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For the weather problem concerning my team so far, I've decided on a few different approaches:
-Run either Zard Y or Ninetales for sun support (Ninetales if I decide on having another member for the Mega slot), I would also have to build the rest of my team around the sun in this scenario. -Run Tyranitar for sand support (meaning I would likely use Megachomp over the previous set, again, building the rest of my team around this weather). -Consider ditching Togekiss for Cloud Nine Altaria or adding Cloud Nine Altaria alongside Togekiss. Ditching Togekiss would result in me having to find another viable partner to support Meowstic and the rest of the team (worst case scenario). Any helpful thoughts or opinions? |
I'm looking to switch over to ORAS soon and as I'm now happy with what I can produce myself while breeding I'd really like to start competitive battling. I haven't done any battling since DP so I'm totally rusty.. my favourite pokemon are ghost so I would really like gengar on my team, I also really like rotom and any rotom forme would be cool to use, I was thinking scizor as a physical sweeper and maybe bulbasaur as a damage sponge and poisoner or something. some of my favourite mons are in my sig.
Based on the info given and the mons in my sig, does anyone think they could sugest me a team to get started with please? |
Alright, I need some help here. I found an interesting core of Heatran, Toxicroak, and Rotom-W earlier and decided that I’d try to team build around it. However, me being out of battling for like…five years or so, has led me to a roadblock. I find that the core itself has amazing synergy, with one of the only flaws bwing its inability to handle Mold Breaker Excadrill in certain scenarios. To remedy this, I added in a Scarf Landorus-Therian (and also unintentionally formed a secondary VoltTurn core). So now I’m pretty much stuck. I’m considering adding in a Politoed or some other weather user like Tyranitar just so that I don’t get slapped around by people who also use it. The current team is in the spoiler below.
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I don't know the movesets yet really, I think thats what I'm gonna go for at first though. I will show my mate your list as well and see if we can do something with it |
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I would try both Exca and Scizor and see which one you like better. And sorry if I was unclear - I meant you should prepare for common VoltTurn cores, not necessary add them yourself. Of course, Landorus-T helps with that and does fit in alright, so I think you might as well try it. Quote:
Mega Scizor, Rotom-W, and Gengar can work together on some kind of bulky offense or balance. What exactly did you have in mind? |
So I got this one,
Venusaur @Venusaurite Ability: Chlorophyll EVs: 252 HP/ 240 Def/ 16 Spe Bold Nature - Giga Drain - Sludge Bomb - Synthesis - Leech Seed Heatran @ Leftovers Ability: Flash Fire EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Calm Nature - Lava Plume - Toxic - Stealth Rock - Roar Slowbro @ Leftovers Ability: Regenerator EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 SpD Bold Nature - Scald - Fire Blast - Thunder Wave - Slack Off Gliscor @ Toxic Orb Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 200 Spe Impish Nature - Roost - Toxic - Acrobatics - Earthquake Clefable @ Leftovers Ability: Unaware EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD Bold Nature - Moonblast - Wish - Protect - Heal Bell Zapdos @ Leftovers Ability: Pressure EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 68 SpA / 20 Spe Bold Nature - Thunderbolt - Roost - Defog - Heat Wave I am feeling a bit off on having two Toxic-spreaders on the team, but I guess since I am building a stall team, two is better than one. Any suggestions? Thanks Anti! |
I actually really like toxic teams too so that is exciting to me, thanks guys, so many ideas. i'm gonna try out everything of course though, when learning it is best to sample everything I find, you never know what's gonna suit you
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I don't know if anyone seen this list as it seems you were improving on my first post.. this is all good tho man as i wanna learn everything I can. edit: ah right, I did say bulbasaur, I meant venusaur! lol. . |
So after some thinking and shit I finally got 6 pokes together for the team:
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As great as SubCM Keldeo is I felt like it was not allowing me to fill enough holes, so I replaced it with CM Magic Guard Clefable to hopefully be a stall answer and Lati check. And despite wanting to not use Lando-T initially, I decided that I there probably was nothing better to put in, so there it is. Final slot went to offensive Starmie to spin, sorta check a couple of pokes. So if y'all could take one more look at it that'd be great. Having 3 part Psychic types makes the team Dark/Ghost weak though..... |
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this is ou yeah? gengar would run a mock with the psychics. I can't really give you any advice though as i'm just learning, myself about this stuff. I have a team down now and I'm gonna breed it and then practice. Do I have your friend code added? i don't think we have traded yet but we have the same friends on here I think, I'll add you if you want to practise OU meta with me, I'm game for making teams specifically to counter yours for practice and you do the same to kill my teams. |
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So I'm starting build a team. Right now will be focusing on Dragonite and Jolteon; the former will be a Expreme Speed Multiscale while I'm still determine what role I want to pull off with Jolteon.
