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Polar Spectrum February 22nd, 2015 5:49 PM

^ Thanks for that; definitely something I forgot to consider actually - the super effective stab foul play off its own attack. Lawl. Please; somebody - get a replay where a poocheyna with focus sash takes down mega metagross with foul play. Please.

Zeffy February 22nd, 2015 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8627370)
I've been hearing controversy from /vp/, regarding Mega Metagross's suspect test, that hundreds of anti-ban votes are either deleted by Smogon mods for being "off-topic" or the person casting their vote had their right to vote revoked for zero reason except for disagreeing with Smogon.

Voting has not yet started so this is obviously false. I wouldn't trust 4chan to be very honest, especially since they're known for causing unneeded tension allover the internet. :x

Pendraflare February 22nd, 2015 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum (Post 8629549)
^ Thanks for that; definitely something I forgot to consider actually - the super effective stab foul play off its own attack. Lawl. Please; somebody - get a replay where a poocheyna with focus sash takes down mega metagross with foul play. Please.

Oh my god that'd be the funniest thing ever x3

But yeah, Mandibuzz would need Stealth Rock off the field to be mindful of it, and Metagross would have to be Mega Evolved before it comes out.

Zeffy March 7th, 2015 4:56 AM

So MMetagross stays in OU.

It was really close though. 2.7% away from supermajority. This was expected (the close votes, to be precise), to be honest. Your thoughts?

Nah March 7th, 2015 4:59 AM

Whoa, it really didn't get enough votes to get banned? Was really expecting it to get banned cuz everything that's been suspected in OU this gen has been banned. So I guess we'll see how things go now....

Zeffy March 7th, 2015 5:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8645557)
Was really expecting it to get banned cuz everything that's been suspected in OU this gen has been banned.

Previous suspect test results aren't exactly the best basis in determining the result of future suspect tests, you know.

I guess Mega Gardevoir isn't going to make it's major debut after all.

Nah March 7th, 2015 5:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeffy (Post 8645559)
Previous suspect test results aren't exactly the best basis in determining the result of future suspect tests, you know.

Yeah, I know. It's just that the majority of people seemed so adamant about banning it and when everything else previously suspected in OU this gen has been banned, what seemed to be the most likely outcome was Mega Meta getting banned. Thought that the ban-train wasn't gonna end quite yet. But it did.

Detox March 7th, 2015 5:41 AM

I pretty much figured that the decision would be close either way it went. This was probably somewhat influenced by people bandwagoning the (bad) argument that if MegaGross was banned, the metagame would be dominated by fairy types...which just simply is not true lol. Either way, I’m eehhhh on it staying, and I think I would have preferred the metagame more if it was gone. It’s all good though, It will be suspect tested again and booted out of the tier.

Now about Mega Slowbro...

Pendraflare March 7th, 2015 5:50 AM

Oh boy. This was one I really thought could go either way, and it turned out to be the one that keeps it here. Mega Metagross is one that has answers to it, although I was expecting it to get the boot in the long run. So let's see what happens as it remains here.

srinator March 7th, 2015 7:23 AM

i think landorus deserves a suspect before slowbro, but hnnnnnnnnng slowbro.
also i am p sure they will have to suspect mmeta again in the future.

Anti March 7th, 2015 8:06 AM

just gonna say i predicted this go me go me i am great etc

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Originally Posted by srinator (Post 8645671)
i think landorus deserves a suspect before slowbro, but hnnnnnnnnng slowbro.
also i am p sure they will have to suspect mmeta again in the future.

really agree about another suspect when there is a ton of precedent for that very thing (dpp latias being an obvious example, but shaymin-s, garchomp, and manaphy also got multiple tests) and i think this is a mon that is plenty broken such that the 57% pro-ban majority isn't just going to go away. even so, for the time being, the process is the process, and for all we know the metagame could better adapt to meta. not like i see it happening, but whatever.

anyway as for other mons i definitely want mega slowbro around if mega metagross is going to be (broken checking broken but metagross is way worse), landorus is suspect worthy but i'm not sold on its ban by any stretch. mega sableye's bandwagon has collapsed but that's probably a suspect worthy mon in a lebron-like transition where it gets shat on so much that its perception actually underrates it a bit, which will almost certainly reverse at some point (as it did with lebron).

