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I honestly think that Gen 1 is horrible
The outdated battle mechanics make the games really unplayable in today's standards, and not to mention how horrendous the sprites from R/B are.
This is all my opinion though, so feel free to disagree. |
Oh, I don't necessarily disagree with you, and I'm a fan of the games. RBY had glitchy, broken mechanics, and RB really did have some horrible (if sometimes charming) sprites. Even GSC were a huge graphical and mechanical upgrade over that, which is partially why they were so well-received.
This, of course, is why Gen 1 could really use a new, proper remake. If there's any Gen that could benefit the most from a full modern makeover, it's this one. I'll admit that I still enjoy playing classic Yellow, but unless you grew up with the games, it's hard to get around their age. (Plus, even I've always wanted a Gen 1 that had things like Day/Night, Berry trees, newer Pokémon, and graphics that didn't make me wince). |
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I agree and somewhat disagree. I don't think Gen 1 needs another remake, because I was happy enough with Fire Red. However, I wouldn't mind remakes. |
I also agree. the Generation 1 sprites look horrendous. But whats worst is that they didn't need to look ugly, especially the back sprites. Nintendo has made amazing sprites before on game boy and the game boy also handle more detailed back sprites. I understand Gamefreak might've been new to it, but their backgrounds look great.
But there is a hacked ROM that gives the game gen 2 color and gen 2 sprites. Which actually makes Gen 1 shine even more. The trees look great, better than Gen 2's in my opinion. http://hax.iimarck.us/topic/3399/ http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af339/MrStewart950/Pokemon%20Red/bgb00005_zps9e910935.png http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af339/MrStewart950/Pokemon%20Red/bgb00005_zps22b94149.png http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af339/MrStewart950/Pokemon%20Red/bgb00006_zpsa45f9c92.png http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af339/MrStewart950/Pokemon%20Red/bgb00005_zps216854a7.png http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6748/greensand.png |
You can't judge a 15+ year old game by today's standards...It's the series that started it all, and was good for its time
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yes, it started it all, it still deserves flak. I've seen better sprites from games that are 20 years older. |
Nostalgia makes everything good. and it is still addictive. Also Pokemon centers were great.
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Nostalgia is based within one's mind. Its all subjective.
Just like Mario Bros live action movie. We shouldn't ignore our better judgement and we shouldn't blame modern times for a game that could have definitely looked more impressive especially with the games weve been seeing release at the time. |
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I'd love to see a Yellow hack that did something similar. Yellow was already compatible with GBC pallets out of the box, so it theoretically, shouldn't take too much to make it resemble GSC (Yellow and GS even used the exact same kind of GBC-enhanced GB cartridge, called a "black cartridge"). Plus, Yellow has more features than RB and much nicer tilesets, IMO. |
I loved Gen one in the late 90's and early 00's when I played it, but in all honesty now I don't find it as engaging as I don't really like Kanto and find the graphics a bit poor and the limitation of 151 pokemon, lack of genders, ability, natures, Dark, Steel and Fairy to restrictive.
On the plus side Yellow is pretty unique with Pikachu and the anime connections. |
I'm sure you're not the only person who feels this way about Generation I today, but to be brutally honest i'm not one of them. I mean, I would still rather play FRLG than them, but they're not quite my least favorites. Although I feel like I should try playing them again before I claim this...
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To me the games are just as great as today's ones, judging by the gameplay and the storyline. It's the core of the game that counts, though color would be good on that game.
I dislike gen 1 for another reason, I didn't really like the pokémons, with a few exceptions of course. I just find the region not as appealing with it's characters, but that could be just me. And that's the first I look at really when dealing with this kind of things. The story was best though and I really liked what they did on that. |
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Hey I'm playimg firered atm, what would have been good was being able to travel to johto after defeating the elite four and getting 60 pokemon.
This is my first post :) Hey everyone. |
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To be honest, FRLG piss me off far more than RBY ever could because of how badly they failed to live up to potential in every single way. I think they're the only set of games that actually removed more things than added new ones, and what few new things they added were absolutely pitiful. (Hello, small useless islands!) These games actually felt less modern than even GSC, which is just sad. |
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http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/2/23/Spr_1b_042.pnghttp://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/2/23/Spr_1b_042.png I do believe that these games, while they may not be up to today's standards deserve a modicum of respect. If the games sucked as much as you say they do, then they would have fizzled out, no one would have played them and we'd all be on a different forum altogether. Besides, would it not have been best to have put this in the Gen 1 section? Or are you comparing the first generation games to the second generation games specifically. There are just as many people that dislike the second generation as much as the first generation, mind you. . . although they're wrong and it's the third generation that wonked things up but that's besides the point. The point is those Golbats will find you for insulting them, and when they do I don't think they'll give you any mercy. |
Played Yellow recently. While it's not bad, I laughed when I saw how bad Pikachu looked from the back. Just a hilarious mess of pixels. At least replace the back art of the main damn pokemon with a nice one lol.
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Just in this department, alone, GSC were a huge improvement. I love RBY hacks that use Gen 2 back sprites for this very reason. |
Were the backsprites in RBY bad by today's standards? Yes.
