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KorpiklaaniVodka January 30th, 2015 6:13 AM

500,000 websites still use Windows 2000
 
http://www.neowin.net/news/thousands-of-websites-are-hosted-by-windows-xp-but-500000-still-use-windows-2000

Windows 2000 was released to manufacturing in December 1999 and to the general public in February 2000, and lost support in July 2010. Which means Win2000 is a 15 year-old OS, considered obsolete at this point. 50,000 websites use the even older Windows NT 4.0, released in 1996.

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Alexander Nicholi January 30th, 2015 7:40 AM

I've used 2000 DC Server. 16 colours and CRT resolutions ftw



Honestly though it's probably just businesses with lacking IT support who're reluctant to upgrade. It'd probably be easier to upgrade if they were using Linux like every site worth anything nowadays, too. smh

donavannj January 30th, 2015 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret (Post 8600169)
Honestly though it's probably just businesses with lacking IT support who're reluctant to upgrade. It'd probably be easier to upgrade if they were using Linux like every site worth anything nowadays, too. smh

We use Windows IIS because it's what we're familiar with and, as a 3 person shop supporting 4 physical sites for lots of stuff, we don't really have time to delve too deep into getting familiar Linux distros.

That said, we definitely are not stuck on 2000 or even NT. We try to keep as far ahead of support drop dates as reasonably possible.

Granted, the article in the OP is about a year out of date... so a few of those sites could have been migrated by now.

Alexander Nicholi January 30th, 2015 9:29 AM

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Originally Posted by donavannj (Post 8600220)
We use Windows IIS because it's what we're familiar with and, as a 3 person shop supporting 4 physical sites for lots of stuff, we don't really have time to delve too deep into getting familiar Linux distros.

Ahh, the old familiarity reasoning… it’s the only one I ever see hold up as to why one would use IIS. “We’ve already been using it.” Well, why did you start back when, then? lol

Linux is loads easier to work with than IIS from what I’ve seen. It’s really simple and elegant – there are a few SSH commands you end up memorizing and then there’s SFTP… there are how-tos for setting up HTTP environments which I admittedly still follow today… building from source of course. The Yum repos have stable LAMP stacks which are as easy to get as a couple commands. You ought to try it out. Maybe you’ll like it, no?

Legendary Silke January 30th, 2015 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret (Post 8600256)
Ahh, the old familiarity reasoning… it’s the only one I ever see hold up as to why one would use IIS. “We’ve already been using it.” Well, why did you start back when, then? lol

Linux is loads easier to work with than IIS from what I’ve seen. It’s really simple and elegant – there are a few SSH commands you end up memorizing and then there’s SFTP… there are how-tos for setting up HTTP environments which I admittedly still follow today… building from source of course. The Yum repos have stable LAMP stacks which are as easy to get as a couple commands. You ought to try it out. Maybe you’ll like it, no?

I still can't really comment on the pros and cons of server software, but I find IIS Express to be something that is delightfully easy to setup when it comes to testing my own personal site on my own laptop. It's separate from the real IIS, mind you, and is primarily for development purposes (which I am), so I do wonder how it's like to setup the real deal.

donavannj January 30th, 2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret (Post 8600256)
Ahh, the old familiarity reasoning… it’s the only one I ever see hold up as to why one would use IIS. “We’ve already been using it.” Well, why did you start back when, then? lol

Linux is loads easier to work with than IIS from what I’ve seen. It’s really simple and elegant – there are a few SSH commands you end up memorizing and then there’s SFTP… there are how-tos for setting up HTTP environments which I admittedly still follow today… building from source of course. The Yum repos have stable LAMP stacks which are as easy to get as a couple commands. You ought to try it out. Maybe you’ll like it, no?

To answer that first point: General availability of free support documentation due to either Microsoft or the sheer number of other IIS using techs for either internal or external sites (ours is mostly used for interfacing with internal systems; we contract out for hosting and design on our customer-facing sites). Also because Windows Server is better documented for free and more widely supported and used (and we have a sizable number of keys for it due to MSDN). We don't have time to be fussing about with why a distro specific error is happening if there's no documentation on the issue.

