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Legendary Silke April 19th, 2015 4:17 AM

Hi hi, and we now have an awesomely new thread. Hopefully the threat of automagical double-posting is away, at least for the time being.

I've been checking out tablet PCs lately and I actually tried out drawing with the Surface Pro 3's pen. It felt surprisingly paper-like. It's like I'm drawing on paper even though all I'm drawing on is glass...

Guess they really have come a long way with pen input.

Tsutarja April 19th, 2015 5:07 AM

I really did wish more tablets had "pen & paper" support in general. It'd be such an excellent note-taking method for college students that love the digital world, such as myself.

Fun Size April 19th, 2015 2:01 PM

Oh we sorta have the same laptop TF. I have a Lenovo Yoga which also can turn into a tablet as well. Unlike you however I don't get a cool pen to go along with it, but I do have touch input from my fingers. Sadly there's no point for it as I'm fine with just a touchpad.

Leviathan April 19th, 2015 3:17 PM

I thought I'd never see myself adapt to using a proper tablet, but my grandad recently invested in a Galaxy Tab 4 and it's so nice to use! Granted, it is saddled with the same woes facing any android system (and I am far from an expert in terms of looking after said tech), but, if there was ever cause to consider switching over to tablets from pcs and laptops, I've been convinced. Can't wait to really give Chromecast and the tablet's mirror function a whirl when I have more spare time.

Fun Size April 19th, 2015 9:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8715529)
The Yogas are so cool, but they're also so expensive. This one isn't exactly flexible though, how it works is that the screen pivots then folds back on itself. It's really interesting, but the clasp is weakening, I might have to order some replacement parts and repair it myself - it'd cost a small fortune to send it in to Lenovo.

Haha yeah it's pretty ridiculous how much it costs. Mine was $800 and I kinda wish I built a gaming PC with that money. Since Lenovo is more business oriented, it isn't what I'd call the fastest or quietest laptop, but at least it gets the job done I guess. Although mine did come with an SSD which probably brought the price up a little higher.

Fun Size April 19th, 2015 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8715653)
I could have chosen a Yoga as a grad gift, but they went for $1200 when I was getting my grad gift PC. There's times I wish I had considered going for a cheaper, second-hand one that may have had upgrades and whatnot, or even a desktop, but I love the conveniences of a laptop.

Yeah laptops are pretty convenient if you're traveling, but I've never taken my laptop anywhere so a desktop would be fine for me. The scariest thing that's happened to me though was when I spilled water on my laptop. That's one of the pros of a desktop. You spill water on a keyboard? Phh, buy a new one! You spill water on a laptop? Oh no. I thought I was gonna have a heart attack. Luckily I was able to dry it off quickly enough, but when it wouldn't turn back on, I did what a sensible person would do: I turned it over, freaked out a little more, waited 3 days, and thank god it turned back on and has been working ever since (it's been like ~4-5 months now).

Alexander Nicholi April 20th, 2015 4:20 AM

Laptops should really come with waterproof keyboards nowadays.

Also, curse whoever decided I should have to remove the whole front of the laptop to install anything, and have to take out the motherboard to put in RAM.

Tsutarja April 20th, 2015 6:53 AM

As much as I want to upgrade the RAM in my laptop, I really am contempt with just 8GB so far. 👍

Heather April 20th, 2015 7:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8716131)
As much as I want to upgrade the RAM in my laptop, I really am contempt with just 8GB so far. 👍

Funny you said that because I have been thinking the same thing.
I love my laptop and games seem to run just fine on it. I have 8GB as well and it seems to be just enough.
Yet, I'm considering putting in some more RAM, just so I can run games on a higher setting.
A friend of mine actually gave me a spare RAM card he had so I could have 16GB of RAM, instead of 8GB.

Meganium April 20th, 2015 10:16 AM

I miss my desktop. Had to leave it behind for the parents back in Cali. That machine was a beast. 6 GB with an amazing graphics driver/processor.

I am looking at getting a new one myself. But I have my eye set on a Mac. It's extremely tempting. :( Honestly I can't live off just my laptop.

Tsutarja April 20th, 2015 1:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling (Post 8716427)
I miss my desktop.

You aren't the only one who's thinking that right now. :P

Meganium April 20th, 2015 1:14 PM

yeah, I got my desktop because at the time my 7 year old Vista desktop ate the crapper. And I had to survive a couple weeks without an actual computer (had a tablet, but it wasn't enough) When I GOT my desktop, I was like "ugh i wish I had a laptop so i can have mobility". and I did end up getting a laptop eventually.

Now that I'm surviving Houston with a laptop, I want a desktop now. I'm so weird haha. I think as a computer geek, you gotta have at least a backup just in case.

Heather April 20th, 2015 4:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling (Post 8716427)
I am looking at getting a new one myself. But I have my eye set on a Mac.

What's your reasoning for picking a Mac instead of a PC? If you don't mind me asking. :)

Meganium April 20th, 2015 6:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heather (Post 8716966)
What's your reasoning for picking a Mac instead of a PC? If you don't mind me asking. :)

It's the latest OS they have right now, Yosemite. It's freaking amazing. I use a Mac in class, and it seriously makes me want one. What's more awesome is that I can iMessage, as well as call my contacts without ever reaching my iPhone. I figured it would be extreeeemely convenient for me. Can't really do that on windows.

Meganium April 20th, 2015 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8717158)
Then again, because you have a Mac, you also have the option to set up a bootcamp and install Windows alongside it so you can have the best of both worlds.

That too! I'm still attached to Windows so I don't want to leave it behind completely.

