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Do you really think Jynx is a 'negative racial stereotype of African-Americans'*?
Nope, it's clearly a fictional character and it isn't a human so it can't be considered as racial stereotype. Do you think the allegation against Jynx is the reason why she didn't get an evolution in Generation IV* as well as a Mega Evolution in Generation VI*? If so, was it fair to Jynx to get ignored? Sadly yes. It was really unfair to Jynx to get ignored, americans should learn to separate reality and fictional characters better. Do you think Frolass was intended to be Jynx's intended evolution? (Probably under a different design, think Blaziken/Latias' initial design, Frolass might have a different base stat than her finalized stat.) Interesting theory, I think it might be intended to be Jynx's intended evolution. Do you think it was a wise decision to change Jynx's face color? Why? Yes because USA is so big market area and racial things are really serious business there. The color change might helped Nintendo or Game Freak to run away from potential troubles, but did it helped Jynx? At least it has saved Jynx from being censored in the American versions of games. |
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Now onto the questions. 1. No. Pokemon is a Japanese creation and Jynx is portrayed as a Santa's Elf like helper in the anime. Jynx is dressed like an Opera Singer (See her Emerald Sprite) and Opera singers are stereotypically white. 2. I think so. It got a baby form in Gen 2 but was ignored in Gen 4 completely whilst other similar Pokemon got evolutions including other Psychic Types like Kirlia to Gallade. 3. The Shiny form of Froslass has the same colour fabric (Purpley Pink) than Jynx's dress. I think if Froslass was Jynx's evolution they would have incorporated the hair in some way (Maybe as a cape). I think Froslass being an evolution of Jynx at one point is a real possibility. 4. Yes. The Blackface and lips had unfortunate resemblances to a Golliwog which many find to be offensive depictions of black people even though Jynx is not based on them. The Purple is less controversial and looks better to me than the black. 5. No not really. To the casual Pokemon gamer Jynx is a strange looking ice type with a long cry which Google says was in an episode that got banned. Until it gets an evolution I can't see that changing unfortunately. |
Do you really think Jynx is a 'negative racial stereotype of African-Americans'*?
Not to me. I think Jynx was meant to represent something else, I wish people didn't see her that way. Do you think the allegation against Jynx is the reason why she didn't get an evolution in Generation IV* as well as a Mega Evolution in Generation VI*? If so, was it fair to Jynx to get ignored? Probably. The controversy happened when G/S/C have already been released, right? Maybe they were planning an evolution for her, similar to Magmar/Electabuzz, but had to cancel it for fear of starting another similar controversy. And no, it wasn't fair. Maybe they should've boosted her stats a little, to compensate for it somehow I guess. Do you think Frolass was intended to be Jynx's intended evolution? (Probably under a different design, think Blaziken/Latias' initial design, Frolass might have a different base stat than her finalized stat.) Never thought about that. They're both female, ice, and slightly magical. But it kinda stops there. Oh, and I had a look at Blaziken and Latias' early design, and I think I might have nightmares soon. Do you think it was a wise decision to change Jynx's face color? Why? Yes, to alleviate the controversy. There's hundreds more of pokemons anyway, and Jynx with a purple face looks no stranger than a Jynx with black face to me. The color change might helped Nintendo or Game Freak to run away from potential troubles, but did it helped Jynx? Nope. I think Jynx is still normal(or abnormal, in her case). She was meant to be a strange pokemon, like how some Psychic types are, and I can accept that ^^ Well, that's my thoughts on the topic. That really gave me something to think about. |
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Since Jynx wasn't made with ill intentions, she shouldn't get ignored by the gamers or officials. Or completely retcon her out of the franchise, instead of ignoring her. It doesn't mean I hate Jynx nor she should be retcon for the best, I meant the officials are ignoring her, then they should get rid of her instead of leaving her like that. While US is a huge market, I don't think it was wise to change the color. It made Game Freak looks really guilty, when they aren't to begin with, since Jynx wasn't made will ill purpose. Technically, that color change is a form of censor. But hey at least Jynx wasn't edited out of Lorelei, Skier Diana and Will's team! I believe that black face wasn't actually a solid thing, it was more like a hollow-thing, like Gastly? So it wasn't really a skin to begin with, she doesn't even have a feet (according to games, the most standard definition of all Pokémedias). Yeah, the concern regarding Jynx begun around year 2000, Smoochum was already made /released in year 1999 through Pocket Monsters Kin/Jin (aka Japanese versions of Gold and Silver) before the controversy started. If the controversy started before Smoochum made her debut, there could be chances for Smoochum getting crossed out. I love how Gothet brought up the shiny variant, it further supports this theory. If you look at Froslass' head shape, it does resemble a cape/hood, so they might had the idea on incorporating the hair as Gothet suggested. The purple design we see nowadays resembles Hel a being who presides in Niflheim, according to the Norse mythology. Niflheim is notably a realm of frigid. Sadly , her stats wasn't modified in Gen VI, when other Pokémon like Krookodile, Roserade, Pidgeot got theirs modified as Dragoz suggested how it should be. To sum up, Jynx's one unfortunate Pokémon, she was truly jinxed. |
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Okay a crazy theory {XD} but wow, if it was true, then that's an incredible pun they made. |
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That would be the most cruel way to promote a Pokémon. It really backfired! {XD} Not to mention, if that was a gimmick to promote Jynx. Then they really had the intention of racism in mind, wvent though it was done purposely for sole marketing purpose. :P If there are no further opinions on the Jynx issue, I'll continue on with our last Psychic Pokémon related controversy, Kadabra. |
Do you really think Jynx is a 'negative racial stereotype of African-Americans'*?
