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Dragon January 3rd, 2015 1:19 PM

Wally (small spoilers)
 
See see/know a lot more about Wally this time around in the OR/AS games. Of course the developers did follow tradition and introduce us to Wally in Petalburg as we taught him how to catch a pokemon, but he seemed to have more of a 'shy and weakly' demeanor to him.


http://serebii.net/omegarubyalphasapphire/rivals/wally1.jpg


Still though, as we progress through the game, Wally gets stronger and stronger, and soon we find him on victory road with a Gallade that can mega evolve! He even has his glorious theme:



Soo yeah, the discussion topic here is pretty obvious: What do you think of 'this' OR/AS Wally compared with the R/S/E Wally? Is there still something that can be improved on with him? Do you enjoy the challenge he brings? Annd of course, any other thoughts, feel free to share~

HairyLoco January 3rd, 2015 1:59 PM

I personally feel Wally should have appeared more often.
I made it a habit since Leafgreen to always check the Gym Statues in every gym, and I find that Wally beats most gyms before me. So how come that we, while I've been delayed by Team Aqua and Magma side stories (where Wally did not appear) meet in the same place: The Victory Road?

He should have had more side story and more appearances in my opinion. However, in terms of character he has definitely improved since R/S/E, and I really like him, still.
And his theme is godlike (and so is his Mega Gallade)

Necrum January 3rd, 2015 2:05 PM

I hated Wally's theme. It's too slow and just drags for the entire battle. It sounds like encounter music not battle music. I was so upset when it kept the same music when the battle started. Just seems lazy not to have an overworld theme and a battle theme. And the loop point is so funky that it feels repetitive when the music loops.

antemortem January 3rd, 2015 4:10 PM

I figured when Wally asked if we could be rivals, he would appear more frequently as well. That would've been cool, especially as a supplement for Brendan/May not battling us after Lilycove City. He was still nice to battle at the end of Victory Road, even if his team wasn't that strong. It was cool as hell. His theme, however, was nowhere near fitting for a Pokemon game. Creative? Absolutely. But fitting for the boy nor a trainer theme in a Pokemon game is not descriptive of the song.

morrison January 4th, 2015 12:15 AM

I dhave my game muted most of the time so cant say anything about it. I think the number of appearances was good, more than last time. I liked that thi time he appeared on the beautiful outdoors stretch before the league instead of just as youre going out of the tunnel.

Altairis January 4th, 2015 1:00 AM

When I was younger I thought Wally was a cool rival. Now? Not so much; he definitely could have appeared a lot more and had more presence. I mean, I honestly don't know what I would have done with him but he never really appeared really confident until the last moment, and then it was just a bit cliche :P Maybe Wally could have helped you fight Team Magma/Aqua?

ShyRayq January 4th, 2015 3:28 AM

If he appeared maybe 1 or 2 more times during the journey, his final showdown at Victory Road would have had more impact. Nevertheless, it was still epic when the music came on, but he was still easy. It's like 'Wow, this is some serious business', then 1 hit KOing everything. Otherwise, its great that he gets much stronger post-game, even bringing out a full on competitive team with GSE Red levels.

Starry Windy January 4th, 2015 7:36 AM

I think Wally has improved much, even more than in the original Gen 3 games, because as time progresses, he become much more confident and become quite the character. Alas, I was unable to visit him in Verdanturf Town after beating his Ralts, which is kind of a bum a bit, I wish I can meet with him much more often like when I was meeting my rival (Brendan or May) on occasional times, that will make his presence much more worthwhile.

Pinkie-Dawn January 4th, 2015 8:30 AM

Everyone talks about how great Zinnia's theme is, but I haven't heard anyone talking about Wally's theme, making it underrated. He's still bad as a pseudo-riva thoughl, to which I still view Brendan/May as the one true rival for the game, since he/she uses a starter as his/her ace.

MckinkyMcormic January 4th, 2015 8:50 AM

personaly i felt realy bad for wally. the depth they gave to him made him an underdog, someone who found power through the main gameplay. defeating him crushed his dream and made the game a bit messed up.
still pokemon is notorious for absolutely no character development, (which has been even more so a theme this generation) so i'm not supprised at that. i miss the communication and the insight into the other rival in B/W1, which helped tie the whole game together, and we know Pokemon as a narrative can handle multiple rivals. waiting to see how Z holds up, maybe it'll be better.

JP January 4th, 2015 10:22 AM

He's kinda meh. Having not played the originals, I never knew much about him, but I was a bit disappointed by him. He doesn't appear enough, which kinda puts a damper on his progress as a character. They could have done a lot more with him, but such is the case with most rivals usually. Would have been great if he showed up to help with the villain team, maybe had a triple battle with your character and May/Brendan against them.