Fun Size April 20th, 2015 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inyotef (Post 8715938)
Laptops should really come with waterproof keyboards nowadays.

Thank you! It's such an obvious thing to do to benefit the consumer, but no company I know does it! The closest thing I can think of is Lenovo's Thinkpads which has like an empty center or something with holes in the sides which allow water to drain out.
Spoiler:
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Also you people with 8GB of ram are so lucky. My Yoga came with a WHOPPING 4GB which is like soooo much. Cheapskates couldn't even put in another 4GB. :P

Fun Size April 20th, 2015 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8717297)
Wait really? My Acer came with 8GB standard, although that's also the maximum it can take :(

Lol yeah my stats aren't exactly the best at all:
http://i.imgur.com/LFRF5zI.png

Fun Size April 20th, 2015 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8717313)
You have an i5 though, this laptop only has an i3 :( It's not bad though, but it could use a little more oomph tbh.

i5, i3, you're ahead of me lol. Yeah it definitely could use a lot more "oomph". It's weird like has this ever happened to you where you kinda just leave your computer on with nothing open at all and even though nothing's on, your computer's fan(s) starts like just getting louder and louder and blowing harder?

Fun Size April 20th, 2015 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8717324)
Yeah. Last night, I was doing a dual-screen setup for my homework, and it was heating up my computer a lot. As soon as I unplugged the HDMI cable it instantly began cooling down. I try keeping it on a cooling pad to make sure that it doesn't get too warm though. My guideline is to keep it below 60C.

Cooling pad... smart. :) I didn't even know computers could get near 60C and not be damaged. I use Fahrenheit and 60C = 140F which is like crazy high to me.

Fun Size April 20th, 2015 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8717337)
Yeah. I've gamed on this thing up to 75C when it was somewhat dirty, but that's really pushing it. However, I have Coretemp installed, so I set it that if the computer hits 80C, it will shut down the computer in 60 seconds to prevent overheating damages.

Now that warmer weather is upon us, I may take my laptop outside, disassemble it, and clean it out. It really needs it considering how dusty the apartment I live in is.

Oh that's pretty cool (or hot in this case :P). I'd never trust myself to disassemble my laptop. I'd probably mess something up and kill it.

Legendary Silke April 21st, 2015 2:02 AM

I don't think one should even remotely worry about PC temperatures under normal circumstances, really. Internal temperatures of about 80-90 degrees Celsius are now considered "acceptable". (It's on the verge of throttling, though.)

Alexander Nicholi April 21st, 2015 5:35 AM

Not with AMD processors, Twiggy. :P

Also, 90C is dangerous even with an Intel processor. Where'd you hear that? :o

Legendary Silke April 21st, 2015 5:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inyotef (Post 8717638)
Not with AMD processors, Twiggy. :P

Also, 90C is dangerous even with an Intel processor. Where'd you hear that? :o

It probably is a very good idea to read up on the maximum operating limit of modern Intel processors on ARK. Many of them have Tjunction of at least 90 degrees Celsius. In fact, on full load, high-end mobile Core processors are expected to hit around 85-90.

I'll just say that some processors have a Tjunction equal or higher than the boiling point of water. For example, the Core i7-4700HQ in my laptop has a Tjunction of 100 degrees Celsius. That's the maximum temperature allowed on the processor itself.

Whether the system actually allows the processor to get that hot in the first place depends a lot on the firmware, though, as long as the temperature is below said Tjunction point. One prime example is probably the Core M processors. Some OEMs opt to have the CPUs throttle much earlier than their absolute limits would indicate purely because of its form factor. (Even though the internal temperature might be "safe", a tablet that can actually burn skin is a tablet that doesn't sell at all.)

Alexander Nicholi April 21st, 2015 6:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8717644)
It probably is a very good idea to read up on the maximum operating limit of modern Intel processors on ARK. Many of them have Tjunction of at least 90 degrees Celsius. In fact, on full load, high-end mobile Core processors are expected to hit around 85-90.

I'll just say that some processors have a Tjunction equal or higher than the boiling point of water. For example, the Core i7-4700HQ in my laptop has a Tjunction of 100 degrees Celsius. That's the maximum temperature allowed on the processor itself.

Whether the system actually allows the processor to get that hot in the first place depends a lot on the firmware, though, as long as the temperature is below said Tjunction point. One prime example is probably the Core M processors. Some OEMs opt to have the CPUs throttle much earlier than their absolute limits would indicate purely because of its form factor. (Even though the internal temperature might be "safe", a tablet that can actually burn skin is a tablet that doesn't sell at all.)

Well, in the time I spend on LTT, 90C is not an advisable temperature. Just because it can go there doesn't mean it should. :b

The rule of thumb for Intel CPUs last I heard was <90C. So whatever.

Legendary Silke April 21st, 2015 6:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inyotef (Post 8717662)
Well, in the time I spend on LTT, 90C is not an advisable temperature. Just because it can go there doesn't mean it should. :b

The rule of thumb for Intel CPUs last I heard was <90C. So whatever.

There used to be a time where 60 degrees is just too hot. Just sayin' :)

Tsutarja April 22nd, 2015 5:11 AM

I have a weather widget on my Nexus 7 that monitors the tablet's internal temperature. It's actually pretty neat, to say the least.

Legendary Silke April 22nd, 2015 6:20 AM

It probably says something that the Nintendo 3DSes never get warm in the first place even while playing games. Sometimes, cramming the fastest possible hardware isn't exactly the best thing to do if you end up running into thermal issues. Try to run a video game on a smartphone for even a short period, and you'd start to have a really warm handset.

