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Howmander February 11th, 2015 11:52 PM

Arceus being released with the new movie!
 
So apparently Arceus will be released for Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby in Japan for the upcoming movie: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/10958314_10153184571401535_7175853696468079041_o.jpg

I know I'm certainly excited for it, how about everyone else? So with this, Japan has given out gen 6 versions of Darkrai, Jirachi, Keldeo, Shaymin Victini, Shiny Rayquaza, and now Arceus and Hoopa and all we have gotten in North America (legendary wise) is Diancie, Celebi and Latios/Latias (if we were lucky during Street Pass) so are you going to try and score english versions Arceus when it finally gets released in Japan or just wait and hope Gamefreak gets their act together and start releasing versions in your region? Other regions are already 5 legendaries behind Japan (6 if you count the shiny Rayquaza) and come this summer it will be 7 ( or 8, as per previous note) do you think our legendaries will be coming some time, or do you think this is going to ONLY be Japan events and that's it? None of them (besides Diancie, Hoopa and Volcanion) will ever be released outside Japan?

Volga February 12th, 2015 12:22 AM

Well this is exciting. I really hope they distribute this for US, I hate how Japan gets all the good stuff.

Off-topic, but I think we may get Darkrai soon because the UK is getting a Darkrai through serial code from GAME starting the 13th. Hopefully that will come over to the US as well.

Howmander February 12th, 2015 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Volga (Post 8615787)
Well this is exciting. I really hope they distribute this for US, I hate how Japan gets all the good stuff.

Off-topic, but I think we may get Darkrai soon because the UK is getting a Darkrai through serial code from GAME starting the 13th. Hopefully that will come over to the US as well.

That would be fantastic! I hope that's true! I just checked Serebii and Darkrai is still not listed anywhere for areas outside Japan, but they do list Arceus: http://www.serebii.net/events/2015.shtml sadly they're STILL releasing it at level 100. I wish they would release it at level 80 or something, I hate getting a pokemon at max level already.

Oblox February 12th, 2015 1:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Volga (Post 8615787)
Well this is exciting. I really hope they distribute this for US, I hate how Japan gets all the good stuff.

Off-topic, but I think we may get Darkrai soon because the UK is getting a Darkrai through serial code from GAME starting the 13th. Hopefully that will come over to the US as well.

Oh where did you hear about the Darkrai?

Volga February 12th, 2015 1:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Howmander (Post 8615793)
That would be fantastic! I hope that's true! I just checked Serebii and Darkrai is still not listed anywhere for areas outside Japan, but they do list Arceus: http://www.serebii.net/events/2015.shtml sadly they're STILL releasing it at level 100. I wish they would release it at level 80 or something, I hate getting a pokemon at max level already.

Yeah I noticed that, they should add it to the list soon because it was from Serebii that I saw it.

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Originally Posted by Oblox (Post 8615802)
Oh where did you hear about the Darkrai?

On Serebii, which is pretty much the most reliable site for news.

Oblox February 12th, 2015 1:43 AM

Nice, ill try and swing by a GAME store at the weekend!

Mark Kamill February 12th, 2015 2:21 AM

I, uh, Sinnoh Confirmed? Nah, nah, lets not be crazy. But still, Arceus was not a Mirage Legendary, so I wonder what's up.

Howmander February 12th, 2015 2:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Stud Muffin (Post 8615844)
I, uh, Sinnoh Confirmed? Nah, nah, lets not be crazy. But still, Arceus was not a Mirage Legendary, so I wonder what's up.

Well I wouldn't read too much into it, Darkrai was given out at the Diancie movie, but it wasn't in that movie at all, nor had anything to do with anything

blue February 12th, 2015 2:55 AM

This is interesting, I can't remember the last time they distributed Arceus! Either way I'm hoping this is event is later distributed outside of Japan, I'd love to get my hands on this one.

Nah February 12th, 2015 5:03 AM

The thing is, if they do distribute it outside of Japan, it'll probably be for when the Hoopa movie shows in theaters in the US/Europe/Australia/etc and we'll probably have to do the same thing: pre-order tickets and go to the movie in order to redeem the code needed to get it. I'm not up for that.

I'm glad though that they're doing an Arceus distribution though, it's one of my favorite legendaries and there hasn't been an event for it in almost 3 years now. I probably won't be getting this one, but that's okay. While Blast Burn and Hydro Cannon are moves it's never had before, I don't really care for them on an Arceus anyway.

What I'm really curious about is which other legendaries they're going to give out in addition to Arceus and Hoopa. PLEASE GIVE OUT ZEKROM AND GIVE IT A COUPLE OF GOOD MOVES IT NEEDS IT

Pendraflare February 12th, 2015 11:41 AM

Oh wow, an Arceus event? This is nice.

Although i'm not personally bothered by it being Level 100, at least since we can EV train from that level in this generation. And I too heard about the Darkrai event that the UK is getting and hope that comes over here sometime.

Howmander February 12th, 2015 1:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8615937)
The thing is, if they do distribute it outside of Japan, it'll probably be for when the Hoopa movie shows in theaters in the US/Europe/Australia/etc and we'll probably have to do the same thing: pre-order tickets and go to the movie in order to redeem the code needed to get it. I'm not up for that.