Ephemeral Euphoria January 4th, 2015 10:31 AM

Wally was decent in RSE but this time around, he was just flat out annoying to put it lightly. At least the battle music was good though.

Pendraflare January 5th, 2015 5:46 AM

In the original games, Wally wasn't much of a character, but I think they gave him a lot more here. I haven't gotten to battle his final rematch team yet (Battle Maison y u do dis 2 us), but I know that it has some pretty powerful Pokémon.

*Riolu Master* January 5th, 2015 6:14 AM

Wally I think had a lot more personality in this game. I grew up with Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire and I never knew much about Wally but now in ORAS I understand his character now. To be honest Wally is my favorite rival and a true one. He isn't a jerk like Blue and Silver, he isn't hyper like Barry and Bianca and he isn't easily forgettable like the rivals in x and y.

skyluigi2 January 5th, 2015 12:30 PM

Wally really wasn't seen all that much in RSE... and he isn't seen any more in ORAS, disappointingly. I think they could have expanded his story a great deal, and had him show up more times throughout the story. Still, at least his battle theme is incredible.

TrendyHipsta January 6th, 2015 7:17 AM

I thought Wally's theme was perfect. A bashful guy becoming a cool-beans hero. He got all adamant with his Mega Gallade and what not.

He appear enough, I dislike rivals that keeps encountering me with Tee-hee (May <_<) comments and try to justified the "loss" as a "win". It makes me sick!

pvnk-as-fvck January 7th, 2015 4:55 PM

As much as I ship Wally with my character, he was a bit annoying in this game.
Nintendo gave him a bit more depth in character, but not much.
He also didn't appear as much as I wanted him to... although I was quite surprised to find him at the end of Victory Road.
I was expecting the battle to be much harder, I was slightly disappointed at how easy it was to beat his team.
He shows up a lot more than he did in R/S/E but I would've liked to see him more.
I hated beating him at Mauville though-I felt so bad! I'm glad he made a turn around & trained an entire team of Pokémon.


So, all in all, he was an okay character. I didn't really notice him much-when I saw him it was more of a shock, definitely not a normal occurrence.
Nintendo did a decent job at making him a more recognized character in this game, but I would've loved for him to have more of a backstory.

pvnk-as-fvck January 8th, 2015 4:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 8571830)
While Wally's role has been expanded, I think some of us are missing the fact that his character was pretty much implied to be what it was from the start. He was always said to be sickly, and OR/AS only makes things about him even more explicit.



Not just addressing you here, but rather the rest of the thread, but I struggle with this idea that Wally has somehow become annoying. If I didn't go through Ruby and Sapphire already, I'd say that he was definitely one of those interesting rivals. Accounting for the added character development and his slight increase in appearances, he's even more up there in my eyes. I agree—it would've been nice to see him more.

But isn't it contradictory wishing he had more appearances and also saying he's a bit more annoying?


Sometimes this whole justification is the story. Since when (though the Pokémon games don't exactly help) has it always been about "winning vs. losing"? There's some implied morals between Pokémon battles here that you seem to be missing.

It IS quite contradictory for me to say that, the thing I found annoying about him was that he was extremely weak-which he's supposed to be, but I mean his character. I find him annoying because he would pop up out of nowhere & try to challenge you to a Pokémon battle even though he only had Ralts/Kirlia *as in the beginning of the game*. Also, I wanted him to have more backstory. I didn't really want him to appear more, but I wanted to know about his past & what his goals were. I don't know, I'm super contradictory to everything I say. I just wish I could've known more about him instead of having him pop up in random places so I would battle him.

Pepperton January 8th, 2015 7:55 PM

this was PAINFUL. I loved loved LOVED that they made an effort to include him more in the game, and overall did an alright job, and his team was much improved. i liked how they made the final battle with him pre-elite four in a special terrain and stuff, those little tidbits were quite nice. But, it definitely felt like more could have been done. there was a lot left to be desired with his storyline. it's like in the originals, they didn't show us his character at all, and in ORAS they kind of started pulling the curtain away, but left half of him still behind it. hopefully that metaphor got through to someone. in a perfect world, more would have been devoted to him in the game, at least my perfect world.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 10th, 2015 2:43 PM

I didn't mind it, I expected it actually so no disappointments were had. I didn't expect his theme to be so...epic...I want to hurry up and have rematch to hear it again!

SnowpointQuincy January 10th, 2015 4:47 PM

Wally's Victory Road theme is AWESOME! :15:

His arc is supposed to be a weakling that grows into a cool guy. It doesn't ever come across in RSE. However, that music alone tells a story. The music tells us who Wally has become.

jombii January 10th, 2015 6:44 PM

Wally seems to wear his sleeping clothes everywhere though.

