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Gulpin July 7th, 2015 8:10 PM

16

Yeah, I still really like the idea of Pokemon, but I've just lost a lot of the interest I used to have in playing the games. I actually have a copy of OmegaRuby that I haven't played, and I just realized that I've now had it for over six months o.o

Hikamaru July 7th, 2015 8:11 PM

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I feel the XY anime might end just as hated as BW was, mainly due to the complaints I'm hearing about the AmourShipping stuff and also the fact that Serena does little-to-no battling.

alisaie July 7th, 2015 9:46 PM

17.

She doesn't

because she's not a battler

jfc people who don't you get that just because you're a trainer doesn't mean you haveto be a battler ughhhhh.

XY and BW are hated but for usually two different reasons lmao. And funnily enough those who loved BW seem to not like XY and vice versa. And then there is me. Who loves both.

Hikamaru July 7th, 2015 9:52 PM

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I find it so hard the cute ones are hated. The fact female leads have to settle for goals that writers consider "feminine" while leaving all the Gyms for Ash and his rivals only.

Starry Windy July 7th, 2015 11:57 PM

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But I think it's the variation of goals in Pokémon which makes it good. No matter if it's the Pokémon League, Pokémon Contest or Pokémon Showcase, as long as it means having a bond, that's great.

This makes me wonder a bit if there are any females who are focusing on battling yet (besides of Misty).

Hikamaru July 8th, 2015 1:23 AM

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The only other one I could recall was Iris. I know May and Dawn had battling moments but most of the time they still focused on contests. Serena's only battles so far were the Summer Camp stuff, Aria (in the episode where Fennekin evolved) and Team Rocket.

Lycanthropy July 8th, 2015 4:28 AM

Tentacruel: 11

I find the different goals an interesting part of the story, but I'd rather see some more battle focused females.

Starry Windy July 8th, 2015 4:38 AM

12

Oh my, I almost forgot Iris as well. I guess it's been a while after watching Black and White. And battle-focused females may be quite okay as well.

Gulpin July 8th, 2015 2:43 PM

12

I don't pay very much attention to the anime, but I do like how it showcases that trainers can do more than just solely battle, which is an aspect that is largely missing from the games.

Meadow July 8th, 2015 4:49 PM

13.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash (Post 8836238)
And funnily enough those who loved BW seem to not like XY and vice versa. And then there is me. Who loves both.

I'm part of that minority too! Unfortunately, I haven't been able to catch up with XY ever since XY072 (the haunted house episode), but I'll try to keep up to date after the Get-Together ends and whatnot.

Meadow July 8th, 2015 4:57 PM

13.

That's the dub's fault, not the anime itself haha. But it seems the majority of viewers would prefer to watch it in English, so I guess it can't be helped. (I prefer to watch the subbed version, though.)

alisaie July 8th, 2015 5:13 PM

14.

Yeah. The subbed version is so so so much better in terms of dialouge. Like... they could have the same meaning but the way that it's said it's just... so much better? And somuch more precious sometimes too.

hi i have a lot of feelings about things that ash says goodbye

Gulpin July 8th, 2015 5:14 PM

15

Wait, the English subtitles are different than the English dub?

Hikamaru July 8th, 2015 6:24 PM

16

Someone messed up the counter again? Crap.

Anyways, I feel like the one problem with the English dub is that they are literally replacing almost all the music tracks due to licensing issues and the fact they'd have a compulsory order to pay the owner every time his work is used.

Meadow July 8th, 2015 6:34 PM

17.

Don't worry! The counter in the Bulbasaur Race works differently, so it shouldn't be messed up at the moment.

But yeah, I totally agree about the dub's music being problematic. It lacks the emotion that the original music has, which really does make a big difference.

Hikamaru July 8th, 2015 7:22 PM

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*thinks of Serena's epic haircut scene*

I watched both versions of that and I agree the Japanese does a much better job with the music because the dubbed one was just tranquil and didn't build up well enough. The Japanese version handles the music tracks so well, but sadly at the expense of making dubbers not allowed to go anywhere near it by forcing them to pay tons of money when the tracks get used and as we know the dubbing companies can't afford it.

Hikamaru July 8th, 2015 9:04 PM

20

Subbed seems to be better than dubbed, if you care about the OST.

Starry Windy July 8th, 2015 10:14 PM

11, it's Geodude!

I agree, I'm already getting used to the subbed version lately thanks to nice songs like DreamDream. This reminds me when I'm starting to know about some English subs when at the end of Diamond and Pearl.