Some of it probably have to do with the 3DS also having more space for, well, everything internally. Physically, that is. I sometimes still wonder if we'll ever see a phone that never gets hot these days at full throttle...

The thing stopping me from buying any one of the 8" Windows tablets, even if they came with any form of pen input, is their displays are, well, inferior to the one on the almost three-year-old Surface RT. As bad as the hardware and the software configuration may be in retrospect, they got the display properties right from day one. I've yet to see one of these mini-tablets with a display as vivid as the RT. That's also why I'm holding out for the Surface 3 - I don't feel like pre-ordering it, anyway, seeing as the only pre-order bonus I get is a decal. I don't like decals. The lack of any full-size USB port on the systems is also a sticking point for the mini-tablets - I'd rather take the Surface anytime, any day.

I still wonder about the practicality of the 2GB/64GB model, though. My gut says that I should probably buy the 4/128 model instead, if only for the extra 64 GB of space. In Windows, apps can take a lot of space, especially if you plan on using the tablet as a true "second computer".

Tsutarja April 22nd, 2015 4:28 PM

Honestly, I think it's a good thing that Nintendo 3DSes don't get hot/overheat.

Legendary Silke April 23rd, 2015 5:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8720024)
Honestly, I think it's a good thing that Nintendo 3DSes don't get hot/overheat.

Sometimes I find the talk about the Nintendo 3DS being underpowered...well, it just gets on my nerves.

Consider that the Nintendo 3DS was officially announced in 2010 and released in 2011. The contemporary iPhone would be the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4's GPU actually struggles to even attempt just one single shader light in a 3D scene while the 3DS will do it with three without breaking a sweat. They're designed for different philosophies. Back in 2010, a mobile GPU with programmable shader capabilities is basically just...another thing in a bullet list of features when it comes to 3D gaming usage. They're too slow back then for any gaming purposes (in fact, I believe that said shader capabilities back then are actually more for reducing battery usage in UI use).

Same for the system memory. The 3DS might have shipped with only 128 MB of system memory (with 64 MB being usable for standard games; 96 for high-memory), but do also consider that iOS apps back then didn't have too much memory space to use on a per-app basis, the screen resolution for the 3DS being quite low, and the fact that the 3DS has dedicated video memory.

The CPU part is slightly inexcusable, though. ARMv6 is kind of dated when its contemporaries are sporting ARMv7 CPUs. That might have changed with the New 3DSes, but we're not sure about that. I do know that a certain homebrew community said that there are now four cores of the same CPU core type as found in the 3DS, which is a dual-core design, but then an official Nintendo-licenced developer said "wrong" on it, meaning that there is at least one part about the CPU type being incorrect. For all we know they could have swapped out the CPU entirely into a modern design...

I think a lot of this has to do with the 3DS basically having to be "stuck" on a given specification for years due to its nature as a portable gaming console. The specifications might be competitive, or even superior to an iPhone 4 back then on a single-application basis, but in 2015, the specifications, which are stuck in time, pretty much are a joke. The New 3DSes, much less so, though, outside of the display resolution.

Sometimes I think it might be worth it to just go to the SP3 with i3 if I'm thinking of getting the 4/128 model of the S3... On the other hand, though, I don't like fans on tablets.

Alexander Nicholi April 23rd, 2015 9:09 AM

This is the PC that's saved my ass:

http://i.imgur.com/CEL2ery.png
http://i.imgur.com/3VLZklk.png
http://i.imgur.com/JDeMOEK.png
http://i.imgur.com/aSI5xym.png

You don't know what kind of tech hell I've been in for this to be so great. >_>

Tsutarja April 24th, 2015 4:54 AM

So, the question of me getting a Mac Mini or building a new desktop is in the air. :/

I want to get a Mac Mini just to try something new, while I'd like to have a new desktop built that way I can use my old hardware and hard drive as well.

Meganium April 24th, 2015 5:35 AM

Mac mini is an affordable way to own a Mac, but it all adds up to getting a separate keyboard, mouse/touchpad, and other stuff you might want to add. While building your own desktop is a lot easier because YOU are adding YOUR OWN drivers/peripherals and YOU get to customize your own desktop. I think buoysie added an SSD in his mac mini, which is actually entirely possible.

It's really worth the change. I'd rather get the best of both worlds. But alas, it's up to you whether you want to explore a brand new world or customize a world of your own.

Alexander Nicholi April 24th, 2015 4:31 PM

I can't wait to get my money and build my desktop, and buy my laptop, and replace my mother's laptop, and buy all of my PC repair equipment, and buy a pen input tablet for drawing, and buy a brand-new smartphone, and buy a proper sound system, and build a server for when I get Google Fiber...

Okay. I may or may not be able to buy all of that - I'll prioritize if I have to. 50/50 chance I will, though! *excite*

donavannj April 24th, 2015 4:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flight (Post 8722525)
Hello, C&Ters! Don't mind me, just leaving this here.

Although according to this source, it was probably a member of the public. Who knows, really. It's...interesting, though.

Definitely a member of the public.

Though corrections take months for them to process. I saw a correction I placed last September finally be processed a couple weeks ago, and it was even further from the location of the actual address than before. Hell, it was actually 2 towns away despite the city it was actually in being listed in the address...

Alexander Nicholi April 24th, 2015 5:33 PM

Call it the child in me, but I am mildly amused at that. No offense, but there's a lot wrong with Apple.

I dunno if it being immature is really the baddest of things, lol. That's probably just me.

Alexander Nicholi April 24th, 2015 6:26 PM

There's a few things about them I can like. Their OS is nice as an end-user, it'd probably outdo Windows if it didn't have its long list of negatives. Why Objective-C exists is beyond me. Also, what's the purpose of Objective-C++? ._.