Afterwards I want to have a tank on my team, but I never really utilized one before (as surprising as it sounds). |
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Anyway, here are sets you should use for each, but take note that Jolteon is still outclassed: Dragonite: -Dragon Dance -Outrage/Dragon Claw -Earthquake/Fire Punch -Extreme Speed Nature: Adamant EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe Item: Lum Berry Ability: Multiscale or -Outrage -Earthquake/Superpower -Extreme Speed -Fire Punch/Dragon Claw Nature: Adamant EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe Item: Choice Band Ability: Multiscale or -Dragon Claw -Earthquake/Fire Punch -Extreme Speed -Roost Nature: Adamant EVs: 216 HP/64 Atk/228 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Multiscale Jolteon: -Thunderbolt -Volt Switch -Hidden Power (Ice/Grass) -Shadow Ball/Signal Beam Nature: Timid EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs Ability: Volt Absorb As for a tank Pokemon, Ferrothorn, Mega Sableye, Mega Altaria, Therian Landorus, Skarmory, (Mega) Slowbro, Mandibuzz, Clefable, Heatran, Wash Rotom, Sylveon and even Empoleon and Super Size Gourgeist are examples: Ferrothorn: -Stealth Rock/Spikes -Leech Seed -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave -Power Whip/Protect Nature: Relaxed EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell Ability: Iron Barbs Sableye: -Calm Mind -Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball -Will-o-Wisp -Recover Nature: Bold EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef Item: Sablenite Ability: Prankster Mega Altaria: -Return/Hyper Voice -Earthquake/Flamethrower/Perish Song/Roar -Heal Bell -Roost Nature: Impish/Bold EVs: 248 HP/104 Def/156 SDef Item: Altarianite Ability: Natural Cure Therian Landorus: -Stealth Rock -Earthquake -U-turn -Stone Edge/Rock Slide/Knock Off Nature: Impish EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef Item: Leftovers Skarmory: -Roost -Defog -Counter/Brave Bird -Taunt/Whirlwind Nature: Bold/Impish EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef Item: Shed Shell Ability: Sturdy or (cartridge-friendly) -Spikes/Stealth Rock -Whirlwind -Roost -Brave Bird/Taunt Nature: Impish/Bold EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell Ability: Sturdy Slowbro: -Calm Mind -Scald -Psyshock -Slack Off Nature: Bold EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/176 SDef Item: Slowbronite Ability: Regenerator or -Scald -Psyshock/Fire Blast/Ice Beam/Foul Play -Thunder Wave/Toxic -Slack Off Nature: Bold EVs: 252 HP/232 Def/24 SDef Item: Leftovers/Slowbronite Ability: Regenerator or -Calm Mind -Iron Defense -Scald -Slack Off Nature: Bold EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/176 SDef Item: Slowbronite Ability: Regenerator Mandibuzz: -Foul Play -Roost -Taunt/Whirlwind -Defog/Toxic/Knock Off Nature: Bold/Impish EVs: 248 HP/136 Def/108 SDef/16 Spe Item: