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Altairis May 4th, 2015 10:23 PM

Were the ORAS games just as good as the originals?
 
Or better? Why do you think one is better than the other? Do you think it was worth purchasing ORAS if one could snag an original copy? I'm just interested to see how it measured up and what the general opinion is!

ugtgrime May 5th, 2015 5:10 AM

I've only played a few hours on omega ruby so far. But from what I've seen do far I do prefer it to the original. I think it's because of the mass amount of content and new mechanics.

Laguna May 5th, 2015 5:15 AM

I personally think ORAS is a lot better then the originals with all of the added content, plus they toned down on all the more annoying parts of the game. The only thing I would like to see is some sort of Battle Frontier like in Emerald, because frankly the Battle Resort as it is in ORAS is terribly disappointing.

Hikamaru May 5th, 2015 5:37 AM

I enjoyed OR/AS much better than the originals. The modern mechanics and physical/special split made using most of the Pokemon much more effective compared to back then, and while there was some features that people were happy with such as DexNav, it still had the disappointment of having a Battle Maison as opposed to the Battle Frontier many wanted but granted this is not an Emerald remake. All the new Mega Evolutions are great to use as well.

Pinkie-Dawn May 5th, 2015 6:26 AM

OR/AS still kept the same problems the originals had before, but the mechanics made it better than the originals, so that gives it an edge.

November Lima May 5th, 2015 6:53 AM

I prefer ORAS. It's cool, it's a bit easier in the control department than XY (damn you, rollerskates!) and it really, really looks stunning. I never cared very much about Sapphire but it was good, Emerald was great, but ORAS is simply better. The only thing I'd loved to see was the Battle Frontier, as does everybody else. Maybe it'll come in DLC?

Another small nuisance is the way the world has been divided in blocks, something that RSE didn't have as much, IIRC. This is certainly noticeable in the ocean between Lilycove/Evergrande/Slateport.

Loriania May 5th, 2015 7:06 AM

I liked the original Sapphire, but I am liking AS a lot too. Wish I'd played Emerald though.

MegaRegisteel May 5th, 2015 7:53 AM

ORAS was definitely an improvement over the originals, just because it has more stuff really.

AquaMarine8 May 5th, 2015 11:19 AM

I picked "neither are significantly better or worse than the other". I do love R/S/E just as much as OR/AS. Playing them back in the day was just as awesome as playing OR/AS are now, to me.

Rogue-Paladin-Mirage May 5th, 2015 11:56 AM

The Originals were better
 
I pretty much liked the old games. i mean- they have the feels and stuff. The 3ds games never really had that effect on me

Bounsweet May 5th, 2015 12:02 PM

RSE are probably the most nostalgic for me, so I love them a lot on a subjective level. More objectively speaking, ORAS had much, much better mechanics plus all of the new features that weren't around when RSE were out. I think they carried over the atmosphere reallly well, too.

So I mean, looking at it from that point of view, I'd say ORAS were definitely better.

Dreg May 5th, 2015 1:55 PM

ORAS ended up being my favorite pokemon games, mainly because I loved the originals, and there were so many things that were implemented into the game over the originals. I played it for a long time, and I enjoyed it a lot more. So yeah, ORAS wins by a longshot.

donavannj May 5th, 2015 2:00 PM

ORAS were better just simply based off of the improved mechanics and pacing of play.

RSE had some nostalgia value and cloning (plus the Emerald Battle Frontier was quite a bit of fun), but surfing felt like it took hours in RSE, versus in ORAS where it didn't feel anywhere near that long.

TheKantoKid May 7th, 2015 10:57 PM

I think they're better because of the new mechanics like no poison dying while walking or the quick way to use items. I also like the updated graphics and the inclusion of new pokemon. I missed Treeko~

blue May 8th, 2015 3:26 AM

I think ORAS are better than the originals. They did have some minor flaws, but overall I think the games recreated Hoenn perfectly. Not only that but they also introduced the updated game mechanics and added a few awesome features too.