Hikamaru July 9th, 2015 1:24 AM

10

Not a Geodude fan at all so finally one where I count down for once. Sorry, but it's boring.

Starry Windy July 9th, 2015 1:55 AM

11.

It's okay, I've been counting down at some point before.

Hikamaru July 9th, 2015 2:52 AM

10

*reacts to post deleted for being too close to copying what someone was saying*

I feel like I'm nothing but a big fat Ditto. Because Ditto can literally copy anything.

Gulpin July 9th, 2015 9:35 AM

11

I like Geodude mostly for how he is the classic rock-type Pokemon. Though I do agree he is a bit boring.

blue July 9th, 2015 1:56 PM

10

Never really liked Geodude, always in the caves and what not.

Gulpin July 9th, 2015 3:51 PM

10

Sure, he may be easy to faint but he's got points for being a classic. Remember the first time you used rock smash only to be attacked by a Geodude? Aren't those wonderful memories?

Hikamaru July 9th, 2015 5:58 PM

8

Sturdy starting from 5th Gen is a huge issue, ORAS Steven has like two Pokemon with the ability meaning you have to let Skarmory set up the Spikes and endure a tough hit from Aggron. And of course any Geodude that wants to blow up on you.

Starry Windy July 9th, 2015 6:45 PM

9

Even though I quite like Geodude's design and its Magnitude and Earthquake move, the Selfdestruct is one of the reason I'm not fond of it at times. I have to switch to stronger Pokémon so it can handle the blow.

Hikamaru July 9th, 2015 9:06 PM

7

Remember that abilities like Scrappy exist.

Starry Windy July 9th, 2015 10:31 PM

8

Scrappy? I think it's one of the useless ability that I know of, even though not worse than Defeatist that Archen lines have.

Lycanthropy July 10th, 2015 2:31 AM

9

I don't know why they have Defeatist, they aren't that OP, are they? I can see Truant, it makes a good balance, but then there's Klutz, what's the use of that?

Gulpin July 10th, 2015 6:11 AM

9

Yeah, I don't know why Archeops got stuck with Defeatist. It really hampers its ability to be used.

Gulpin July 10th, 2015 6:29 AM

9

I'm also not a big fan of Weak Armor. It does give a boost to speed but a lot of Pokemon with high defenses don't really benefit from lowered defense and increased speed.

Hikamaru July 10th, 2015 6:46 AM

8

Speaking of Weak Armor, my friend Pendraflare is doing an item-restricted Nuzlocke (he can't buy items and has to rely on ones he picked up from the ground, even Poke Balls) and he's currently using a Trubbish. The problem is, he'll gain Weak Armor when he evolves.

classiccartoonsftw July 10th, 2015 8:55 AM

9.

I like Trubbish, but I hate Garbodor.

Gulpin July 10th, 2015 9:06 AM

10.

I also really like Trubbish, but I just don't like Garbodor's design as much as I wish I did. Like I really want to like him but I don't..

Lycanthropy July 10th, 2015 12:19 PM

10

I don't see why everyone dislikes Garbodor so much. I know it's a literal pile of trash, but if you're looking that way, isn't Pidgey "just" a bird or Ekans "just" a snake? Yet there's no mass hate on those. Many of the Pokémon are based on objects or organisms from our all-day world and I'm good with that.

Gulpin July 10th, 2015 1:05 PM

11

It's not that I don't like Garbodor for what it is based off of, I just don't particularly like the way the idea was executed.

Hikamaru July 10th, 2015 4:07 PM

10

If you think Garbodor is bad, wait until you watch Marriland's Black Wedlocke where a Garbodor was shoehorned onto his team (despite how much he hates the Pokemon) when Aquilavus, his Carracosta dies to a trainer on Route 10, and he had a glaring Fighting weakness on most of the team to be concerned about, and said Garbodor (named Turkey, who got paired with Chickadee the Sawsbuck) ended up being a true hero against Marshal of the Elite Four and also both N and Ghetsis, and while he died against the latter, Chickadee did manage to sweep the rest of Ghetsis' team, including OHKO'ing his Hydreigon with a critical hit Jump Kick after its Fire Blast misses.

Starry Windy July 10th, 2015 9:42 PM

10

Man, I have no idea Garbodor can become that strong. I think Garbodor's design of being a pile of trash may be going too well for some, sadly... Maybe I should consider using it at some point.

classiccartoonsftw July 10th, 2015 11:46 PM

11.

I don't hate Garbodor because of its design. The reason I hate it is because it was annoying me to no end when I was training my Fraxure in Pokemon White 2.