I'm glad though that they're doing an Arceus distribution though, it's one of my favorite legendaries and there hasn't been an event for it in almost 3 years now. I probably won't be getting this one, but that's okay. While Blast Burn and Hydro Cannon are moves it's never had before, I don't really care for them on an Arceus anyway.

What I'm really curious about is which other legendaries they're going to give out in addition to Arceus and Hoopa. PLEASE GIVE OUT ZEKROM AND GIVE IT A COUPLE OF GOOD MOVES IT NEEDS IT

Has a pokemon movie ever been released in theatres in North America in just over a decade though? The last movie I only saw on TV because I happened to be flipping by, I didn't even see an ad for it on the channel it was on or anything. And Darkrai was given out in Japan as the preorder bonus for the Diancie movie, but that movie didn't get released in theatres here so I'm not sure the Hoopa movie is going to get released in theatres here either

Tek February 12th, 2015 1:17 PM

Okay guys I'm moving to japan in July seeya

Nah February 12th, 2015 1:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Howmander (Post 8616365)
Has a pokemon movie ever been released in theatres in North America in just over a decade though? The last movie I only saw on TV because I happened to be flipping by, I didn't even see an ad for it on the channel it was on or anything. And Darkrai was given out in Japan as the preorder bonus for the Diancie movie, but that movie didn't get released in theatres here so I'm not sure the Hoopa movie is going to get released in theatres here either

I thought that the Pokemon movies came to North America, albeit in a select few theaters, but I could be wrong about that.

Howmander February 12th, 2015 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8616372)
I thought that the Pokemon movies came to North America, albeit in a select few theaters, but I could be wrong about that.

As far as I know not since Pokemon Heroes did a pokemon movie get released in theatres. They're all straight to DVD, athough I'm in Canada so maybe in the states there are places that do it, but the way it usually goes is you see the DVD for the latest pokemon movie in store shelves, then a few weeks to a couple months later it just appears on YTV (and as of last year, Teletoon) usually right after, right before or instead of whatever pokemon series episode is playing that saturday at noon.

skyburial March 4th, 2015 10:53 AM

In Other News, Japan Gets all the Cool Stuff
 
Bit of an old article, but I didn't see any other mention of it:

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Arceus,_Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon_to_be_distributed_to_promote_18th_movie

Why come I don't get a guaranteed 3IV Arceus 3:

tnfsf11 March 4th, 2015 12:10 PM

Just GameFreak being... GameFreak.

Maybe they think the Western audience is losing interest? Anyhow I hope they don't mind me getting one by my own methods. ;)

Dracowyn March 4th, 2015 12:17 PM

Well unfortunately that's how it always goes.
Japan gets all the good stuff. North America gets less, PAL region gets the leftovers.

Belldandy March 4th, 2015 12:18 PM

It's OK. Someone else'll get one, clone it and spread it around :pink_tongue: WiFi and Internet has really made these special events less painful.

Bounsweet March 4th, 2015 12:19 PM

Japan has always gotten the coolest exclusive events, for like ever now :(

Even back in Crystal Version, it was impossible for anyone but Japan to get the Ilex Forest Celebi. We did get all of those e-cards in Gen III which were amazing, but for the most part since then Japan has always gotten the most and best events.

Volga March 4th, 2015 12:21 PM

I have a friend that moved to japan for a job a few years ago, so he usually gets them and clones me one, so it's not a problem for me.

But I agree they should give out more events in the US, especially ones like these.

Howmander March 5th, 2015 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by skyburial (Post 8641925)
Bit of an old article, but I didn't see any other mention of it:

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Arceus,_Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon_to_be_distributed_to_promote_18th_movie

Why come I don't get a guaranteed 3IV Arceus 3:

If you think that's bad were you aware Japan also got (within the past year) gen 6 versions of Darkrai, Shiny Jirachi, Keldeo, Shaymin, Victini and Shiny Rayquaza and we haven't gotten ANY of them? (let alone Arceus) How annoying is that? I mean, if you're diligent enough you can find cloners online who hav not only cloned teh events, but cloned english versions of them (because a Japanese game, if started in English, will have english named Event pokemon. Teh Trainer ID will still be in Japanese, but the name is the important part)

KillerTyphlosion March 5th, 2015 1:28 AM

I find this complete BS. Why does japan get everything? Its just data. Why waste money on making those stupid code cards that more than half of the world have trouble getting? Why not release every event pokémon via wifi? Okay I get that some pokémon should be gotten via movies/events. In my country they don't even have the pokémon movies in the cinema's anymore. At least not in the town I live in. Why make it so hard for everyone outside japan?

Megan March 5th, 2015 4:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AnonygooseD (Post 8642045)
Just GameFreak being... GameFreak.

I don't think GF has anything to do with this. They probably have enough work as is, creating the next games.

It's really sad, but there's nothing we could do about it. Maybe someday, Nintendo realizes that they don't need to be so Japan centric.

