out much more and we got to know her background prior to actually battling her.

mew_nani January 2nd, 2015 3:00 PM

I'd have her more involved and even helping you fight Lysandre and his cronies. She's the strongest trainer in the region and she only appears once or twice and is so detached from the storyline it's pitiful. She knows something's off with Lysandre, yet doesn't help you fight him even after he broadcasts to the entire world he's gonna murder everybody. It would just have been better if she were more involved, and at least tried to help in some way.

Cerberus87 January 2nd, 2015 3:02 PM

The fans would probably be pleased with Diantha having a few more useless appearances during the main story like Cynthia did. Cynthia appeared more, but didn't have any involvement in the story at all since it was you who did all the hard work, unlike other Champions like Steven and Lance.

Bellsprout January 19th, 2015 5:09 PM

She just needs to be involved more in the story and maybe beef up her team a little or switch some Pokemon around. I think her design is Champion material and overall I see so much potential for her. I really loved her theme too tehe. I feel like the lack of character they gave her in x and y among other things they failed to really touch upon is a big indicator that a third game is coming with major story improvements. (I hope anyway)

Hiatus January 20th, 2015 8:19 PM

As others have stated before me, one thing I would consider making changes to in regards to her would be story-line involvement.

She does make appearances here and there, if I'm not mistaken, but other champions we have had in the past had contributed a lot more to plot of their respective games (Lance aiding to take Team Rocket down in Johto, Wallace and Steven helping player out with awakening Rayquaza, Cynthia hanging around here and there to elaborate mythology of Sinnoh, and so forth), and if she had done the same, I'm sure it would have been more advantageous for Diantha.

Aside from that, I would also make touches to her appearance, probably. Her design is slightly heavy, in a way, and it does make sense considering that she is a fashionista and whatnot, but I believe she could still be one while leaning more on side of simplicity.

PlatinumDude January 20th, 2015 9:50 PM

As others mentioned, Diantha should've been more involved in the story. She should've showed up in Team Flare's final showdown, confronting Lysandre after he revealed his true colors (either in Lysandre Labs and/or in the Team Flare HQ).

Khoshi January 21st, 2015 12:01 AM

Just like everyone else, I too want Diantha to be involved in the story more. Maybe like how Cynthia was placed in the plot in Platinum. Cynthia helped the player on their journey by doing things like giving you HMs and helping you out with direction. Diantha, on the other hand...well, to be honest I don't know what she's meant to be doing. To me, it feels like she's in the story for nothing.

Pendraflare January 21st, 2015 5:56 AM

For me, I feel like I would've gave her more Pokémon that you're not used to seeing throughout the story. All six of her Pokémon are ones used by other trainers, so I think they could've done better than that. (Well, not counting the Mega Evolution...)

Gardevoir the Dragon Slayer January 21st, 2015 6:32 AM

I would have liked to have seen her on posters and stuff round Kalos, you know with her being a famous actress and all.

Circuit January 21st, 2015 2:59 PM

Diantha was really disappointing to me. I found her ridiculously easy to beat, in fact, my Jolteon all-but soloed her. It wasn't even that much of a higher level than her Pokémon. The entire E4 in X/Y I found easy. I would much prefer her to be stronger. The hardest E4 for me was in Black and White, but the best was in Diamond/Pearl which was challenging, but didn't require me to spend ages grinding to actually face the E4.

Diantha's character needs more involvement in the plot. As you chase the bad guys around, she needs to follow you, help you and become someone you really look up to, rather than just a face. Diantha also needs to be involved in the Mega Evolution studies. She HAS a Mega Stone, so why does she never talk to you about it. You learn more from the 4th gym leader and her Lucario. That should be Diantha's job. In my opinion anyway. I'm sure Game Freak will improve her story line engagement for the third game... Z. I mean, this one is clear as day is it not? XD

matt15rsp February 3rd, 2015 10:41 AM

She was quite easy and she was barely in the plot at all. Atleast Steven and Cynthia showed up quite a lot

Pendraflare February 3rd, 2015 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NinjaAiden (Post 8588997)
I found her ridiculously easy to beat, in fact, my Jolteon all-but soloed her. It wasn't even that much of a higher level than her Pokémon.

How was Tyrantrum with Earthquake, Aurorus with Light Screen, and Goodra with Electric resistances and super high Special Defense? :P

Circuit February 3rd, 2015 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pendraflare (Post 8605451)
How was Tyrantrum with Earthquake, Aurorus with Light Screen, and Goodra with Electric resistances and super high Special Defense? :P

Jolteon didn't fight Tyrantrum. I said "all but soloed her" Jolteon didn't do it completely alone. Normally all of my Pokémon are present in a battle. In this one it was only Jolteon and I think it was Greninja, but I might be mistaken. Was a while ago now ;) The Goodra And Aurorus weren't an issue. Aurorus never got a chance to use a move and Goodra took two hits, one Thunder, one Discharge, I remember that because I was expecting Goodra to be a huge problem for a lot of my team, it was funny. Diantha was too easy with the easy-to-access EV trainer and the updated exp share.