As for Marriland's Black Wedlocke, I've seen it, but it didn't change my opinion on Garbodor.

Lycanthropy July 11th, 2015 2:08 AM

12

I've never followed others playing a game. I find playing myself more fun than watching someone else.

Hikamaru July 11th, 2015 5:10 AM

11

I seem to follow a Let's Play when I play Pokemon games sometimes, in case I missed anything.

Granzen July 11th, 2015 5:24 AM

10. I hate Garbodor, it just a pile of trash.:(

Hikamaru July 11th, 2015 2:50 PM

9

I feel like Marriland's Black Wedlocke somehow changed my views on Garbodor.

Gulpin July 11th, 2015 6:25 PM

10

I've never taken the time to watch Let's Plays, mostly because if I'm taking the time I'd rather be playing myself, haha.
As for changing views on Pokemon, I've definitely come to like some Pokemon as time as gone on either through using them or just becoming more used to their designs. Some off the top of my head are Magnezone, Parsect, Exeggutor, Wormadam, and Cradily.

classiccartoonsftw July 12th, 2015 12:35 AM

11.

I too have Pokemon that bothered me in the past, that I've warmed up to. These include Tangrowth, Liepard, and Chespin.

There are also Pokemon that I once really liked, that now bother me. Pidgey and Pidgeotto come to mind here. Pidgey was really cute back in RBY and GSC, but the more I played Pokemon using VBA, the more it and Pidgeotto annoyed me with Whirlwind and Sand-Attack. It doesn't help that since RSE, we've been getting better and cuter birds, like Taillow, Starly, Drifloon, Rufflet, and Fletchling.

Hikamaru July 12th, 2015 6:40 AM

10

I feel like the regional birds have been getting better with generation, particularly Starly and Fletchling.

blue July 12th, 2015 7:31 AM

11

Agreed. Since Generation III the regional birds have been great, especially Talonflame being dual-typed.

Hikamaru July 12th, 2015 7:48 AM

10

It's true, although people slammed Talonflame for being overpowered due to its hidden ability because that's the sole reason why it's dominant in competitive play.

Meadow July 12th, 2015 7:23 PM

11.

Omg I just looove the regional birds! They're all too cute, okay? You'd better not make me pick between Pidgey, Taillow, Starly, and Fletchling. >:(

(I like Hoothoot and Pidove too, but the other birds stand out a little more to me.)

Gulpin July 12th, 2015 8:14 PM

12.

I like a lot of the regional birds. Swellow and Staraptor are probably my favorite, followed by Pidgeot. Noctowl is cool and all but it's not as useful as the others, and I find the whole Pidove line to be kind of bland. As for Talonflame, I really like its typing I just don't particularly like its design. I like Fletchinder's design much better but I just can't get over how ugly I think Talonflame is.. But it is a very useful Pokemon to have on a team, I'll give it that.

classiccartoonsftw July 13th, 2015 12:58 AM

13.

There was only one regional bird line since gen 3 that I didn't really like, and that's the Pidove line. Pidove is cute, but Tranquill annoys me a lot when I face it, and Unfezant is meh to me. Male Unfezant has an okay design, but female Unfezant's design sucks in my opinion.

Starry Windy July 13th, 2015 1:19 AM

14.

I think every regional birds are pretty good at their own right, even though sometimes I'm not pretty sure about some of the designs (like Talonflame, for example).

Hikamaru July 13th, 2015 1:46 AM

13

I really love the gender difference concept with Unfezant. They really took inspiration from typical gender differences of birds in real life, where the males are more colourful than the females.

classiccartoonsftw July 13th, 2015 1:55 AM

14.

My favourite regional birds are Talonflame, Staraptor, and Swellow. When it comes to other Normal/Flying types, I'm fond of Dodrio and Braviary.

EDIT: @Hikamaru, you forgot to change the number.

Gulpin July 13th, 2015 2:44 PM

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I do agree that the gender difference concept with Unfezant was a good idea, but I'm still not very fond of its appearance, male or female. As for other birds in the game, I like Braviary, Swanna, and Murkrow (and while Honchkrow is okay, it just isn't as cool as Murkrow). I'm not a huge fan of Mandibuzz, Dodrio, Fearow, or Farfetch'd though.

Dedenne1 July 13th, 2015 7:11 PM

15

Garbodor is alright i guess but i dont necesarilly like it but i dont dislike it its a meh poke haha

Hikamaru July 14th, 2015 12:09 AM

14

Today is a sad day to be a Unova fan and you will soon learn why

Lycanthropy July 14th, 2015 1:32 AM

15- We're still on Geodude, aren't we?