Alexander Nicholi April 24th, 2015 8:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8723043)
I don't know if you were, but I had a couple of stories I mentioned on the IRC as to why I dislike Apple as a company. That, and I've hard Objective-C is rather awkward.

It was a real eye-opener hearing about Apple making stores selling their product into being their bitch. What kind of animalistic capitalistic sharp-dressed monkey shit is that? Haha :P

Honestly, as far as programming goes... with GTK+ and GLib, I am 100% content with C. It's all I ever wanted out of a procedural lang. c:

Meganium April 24th, 2015 9:33 PM

I keep looking at Alex's signature gif and I'm here like "that is going to be me when i start my new tech job in two weeks lmaooo"

Alexander Nicholi April 24th, 2015 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling (Post 8723114)
I keep looking at Alex's signature gif and I'm here like "that is going to be me when i start my new tech job in two weeks lmaooo"

Nevermind the desk's on fire, I have a database to synchronize. Oh, and the office's e-mail servers need rebooting. Best get on that.

I'd love a job like that. Just sit at my desk and work on intranet stuff for a company building, minding my own business and largely left alone.

But it'd also be fun to be one of those IT pros that are always running around, helping workers with their PCs and diagnosing problems. There's exercise and people skills in that. :b

Legendary Silke April 25th, 2015 8:12 AM

*is getting a Surface 3...this June*

Late to the party, as always. But hey, I'm replacing my old tablet. I think I'll be getting the 4/128 unit with a pen, but no cover. I find the i3 to be...rather redundant, as it's still more expensive than the configuration I'm aiming for, pen included, and I have a gaming laptop already.

It'd be really nice to have a tablet that I can use as a sketch pad with infinite paper, ink, and colouring supplies, as well as an actual backup computer than can do more than Office and Internet Explorer.

Alexander Nicholi April 25th, 2015 4:42 PM

My laptop's a bit dated, but with the right care and upgrades it can last me until 2020. The generational improvements of CPUs are minimal and I can upgrade the PC's RAM to 8GiB later on. It's got gigabit ethernet, a Blu-ray drive, and a really swell build. My problems with it, though, are no USB 3.0, 768p screen, and that it has a dual-core Core i5.

Tsutarja April 26th, 2015 10:20 AM

Derk shared this one to me...a bit of tech humor if you want something to laugh (or facepalm) at: http://www.slashgear.com/apple-fart-apps-not-allowed-on-apple-watch-26380838/

Alexander Nicholi April 26th, 2015 5:25 PM

Hi, you're not allowed to have that app on our devices because you're not allowed to have it.

Great.


You know, I'm thankful product vendors cover all manufacturing/shipping defects, because the manufacturers don't. Thank you Amazon for refunding me my broken hard drive that died in minutes. That's $120 of heartache I don't have.

Legendary Silke April 28th, 2015 7:23 AM

There seems to be a disturbing trend where a new Tech DCC means I'm laptopless,

These coincidences are scary! Yeah, I'm on my Surface again. I think I really should get a Surface 3 at this rate.

Though, I do wonder if that'd mean the next time a new Tech DCC thread shows up I'd end up with TWO unusable PCs at the same time...

Dter ic April 28th, 2015 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8727254)
These coincidences are scary! Yeah, I'm on my Surface again. I think I really should get a Surface 3 at this rate.

Though, I do wonder if that'd mean the next time a new Tech DCC thread shows up I'd end up with TWO unusable PCs at the same time...

Let's hope that you won't come here to tell us that your surface 3 is unusable because something broke somehow by then. xD

Speaking of silly apps, I wonder how it will take before someone publishes a crazy watchface for the iWatch - maybe one with loads of virtual diamonds on them selling for as high a price as the "I am rich" app back in 2008 for the iPhone.

Tsutarja April 28th, 2015 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8727254)
There seems to be a disturbing trend where a new Tech DCC means I'm laptopless,

These coincidences are scary! Yeah, I'm on my Surface again. I think I really should get a Surface 3 at this rate.

Though, I do wonder if that'd mean the next time a new Tech DCC thread shows up I'd end up with TWO unusable PCs at the same time...

Aw come on, this is only the second DCC in the history of the section! :P

Well that sucks. What happened this time?

Legendary Silke April 28th, 2015 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8727799)
Aw come on, this is only the second DCC in the history of the section! :P

Well that sucks. What happened this time?

The cooling system seems to be out of business so it went in for servicing. Massive throttling problems in games clued me in.

Leviathan April 29th, 2015 6:49 AM

On the subject of those Apple watches, did you guys hear recently that they supposedly won't work if people have wrist tattoos, especially dark ones? Kind of a big misstep imo on Apple's part. Sure, you could just use your other wrist, but what if someone sports wrist tattoos on each of their arms? They're kinda goosed, then.

I'd like to try the Samsung smart watches some day though.

inspirASIAN April 29th, 2015 8:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeviathanX (Post 8728624)
On the subject of those Apple watches, did you guys hear recently that they supposedly won't work if people have wrist tattoos, especially dark ones? Kind of a big misstep imo on Apple's part. Sure, you could just use your other wrist, but what if someone sports wrist tattoos on each of their arms? They're kinda goosed, then.

The Apple Watch detects your heart rate by using a green light to reflect your blood flow in the best way possible. The watch can't get a clear reading because the thick pigmented tattoos make it difficult (or impossible) to penetrate the skin. Fortunately enough, this issue has been brought up during the two-weeks return period.