Alfieri February 3rd, 2015 2:52 PM

I actually like how Diantha wasn't involved much. She was just the Champion of the Kalos League, not some kind of 10-year-old superhero like the main protagonist. You see her once or twice as some famous actress, go through the Team Flare ordeal, and then challenge the Elite Four. You make it to the Champion's room, wondering who was the champion since there wasn't an NPC who would follow you around like Cynthia or Steven. All of a sudden you see Diantha and you're just like "holy crap, wasn't she that actress? She's champion? Well what a surprise!"

That's how I felt about Iris too but that was spoiled for me because Black and White 2 was the last game to come out early in Japan.

Pendraflare February 3rd, 2015 3:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfieri (Post 8605594)
I actually like how Diantha wasn't involved much. She was just the Champion of the Kalos League, not some kind of 10-year-old superhero like the main protagonist. You see her once or twice as some famous actress, go through the Team Flare ordeal, and then challenge the Elite Four. You make it to the Champion's room, wondering who was the champion since there wasn't an NPC who would follow you around like Cynthia or Steven. All of a sudden you see Diantha and you're just like "holy crap, wasn't she that actress? She's champion? Well what a surprise!"

That's how I felt about Iris too but that was spoiled for me because Black and White 2 was the last game to come out early in Japan.

You know, to add on to this, I do want to mention that while Cynthia is still my favorite Champion, this is something I can at least respect the logic behind. To explain that a little further...well, say what you want about Iris and Diantha, at least they didn't leave a bunch of Psyduck that were suffering chronic headaches to have you cure them yourself. Cynthia has the SecretPotion needed to heal them, and instead of doing that herself she sends you to do it. I mean granted it's for the plot progression, but to leave them hurting like that isn't something I find smart.

CoffeeDrink February 3rd, 2015 9:18 PM

Well, her Pokémon sure could be beefed up a bit. There's also the fact that she uses two Rock Types is a damper. So far, all the other Champions seem to pale in comparison to Blue, but that might be just me. It's a sad fact that the champions use the same Pokémon no matter what you choose at the beginning. The Kalos Elite Four could use an overhaul when it came to their Pokémon and the move sets.

Odyssey February 4th, 2015 2:26 AM

I think what she needs is a better team. She should use Pokémon outside of the Kalos region, as it'll mean less weaknesses and more surprises/variety. Not just that, but three of the Pokémon she used has already been used by another significant Trainer, which is obviously rather redundant. I would keep Mega Gardevoir, but the rest should be replaced by different Pokémon.

curiousnathan February 4th, 2015 2:42 AM

I'd give her a team that was actually champion worthy with Pokemon that would suit her style and aesthetic. I mean, come on. She was a push over. My Tyrantrum destroyed every single Pokemon of hers.

Pendraflare February 4th, 2015 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BadSamaritan (Post 8605703)
People are really surprised about Diantha being champion? I haven't even completed the X/Y games and it was clear as day to me. I mean, after you play enough pokemon games, you generally pick up on the idea that if you run into someone with a unique look, only a few times, they are the champion.

In that vein it pretty much came down to Sycamore, Diantha, or AZ in my head. And out of those three Diantha appeared the least so it was a fairly easy deduction.

That's basically true; some people have said that Diantha was the only character who honestly would have made sense as the Champion. AZ wouldn't, and as for Sycamore...well, we've had people here who said he's more professor material than Champion material.

skyburial February 4th, 2015 8:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Odyssey (Post 8606126)
I think what she needs is a better team. She should use Pokémon outside of the Kalos region, as it'll mean less weaknesses and more surprises/variety. Not just that, but three of the Pokémon she used has already been used by another significant Trainer, which is obviously rather redundant. I would keep Mega Gardevoir, but the rest should be replaced by different Pokémon.

She followed the standard Champion format for her team, the only problem was that this generation's psuedo-legendary wasn't much of a show-stopper. There's nothing wrong with Goodra, but I think we all remember fighting Dragonite, Metagross, and Garchomp for the first time and being absolutely stumped on how to kill the **** thing. Especially in Generations III and IV, you'd have no idea where to look for the first evolution of these PL's (yeah that bike route? I'm gonna scale the wall underneath it to see if I find any... well hey, maybe I should come back with Flash, well oh hey maybe I need Strength too...)