Spinosaurus May 13th, 2015 4:13 PM

The only addition that ORAS added that I'd say is worth it DexNav and faster surfing. Otherwise, you wouldn't lose a thing by playing the originals.

The only thing ORAS improved on RS is the surfing. Everything else is an added addition or just updated to the current standards. NOTHING is actually improved beyond the surfing.

Actually I prefer the originals by far because it's 60fps, way easier and more streamlined to navigate, actually looks good (ORAS is butt ugly outside of battles), has the better music, doesn't play as clunky at all and most of all isn't bloated.

Oh and it has the safari zone. I love safari zone. :| Not to mention the better Mauville (the new one just not fun to navigate. At all.) and Granite Cave.

edit: Are we counting Emerald? Because I hope to god none of you are suggesting ORAS is as good as Emerald.
Emerald improved on the original RS's flaws. ORAS carried over RS's flaws. ORAS made the big mistake of staying true to the original's designs while ignoring the actual, improved version.

Cerberus87 May 13th, 2015 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8749551)
Actually I prefer the originals by far because it's 60fps, way easier and more streamlined to navigate, actually looks good (ORAS is butt ugly outside of battles), has the better music, doesn't play as clunky at all and most of all isn't bloated.

60 fps came at a graphical cost too large to ignore. It wasn't nearly as impressive as it could've been, and IMO barely better than Crystal. Sprites were far worse than Crystal and used dubious colors. Effects weren't impressive, sometimes copied from previous games.

I hate the stuttering 6th gen has but IMO even worse than that is when the game looks unimpressive and rather bland like RSE and FRLG did.

Spinosaurus May 13th, 2015 5:05 PM

I said looked good, didn't say it looked great or anything.

I'm aware RSE aren't exactly pushing the hardware. Mother 3 looks like it's on a completely different level in comparison.
http://i.imgur.com/CscF31I.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/fDzTTsB.png

http://i.imgur.com/Rpsu1RK.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/wJsHkTs.png

But it's not bad or ugly. Just really simple, which I'd take over looking jagged and ugly any day. Bonus for 60fps.

bobandbill May 13th, 2015 7:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8749595)
I said looked good, didn't say it looked great or anything.

I'm aware RSE aren't exactly pushing the hardware. Mother 3 looks like it's on a completely different level in comparison.
http://i.imgur.com/CscF31I.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/fDzTTsB.png

http://i.imgur.com/Rpsu1RK.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/wJsHkTs.png

But it's not bad or ugly. Just really simple, which I'd take over looking jagged and ugly any day. Bonus for 60fps.

To be fair to RSE, Mother 3 benefited from a much longer development time, and a later release to RSE too iirc (e.g. how the sound from that game is so much better than RSE's trumpets - by then people figured out how to do sound on the GBA). May be a bit of an unfair comparison. =p

I did miss some things in Emerald - e.g. the number of double battles it had, a certain frontier, etc. I also dislike some of the things that went missing (Granite Cave, or at least needing to explore it to find Steven [don't mind redesigns to caves], the Berry mixing game). But overall I feel its polishing (surfing IS better, the improvements to Team Magma/Aqua plots, revamped secret bases) and additions (DEXNAV, Sea Mauville sidestory, soaring, Delta episode) outweighs those disappointments personally.

Also don't care too much for the 60 fps RSE had - it was neat but not something I care much about - nor do I fell ORAS was 'butt ugly' in its overworld. But each to their own, haha - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm fine with how ORAS looked, although it'd be nice for 3D in the overworld by now, Game Freak.

Cerberus87 May 13th, 2015 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8749595)
But it's not bad or ugly. Just really simple, which I'd take over looking jagged and ugly any day. Bonus for 60fps.

Pokémon is turn-based RPG. It's not a precision game (like i.e. Star Fox). Doesn't need 60 fps. 30 is enough.

4th gen for example wasn't slow because of fps, but untapped potential in hardware and possibly poor coding. How were GF able to do faster health bars and transitions in 5th gen with same hardware and pseudo 3D arenas as opposed to 2D graphics in 4th gen? Even Platinum and HGSS are faster than DP. BW saves faster than DPPt too, obviously not due to fps but hardware utilization.