Legendary Silke April 30th, 2015 11:49 PM

My tablet faked me out today. It failed to turn on several times in a row - the display didn't even turn on at all! (I always shut it down fully when I'm done for the day.)

It finally did, but now I'm wondering if I really should replace it soon.

Terabyte May 1st, 2015 9:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8731479)
My tablet faked me out today. It failed to turn on several times in a row - the display didn't even turn on at all! (I always shut it down fully when I'm done for the day.)

It finally did, but now I'm wondering if I really should replace it soon.

Which tablet is this? OG Surface, or the Surface 3 (which I think you have)?

Legendary Silke May 1st, 2015 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terabyte (Post 8732092)
Which tablet is this? OG Surface, or the Surface 3 (which I think you have)?

The Surface 3 isn't even out yet!

(What happened to you?)

Terabyte May 1st, 2015 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8732130)
The Surface 3 isn't even out yet!

(What happened to you?)

I'm actually a little sick at the moment.

Quite obviously I meant the Surface Pro 3. :P

Alexander Nicholi May 1st, 2015 4:00 PM

I think I might get a surface for its pen input. I've been meaning to do some drawing with a paint application and have never had the right tools.

Tsutarja May 1st, 2015 5:18 PM

Personally, I wish there were more displays with touch screens that accepted input from any touch, and not just heat sensitivity. (like the DS touchscreen)

That's probably just a dream at this point, though.

wakachamo May 2nd, 2015 8:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8732552)
Personally, I wish there were more displays with touch screens that accepted input from any touch, and not just heat sensitivity. (like the DS touchscreen)

That's probably just a dream at this point, though.

The problem with resistive touchscreens (like the DS) is that they only deal with one touch at a time, like Team Fail said.

Also, most touchscreens these days are capacitive, which are based on properties of electricity, not heat. :)

Legendary Silke May 2nd, 2015 9:27 AM

I'm still internally "debating" whether I can get away with the 2/64 model and skipping out on the pen initially. It's not like I'm getting any bundle discounts with the latter, anyway.

May 5 is coming very soon, anyway, and I intend to demo the model. Missing out on a collectible decal isn't a big deal, anyway.

Legendary Silke May 4th, 2015 11:13 AM

Hmm, apparently the 2/64 model has a bit worse graphics than the 4/128 model. Guess when it comes to integrated graphics, you can't really skimp out on system memory.

I think I'll go ahead and get the 4/128 model soon.

Tsutarja May 6th, 2015 5:24 AM

I dunno why, but I really want an Android phone, and one that is not el cheapo and the budget brand. Too bad that most of the ones that are up-to-date aren't available unlocked at an affordable price.

Tsutarja May 6th, 2015 6:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flight (Post 8738619)
Your best bet is a Nexus 5 which is more or less affordable unlocked depending on your overall budget, but that's pretty much it. x_x; I'm really hoping that Google's next phone from either Huawei or LG manage to be quite cheaper than the Nexus 6, because that's ridiculously expensive (needless to say).

Yeah, the Nexus 5 is unfortunately not in my budget D:

Hiatus May 7th, 2015 11:35 AM

Has anyone ever been able to try their hands on Fire Phone before? I've been looking at the device yesterday on Amazon, and it seems to regularly go on sale for around $180 (its usual price is more than $300, I think). Apparently, it could compete against the likes of iPhone, and with a low price like that, I'm leaning more on buying one for myself.

Tsutarja May 7th, 2015 1:28 PM

While the Fire phone does have good hardware advantages, I dislike its software entirely. They advertise it as an Android phone, but it's more-so like an operating system on its own, backed by Android.

Tsutarja May 9th, 2015 5:56 AM

So I found out the difficult way yesterday (as in, my phone almost died) that my car charger has a short in it. :|

Legendary Silke May 9th, 2015 6:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8743134)
So I found out the difficult way yesterday (as in, my phone almost died) that my car charger has a short in it. :|

Sounds like it needed replacing.

How did you find out that it was shorted out, anyway?

Hybrid Trainer May 9th, 2015 6:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flight (Post 8740701)
I thought the Fire phone was pretty much mediore/below average as far as software is concerned, right? They've tried to make it so that it competes with Android and iPhone but....they've got a long way to go.

I can't say I'm surprised. How long has Android had to perfect its software? The fire phone hasn't been around for that long

Tsutarja May 9th, 2015 7:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8743173)
How did you find out that it was shorted out, anyway?

When you try to plug it in and the green light (indicating that it's working) keeps going on and off while trying to plug it in.

Legendary Silke May 10th, 2015 1:26 AM

I'm beginning to think that it might be a good idea to just open up a new thread on T&I about Windows tablets, as I kind of want to get a new one to replace my creaky old one (that is basically a browser in hardware form nowadays, and it's not even doing well at that).

donavannj May 10th, 2015 1:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8740694)
While the Fire phone does have good hardware advantages, I dislike its software entirely. They advertise it as an Android phone, but it's more-so like an operating system on its own, backed by Android.

So are you saying it's more than just a custom fork of Android? 'cause all the major smartphone makers have their own forks/flavors of Android that they pack into their phones.

And the Amazon App Store is really just an alternate Android app marketplace.

Crunch Punch May 12th, 2015 7:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8738602)
I dunno why, but I really want an Android phone, and one that is not el cheapo and the budget brand. Too bad that most of the ones that are up-to-date aren't available unlocked at an affordable price.

Look at the Moto G 2nd Gen! That's the phone I use myself right now. It cost me £144, but trust me the phone operates at a level much higher than that price tag. It has a 5-inch 720p display, Snapdragon 400 CPU, 8MP rear camera, front-facing speakers and a microSD card slot. For the money you will be paying this phone is an exceptional buy, trust me.