Time constraints is why on that second point, really. Plus, IIS isn't as difficult as some people claim it is, hence why so many do use it and its predecessors.

Alexander Nicholi January 30th, 2015 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by donavannj (Post 8600291)
To answer that first point: General availability of free support documentation due to either Microsoft or the sheer number of other IIS using techs for either internal or external sites (ours is mostly used for interfacing with internal systems; we contract out for hosting and design on our customer-facing sites). Also because Windows Server is better documented for free and more widely supported and used (and we have a sizable number of keys for it due to MSDN). We don't have time to be fussing about with why a distro specific error is happening if there's no documentation on the issue.

Time constraints is why on that second point, really. Plus, IIS isn't as difficult as some people claim it is, hence why so many do use it and its predecessors.

Linux has a lot more documentation than IIS. It’s Linux, there are countless websites, blogs, and how-tos to do pretty much anything imaginable.

Distribution-specific errors are only a concern if you’re using a nobody distro. And… why would you do that? Also I don’t understand where you’re coming from with time constraints.

Not to mention paying money for something that has a better-documented, easier, faster, free alternative just… doesn’t make any sense to me. I’m sure Express is missing some bells and whistles too.

Tsutarja January 30th, 2015 10:44 AM

I was an IIS user from 2010-2013, when I took my personal page offline indefinitely. IIS is by far one of the easiest server components I have ever set up, and to add to that, it has a nice graphical interface and easy navigation.

With that in mind, let's please try not to derail the topic any further. If you want to discuss IIS or any web server applications, please take that to a new topic.

Legendary Silke January 30th, 2015 10:50 AM

Sometimes it does make me shudder, if only for a bit, on how some old software persist to this very day.

Pendraflare January 30th, 2015 11:09 AM

This is kinda weird to think about to be honest, I know that some college and even private school computers used XP for a while even when Windows Vista had been released, but if we knew where these places were, then maybe it'd be understandable, but alas.

Alexander Nicholi January 30th, 2015 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8600312)
I was an IIS user from 2010-2013, when I took my personal page offline indefinitely. IIS is by far one of the easiest server components I have ever set up, and to add to that, it has a nice graphical interface and easy navigation.

With that in mind, let's please try not to derail the topic any further. If you want to discuss IIS or any web server applications, please take that to a new topic.

Sorry about that, I was acting like this was General Chat. d:

Businesses can be really ignorant about IT. Like the whole thing about having paper copies of everything digital, we have websites still running Server 2000. I think no one’s to blame – it’s just lost to bureaucracy.

Only my first high school, FFCHS, had Windows 7 going on all their PCs. I got an inside look at the school’s IT department and they were working on new laptops with 8.1 and SSDs, with multi-image drives for imaging. All the other schools I was at had ancient computers running XP on severely dated ThinkCentres that looked like they hadn’t seen a dust rag in thirty years… achoo!

KorpiklaaniVodka January 30th, 2015 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret (Post 8600349)
Sorry about that, I was acting like this was General Chat. d:

Businesses can be really ignorant about IT. Like the whole thing about having paper copies of everything digital, we have websites still running Server 2000. I think no one’s to blame – it’s just lost to bureaucracy.

Only my first high school, FFCHS, had Windows 7 going on all their PCs. I got an inside look at the school’s IT department and they were working on new laptops with 8.1 and SSDs, with multi-image drives for imaging. All the other schools I was at had ancient computers running XP on severely dated ThinkCentres that looked like they hadn’t seen a dust rag in thirty years… achoo!

When I was in elementary school, we had Pentium 4's running at 3.0 Ghz and 256 MB of RAM, complete with Windows XP. Without SP3.

Meanwhile in Romania 70% of all companies still use Windows 2000/XP.


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