#basketballanalogies

anyway yeah this mon was not only borked but it's like the 16th most used mon in ou but the single best/most powerful. i would probably be less annoyed about building for it to insane degrees if it showed up on more than 1/8 of teams but yolo. effing mega evolutions man lol

Pendraflare March 7th, 2015 10:04 AM

Oh great, people think Mega Slowbro might get the check next? Although that monster Defense is worth noting, and unlike Steelix and Aggron, has feasible Special Defense to back it up at least since it can learn Calm Mind. (And no critical hits don't help...)

PlatinumDude March 7th, 2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pendraflare (Post 8645843)
Oh great, people think Mega Slowbro might get the check next? Although that monster Defense is worth noting, and unlike Steelix and Aggron, has feasible Special Defense to back it up at least since it can learn Calm Mind. (And no critical hits don't help...)

Mega Slowbro's (unboosted) Special Defense is equal to Mega Aggron's and lower than Mega Steelix's. The latter two can also afford to go specially defensive, as they have good special resistances.

skyburial March 7th, 2015 11:35 AM

As a Mega Slowbro user, I'd be bummed if I didn't get to keep using it in Prism League, but as a wall, it's stupid difficult to break unless you happen to run Gastrodon, Cradily, or something else with Storm Drain. Oh, and Zekrom beat mine with Serperior once I think.

I wonder how it would do as a Wonder Room sometimes (singles only though)

Dark Azelf March 7th, 2015 1:37 PM

I dont think there is a strong enough pro ban camp enough for Slowbro mega.

Honestly it has its issues (status, strong special attackers still annihilating even it after a cm, stuff like CB Tar and grass types exist still so its kinda your fault for not running one/some of these things plus it has shit coverage if you use CroBro lol.) i feel its actually good for the metagame in that it counter balances offense in some ways, the same with Sableye. Defensive teams do not have alot to play with this gen so i honestly feel mega bro is healthy (as far as megas go >_>) in that it forces offense to actually adapt to something without just mindlessly spamming pokemon with move which it usually does, same with mega Sableye. Heaven forbid offence has to THINK when teambuilding about strong defensive threats! Its crit blocking i feel is also healthy for the meta because unlike Suicune, you cant noobishly spam moves and hope they crit eventually which is hilariously what people actually do and just get crushed. It kinda reminds me of people who bawww about Mega Sable because their whole team is wisp weak and set up bait for it and dont have fairies, counters, status moves that bypass mbounce see; scald and plume or even pokemon to absorb its wisp like Tran and Talon or pokemon that cream it like Sub Mind keld etc. Again, its your fault for not using checks/counters to it and last time i checked these were all standard on offensive teams soooo lol.

Yoshikko March 7th, 2015 1:40 PM

what DA said. and besides what? there are other megas that are way more needed of a ban than mega slowbro. you cant ban mega slowbro and still have gardevoir and metagross and diancie around lol imo the order should be metagross, gardevoir, diancie, slowbro~sableye if sableye even. that one's kind of on the border for me.

Anti March 7th, 2015 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 8646016)
I dont think there is a strong enough pro ban camp enough for Slowbro mega.

Honestly it has its issues (status, strong special attackers still annihilating even it after a cm, stuff like CB Tar and grass types exist still so its kinda your fault for not running one/some of these things plus it has muk coverage if you use CroBro lol.) i feel its actually good for the metagame in that it counter balances offense in some ways, the same with Sableye. Defensive teams do not have alot to play with this gen so i honestly feel mega bro is healthy (as far as megas go >_>) in that it forces offense to actually adapt to something without just mindlessly spamming pokemon with move which it usually does, same with mega Sableye. Heaven forbid offence has to THINK when teambuilding about strong defensive threats! Its crit blocking i feel is also healthy for the meta because unlike Suicune, you cant noobishly spam moves and hope they crit eventually which is hilariously what people actually do and just get crushed. It kinda reminds me of people who bawww about Mega Sable because their whole team is wisp weak and set up bait for it and dont have fairies, counters, status moves that bypass mbounce see; scald and plume or even pokemon to absorb its wisp like Tran and Talon or pokemon that cream it like Sub Mind keld etc. Again, its your fault for not using checks/counters to it and last time i checked these were all standard on offensive teams soooo lol.