Were they bad by the standards of the 1990s? As previously mentioned, they weren't great. But does that make the games unplayable? Obviously, that's a very personal question, but I still enjoy RBY, even if they aren't my favorite games in the series. I guess I've never cared that much about graphics vs. everything else, so the backsprites don't really bother me. Give my blob of pixels a nickname, and I'll still quickly become attached to it. And with simpler graphics and animations, the original games play more quickly than some of the later generations (especially gen 4--battles were so slow in that generation), which makes it faster and easier to jump into the action and immerse oneself in the pixelated world of Pokemon. As for the mechanics, which seem to be the more relevant part of this topic, they are reasonably simple compared with modern gameplay. I personally like returning to the days when I could battle anyone I wanted with my party and not worry about messing up a perfect EV spread, but when it comes to competitive play, gen I certainly gives players a more limited set of options than some of the later generations. It's kind of nice to get away from held items and natures and the physical/special split every once in a while, though, as the changes have made for a very different metagame than the one we see today. While I've never really played gen I competitively (aside from on Stadium, but there, I pretty much just brought my in-game team in or used the not-too-good rentals), it's fun to have a different set of viable options at my disposal than the ones I use today. Yes, gen I battling is probably less balanced than gen 6 battling, but it's fun in its own way, and I don't find it unplayable. I still enjoy firing up my N64 and playing some Stadium, or watching/playing the occasional gen I match on Showdown or another battle simulator of choice. Though I knew nothing of competitive battling when I first played through Red, I've read a lot of gen I related articles over the years, and it's actually quite an interesting game. One of the elements I find most intriguing about gen I is actually the thing that scared me most about it when it was a kid: glitches. The games are obviously incredibly glitchy, to the point where I sometimes wonder how I initially managed to play them without making something go wrong. I remember first learning about the Missingno glitch, showing my friends, and then being terrified that they would trade me a glitch Pokemon and mess up my game. But as I've come to understand the various glitches in RBY more thoroughly, I've come to appreciate how relatively simple code could create a series that brought me hours of enjoyment in my childhood, and how easily something in that process could go wrong. As a relatively inexperienced programmer, the coding of the newer games is too complex for me to really get my head around without more effort, but RBY are simple enough that when I read an explanation of why each glitch occurs, it makes sense. Thus, I enjoy returning to RBY not only for the nostalgia and for the differences in gameplay and mechanics, but for the hopes of discovering why the game operates exactly as it does, and how GameFreak built (and sometimes messed up) this foundational chapter of my Pokemon experience. That being said, while I still think that playing RBY has value, it does seem like high time for another remake (or perhaps a sequel set primarily in Kanto). I personally like Kanto (it's probably my second-favorite region, after Johto), and I feel like it could definitely be fleshed out a bit more with XY graphics and mechanics. A Yellow remake seems unlikely to ever happen, since it was so tied in with the anime, but given the recent game-per-year trend, an RB remake doesn't seem out of the question. |
I agree with most of what you said, Imperator.
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As for Yellow vs RB, I'd accept another paired game remake, but only if A) we get Blue instead of Green (which has zero nostalgia for anyone outside of Japan), and B) Yellow elements are mixed in (like HGSS included Crystal elements). |
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Tbh. I really like the simplistic design of the games, which also includes the sprites. There will never be a Pokemon game that's as close to the original concept of Pokemon and yet so simplistic, than the gen 1 games. No fancy movesets, no powercreep, no stupid timelines (sorry, but I really don't care about which games come before or after whatever game and what game is in which dimension, etc. pp.) and other mechanics that made the games more complicated. Granted, the first games where coded and balanced terribly, which lead to a lot of problems, something that fortunately was fixed in later games. But they still have their own charme which makes me want to play them again once in a while. |
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Regardless people defend Gen 1 as if their talking to people who have no idea how it was like. For example, the argument of "simplistic" sprites. I really hate getting into this topic when it comes to gen 1 because people who defend always say why they think its the problem. The problem isnt "simplistic", the sprites have always been simplistic even from Gen 2. In fact, a lot of the sprites in Gen 1 tried too hard.to be detailed. Rather than allowing the colors to contrast, they attempted to add in as many shades as possible. Unlike gen 2, which only added two colors not including black and white. I admit Gen 1 has some charm....and that is story, anything else is just nostalgia. I cant even help myself to even try to complete the pokedex. Every pokemon I saw, I was disgusted with it. http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/216/1/9/blastoise__made_to_print_fit__by_dnzgames-d59n5ge.png This is not simple....but ill say this, if they took more time figuring out their designs, proportions, and how much shading they should use, then yes simplicity wouldve saved the sprites. Keep in mind pokemon itself is the driving force of the game. And keep in mind that pokemon gen 1 has some poorly designed pokemon. Playing the gen 2 mod of pokemon red/blue enhances the game significantly. |
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I love the retro Pokémon games though, so if someone was looking for an experience SOMEWHAT closer to a modern Pokémon game, I'd definitely recommend GSC. The colours are amazing, the music is outstanding, and the battle system is drastically improved in a number of ways. |
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