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Betty, concerning you saying that Lance is easy is very subjective. He may be easy to you because you took the time to grind levels and make a counter for him, but when I fought him I barely freaking made it through. Of course that's because my team was in the late 30s-mid 40s level wise and I didn't take the time to grind, but still I barely made it through with the skin of my teeth! It's easy if you meticulously plan around defeating him but if your team isn't overused Pokemon and you don't have a designed counter you're still gonna have some problems. I'm not saying he's easy OR hard; just saying that difficulty is high subjective and dependent on what team you have and what levels your team is at. Obviously it's gonna be a lot harder when your team consists of lesser mons. Come to think of it I don't really see you arguing much about Wallace or Steven despite them specializing in Water and Rock respectively. Sure it's not 3 mons of the same species but their team has shared weaknesses between Pokemon that can easily be exploited.
With that said however this gen is VERY similar to Gen III, and I've noticed Pokemon tends to be quite cyclical. There's an advancement phase where they're testing out new concepts, a more polished phase where they improve upon things and introduce good concepts, and a phase where they leave some previously liked things out and everything goes stale. The first have of Gen IV is very similar to Gen I, where they're testing out new concepts and basically designing an entire engine from scratch, and it tended to be bare bones and have an entire assortment from glitches much like the first gen Pokemon games did. The later half of Gen IV and Gen V is a lot like Gen II where they're taking everything good from the previous games and building up on it, and adding things that generally improve the franchise as a whole, like day/night for Gen II and seasons for Gen V. Gen VI is similar to Gen III in that even though it's polished they removed some things from the previous games while adding nothing in return, and in general it feels stale. Pokemon X and Y didn't have seasons or anything to really make the game immersive, and while they had models the models are lifeless compared to the vibrant animated sprites of Gen V. It's very similar to Gen III where the day/night cycle was cut and Pokemon weren't animated for the most part, where in Crystal they were animated, and until Emerald came along there wasn't really much added to the games even though they were 16-bit and colorful. Pokemon X and Y are a very good example of this, as even though they're pretty, that's all they are; they're pretty stale in comparison to Pokemon Heartgold or Pokemon Black. ORAS I think is like this too; it's a remake but for me it's inadequate due to them leaving things out that should have been there, and having no endgame besides a tiny little island and a small quest to justify you getting Deoxys, and it has similar problems to X/Y in terms of framerate and not properly utilizing the 3D feature. |
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Morty's team in GSC was less varied than Agatha's, but it served its purpose. Even with just the Gastly line, Ghost is a tricky type to get rid of at that point in the game. Alakazam is a double-edged sword because Gengar can fight you back (you don't have access to Psychic early on). Quote:
I like Will's roster because he deviates from the Psychic-type specialist paradigm that dictates he/she must have Alakazam or something like that. As much as I love Alakazam, it gets boring if all specialists use it (Sabrina and Lucian, for example). Kingdra is pretty much the only strong Pokémon Clair has, too. Dragonair is decent but more because of its type than its power. Quote:
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As for Steven, his team isn't actually mono-Steel, but he does, at least, have three unique fully-evolved Steel types, and you actually can't sweep his entire team with only one or two moves. (The non-Steel types and Aggron aren't weak to Fire, the non-Steel types and Skarmory aren't weak to Ground, Skarmory, Claydol, and Metagross aren't weak to Fighting, and so on). But, Lance? First of all, despite supposedly being a Dragon trainer, his team is actually mono-Flying. Yeah, I know that GSC didn't have many Dragons, but seriously? Couldn't they have found some non-Flying "pseudo-Dragons" to give him? And, what about Kingdra? Even worse, his entire team is weak to Rock (Charizard 4x), as well as the popular BoltBeam combo (with Gyarados and the Dragonites being 4x weak). The only thing that kept him from being a total pushover was Rock Slide, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt not being readily-available TMs. (And, I say this as someone who otherwise loves his character.) Quote:
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As for the others, Ampharos is good against half of his team, but Typhlosion can't really do anything to his Pokémon, and neither Gyarados or Togetic were good in Gen 2 (the former lacked the P/S Split and the latter lacked its evolution). Rocky might have worked if you had access to Steelix (and a RBY game where it could learn Rock Slide as an Onix). Quote:
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As for using the Pokemon I did, I just liked them and used them because of that. I always liked Togetic, and even beat the Elite Four with one playing SoulSilver even though I didn't have access to its evolution yet (thanks Extrasensory!) Rocky though was stuck as an Onix the whole time because while I have Red and Blue in addition to Silver I lacked two Game Boys and a Link Cable for said Game Boys, making his evolution impossible. Still he wasn't too bad, as he was a very good wall and had Sandstorm to boot. As for unfavorable matchups, it's not the worst one ever. Heck I almost soloed Giovanni with a Butterfree once. I regret nothing. I really should train Venomoth more though. I've only used it once, and it's a decent enough Pokemon that learns Psychic naturally despite being a Poison type. Quote:
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As I said, it's a shame that Ice Beam wasn't a TM in this Gen, because that really put a crimp on what you could use as an Ice attacker. (It actually forced you to use *gasp* actual Ice types!) Assuming that you had no trading access, Ice Punch was a TM (and still a Special move), so Kadabra and Slowbro made good use of it. You could've also tried a Nidoroyal or Golduck for something a little less conventional. Jynx got it naturally and off of a solid 115 Special Attack if you wanted to go that way. As for Ice Beam, your only options without RBY tradebacks or Crystal were Dewgong (L43), Lapras (L36), and Octillery (L54). Dewgong is pretty awful, and Remoraid isn't exactly the easiest Pokémon to find, so Lapras is probably the best one (although Octillery does have a better Sp. Attack and wider natural movepool). Quote:
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A part of me feels like GF used ORAS as a substitute for a XY Third Version or prequel/sequel, because the entire point of making Mega Evolution such a huge part of Hoenn's story (especially in the Delta Episode) seems to serve no other purpose than to tie up loose ends in XY and patch up any poor, inconsistent writing (aka. what Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, and B2W2 did). I hope this doesn't mean that Gen 6 will end with just XY and ORAS, but this, combined with Masuda's comments about doing a XY Third Version or sequel, makes it seem likely. :sideways: |
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They should've done the same thing with XY, hit the reset button and go all the way back to the beginning of the timeline. Then, ORAS wouldn't have needed to explain away nearly as many inconsistencies. Quote:
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My god Game Freak you really broke things now. Unless there is some justification for the future Pokemon being missing the whole dang timeline is screwed. Maybe Timeline B is a broken timeline after all. All these temporal paradoxes have got to be doing damage to the timeline. |
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As an aside, it's technically Timeline C, as Timeline A is RBY/GSC and Timeline B is RSE/FRLG/DPP/HGSS/BW/B2W2. I've heard talk about Gen 7 being a "return to simplicity," so that could possibly mean a return to either of the older timelines. Doing that, of course, would mean no more remakes for good (although, a DPP or BW/2 one that takes place on the same timeline as RBY/GSC could still potentially work), as well as the possible removal of Mega Evolutions from the games. Another possible out would be to hit the reset button in Gen 7 with XY prequels that take place at the same time as Gens 1 and 3 (thus, paving the way for Gen 1 remakes) and establish XY as being part of a different timeline from ORAS. It's not a perfect fix, but it cleans things up well enough. (Of course, that could mean, yet, another game that's centered around Mega Evolution...) |
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Problem is, D/P/Pl takes place a couple of months before HG/SS, which takes place 3 years after RSE and Fr/Lg. You can't really have D/P remakes taking place chronologically at the same time as ORAS because Looker would have to be in two places at once, and you can't put B2/W2 at the same time as Gold and Silver because those games took place two years after Black and White, which took place an estimated 2-5 years after Gold and Silver. You'd be circumventing Black and White entirely, which royally screws everything up. There's just no easy way to fix things other than erasing Pokemon X and Y from continuity, and even then it would be a mess because Zinnia would still be referencing X/Y's lore, and all of Kalos's Pokemon have to come from somewhere. Game Freak wrote themselves into a corner, and we COULD have games from the other timelines except they'd have to include Mega Evolution for continuity's sake (and to avoid the fanbase busting into flames,) and Mega Evolution doesn't exist in Timelines A and B. (I admit that was real silly of me, not taking into place the timeline in which R/B/Y and G/S/C take place in... I wish we'd revisit that timeline sometime in the future.) The only real option is to have remakes that have Mega Evolution in them, and that means possibly adding new Pokemon and having them vanish in the future because they didn't exist when X and Y were made. It's a dang catch-22, as they're screwed no matter what they do. If they add more Pokemon, they're in trouble. If they don't, they're in trouble. If they make remakes, they're in trouble. If they don't, they're in trouble. If they omit Mega Evolution they're in trouble, and if they add it they're in trouble. I wish Mega Evolution was never made a story point, because all the problems we're looking at are caused because Mega Evolution only exists in one timeline and does not exist in the others. They should have just made it a minor thing, and even then it would have caused problems because then we'd be asking why the villainous teams never use it. |
There is an easy fix, bring back the time capsule and have it be exclusive to some regions but not others. Like Gen VII could focus on Time travel and such.