Howmander March 5th, 2015 7:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerTyphlosion (Post 8642832)
I find this complete BS. Why does japan get everything? Its just data. Why waste money on making those stupid code cards that more than half of the world have trouble getting? Why not release every event pokémon via wifi? Okay I get that some pokémon should be gotten via movies/events. In my country they don't even have the pokémon movies in the cinema's anymore. At least not in the town I live in. Why make it so hard for everyone outside japan?

to make everyone want them, really. Years ago when gen 3 was new, if someone got a shiny Metagross is was spectacular, amazing, people were envious because it looked so cool. Fast Forward to when ORAS was released 4 months ago and quite literally EVERYONE who owns the game can get a shiny metagross (or beldum, but eventually a metagross) and now they're pretty ho hum. Same thing would happen with the event legendaries. Something that is only given out at a movie release or a specific pokemon event in real life has people clamouring for it, trying to get their own, wanting it so badly because they can't have it. Would there be that level of excitement and desire if everyone who owned the game just automatically got an Arceus? When was the last time you heard anyone in the last 4 months asking for a Deoxys the way they used to? Not at all I would assume since everyone who owns ORAS gets a Deoxys.

Pendraflare March 5th, 2015 8:10 AM

I'll admit this is somewhat crazy, but I guess it may have to do with how Japan was where Pokémon stemmed from. It is true though, I do wish we could get some of those events alongside them. Possibly in due time.

KillerTyphlosion March 5th, 2015 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Howmander (Post 8643021)
to make everyone want them, really. Years ago when gen 3 was new, if someone got a shiny Metagross is was spectacular, amazing, people were envious because it looked so cool. Fast Forward to when ORAS was released 4 months ago and quite literally EVERYONE who owns the game can get a shiny metagross (or beldum, but eventually a metagross) and now they're pretty ho hum. Same thing would happen with the event legendaries. Something that is only given out at a movie release or a specific pokemon event in real life has people clamouring for it, trying to get their own, wanting it so badly because they can't have it. Would there be that level of excitement and desire if everyone who owned the game just automatically got an Arceus? When was the last time you heard anyone in the last 4 months asking for a Deoxys the way they used to? Not at all I would assume since everyone who owns ORAS gets a Deoxys.

You say everyone want them, but pretty much for everyone who lives in japan can easily get most of the event pokémons. Lots of those events are from codes you can get from a cheap magazine or going to a pokémon center and japan is full of those. For the diancie code in my country I had to pre-order the oras game and I did that and then I hear that the store never even got the codes although it stated on the website that if you would pre-order it at that store you would get the code. My problem is is while pokemon is like an international game since generation 1 we still don't even get half of the events japan gets.

Nihilego March 5th, 2015 3:02 PM

I will never, ever understand why people are so bothered that a Japan gets cool stuff in a Japanese game.

Tetra March 5th, 2015 3:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shenanigans (Post 8643493)
I will never, ever understand why people are so bothered that a Japan gets cool stuff in a Japanese game.

Exactly. It would be something else if the games originated in a western location, but that's not the case. We do get some cool events every now and then and I'm perfectly fine with that.

lilbluedemon March 5th, 2015 4:17 PM

I agree with the two above, Tetra and shenanigans.

Pokémon originated from Japan, it's audience is a LOT bigger there.
It's no surprise they got more than us, and I'm fine with them getting more stuff.

blue March 5th, 2015 7:06 PM

It's just the way it is, and has been for a long time. To be fair though it does seem like the international release of events has increased over the last few years.

Hikamaru March 5th, 2015 7:20 PM

It's true, Japan gets more because they are the home of Pokemon.

However, the one thing that bugs me lately is the events mainly being one-use codes, and it's always hard to even get said codes in the first place. I remember reading someone on Tumblr explain the pros and cons of the system in general.

Cerberus87 March 5th, 2015 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by R.F. (Post 8642899)
It's really sad, but there's nothing we could do about it. Maybe someday, Nintendo realizes that they don't need to be so Japan centric.

Hahaha considering the shitty (and now non-existent) Nintendo support in my country you should consider yourself lucky you even get stuff from time to time! :P

I don't know who handles the events, but it's probably Nintendo, and they don't seem to care about the Western market as much. A pity really.

Howmander March 6th, 2015 3:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerTyphlosion (Post 8643486)
You say everyone want them, but pretty much for everyone who lives in japan can easily get most of the event pokémons. Lots of those events are from codes you can get from a cheap magazine or going to a pokémon center and japan is full of those. For the diancie code in my country I had to pre-order the oras game and I did that and then I hear that the store never even got the codes although it stated on the website that if you would pre-order it at that store you would get the code. My problem is is while pokemon is like an international game since generation 1 we still don't even get half of the events japan gets.

Um… I don't think you actually read my post at all. You want them, right? I want them, practically everyone on these boards want them, and that's exactly what I said the reason was.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 6th, 2015 1:46 PM

I actually am missing the Gen V way of doing events...and I didn't like that they just handed them to you or made you have to go to a GameStop or other place, but at least they were more widely available...

Chiaki Nanami March 6th, 2015 10:19 PM

I fine cloning to be cheating and taking the fun out for it. I don't mind this myself since it makes them even more rare fun and that more rewarding if you find someone who has it and is willing to trade. Same for Amiibos. I like the hunting.