Leftovers Ability: Overcoat Clefable: -Calm Mind -Moonblast -Flamethrower/Thunder Wave -Soft-Boiled/Moonlight Nature: Calm EVs: 252 HP/172 Def/84 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Magic Guard or -Calm Mind -Moonblast -FlamethrowerHeal Bell/Aromatherapy/Protect -Moonlight/Wish Nature: Bold EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Unaware or -Stealth Rock -Moonblast -Flamethrower/Fire BlastHeal Bell/Thunder Wave -Moonlight Nature: Calm EVs: 252 HP/172 Def/84 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Unaware Heatran: -Lava Plume -Taunt -Toxic -Stealth Rock Nature: Timid EVs: 248 HP/8 SAtk/252 Spe Item: Leftovers or -Lava Plume -Toxic -Taunt/Roar -Stealth Rock/Protect/Earth Power Nature: Calm EVs: 248 HP/192 SDef/68 Spe Item: Leftovers Wash Rotom: -Volt Switch -Hydro Pump -Will-o-Wisp -Pain Split Nature: Bold/Calm EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe (Bold) or 248 HP/216 SDef/44 Spe (Calm) Item: Leftovers Sylveon: -Wish -Protect -Hyper Voice -Heal Bell/Toxic Nature: Bold EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/36 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Pixilate Empoleon: -Defog/Stealth Rock -Toxic/Stealth Rock -Scald -Roar Nature: Calm EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Torrent Gourgeist: -Will-o-Wisp -Leech Seed -Synthesis -Seed Bomb Nature: Impish EVs: 252 HP/160 Def/96 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Frisk |
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Mandibuzz (as much as i hate suggesting it) would probably fit nicely over Starmie who compounds weaknesses with Slowbro as it checks Gengar and stuff like Scizor and Bisharp and can also defog. But yeah team has questionable defensive synergy and being also very slow and not even having priority isnt a good combination. |
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-Hydro Pump/Surf -Draco Meteor -Waterfall -Rain Dance Nature: Mild EVs: 60 Atk/252 SAtk/196 Spe Item: Life Orb Ability: Swift Swim |
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I guess I'm finding it awkward to build anything around this team because, besides Toxicroak, you're essentially providing a bunch of supporting players and glue Pokemon. There are a zillion iterations of Rotom/Land (many including Heatran) and they go off in different directions. I might consider forming an offensive core with Toxicroak (probably but not necessarily with your mega slot) so you can more deliberately build around them. Quote:
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I know I want to build a team loosely centered around sandstorm, but I'm not very experienced at building strategies other than hyper offense, and need a few pointers. I'm thinking I want to go with T-Tar, obvious choice. Thinking of poison heal gliscor as well, but I'm looking for a few ideas to get me going in the right direction for my first themed team. Thanks in advance.