Anyways in the sales department ORAS is still doing pretty well. |
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Problem is, if there was a remake of say, Diamond and Pearl, that was made during Gen VII, the new Pokemon would be added to the National Dex of both games for continuity's sake, as you would not be able to fully complete the dex without those additions. The snarl doesn't come from the fact that the Pokemon didn't exist in ORAS; it would make some sense because Diamond and Pearl take place roughly 2 1/2 years later. The problem comes from the fact that X and Y take place several years after Diamond and Pearl, at the same time Black 2 and White 2 were happening. They should have already discovered these Pokemon, but didn't, and since they're in the same continuity as ORAS and the presumed remakes it means these Pokemon that were discovered were forgotten about or vanished entirely. We already have this problem concerning the Mega Evolutions; there's absolutely no excuse why some Mega Evolutions like Mega Pidgeot and Mega Diancie would vanish over the course of 6-8 years. If X and Y took place in the past it would make sense but they don't, and in this case the Time Capsule wouldn't help matters because it's not the past versions that have the problem; it's the future games where these things should exist, but for some reason do not. In this generation we have two games that takes place in the future (Pokemon X and Y) and two games that take place in the past (ORAS). Since they didn't employ a Time Capsule for those versions, they probably won't implement it in Gen VII. |
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Anyways this is getting off topic so back to ORAS and 'History' repeating itself. I wouldn't say ORAS are repeating the same path RS had. I say this as unlike RS during Gen III ORAS seems to be more or as popular as the Gen I and II remakes while RS weren't liked by Gen I or II fans as much...or even not at all... |
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With that said, I think the dissonance has to do with nostalgia. Back when R/S/E came out most people who played it grew up with R/B/Y and G/S/C, and they didn't like it because it wasn't as good as those games. The kids who grew up with R/S/E though liked it, and as the older fans became more sporadic the demand for an R/S/E remake grew, because they wanted the game they grew up with. Personally I grew up in the third generation and loved the games to death, and you couldn't get me to play ORAS if you gave me a million dollars. To me, they changed too much of what made the originals great without adding anything in return, ironically much like the third gen games were like in comparison to Gen II. |
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From where they were going with XY, it would've made far more sense for ORAS to be sequels set during B2W2/XY's time, possibly also paired with a Virtual Console release of RSE. Then, they could've put Megas and Fairies in Hoenn without having to introduce another alternate timeline (which was mostly done in the first place to explain why Megas and Fairies were in Hoenn, but not Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh, and Unova), and the continuity of the games wouldn't have been nearly as broken. If this was the case, it's unclear why GF scrapped the sequel plans for a remake (although, the 3DS's issues with emulating GBA games may have been a factor; without RSE fresh in memory and readily available, a sequel couldn't have worked nearly as well). Quote:
It started to change by the late 2000s when Pokémania reached its 10th anniversary and the original fans were all now 17-22 years old (a time when you start to care less about peer pressure and looking "grownup"). People started whipping their old cartridges out and getting nostalgic, and they were eventually rewarded in the form of HGSS. That exact same thing would eventually happen with the younger Gen 3-era fans later on, and ORAS were their reward. |
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As for the Mega Evolutions... well it does seem strange that there's not very many new evolutions for Hoenn Pokemon. Instead they're for Pokemon obtainable in the Kalos region like Pidgeot and Beedrill. You'd figure there'd be some Mega Evolutions for more Hoenn Pokemon that can easily be found there, not Kalos natives. |
That's kinda just how fandoms are, if there is a flaw or something a select group of people don't like, then it will be criticized and whatever they're complaining about will (not always, sometimes it really can be that bad) be exaggerated.
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