Tsutarja May 12th, 2015 8:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nauje (Post 8747685)
Look at the Moto G 2nd Gen! That's the phone I use myself right now. It cost me £144, but trust me the phone operates at a level much higher than that price tag. It has a 5-inch 720p display, Snapdragon 400 CPU, 8MP rear camera, front-facing speakers and a microSD card slot. For the money you will be paying this phone is an exceptional buy, trust me.

Yeah, you're right! I looked at its specs and it is indeed good for the price. The only thing stopping me is perhaps the fact that it runs Kitkat 4.4.4, and I'd prefer Lollipop lol.

Hopefully the phone is still available at the end of the year, around Christmas. :P

Crunch Punch May 12th, 2015 8:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8747707)
Yeah, you're right! I looked at its specs and it is indeed good for the price. The only thing stopping me is perhaps the fact that it runs Kitkat 4.4.4, and I'd prefer Lollipop lol.

Hopefully the phone is still available at the end of the year, around Christmas. :P

The Lollipop update for the Moto G has already been rolled out, I've been running Lollipop for a few months now! I live in the UK too, so the 5.0 update should definitely be available in the States.

donavannj May 12th, 2015 8:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8747716)
I hate when companies do that. Android is a great OS in and of itself, but when companies start screwing around with the OS and add their own crap to it, it really slows it down and ruins the device. Samsung has their proprietary framework, TouchWiz, and it is absurdly bloated. Same goes for Alcatel - they customized the OS so much that parts of it are broken!

Wait, that was a wholly customized interface on my OneTouch Fierce? Sure didn't feel that way compared to TouchWiz on the Galaxy devices. That device was more stable compared to my HTC Sensation and HTC G2 before it as well. But maybe that's because the HTC Sense interface may have been horribly broken and the Sensation has/had battery firmware issues.

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8747707)
Yeah, you're right! I looked at its specs and it is indeed good for the price. The only thing stopping me is perhaps the fact that it runs Kitkat 4.4.4, and I'd prefer Lollipop lol.

Hopefully the phone is still available at the end of the year, around Christmas. :P

A lot of the flagship phones from the past year are still stuck at 4.4.4 either by carrier choice or by manufacturer choice. My Xperia z3 is still stuck at 4.4.4 because of either Sony or Verizon's decision not to push an update out.

Tsutarja May 12th, 2015 8:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nauje (Post 8747724)
The Lollipop update for the Moto G has already been rolled out, I've been running Lollipop for a few months now! I live in the UK too, so the 5.0 update should definitely be available in the States.

In the US, the Moto G is only on KitKat. Apparently it's in the UK where it's on Lollipop.

Crunch Punch May 12th, 2015 8:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8747741)
In the US, the Moto G is only on KitKat. Apparently it's in the UK where it's on Lollipop.

I'm pretty confident the Lollipop update is available in the US...

http://motorola-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/its-time-to-unwrap-android-5-lollipop.html
https://twitter.com/Motorola/status/558477728253743104
http://www.androidauthority.com/moto-g-1gen-2nd-gen-lollipop-india-us-582181/

The phone comes with KitKat, and then you update it to Lollipop afterwards.

Tsutarja May 12th, 2015 9:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nauje (Post 8747779)
I'm pretty confident the Lollipop update is available in the US...

http://motorola-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/its-time-to-unwrap-android-5-lollipop.html
https://twitter.com/Motorola/status/558477728253743104
http://www.androidauthority.com/moto-g-1gen-2nd-gen-lollipop-india-us-582181/

The phone comes with KitKat, and then you update it to Lollipop afterwards.

Huh, interesting. Weird though that they still manufacture the device to come with Kitkat; you'd think that they would start later shipments to already include Lollipop. Guess not.

Starry Windy May 14th, 2015 1:09 AM

Oh, seriously? I thought Nexus supposed to be one of Google's trump card if it comes to smartphones. And I'm wondering if the battery problem is caused by big power consumption, or the lack of battery capacity. And I think the affordable price should be a priority as well (while keeping the quality intact), which was the reason I decided to buy Xiaomi phones back then.

Even though now Google has released the series of affordable-priced phones under the umbrella of Android One (which is available on selected countries, iirc, like where I live), but still.

Tsutarja May 14th, 2015 5:39 AM

The Nexus phones in general are just "overpriced" in my opinion (of course, overpriced is in in quotes because you may feel otherwise). However, they did do great with the pricing of the Nexus 7 2013 tablet, which was one of the reasons I got one when it was still hot and trendy.

Frequency May 17th, 2015 3:28 AM

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Originally Posted by flight (Post 8751763)
I definitely don't expect Google to release a super flagship within the $150-250 range, and that's completely fine with me.

I mean when you consider the fact that they own Motorola (last I checked), they don't need to when the Moto series is sitting right under their desks waiting to be sold to budgeters like myself.

That said, I'd nab a nexus if it wasn't exactly because of the pricing.

Tsutarja May 17th, 2015 4:23 AM

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Originally Posted by White Glint (Post 8754148)
I mean when you consider the fact that they own Motorola (last I checked), they don't need to when the Moto series is sitting right under their desks waiting to be sold to budgeters like myself.

That said, I'd nab a nexus if it wasn't exactly because of the pricing.

Nope, Motorola Mobility is now under the ownership of Lenovo, and has been since late last year.

Starry Windy May 17th, 2015 5:23 AM

Oh, really? I almost forgot that Motorolla's on Lenovo now. Btw, this makes me wondering if any merger of phone brands can become a success or not, tho, even though I think Sony Ericsson succeeds quite well imo before Sony drops the Ericsson moniker.