Edit: thinking if running garchomp as well, perhaps aggron but that leaves me with a lot of potential megas |
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Yeah I mean it's hard to give concrete suggestions with the tier in transition but I definitely wouldn't run Donphan. Rain, especially in the absence of Politoed, is all about making use of those Rain turns and keeping pressure on your opponent. Donphan is a tempo killer which is really gonna suck the life out of your team. I wouldn't lose sleep over sticking a spinner in as long as you're not relying too much on Tornadus for Rain or for defensive purposes (hnnng). I maybe consider running some Spex on Torn since Life Orb wears it down a lot. With Jirachi and Raikou gone, at least in theory, Specs Hurricane would really only be taken well by Mega Ampharos and Blissey, with most everything else being 3HKOed if they're lucky. Can be run with Hurricane/U-turn/insert two coverage moves here. Life Orb could work too, and you could still toss Rain Dance on it if you did that so long as you had a more reliable setter. I would definitely consider Grass Knot to hit Suicune since it can burn Swampert and powers up its Scalds with Rain. Torn/Pert has good type synergy offensively and defensively. In terms of support, I would definitely have something that can break well, so Heracross seems fine, in theory. Its big selling point is threatening Suicune and breaking down stall (which Tornadus can sweep in the end-game if you play it well). With that, I would get a reliably Rain support/SR mon (in theory, you want this to have defensive capacity so you can set rain more than once, maybe something like Bronzong idk). Then you'll want a secondary abuser probably (Kingdra or the Toxicroak you had work) and then a glue Pokemon. I've never run Rain w/o Politoed so idk what I'm talking about tbh but I would definitely keep in mind that you're basically by necessity running HO. Quote:
If you're running HO, Gengar can switch into powerful Fairy STABs maybe once and forms a nice balance breaking core with Dragonite. Excadrill can Spin and threaten Fairies with Iron Head, though it seems an awkward fit to me. One mon I think could be really cool which I would throw my recommendation toward is SD/BP/U-turn/Roost Mega Scizor. It has nice type synergy with Dragonite while also actually beating many mons that Nite struggles with (as opposed to just resisting their attacks) and adds another mon with priority. It gives a nice late-game win-con, even with just BP. U-turn isn't necessary, but it lets you keep pressure on Heatran (you'd want at least two teammates that can switch in and/or lure it) and especially Keldeo, where you can go straight into Dragonite and start firing off attacks. Lastly, it fills the defensive niche mentioned above of checking Fairies, even though you'll want secondary checks for Flamethrower Clef, BD Azum, and Altaria. (You really can't be too prepared for Fairies in this meta). Bulky Talon is one such mon, though by no means the only one, that can do this. Raikou can replace Jolteon if you want an Electric. I can't build the whole team for you, but hopefully that's a nice start. |
Actually I've been starting on working a Mega Scizor that can check my Dragonite's weaknesses, and you pretty much outlined what I was planning on doing.
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I was on a stream just a bit ago and we got to talking about a mostly OU attacking wall team that would be super annoying to break but fun to play with. I've got a general idea for the composition of the team but i'm not sure what else to include exactly.
Altaria @ Altarianite 255 Attack, 252 speed, 4 Spdef Adamant Return Dragonclaw Dragon Dance Roost Slowbro @ Leftovers 255 HP, 252 Defense, 4 spdef Bold, Regeneration Slack Off Psyshock Calm Mind Scald Registeel @ Rocky Helmet 255 HP, 160 Attack, rest in spdef, Adamant Stealth Rocks Earth Quake Ice Punch Draining Punch Chansey @ Eviolite 255 HP, 252 Defense, 4 spdef, Bold Toxic Softboiled Seismic Toss Heal Bell Thundurus @ ((not sure what should be on it)) 255 Spattack, 252 Speed, 4 HP Thunder Wave Taunt Volt Switch Focus Blast Thats about as far as i've gotten on it and i'm not even sure this is exactly what i want to do with it. I've gone back and forth on using either Mega Metagross, Slowbro, or Altaria. Altaria ended up being what i chose for its bulkiness and it being a physical attacker with the ability to heal itself. The idea behind Thundorus was to give me the ability to have +1 Thunder Waves and Taunts for setup pokes. Maybe Gengar for the 6th slot? Gives me a bit more steel coverage with Focuss Blast and he can have Will o wisp since it isn't on anything else. |
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Been trying to get into Doubles lately... Here's something I came up with.
Can't seem to find the right mega, Tried Scizor and Beedrill. They work sometimes but... are... Eh. I wanted to try M - Sableye but not sure how that would work. Spoiler:
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So I havnt really got the time to work on this a lot and I still can't find a suitable sixth member, I needed something that could lure Rotom wash in, and elf suggested staraptor but sadly I saw my whole team was walled skarmory and hence tried power herb solar beam Heatran, but it didn't really help much and the team didn't really do that well. Hope u guys could help. |
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