Howmander March 7th, 2015 12:55 AM

Well on top of getting and Arceus with it's 18 different forms (IE, with one of it's plates or 1 with no plate) this Arceus is ALSO no longer shiny locked! https://www.facebook.com/PokemonGlobalNews?fref=photo

Dedenne1 March 7th, 2015 8:58 AM

Sadly this is currently how GF is working now :/
Since japan is were theyre located and will stay in the future USA and other countries are bound to not receive as much as japan will get. Also they have the pokemon movies before us and in theaters plus events and such. Oh and movie posters, and limited collectibles, and entire shops for pokemon stuff. Exactly what do we have? Aha it really seems they get everything but idk move to japan one day for that purpose your life will be happier haha. I do wish that we had some of the cool things they have though. :/

kevin24 March 10th, 2015 7:38 AM

scumfreak favors japan and says screw everyone else./ hope one day scumtendo or scumfreak goes out of business. i'd be real happy

Oblox March 10th, 2015 7:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kevin24 (Post 8649666)
scumfreak favors japan and says screw everyone else./ hope one day scumtendo or scumfreak goes out of business. i'd be real happy

Slight overreaction. Its only a game.

Gligar March 10th, 2015 7:57 AM

I agree with all of you people but remember, the US ain't the only ones who should get these stuff.

Cyclone March 10th, 2015 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Howmander (Post 8643021)
to make everyone want them, really. Years ago when gen 3 was new, if someone got a shiny Metagross is was spectacular, amazing, people were envious because it looked so cool. Fast Forward to when ORAS was released 4 months ago and quite literally EVERYONE who owns the game can get a shiny metagross (or beldum, but eventually a metagross) and now they're pretty ho hum. Same thing would happen with the event legendaries. Something that is only given out at a movie release or a specific pokemon event in real life has people clamouring for it, trying to get their own, wanting it so badly because they can't have it. Would there be that level of excitement and desire if everyone who owned the game just automatically got an Arceus? When was the last time you heard anyone in the last 4 months asking for a Deoxys the way they used to? Not at all I would assume since everyone who owns ORAS gets a Deoxys.

I think you just described Nintendo's Amiibo strategy. "You can never have a Villager Amiibo because we don't plan to make any more." "But I want to train against it!"

Nintendo tries to create scarcity, sometimes in bad ways that actually hurt them by costing them money or giving someone else free claim to, say, $180.

Altairis March 11th, 2015 12:12 AM

It's just a bit frustrating, that's all. Of course the location where the game started off is going to get more events and bonuses - I don't think that we should get exactly the same treatment but at least some equality? For example, I'm pretty sure we've had an Arceus event somewhat recently but not Jirachi for a while. I don't know how practical it is to release a Wifi or serial code event to a certain area, though. Like... Pokemon's "main audience" is 10 year old boys or around that age but they're technically not allowed to join forums and some of them aren't technically savvy or know that they can break the rules and join :P Or where they would even go to find a Jirachi because when they search "How to get a Jirachi" on Google nothing comes up. So, the reason my brother has a Jirachi is because I was able to trade for it myself and not having events (even though us members can probably trade for it) kinda excludes a large group of people.

Pepperton March 12th, 2015 10:57 AM

Yeah, this is kind of sad but in reality that's what happens, not much we can really do about it as that's how they want to run their events.

xX Untouchable Xx March 12th, 2015 11:55 AM

I have PowerSaves anyway, so I think I'm fine...

Altairis March 12th, 2015 12:59 PM

Going to merge these two Arceus threads :D

Damaged_Dweeb1273 March 13th, 2015 9:39 PM

Tsk this is such a lowly argument...
PEOPLE! THINK! This is a PROMOTIONAL EVENT to PROMOTE THE MOVIE.
Does the movie being released in your country? No.
The sad fact is that most people are not in to Pokemon as we are. Nintendo is not gonna released something, pay up the taxes for international releases and fail, because after the Pokemon Movie 2000 demography gradually flopped.
They only dub the movies for DVD releases~
Exactly why they only released Shiny Genesect Event in Japan and Korea. So this Arceus is probably going to get released in Korea soon too.

Do you guys even know how much people in Japan actually pre-order the tickets to get these events?
Or even how many people in Japan don't miss the events? No.
Most people there are more into studying than playing, yes... Even sometimes missing events that lasts like 2-3 weeks or something.
It's comparatively small. I mean it's not hard to prove this since it is VERY RARE for a Japanese player to even be using Mythicals in Free Battle, and if they are, most is cheated since you will see them carrying an all shiny mythical pokemons, or just simply all rare mythical event poks. Yes, they also sell Japanese Powersaves, but hacking is not as gritty **** as hackings on other countries.
The PokeScrap Event campaign was set up for this to make it easier for people to get events from their shop rather than buying those Magazines.
You guys seem to have an ignorant notion that everyone that plays Pokemon in Japan lives in cities that sells CoroCoro Magazines, like Tokyo... Tsk... Look... I am not strongly against hacking since it's how a person uses the pokemon, it's not like I run away everytime I see a team full of shinnies. I just I don't appreciate them.

Besides... Does your country even take Pokemon seriously as much as Japan? No.
Businesses, Holidays AND landmark sites are promoted in Japan more so with Pokemon than any other country, this will explain exclusive pokemon with special moves like the elusive Shinkansen Extremespeed Pika, which I also legitimately own back when I was in Japan.*Have European and Japanese Console and games*
Other examples include the Airline which had one of their planes decorated its exterior with Pokemon, promoting their airline with a Fly Pikachu and also the very prominent Tanabata Jirachis every year.
The only business I remember doing an event with Pokemon outside Japan was that Australian Theme Park opening and gave Event Darkrai or Arceus, etc.
I mean it's easy enough to connect with them since their is a huge option tag in their official website if anyone is setting up an event they want a Pokemon Event to connect with.