But, Mega Gallade. OMG, I didn't expect it. I thought they would be sticking to Gardevoir but oh yeah. Gallade is baws.

Hikamaru January 12th, 2015 9:18 AM

I really love how better of a character Wally became in this game, now that they gave him a bigger role. The scene where you have the last battle against him in Victory Road has one of the most unique battle scenery in the game and is coupled with an epic battle theme to make it all the more awesome. It was surprising to see his Gardevoir from the original games replaced by Gallade but after looking further into it, Gallade does suit him better, like a knight protecting its friend.

Stormerbuzz35 January 12th, 2015 1:52 PM

The oras Wally is a big improvement imo. Much more character development even though we hardly ever see him. He also has an awesome battle theme. I kinda feel like a jerk for OHKOing all his team. He keeps trying so hard only to lose a fight he's never gonna win.

KostK2Boss January 13th, 2015 3:50 AM

I like how they fleshed out his character, including his family. In the originals, Wally's father came off as kind of a jerk, always thinking too little of him because of his sickness to the point where his own wife had to keep it a secret from him that Wally had left his uncle's house to go on a journey. In ORAS, Wally's father seems much more supportive and proud of his son. Gallade as his signature Pokemon is a nice change too, because it better symbolises his character's growth, starting out as a weak Ralts and eventually getting much stronger.

Dragon January 13th, 2015 1:02 PM

I do love Wally's development throughout the games, but I especially love how we can battle Wally with a 'new and improved' team! Like, at the battle resort, he comes at us with his previous 5 pokemon, Altaria, Roselia, Gallade, Delcatty, and his new Magnezone all about level 64 ~ 66, which is a decent challenge already coming from the delta emerald episode! After he has a team full of level 79 ~ 81 pokemon, which is really insane, and even looking at his pokemon: Roserade, Talonflame, Azumarill, Magnezone, Garchomp & Gallade.

Now, Talonflame, Garchomp, and Azumarill are beastly pokemon already, but damn, he actually gives them pretty nice items, like Rocky Helmet on his Garchomp to stack with it's Rough Skin ability, and freaking Life Orb on Talonflame that already gets priority by using flying moves.. haha, yikes. So, yeah, I really like how they ended up upping the challenge to battle Wally post game, at least compared with R/S/E Wally~

Alumens January 14th, 2015 3:44 AM

Back into my Emerald days I already thought that he could appear more often even if it was not for a battle and I always thought how weird was the fact that his Gardevoir was male. Now with ORAS I think he could appear more often as well but I liked the character in general. They added little details here and there and he have a Gallade now which is so awesome *:*

ElectricN January 17th, 2015 1:42 PM

im suprised not as many people liked wally this time around. his design to me was meh, but development wise was great. i just wish we would have seen him more, but then again, its cool how you know hes progressing as hes on the gym statues, then shows up right at the end.

his rival battle was my favorite of any of the rivals in previous games. not only was the music incredible, but the surroundings, and then mega gallada, along with seeing how wally had grown so much

jombii January 17th, 2015 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElectricN (Post 8583815)
im suprised not as many people liked wally this time around. his design to me was meh, but development wise was great. i just wish we would have seen him more, but then again, its cool how you know hes progressing as hes on the gym statues, then shows up right at the end.

I like the little touch the creators added when Groudon/Kyogre activated their weathers after the incident. You can see Wally on Evergrande. And he's waaaaayyyyyy ahead on you.

Twilight-kun January 21st, 2015 11:31 PM

I do not like Wally's battle theme at all, feels misplaced; as an encounter theme, it would've been fine, but it's barely a minute long before it loops, and for a battle that can take a few minutes, it starts to grate on my ears, so I tend to mute it and play the World Champion theme while I curb-stomp his entire team

FACE THE WRATH OF MY MON-AMIE-EMPOWERED TEAM!

haaah, I'm such a heartless trainer sometimes

Would've been nice if he helped you during the Delta Episode; doesn't he want his Key Stone back?

Gary10 January 24th, 2015 4:39 PM

Wally is one of the biggest improvements from RSE to ORAS. The remakes gave him a lot of character developement, and now he is so amazing as a character. Also, his battle theme has to be one of the best in Pokémon history.

Jakeremix January 24th, 2015 5:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twilight-kun (Post 8589497)
I do not like Wally's battle theme at all, feels misplaced; as an encounter theme, it would've been fine,

Well that's good. Because it IS an encounter theme. xD

Twilight-kun January 25th, 2015 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakeremix (Post 8592585)
Well that's good. Because it IS an encounter theme. xD

Some of Wally's music is alright, such as the guitar theme that plays in Petalburg after you get the Gym Badge

matt15rsp January 27th, 2015 11:38 AM

He was good but I think they could've done a bit more with him


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