The 3D models alone in XYORAS are a lot better looking than any sprite in RSEFRLG. The 3rd gen sprites are among the worst in the series, only superior to certain 1st and 2nd gen sprites, and not even all of them. It also saves GF the need to make a 3D arena battling Pokémon game on the Wii U, since the 3DS is more than enough for that and the effects look very pretty.

The better way is to achieve balance. If your game hits 60 fps but looks like a pile of turd you won't impress the mainstream buyer. Console makers have always tried to demonstrate what their machines are capable of, and this isn't achieved by 60 fps but better looks since those create the first impression and you can give up a few fps if needed. There's an ideal balance between fluidity and eyecandy for each machine and each gamer. 60 fps should be a ceiling rather than a medium number, especially since above 60 fps count is irrelevant to most gamers, not cost effective in the case of people who want the eyecandy, and not interesting for people who give more importance to immersion by graphics rather than fluidity. Consoles themselves shouldn't even be trying to aspire to constant 60 fps, because they're too weak for that.

I remember in some N64 games you could switch between low and highres modes. I preferred the lowres mode in Perfect Dark because it was faster while still looking better than Rare's previous title Goldeneye. But it still wasn't 60 fps. And the gameplay was adjusted for that, since N64 controller doesn't provide same precision as mouse aiming, and guards reacted slower. To rise to 60 fps on the N64 you needed very basic graphics like those in F-Zero X, which was a game where sense of speed was needed, hence giving everything up for 60 fps.

Starry Windy May 14th, 2015 12:49 AM

ORAS definitely surpassed its original iterations of Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald in many ways, because it has modern features that make it stand out much more. Like Mega Evolutions, riding with Latias or Latios, unlimited usage of TMs and all, topped with battling 5 Team Aqua/Magma grunts at the same time via Hordes Battles (that's the kind of grunt matches that I wanted it to be) and improved storyline.

hooville May 14th, 2015 8:17 AM

I think I prefer ORAS. The original Ruby/Sapphire games were my least favorite Pokemon games. They broke ground with the graphics, natures (I think....right? Weren't they the first to introduce natures), but I was less enthused by the Pokemon in the game.

That said, I'm loving my Alpha Sapphire. Riding Latias is key. I just wish they took more elements of Y and X (like personalized outfits).

mikey May 14th, 2015 12:32 PM

I think I prefer the originals, just because they seemed more challenging to me.

Although, ORAS are fantastic remakes that I do love. Definitely a close one!

Altairis May 15th, 2015 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8749764)
I did miss some things in Emerald - e.g. the number of double battles it had, a certain frontier, etc. I also dislike some of the things that went missing (Granite Cave, or at least needing to explore it to find Steven [don't mind redesigns to caves], the Berry mixing game). But overall I feel its polishing (surfing IS better, the improvements to Team Magma/Aqua plots, revamped secret bases) and additions (DEXNAV, Sea Mauville sidestory, soaring, Delta episode) outweighs those disappointments personally.

Just wanted to quote this because it echoes my feelings exactly \o/ I was really disappointed at the lack/changing of certain things, but a lot of the things they added to ORAS specifically (ex. not just inclusion of Mega Evolutions, which comes with every new game now presumably) such as DexNav and Soaring made it WAY worth it.

I was worried about seeing Hoenn in the XY graphics and thought they would be butt-ugly, but I actually like how they turned out, but I kinda wish that the routes seemed bigger; probably just because I'm older, but I felt like I didn't have to walk around for a while to get to the next place.

Also I'm glad that the response is generally positive to ORAS - 19 people voted for ORAS and 4 for RSE as of this post! :D I understand why people would vote for the third option, though I wonder if it would be the same if I asked regarding RB vs FRLG and GSC vs HGSS?

Buu May 15th, 2015 11:43 PM

Honestly the remakes are by far better as all Pokemon remakes have been, however you can't take away the feeling that RSE gives you when you play it, the only downside to the originals is that they don't have online features (excluding PokeMMO).


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