If you guys want japanese events soooo much then buy the Japanese console/games versions. Do not even make the excuse of them being expensive. Yen have been commonly cheaper than dollars, so buying them, including shipment should be cheaper or with just a smidget of difference from one you buy off in your shop, from official sites or like eBAY. *Only looking at America for this one*
Most Japanese events are through shared codes, but you may have problem getting movie promoted serial downloads without Japanese connections etc. etc.~
HACKING ANYTHING IS WRONG AND UNLAWFUL. HACKING CAN NEVER BE JUSTIFIED, ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
So if you guys want to blame anyone... Blame you country's population for not being in to Pokemon. Wait and be legit in playing A GAME not designed for anyone to hack and take advantage on.
People in Mii, *mostly* that hacks seem to like the feeling of being high and mighty, doing giveaway and asking for 500 follows*WTF?!*
Hacking never has done anything that actually lasts and just makes, most times, toxic people.

FirestormProdigy March 14th, 2015 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Volga (Post 8642060)
I have a friend that moved to japan for a job a few years ago, so he usually gets them and clones me one, so it's not a problem for me.

But I agree they should give out more events in the US, especially ones like these.

I personally think the reason is because Gamefreak hates how all the good hackers are here in the USA and since they have this Anti-Hacking crap going on it would make sense why these things arent available in the USA. Punishment maybe?

Hey guys Im updating this from my previous post to say that those of you who have powersaves they added a code for the Arceus event for the movie, It has the shiny form and all types on there.

Damaged_Dweeb1273 March 16th, 2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FirestormProdigy (Post 8655505)
I personally think the reason is because Gamefreak hates how all the good hackers are here in the USA and since they have this Anti-Hacking crap going on it would make sense why these things arent available in the USA. Punishment maybe?

Hey guys Im updating this from my previous post to say that those of you who have powersaves they added a code for the Arceus event for the movie, It has the shiny form and all types on there.

Datel is not from US, but UK... And codes for generators stems from Datel selling them PowerSaves, Action Replay, etc.~
Generator makers/coders are actually ripping off Datel's work... And Datel is ripping off Pokemon by hacking it in the first place... See how messed up what people follow these days?

Tsk... That shiny Arceus I just finished SR'ed 2-3 days ago for about 3-4 days your gonna have all perfect... Wow... I am not strongly against it... But just wow... I guess...

FirestormProdigy March 17th, 2015 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Damaged_Dweeb1273 (Post 8658525)
Datel is not from US, but UK... And codes for generators stems from Datel selling them PowerSaves, Action Replay, etc.~
Generator makers/coders are actually ripping off Datel's work... And Datel is ripping off Pokemon by hacking it in the first place... See how messed up what people follow these days?

Tsk... That shiny Arceus I just finished SR'ed 2-3 days ago for about 3-4 days your gonna have all perfect... Wow... I am not strongly against it... But just wow... I guess...

Nintendo and Gamefreak are multi-billion dollar companies they dont need to make more money. Not to mention what does it matter if I like to cheat in my game? What harm is it doing them? They are making the money off games and systems so why cant I have the freedom to do what I want with my game and save? Its like we are renting the game from them, They say okay we will make this game for you and you can buy it and own it but we wont let you do anything with it but play the storyline, if you do anything we dont like we will brick your system so you cant play anymore. Thats controlling and not fair.

To your other comment I would believe you that you soft resetted If you could actually obtain Arceus in X/Y and ORAS but the fact that you cant tells me something else. The movie event Arceus hasnt been released yet not even in Japan as far as I know.

Volga March 17th, 2015 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FirestormProdigy (Post 8660258)
The movie event Arceus hasnt been released yet not even in Japan as far as I know.

It was released in Japan on the 7th, so it's been out for over a week.

Damaged_Dweeb1273 March 17th, 2015 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FirestormProdigy (Post 8660258)
Nintendo and Gamefreak are multi-billion dollar companies they dont need to make more money. Not to mention what does it matter if I like to cheat in my game? What harm is it doing them? They are making the money off games and systems so why cant I have the freedom to do what I want with my game and save? Its like we are renting the game from them, They say okay we will make this game for you and you can buy it and own it but we wont let you do anything with it but play the storyline, if you do anything we dont like we will brick your system so you cant play anymore. Thats controlling and not fair.

To your other comment I would believe you that you soft resetted If you could actually obtain Arceus in X/Y and ORAS but the fact that you cant tells me something else. The movie event Arceus hasnt been released yet not even in Japan as far as I know.

its not about stopping one from getting more money, but making money of people's hardwork... That is really nearly like money laundering. And that is against the law.
Hacking a software is illegal but for games it doesnt apply as of yet. Anyway it's a simple question of morals. Would you actually want a game you designed be hacked and have people make money from it, while you the creator don't?

And Arceus Japan event has been released about for about a week now.
You can get Arceus in XY/ORAS if you have japanese console and game and the serial code for buying the ticket.
I am English/Japanese.
As I currently live in UK, I gain the code by my Uncle who lives with my cousin in Japan. My cousin used his own ticket's code and I used my uncle's ticket code.