Frequency May 17th, 2015 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8754195)
Nope, Motorola Mobility is now under the ownership of Lenovo, and has been since late last year.

Wellllllp.

Will google create a cheap flagship model? Or will we have to settle for searching for a cheap Nexus 5 on craigslist? Find out next time on Dragon Ball Z!

Tsutarja May 19th, 2015 5:09 PM

Maybe I'm just an ignorant on the subject, but I for one do not understand at all what makes mobile phones different from tablets. I'm looking at you, Google, with the price of a Nexus 7 compared to a Nexus 5. ;)

esperance May 19th, 2015 5:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8757980)
Maybe I'm just an ignorant on the subject, but I for one do not understand at all what makes mobile phones different from tablets. I'm looking at you, Google, with the price of a Nexus 7 compared to a Nexus 5. ;)

These days it seems to be just the size of the screen, the amount of memory a company is willing to stuff on it, and the price. :P

Tsutarja May 20th, 2015 4:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Heart (Post 8757993)
These days it seems to be just the size of the screen, the amount of memory a company is willing to stuff on it, and the price. :P

Still doesn't make sense though as to how a tablet can cost less than a phone. hm..

Anyways, having a Windows 8 tablet is great if you use YouTube for music, like me. :P

esperance May 20th, 2015 5:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8758674)
Still doesn't make sense though as to how a tablet can cost less than a phone. hm..

Anyways, having a Windows 8 tablet is great if you use YouTube for music, like me. :P

Must be nice to use Windows 8 as it was intended, instead of the awkward setup for laptops.

Legendary Silke May 20th, 2015 5:59 AM

I don't find a real use for pure tablets to be honest, then again my use cases tend to involve prolonged typing.

Tsutarja May 20th, 2015 6:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Heart (Post 8758763)
Must be nice to use Windows 8 as it was intended, instead of the awkward setup for laptops.

I've been using Windows 8 in a desktop environment for sometime now, and it's really no different than Windows 7. If you don't use the Start Menu often, then it'll feel less and less like an OS meant for tablets. :P

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8758769)
I don't find a real use for pure tablets to be honest, then again my use cases tend to involve prolonged typing.

That's the only thing with tablets that I dislike—they aren't meant for typing for long periods of time. In the case of Windows 8, it'd be neat if they built a Swype-like environment in for the touch keyboard.

By the way, how's your status with a laptop? Any luck as of late?

Circuit May 20th, 2015 6:23 AM

I used Windows 8 for a long time. It was great. The start menu actually isn't that hard to navigate really, as there is a way to access all programs from the apps page, so it's more like a visual upgrade than anything else. That, and Windows 8 is much more processing efficient than Windows 7, and a lot better for gaming and so on. Sadly I had to down-grade when my PC broke, but hey. I get a free version of 10 I think, from what Microsoft has said, but I've no idea how that will actually work out.

GreenFlame May 20th, 2015 7:47 AM

It would be nice if Linux was the new Windows, honestly. But since it isn't, I still use Windows, but I'd like to start using Linux too.

Legendary Silke May 20th, 2015 9:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8758773)
I've been using Windows 8 in a desktop environment for sometime now, and it's really no different than Windows 7. If you don't use the Start Menu often, then it'll feel less and less like an OS meant for tablets. :P

That's the only thing with tablets that I dislike—they aren't meant for typing for long periods of time. In the case of Windows 8, it'd be neat if they built a Swype-like environment in for the touch keyboard.

By the way, how's your status with a laptop? Any luck as of late?

Hopefully they do get around to it in Windows 10.

I'm already with my laptop for several weeks. Turns out that the fans were mostly blocked and the thermal paste went. So the fans got cleaned up and the paste reapplied.

Now I have a laptop that runs cool :)

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Originally Posted by Cosmic (Post 8758903)
It would be nice if Linux was the new Windows, honestly. But since it isn't, I still use Windows, but I'd like to start using Linux too.

I'd suspect that's extremely unlikely to happen on the desktop space. Not while there's still the problem of too many distributions and lack of application compatibility to deal with. Substitutes mean nothing, really. Sometimes, you really need the real deal.

GreenFlame May 20th, 2015 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8758991)
I'd suspect that's extremely unlikely to happen on the desktop space. Not while there's still the problem of too many distributions and lack of application compatibility to deal with. Substitutes mean nothing, really. Sometimes, you really need the real deal.

The compatibility issues are because not as many developers make for Linux, because there is a lack of userbase. And the lack of userbase can be attributed to the lack of compatibility, so....it's an impasse.

Linux feels more "lightweight" as an OS to me than Windows, and I can't say I'm a huge fan of Microsoft either.

Legendary Silke May 20th, 2015 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic (Post 8759038)
The compatibility issues are because not as many developers make for Linux, because there is a lack of userbase. And the lack of userbase can be attributed to the lack of compatibility, so....it's an impasse.

Chicken-and-egg, huh?

I'm also thinking of incompatibility between certain software that were explicitly tested for a select few distributions, too. Sometimes I wish these software got along.

I'm also of the opinion that if you ever had poor default options out-of-the-box for the average Joe, you have pretty much failed in making a good desktop user's OS. I prefer to keep set-up time to a minimum outside of missing drivers (which is basically a fact of life on any OS that didn't come pre-installed, really). I'm also in the camp where a desktop user's OS shouldn't even bother forcing the user to get to the command prompt or a similar shell just to get certain system-level tasks done, either. (I'll admit, the GUI tools are getting better every day, but I'd rather prefer that everything is there. Hopefully that has changed for the better.)