Quote:

Originally Posted by classiccartoonsftw (Post 8842568)
There are also Pokemon that I once really liked, that now bother me. Pidgey and Pidgeotto come to mind here. Pidgey was really cute back in RBY and GSC, but the more I played Pokemon using VBA, the more it and Pidgeotto annoyed me with Whirlwind and Sand-Attack.

And then there's Feather Dance too, which Blue's Pidgeot knows in FRLG along Sand Attack, which was a terrible trouble for my Raticate solorun. I had to keep resetting until I could land a crit or flinch the bird with Hyper Fang.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 8842834)
I feel like the regional birds have been getting better with generation, particularly Starly and Fletchling.

I love Starly and while I like Fletchling's line too, I'm still not fond of the idea the regional bird splits its type to one of the starter types. You know, because of balance.

classiccartoonsftw July 14th, 2015 9:45 AM

16.

I was actually glad that Fletchinder and Talonflame became Fire/Flying. Besides, there are people who use Fennekin and Fletchling on the same team.

classiccartoonsftw July 14th, 2015 10:11 AM

16.

Agreed. Braviary would've made a great Fighting/Flying type too.

blue July 14th, 2015 12:27 PM

17

I think Noctowl should have been Flying/Psychic, I'm pretty sure it can learn a few Psychic moves and it would set it apart from the likes of Pidgeot etc.

classiccartoonsftw July 14th, 2015 1:04 PM

17.

I too think that Noctowl should've been Psychic/Flying. Aside from that, I think Luxray should've been Electric/Dark, Lilligant should've been Grass/Fairy, and the Goomy line should've been Dragon/Poison. Also, Mega Blastoise could've been a great Water/Steel type.

Tsutarja July 14th, 2015 3:59 PM

18

I used to be confused when I saw Ash's Noctowl being a different coloration..but that was before I knew what a Shiny Pokémon was xD

Hikamaru July 14th, 2015 7:26 PM

17

I have to admit it took me ages to even learn that shinies exist.

Gulpin July 14th, 2015 7:40 PM

18

I think I had a vague idea of them from the Red Gyarados in GSC but didn't really realize that every Pokemon had an alternate coloring. Then I ran into a blue Voltorb in Sapphire and knew that it was something significant.. If I remember, going online to see what it was may have been my first foray into the Pokemon fanbase on the internet.

Hikamaru July 14th, 2015 10:59 PM

17

Another problem is so many Pokemon have shiny forms that are so barely different from the original so you wouldn't even know they were shiny.

Lycanthropy July 15th, 2015 1:43 AM

18

They do show some stars when sent out of the Pokéball or when you walk into them, so that's not a real problem, unless you're not paying attention.

Gulpin July 15th, 2015 3:22 PM

19

Yeah, but I'm not paying attention half the time. I think I know well enough the normal colors of every Pokemon to be able to at least look up their shiny if I have any suspicions.
I'm always worried about missing a shiny in GSC though because the colors are so dull (and different from newer games even) that I'm not sure I would notice a minute difference.

Meadow July 15th, 2015 5:11 PM

20.

I find it quite funny how Mega Garchomp's shiny form is a shade of pink (which makes it look slightly less intimidating in my eyes), while its non-Mega shiny form is hardly different from its original colors. xD

Gulpin July 15th, 2015 5:40 PM

10

I believe we've moved on to Graveler now?

Hikamaru July 15th, 2015 8:35 PM

9

I'm on the Geodude line hate-team so still on the counting down side here.

Gulpin July 15th, 2015 8:43 PM

8

Yeah, I've decided to count down for Graveler. Not a big fan of its design and it doesn't have the same nostalgia associated with it that Geodude has.

Lycanthropy July 16th, 2015 5:11 AM

7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revise Librarian (Post 8848057)
I find it quite funny how Mega Garchomp's shiny form is a shade of pink (which makes it look slightly less intimidating in my eyes), while its non-Mega shiny form is hardly different from its original colors. xD

I've noticed a similar thing with Charmander and Charizard, they have the same colors, but a shiny Charmander is yellow, while Charizard is black.

Hikamaru July 16th, 2015 8:33 AM

6

Looks like we may get through this one quickly since Graveler is unloved

Lycanthropy July 16th, 2015 10:23 AM

5

What I find odd about Geodude's evolution line is the number of arms each evolution has, which increses, but decreases afterwards. I don't see the logic here.

classiccartoonsftw July 16th, 2015 10:46 AM

6.