FirestormProdigy March 18th, 2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Damaged_Dweeb1273 (Post 8660349)
its not about stopping one from getting more money, but making money of people's hardwork... That is really nearly like money laundering. And that is against the law.
Hacking a software is illegal but for games it doesnt apply as of yet. Anyway it's a simple question of morals. Would you actually want a game you designed be hacked and have people make money from it, while you the creator don't?

And Arceus Japan event has been released about for about a week now.
You can get Arceus in XY/ORAS if you have japanese console and game and the serial code for buying the ticket.
I am English/Japanese.
As I currently live in UK, I gain the code by my Uncle who lives with my cousin in Japan. My cousin used his own ticket's code and I used my uncle's ticket code.

They arent making money off of Gamefreak and Nintendo's systems/games. Datel has its own product that it makes money off of and has codes for more games then just Pokemon. And those game creators dont seem to mind. You have to buy a physical copy of the game to use powersaves. Gamefreak doesnt make money off of Wifi battles, Iv's, Ev's, Natures, Conkeldurr, Dragonite, egg hatching or event pokes. It makes money off of the sales of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire and X and Y. And nintendo makes money off the sales of 3DS consoles. Datel doesnt hurt Nintendo nor Gamefreaks budget. Honestly you have this whole thing backwards and should be aiming your argument at flashcarts. Because those are what take money from game card businesses, because you can download roms and such to them. But even then they dont take money from Nintendo. But honestly cheating, hackmons, and powesaves do not take money away from Gamefreak or Nintendo.

Damaged_Dweeb1273 March 18th, 2015 7:52 PM

In eBay people sell pokemon... There is even a website dedicated just in selling pokemon for real life money~
Besides Nintendo filed a lawsuit to Datel, just before B/W2 I think it was...
They only failed since they couldn't prove if a pokemon is really cheated or not *legit or legal* since the security of pokemon they implemented failed them.
But since they know now that Mythicals are being renamed into vulgar things in Wi-Fi when shouldn't be, they should or will probably file a lawsuit for abusing online uses through GTS.
If a player instead just wait for powersave... Lets say in Japan... They are not much into hacking but if they are... Do you think much will go to the cinema or just wait for the DVD?
Besides a pre-ordered ticket is alot more expensive than buying a regular ticket and Im pretty sure they will lose money that way.
Well yeh flashcarts, and whatnot~ ROM hacks... Creators of them rarely want money in return.

mew_nani March 18th, 2015 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Damaged_Dweeb1273 (Post 8660349)
its not about stopping one from getting more money, but making money of people's hardwork... That is really nearly like money laundering. And that is against the law.
Hacking a software is illegal but for games it doesnt apply as of yet. Anyway it's a simple question of morals. Would you actually want a game you designed be hacked and have people make money from it, while you the creator don't?

Hacking into games is as old as the NES at least. Remember Game Genie? That did the same thing; giving you extra lives, increased jumping ability, the works. It's a gray area, but people are going to do it whether you like it or not, and there's not much you can do about it. Datel making a 6th gen Action Replay isn't entirely sponging off of Pokemon alone because people don't just buy it for hacking Pokemon. There are Action Replay codes for every game out there, including Legend of Zelda, Mario and anything else compatible with a 3DS. People like cheating, and whether they do it or not is their personal preference.

There's another important point though: hacking into games isn't the same as hacking into software. You're changing bytes but you're only injecting code that gives you Pokemon or extra lives, not injecting a virus that wipes your hard drive and gets your bank account information. The two are very different, and have very different goals. Besides there's a point you're missing: if hacking video games becomes illegal there goes all your mods. Modding a game is hacking it, since you're going in there and changing how the game originally worked, so you'd be making mods illegal for every game out there.

But with that said, gosh darn it Japan. Why can't we get a shiny Arceus? ; ;

FirestormProdigy March 19th, 2015 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Damaged_Dweeb1273 (Post 8661817)
In eBay people sell pokemon... There is even a website dedicated just in selling pokemon for real life money~
Besides Nintendo filed a lawsuit to Datel, just before B/W2 I think it was...
They only failed since they couldn't prove if a pokemon is really cheated or not *legit or legal* since the security of pokemon they implemented failed them.
But since they know now that Mythicals are being renamed into vulgar things in Wi-Fi when shouldn't be, they should or will probably file a lawsuit for abusing online uses through GTS.
If a player instead just wait for powersave... Lets say in Japan... They are not much into hacking but if they are... Do you think much will go to the cinema or just wait for the DVD?
Besides a pre-ordered ticket is alot more expensive than buying a regular ticket and Im pretty sure they will lose money that way.
Well yeh flashcarts, and whatnot~ ROM hacks... Creators of them rarely want money in return.

That lawsuit failed because they cannot own pokemon that are inside of a persons game. They can only own the files that were used to create them. Powersaves doesnt inject pokemon into the game therefore its not against the rules nor is it illegal. Besides that you cant name a pokemon or your character or rival any vulgar names anymore. That ended with X/Y I believe. Believe me I tried. New games that are sold through Ebay and other companies usually a cut goes to Gamefreak itself. Honestly I have little knowledge on how that works because im not part of that company, but saying Ebay cant sell pokemon Omega Ruby is like saying Walmart cant sell it either. As for used games on Ebay the rights to that property belong to the person who is selling it and not Gamefreak. There are many technicalities you dont understand about this. Gamefreak only owns the files of everything thats within the game. Not the game itself, so as long as Datel isnt extracting the files, Modifying or altering them thats against copyright laws such as rom hacking Gamfreak cannot do anything about it and Datel cannot be sued. Although Gateway 3ds does allow roms to be played on the system it does not extract the roms itself you have to download them from an external source. You would have to sue every rom hacker in the USA and honestly just sueing that many would bankrupt Nintendo AND Gamefreak because of lawsuit expenses. Overall Datel and Gateway3DS nor Ebay or Walmart take any kind of money away from Nintendo or Gamefreak. They are their own legitimate businesses that sell their own products and accessories.