this is all true but mega slowbro is an offensive threat as much as a defensive one, and most of its checks are very easy to wear down. idg how we got to mega bro though cause as much as i dislike it (i just think it's the epitome of a matchup mon) there are bigger issues starting with the pokemon this thread is about.

in any case, might as well see how the meta adapts in the meantime. i've enjoyed running mega bro but i will definitely brush off my old mmeta build. :) pursuit is insane on it btw, glad i'm here go me.

champagnepapi March 7th, 2015 2:22 PM

i am very optimistic about a potential landorus suspect test, it doesn't have any beneficial effect on the metagame and a large number of people support its ban, so hopefully he is suspected in the near future

happy about metagross avoiding a ban as well

Dark Azelf March 7th, 2015 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Archer99 (Post 8646028)
Gardy needs to go as soon as the stall threat megas get the ban, if you ask me.

As highlighted in my previous post, this is mostly a failure to adapt because both of them have ALOT of checks and counters. Most of which are commonplace on offensive AND defensive teams.

I honestly cant see how the stall megas need testing before mega gardy. That is actually redic. Gardy literally has about 3 switch ins and 2 of those arent very viable and get wasted by wisp anyway so i mean lol.

Yoshikko March 7th, 2015 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Azelf (Post 8646069)
As highlighted in my previous post, this is mostly a failure to adapt because both of them have ALOT of checks and counters. Most of which are commonplace on offensive AND defensive teams.

I honestly cant see how the stall megas need testing before mega gardy. That is actually redic. Gardy literally has about 3 switch ins and 2 of those arent very viable and get wasted by wisp anyway so i mean lol.

the only switch-in to gardevoir that i have (and abundantly use lol) is jirachi and what is the other one? bronzong? i mean it really is op
also karp you were anti-ban? disappoint :(

Dark Azelf March 7th, 2015 4:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshikko (Post 8646140)
the only switch-in to gardevoir that i have (and abundantly use lol) is jirachi and what is the other one? bronzong? i mean it really is op
also karp you were anti-ban? disappoint :(

Jira, Zong, Doublade, Sp.Def Forretress and Wish Protect Toxic Delphox are as near good counters/checks as you're gonna get. 3 of them get ruined by Wisp. Doublade runs rest and Delphox is immune....sooo lol.

Toxic Chansey can check it once but hates CM Physhocks and Taunt.

champagnepapi March 7th, 2015 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshikko (Post 8646140)
the only switch-in to gardevoir that i have (and abundantly use lol) is jirachi and what is the other one? bronzong? i mean it really is op
also karp you were anti-ban? disappoint :(


mega scizor is the other, but yeah switchins to M-Gardevoir are really uncommon, another reason why I like Metagross staying, in addition to making SpDef SD Glisc have an additional cost for using it

KorpiklaaniVodka March 8th, 2015 2:02 AM

The thing is that most of the things said about an eventual Mega Gardevoir ban apply to almost any stallbreaker. Kyurem-B also dismantled stall teams (read: purely passive stall teams) in BW, but it was OK. How about we suspect Heracross, Crawdaunt, Exploud, Haxorus and Lando-I (which probably needs a suspect anyway), because they eat stall alive as well except for one or two pokemon they can't beat. Actually, we may as well quickban Rampardos since that thing has NO switch-ins.

Yoshikko March 8th, 2015 4:08 AM

exploud eats orphans so it should be banned imo

Anti March 8th, 2015 7:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AmourPearlShipper (Post 8646697)
The thing is that most of the things said about an eventual Mega Gardevoir ban apply to almost any stallbreaker. Kyurem-B also dismantled stall teams (read: purely passive stall teams) in BW, but it was OK. How about we suspect Heracross, Crawdaunt, Exploud, Haxorus and Lando-I (which probably needs a suspect anyway), because they eat stall alive as well except for one or two pokemon they can't beat. Actually, we may as well quickban Rampardos since that thing has NO switch-ins.

Let's not create dangerous precedents and try to suspect stuff just because it hits extremely hard. Just as Heracross and Exploud get blocked by Clefable and Chansey respectively, M-Gardy gets blocked by Bronzong, Jirachi and Victini.

hmmm, if i may paraphrase the emperor, the slippery slope fallacy is strooooooong with you.


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