I actually do like Graveler. The only thing I dislike about it is Selfdestruct and Explosion, but that's more the moves' problem. And besides, Graveler is slow, so if you have a fast, strong attacker, you should be able to take it out fast enough.

Hikamaru July 16th, 2015 11:15 AM

5

Self-Destruct and Explosion are the worst. The fact that Sturdy now makes you survive with 1 HP if hit very hard at full health means you have to hope you can take said blow-ups.

classiccartoonsftw July 16th, 2015 11:42 AM

6.

True, but I'm gonna direct my hatred at Selfdestruct and Explosion, not at Graveler.

Gulpin July 16th, 2015 4:33 PM

5
I just think Graveler is kind of a boring Pokemon.. Self destruct and Explosion just make it annoying more than anything.

Lycanthropy July 16th, 2015 11:50 PM

4

Sturdy is pretty annoying. Most Pokémon with Sturdy used to be easy to take out thanks to their low special defense, but their ability gives them a certain attack. Geodude and Graveler are pretty common too and they showed to be useful for easily grinding your water and grass type Pokémon.

Hikamaru July 17th, 2015 12:46 AM

3

The new Sturdy has the pros and cons, it does make something easy to catch but very annoying to train against if you want to destroy them quickly.

Gulpin July 17th, 2015 10:40 AM

2
The only time Sturdy really annoys me is when I run into a horde of Geodude and I can't just take them all out with one hit using Surf. Theres always at least one that stays making the battle last another round.

Laguna July 17th, 2015 10:46 AM

1

It's better than the old Sturdy, since you can count the people who actually use 1HKO moves on one hand, seriously.

Hikamaru July 17th, 2015 2:43 PM

0

Looks like the haters won this round, bring on the next Pokemon!

alisaie July 17th, 2015 4:26 PM

10.

GOLEM.

not as annoying as Geodude/Graveler, imo. Mainly because they're not in the wild and thus I'm not crying because I can't easily grind on them anymore.

Hikamaru July 17th, 2015 5:30 PM

9

Still on the haters team here...

Tsutarja July 17th, 2015 6:00 PM

10

Hey Golem is actually pretty awesome!

alisaie July 17th, 2015 6:05 PM

11.

tbh I think the only reason why I haven't used a Golem yet is because you have to trade for one.

Tsutarja July 17th, 2015 6:06 PM

12

Yeah, that is a downer for Golem. :[ at least it's pretty cool in the OS anime though!

Lycanthropy July 18th, 2015 3:38 AM

13

Geodude and Graveler are rocks, while Golem is more a turtle with a rock shell, but nevertheless I really like it.

Hikamaru July 18th, 2015 5:50 AM

12

Trade evolutions are always an inconvenience because not everyone can have the ability to do them.

Meadow July 18th, 2015 5:22 PM

13.

I'm not a fan of Geodude or Graveler, but I certainly do have respect for Golem! However, my favorite Rock-type Pokémon is probably Cranidos. Not only is it super-cool, but it's also pretty cute! :D

Hikamaru July 18th, 2015 8:26 PM

12

I'm still on the haters side though, because I hate things that love to blow up on you.

Percy July 18th, 2015 9:18 PM

13

I haven't really used a Golem before. But I think they're really cool.

Hikamaru July 18th, 2015 10:50 PM

12

Still uncool to me.

Lycanthropy July 19th, 2015 3:28 AM

13

I'm not a real fan of the rock type, but I like Golem and many of the fossil Pokémon.

classiccartoonsftw July 19th, 2015 3:43 AM

14.

My favourite Rock type Pokemon is Tyranitar. I'll also list my favourite fossil from each generation.

Gen 1: Omastar
Gen 3: Cradily
Gen 4: Rampardos
Gen 5: Archeops
Gen 6: Tyrantrum

Lycanthropy July 19th, 2015 5:23 AM

15

The fossil evolutions I really like are Omastar, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Cradily and Aurorus, but I like the others too. I've always been a fan of dinosaurs and other ancient creatures, so that's probably where that comes from.

Astinus July 19th, 2015 1:39 PM

14

Golem was the pits even in the early days of the TCG, in the Fossil expansion. Way too high of an energy cost for its attack.

My favorite fossils are Aerodactyl and Tyrunt's family line. I'm not sure why Aerodactyl is one of my favorite Pokemon, but it always has been.

Hikamaru July 20th, 2015 1:13 AM

13

Golem always goes down to me, doesn't help Rock is my least fave type as well.


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