Karma89 March 20th, 2015 6:40 AM

Just for argument sakes, there is one way that Powersaves can actually cause Game Freak to lose money. When someone gets a hold of a event pokemon and makes multiple copies of it just to hand it out to the public, this can cause Game Freak to lose money. There are people out there that will buy a movie just to get the event pokemon that comes with it. When they no longer have to do this because they can get it for free, Game Freak loses money. So in a sense, cloning event pokemon that only comes out via money can cause Game Freak to loses money. Now, the issue here is the fact that Game Freak already gives out free event pokemon without requiring you to buy a thing. So, Game Freak in a way has no reason to complain if they want to give things away for free but also charge for specific events. At that point, Game Freak is being a hypocrite to their own logic.

Basically, as long as its not a pokemon that you technically have to pay for to get, its really not causing Game Freak to lose money when you use Power Saves. Its only when these "pay to get" pokemon are cloned is when Game Freak loses money. Fire is right though, Powersaves and hacking in general do not affect Game Freak's sales of the game itself. Neither do these sites that offer specific pokemon for money. These sites do not provide a service that you don't already have available to you when you buy the game. So, its not really costing Game Freak any money when people sell pokemon.

Sun March 20th, 2015 2:14 PM

I know it's unfair, but hahaha Pokémon originated from Japan afteall. So aint gonna get mad on that. :P

My concern on the other hand is Pokémon might end up including microtransection stuff in their future games. They can easily do this to the trainer customizations, event legendaries, rare items, etc.

Karma89 March 20th, 2015 2:41 PM

That wont solve the problem to be honest. People will still just get the event/rare items, clone a ton of them and give them out for free. So really doing microtransactions is not much different than putting a code in a movie so that you can only get the pokemon by buying the movie. You might just get a group of people that will go and share the payment of the event poke/item. Say its $10, 3 people will pay $3.33 each to get the poke, then clone it and hand it out to their friends. So it just doesn't solve the issue really. The only way to solve the issue is to find a way to distinguish the hacked pokemon from the real one and Powersaves in general isn't making the pokemon from nothing. Powersaves is only taking the pokemon as a base platform and editing it to be exactly what you want it to be, so even if they found a way to distinguish hacked from non-hacked it wouldn't work on powersaves. Its essential a legal version of the pokemon, just with the IV/EVs/Nature values changed to what you want.


EDIT: Oh, and even if Game Freak was able to do something to tell when a pokemon was edited, that doesn't solve the entire problem. Yes, cloned pokes wouldn't be allowed in battles but that doesn't mean its hard to get any breedable pokemon that you want. You grab a ditto, make it 6 IV, grab the pokemon you want, make it 6 IV then the nature you want and then turn on fast hatch and breed the two. With in 15 minutes you will have at least a 5 IV version of the pokemon you want. The only thing that this would solve outside of cloning is having the exact Hidden Power you want. Honestly though, you take maybe 15 minutes and get the Garchomp you couldn't use back? How does this solve anything really?

Damaged_Dweeb1273 March 21st, 2015 1:57 PM

Well... I did clarify that software hacking IS NOT like rom hacking. And for the eBay pokemon sellers, I wasn't talking about plushie or t-shirt sellers. I was talking about the real pokemon*IN-GAME POKEMON* sellers out there, Besides anyone selling merchandise with Pokemon anywhere in there name shouldn't even be done at all.*ahem... Trademark anyone?* Well unless they are actually legitimately sold by the company. Even advertising or showing logos of any sort is not allowed but still happens. You might know this from the way logos of some sort are blurred during broadcast, or even if watching reality shows, labels are ripped off. So really, if a person tries to sell something linked to Pokemon, proper procedures is that they are supposed to contact them first and whatnot and get a deal. Yes, they may not have been the one who designed a plushie *for example* but the influence of them as being pokemon is what makes people buy them and get their money from that. So Nintendo/GameFreak is really entitled to a fraction of the money gained from those in-game-pokemon sold in eBay,

Well I can't really argue with anything from ROM hacks since I do not play them nor have tried them, therefore I didn't mention anything about them.


But I was arguing mostly about how people here, in this thread seems to moan about how Japan 'gets all the cool stuff' which was answered in my first post. CAN YOU GUYS ACTUALLY READ MY FIRST POST? *2nd Page*

If you had read my first post. I did say I wasn't strongly against them. My argument only evolved how Pokemon is being sold in various websites and whatnot without Nintendo/GameFreak even getting a cent back. Well PowerSave is ripping off GameFreak, and ok... AND NINTENDO. They are altering them. They get a base copy of it and changes/alters it to their own taste of what IV/Nature/Characteristics. So hence you are modifying what was on the game itself. Plus even on the old games like for example, in D/P/Pt, powersave/action replay was used to alter the game play, by reintroducing events/event items that are not released *Azure Flute* or past their event dates set up by GF itself. If Azure Flute event was not even released and been 'locked' in the in-game item catalogue then I would think that's hacking don't you think so? Plus making unreleased event pokemon appear in the wild in levels I am pretty sure is no where than they would be released at. Besides your argument on how using PowerSave/Action Replay is not hacking is stupid since they have advertised themselves as a hacking tool before.