Operating systems that attempt to cater to power users tend to...fail.

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Originally Posted by Cosmic (Post 8759038)
Linux feels more "lightweight" as an OS to me than Windows, and I can't say I'm a huge fan of Microsoft either.

I'd probably agree with you on that, but there's also the beauty of an operating system that can work with everything.

In addition, Windows requirements ha been on a standstill for almost a decade, while the baseline hardware that you can get today have just kept getting better. We're now at the point where $99 Windows tablets can run pretty well and play some last-generation console ports. These systems are more than fast enough for most productivity tasks, too - the current Intel Atoms have about the same aggregate performance as a Core 2 Duo, and that thing is still perfectly workable today. (Intel really got it with Conroe.)

If Windows can ship with such devices and run well, I wonder if there's even a place for Linux on the desktop.

Speaking of computers, I think I'm going to just keep wondering what I'll be getting as a replacement for my Surface RT.

GreenFlame May 20th, 2015 1:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Twiggy (Post 8759176)
In addition, Windows requirements ha been on a standstill for almost a decade, while the baseline hardware that you can get today have just kept getting better. We're now at the point where $99 Windows tablets can run pretty well and play some last-generation console ports. These systems are more than fast enough for most productivity tasks, too - the current Intel Atoms have about the same aggregate performance as a Core 2 Duo, and that thing is still perfectly workable today. (Intel really got it with Conroe.)

If Windows can ship with such devices and run well, I wonder if there's even a place for Linux on the desktop.

Microsoft shipping hardware that includes their OS is a little irrelevant to the actual OS.
I haven't done it yet (I'd love to do it soon), but I personally would be building a gaming PC for my Linux use (perhaps with Windows installed on the side for Windows-exclusive games and features).

I wouldn't mind not having limited out-of-the-box compatibility (and it's not that bad, anyway), since Linux is far less bloated than Windows anyway. In the end, I would doubt Linux would ever replace Windows, but I do hope it gets almost as much support as it - Linux deserves it :).

Legendary Silke May 20th, 2015 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic (Post 8759278)
Microsoft shipping hardware that includes their OS is a little irrelevant to the actual OS.
I haven't done it yet (I'd love to do it soon), but I personally would be building a gaming PC for my Linux use (perhaps with Windows installed on the side for Windows-exclusive games and features).

Read what I wrote again. I never said anything about their shipping hardware that includes their OS for that part - it's just an observation on Windows and the hardware that ships with it these days, Microsoft or not. The baseline hardware has caught up, really, so it's kind of difficult to get a poor Windows experience, performance-wise these days.

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Originally Posted by Cosmic (Post 8759278)
I wouldn't mind not having limited out-of-the-box compatibility (and it's not that bad, anyway), since Linux is far less bloated than Windows anyway. In the end, I would doubt Linux would ever replace Windows, but I do hope it gets almost as much support as it - Linux deserves it :).

Haha! I guess we can dream.

Though, I don't think "bloat" is always a bad thing - in fact, calling it bloat might be a bit...harsh, as sometimes, the so-called "bloat" is actually a constraint due to the need of supporting, well, everything remotely relevant. You'd be surprised how small Windows can actually get if you never needed these stuff (Windows on phones, anyone?).

Though, there's also the rule of "A user probably doesn't need 90% of the features in something, but every user has a different 10% that he/she needs". Good luck shipping something light if it doesn't cover all bases.

Tsutarja May 21st, 2015 2:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic (Post 8759278)
since Linux is far less bloated than Windows anyway

I do want to comment on this and say that Windows is not bloated at all if you install Windows from a Microsoft CD, rather than from a manufacturer's CD.

GreenFlame May 21st, 2015 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 8760920)
I do want to comment on this and say that Windows is not bloated at all if you install Windows from a Microsoft CD, rather than from a manufacturer's CD.

I suppose so. I like the lightweight feel of Linux though, and other things as well. I do still use Windows, and it's not a bad OS, but I would definitely like to attempt to use Linux in the long run and see how it turns out. From the experience I have with Linux though, it's nice.

I do hope Linux gets more support.

Tsutarja May 21st, 2015 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8761104)
I can't wait for Windows 10 for this. I can get rid of all the Acer bloatware on my laptop finally.

Does your laptop not have a product key label on it? That'd be the only reason I assume you aren't able to install from scratch.

Tsutarja May 21st, 2015 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8761300)
Nope. However, since the product key is tied to the motherboard, I could if I wanted to. From what I've heard though, installing from scratch on this laptop is a bit of a task because of drivers and whatnot.

Wow, that's strange. I think I remember one time trying to find my laptop's original product key and it didn't work with other installations of Windows 8 when I tried to use it. Luckily for me, as a STEM student, I have access to Windows 8.1 Pro.

GreenFlame May 21st, 2015 7:42 PM

I finished a little utility program in C++ :D

I'm gonna release it in a blog post, though it's sort of a prototype.

Tsutarja May 22nd, 2015 8:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic (Post 8761400)
I finished a little utility program in C++ :D

I'm gonna release it in a blog post, though it's sort of a prototype.

Nice! I wish I could code some things for personal use, but at the same time, I never have ideas. ;;

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Originally Posted by Team Fail (Post 8761512)
So this evening I experimented with a new ROM on my Android phone. While it was really nice, the SIM card didn't like it. So I'm trying to get my phone working because now the kernel isn't cooperating with the stock backup. Welp.

Ugh. Hopefully the folks at XDA can be a bit of help if you've asked over there already.


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