Alfieri February 4th, 2015 9:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BadSamaritan (Post 8605703)
People are really surprised about Diantha being champion? I haven't even completed the X/Y games and it was clear as day to me. I mean, after you play enough pokemon games, you generally pick up on the idea that if you run into someone with a unique look, only a few times, they are the champion.

In that vein it pretty much came down to Sycamore, Diantha, or AZ in my head. And out of those three Diantha appeared the least so it was a fairly easy deduction.

Okay Mr. Smarty Pants.
I was talking more about the lines that Diantha was so forgettable that when you see her as champion, you're caught by surprise because she looks familiar but don't remember when you saw her last.

CountessGardevoir February 4th, 2015 3:37 PM

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Originally Posted by curiousnathan (Post 8606129)
I'd give her a team that was actually champion worthy with Pokemon that would suit her style and aesthetic. I mean, come on. She was a push over. My Tyrantrum destroyed every single Pokemon of hers.

Heck, her Gardevoir was decimated by my Lucario, granted, both had Mega Evolved, but still...

Hikamaru February 5th, 2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Odyssey (Post 8606126)
I think what she needs is a better team. She should use Pokémon outside of the Kalos region, as it'll mean less weaknesses and more surprises/variety. Not just that, but three of the Pokémon she used has already been used by another significant Trainer, which is obviously rather redundant. I would keep Mega Gardevoir, but the rest should be replaced by different Pokémon.

I sorta agree with you. Her team is full of weaknesses to Fairy, Steel and Ice meaning that if you have moves of those types she is very easy to take down, and also most of her team are rather slow meaning you have a good shot of outspeeding and killing them (the only speedster I think she has is Hawlucha, but Mega Gardevoir gets a solid boost to its speed as well) and there's not much type variety, and as BadSamaritan summed above, there wasn't as many different dual-type combos back in the old days compared to now.

Another factor into what makes her easy is the new Exp. Share mechanics, which can put you fairly over her levels if you leave it on for the entire game. Then there's also veteran Pokemon players being much smarter and more aware of the mechanics now compared to when they first played. For example I started playing at 11 where I was a massive noob, and now as a 22-year-old I know pretty much what's good against what and I'm just now even more aware of type coverage and such.

K-A February 5th, 2015 11:51 PM

She needs a better team and a better Presence. she didnt really strike me as Champion when i first met her. i mean they do show her but it would be better if they did the same thing they did with Lance, Steven and Cynthia and make her more integrated to the journey and not just some random character you meet one time, let the player interact with her a lot, let herself be shown battling, give her a bit more of a development more lines let the player get to know her more, it would make the player more excited to battle her, i felt that it was a missed opportunity, i mean Lysandre, Sycamore and Diantha knew each other i wanted a bit more of them interacting with one another and what not.

as for a here team

Just a team suggestion:
Trevenant:
Ability: Harvest/Sitrus Berry
Moveset: Will-o-wisp/Shadow Claw(Phantom Force)/Confuse Ray/ Leech seed
(if not she can still use the same Gourgeist but with this moveset instead)

Klefki
Ability: Prankster
Moveset; Foulplay/ Swagger/ Reflect/ Light Screen
(still have no idea why they gave Klefki to Wikstrom wouldnt Bisharp make more sense. but i guess they dont have much Kalos Steel types}

Avalugg:
Ability: Sturdy
Moveset: Curse/Eartquake/Avalanche/Gyro Ball

Azumarill:
Ability: Huge Power
Moveset: Play Rough/ Aqua Jet(or Aqua Tail)/ Super Power/ Double Edge

Goodra:
Ability: Gooey
Moveset: Fireblast/Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse/Muddy Water

Gardevoir:
Ability: does it matter shes going Mega anyway so it will always be Pixelate
Moveset; Hyper Voice( or Hyper Beam)/ Shadow Ball/ Psychic/ Moonblast

I really thought that she would have a Diancie based on her name but i guess not (--.)

tried to think of a team that doesnt really have much change on her overall Theme, it really doesnt help if they restrict theirselves on the amount of pokemon on Kalos region since its really Limited, i really hope they change her team at least on the Rematch for the up coming pokemon Z(or w/e its gonna be called)

Sabrewulf238 February 8th, 2015 6:14 PM

On one hand she's easy to defeat and doesn't have much of a role in the story.....plus it was pretty obvious she was the champion. All dressed up? Check! Seemingly no important role. Check! Villain role taken by the big red haired guy? Check! Then again Pokémon never tries that hard to hide their champions.

I didn't find her that likeable, a bit on the bland side and I never got the impression she was a powerful trainer.....and that was before I wiped the floor with her in battle.


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