Damaged_Dweeb1273 March 21st, 2015 2:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mew_nani (Post 8661871)

But with that said, gosh darn it Japan. Why can't we get a shiny Arceus? ; ;

Read my message on 2nd Page.

mew_nani March 21st, 2015 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Damaged_Dweeb1273 (Post 8665871)
Read my message on 2nd Page.

I get that it's a promotion for a movie that will never be released in theatres outside of Japan, and in general the world isn't as engrossed in Pokemon as we are, but distribution via movie ticket isn't the only way to go. If Nintendo is capable of handing out game demos via serial code how is this so impossible? Even if the movie won't be shown in a theatre it'll still be broadcast on Cartoon Network and the like. They could still distribute codes for it. That wasn't possible several years ago but is now, so what gives?

Damaged_Dweeb1273 March 22nd, 2015 4:10 AM

Well... Cartoon Network only plays the DVD, and for the DVD to be made, it has to be English dubbed, and a movie shown in a cinema is always only made a DVD a couple of week to months after. Also Cartoon Network has to pay fee/tax for every time it shows a movie as a premier, this goes for any movies too on any channel. And also for a movie to be premiered on any channel, it is like an unspoken/unwritten rule that they would only allow so weeks/months after the DVD release to also make sure that the premier on a channel does not affect demography sales.

And even though the number of people is comparatively small in ratio to those that do not pre-order the ticket just for the Pokemon in Japan, they may also see it as being ripped off...
But I do agree that they should re-release the events much like so the coming copycat Japanese event of the Shiny Charizard for Germany, maybe weeks/months after the original from Japan.
But then I also believe the idea from one of the people here saying that it's maybe Japan punishing other countries for excessive use of hacking and whatnot.

RandomDSdevel March 24th, 2015 9:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Damaged_Dweeb1273 (Post 8665859)
…And for the eBay pokemon sellers, I wasn't talking about plushie or t-shirt sellers. I was talking about the real pokemon*IN-GAME POKEMON* sellers out there, Besides anyone selling merchandise with Pokemon anywhere in there name shouldn't even be done at all.*ahem... Trademark anyone?* Well unless they are actually legitimately sold by the company. Even advertising or showing logos of any sort is not allowed but still happens. You might know this from the way logos of some sort are blurred during broadcast, or even if watching reality shows, labels are ripped off. So really, if a person tries to sell something linked to Pokemon, proper procedures is that they are supposed to contact them first and whatnot and get a deal. Yes, they may not have been the one who designed a plushie *for example* but the influence of them as being pokemon is what makes people buy them and get their money from that. So Nintendo/GameFreak is really entitled to a fraction of the money gained from those in-game-pokemon sold in eBay,


Um, have you ever heard of derivative works? I'm pretty sure that creating them is considered fair use in a lot of cases.

BlackJack1214 March 24th, 2015 2:38 PM

Yeah... It always seems like they get the events first (If we get it at all!)

Damaged_Dweeb1273 March 25th, 2015 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel (Post 8670871)
Um, have you ever heard of derivative works I'm pretty sure that creating them is considered fair use in a lot of cases.

Yes... I luckily have... But that will really only work if MERCHANDISE sold BEAR ORIGINALITY of their own AND NOT COMPLETELY IDENTICAL to the ORIGINAL WORKS. Your argument is a bust since for example, sellers in eBay selling unlegalised merchandise by people that is unconnected to GameFreak/Nintendo, merchandises bearing identical resemblance to the original works, even if a posture is something never before seen it's still not a derivative work and will never or should be claimed as one.

For a person to legally in all laws be able to supply a derivative work, in this example, Pokemon, they have to make aesthetical changes from the original work, only then could it be claimed as a secondary 'unrelated' derivative work. For example, a merchandise seller in eBay selling Rayquaza themed bags, shirts, etc. can only be accounted as derivative if its not anything GameFreak/Nintendo had ever assigned it to be. So a two-headed Rayquaza t-shirt will suffice more in all manners of the law, or at least by making the colour palette neither green/black.

An example of proper derivative websites is DeviantArt. People who make real money other than points from linking, etc. art have their own originality imbued in their work, especially when adapting works with Trademark. They commonly do so by adapting themes to them, gothic, real-life, gore, etc. they will add in teeth, fur/hair, or a few individualistic minor details to their work that encompasses the chosen theme, making it bear some least originality from the source.

And to those making art bearing near/complete resemblance to the original works is not out there making money but are just seeking credit for their skills. A fan service by fellow fans. Well, if they are... They should be penalised or something...

To sum things up... I will only always be rooting for a two-headed Rayquaza anytime in eBay/Amazon, etc.

Just because police will not always barge in the door of someone doing illegal things, it doesn't give them any right to keep doing it. That's just like having an ignorant notion that there should be a police for everyone, as an effective law-abiding persecuting guardian *angel*. Applying magniloquent big technical words doesn't automatically win an argument if your unsure how/when/where to apply it.


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