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Never thought I'd see the day when Salamence is outclassed by Charizard... {XD}
Of course, Mega Mence trounces Mega Zard, but it's still hilarious to see regular Mence not keep up with the power creep. |
More self-loathing from yours truly,
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Doing so is a surefire way to start a bad discussion. And yes, as most good players will tell you, Salamence is outclassed, as you have noted. Yet you keep presenting a false choice, or false mutual exclusivity, between its viability being hampered by other Pokemon outclassing it and Fairies making it less effective. Both of these things can be true, and they are in this case. You're frustrated that people act like the latter reason (Fairies) is the only reason Salamence is not very viable, but then you do the same thing by attaching yourself to the former reason (being outclassed) and presenting equally simplistic rhetoric. That is the fundamental absurdity of this thread's mission. (In fact, your argument is even more skewed since it denies that any other reason besides the one you've presented could possibly affect its viability. This is exactly the type of reasoning that craps up threads like this. Ugh.) Quote:
Of the five, three outright beat Magnezone 1v1. It can't switch in on the other two (though it can on many Clefable variants). I don't know what to tell you. Quote:
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Whatever the underlying assumption is, it doesn't address the pressures of execution that I discussed in detail in previous posts (which still hasn't been addressed at all except for a repetition of this same argument about "well they can't switch in so HA!"). If you're going to just ignore the nuances of the game that others are presenting because they don't fit your notion of viability, then there isn't much point in posting a thread like this. Also, any Fairy puts pressure on it since they can all cripple, OHKO, and/or set up on it. I don't know what you mean by "pressure" if mons that are faster with a STAB super-effective attack like Mega Diancie apparently don't count. ?_? Are you talking about hard checks? Be more precise. Quote:
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And I still fail to see how can Fairies hamper Mence's viability. I fail to see how can they stop it at +1 and I fail to see how can they switch into it in the first place. Until GameFreak makes a Fairy-type prio move or a fairy-type pokemon with 125/150 physical defense or something, I doubt that's about to change. You can say that Fairies forced Mence to use Iron Tail, but Salamence already had excellent coverage between Dragon Claw and Earthquake. It's called adaptation. |
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Also yes chansey walls it, in every gen. What is Encore going to to, lock it into SToss to kill you quicker or lock it into T-Wave/Toxic to...still kill you lol?? |
More self-loathing from yours truly,
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Instead of objecting to the tone of my rhetoric, maybe consider what I said in that part of the post and how maybe your argument might be similar to the very arguments you are frustrated with. Or if you don't think so, I'm curious how you think it's any different. Quote:
And it's not based on prediction when Gardevoir and Altaria are both faster than Magnezone so they can just OHKO it with their respective coverage moves. Choice Specs Magnezone is a bad Fairy check. Period. It loses 1v1 to all of the Fairy megas that run sets that aren't garbage and can't switch into the non-mega Fairies reliably. Exclamation point! Quote:
How about you tell me about your ladder peaks with Salamence? I'd love to see some high-level replays, or do you not have any of those? Can someone who runs ScarfCube semi-stall really tell me about how to effectively run Dragons in the OU tier? Ad-hominems aren't so fun anymore, are they? So please stop. Quote:
You keep conflating Fairies "hampering viability" with Fairies "switching in safely" when the two are related but totally different. As I've outlined repeatedly. |
Removed references to the whole Salamence and Fairies thing. I guess you won this argument.
I don't want this thread to become shitty, and I'll concede. I never studied logic in school. As for leader peaks with Mence, it was something around ~1720 with a random nickname (don't have replays :( ) and it's a re-edit of this team. Just Mence over Goodra and Jirachi over Azumarill. |
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