Idk did you see the banned episode? Do you think the allegation against Jynx is the reason why she didn't get an evolution in Generation IV* as well as a Mega Evolution in Generation VI*? If so, was it fair to Jynx to get ignored? Yep and yes i never liked Jynx myself but maybe if they give it a mega it would actually look good for the couple minutes you see it in battle. Do you think Frolass was intended to be Jynx's intended evolution? (Probably under a different design, think Blaziken/Latias' initial design, Frolass might have a different base stat than her finalized stat.) No Froslass is to good to go near Jynx..However 4th gen would have been a perfect time to introduce a evoltution hmmmm.... Do you think it was a wise decision to change Jynx's face color? Why? The color change might helped Nintendo or Game Freak to run away from potential troubles, but did it helped Jynx? I saw no difference really it didnt hurt Jynx but it didnt excatly help Jynx either. Honestly the only way to help Jynx is probably to give it a evolution so they can say it was going through its weird years as a jynx (2nd evoltuion) and then boom its an adult and cute as smoochum! |
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Do you really think Kadabra is based on the aforementioned self proclaim-psychic?
Nope, the japanese name is just a coincidence. Do you think the symbol on Kadabra's abdomen is a representative of Nazi Germany? Not at all, the whole nazi controversy is actually hilariously stupid: 1) There's 3 lightning bolts on its abdomen but only 2 on the logo of the Waffen-SS. There's notable color difference between them as well. 2) The star on Kadabra's forehead can't even be anti-semitic because it's just like the symbol of communism (red star), communism was created by jews and red star is used as a symbol of antifascism. The article mentions Kadabra still evolves through trading even if it's equipped with Everstone*, is it really a coincidence? That's coincidence, it might just be a bug that went unnoticed through the development process and ended to be in the released games. Do you think it was a wise decision to not feature Kadabra in any printed materials*? Why? It's still featured in some pokédex posters which is IMO enough. Following the previous question, Abra gained a special permission to directly evolve into Alakazam in TCG*. Eventually the Abra line seems to have vanished from the TCG*. Do you think that's too much? Or was it a correct move from Nintendo*? That''s too much, they should've just banned that card if it were broken. While Jynx received a color change, Kadabra's design remained untouched. Was it fair? It was fair, the whole nazi controversy was so stupid that there's no need to change Kadabra's desing because of it. Which Pokémon between Jynx and Kadabra, has the worse controversy in your opinion? Did they deserve the 'punishment' they received? Jynx has the worse controversy because it had bigger consequences. |
1. No. The resemblance between the two names is an unfortunate coincidence and spoon bending is a feature of Psychics in general.
2. No. Kadabra is not anti-semitic. The star is just that a star and the lines on his stomach are simply markings. 3. Not sure. I think it might be a bug and due to the controversy Game Freak may have left it as it is. 4. It is fair to add a special Abra card. Those who use Alakazam's card should be allowed to do so regardless of a controversy. 5. Kadabra is yellow with brown and pink marks. A re-colouring would be needless as Mr Gellar is not that colour. Also Abra and Alakazam would also need to be re-coloured. 6. Definitely Jynx has been hurt more by their respective controversy. Alakazam (And by extension Kadabra) continues to be used and is among the most popular Psychic types. Jynx has disappeared and is behind not only Alakazam and Kadabra but also Gardevoir, Reuniclus and most other Psychic Types. Note on Espeon: I received a Shiny Espeon on Wonder Trade yesterday and think his green colouring is intentional. The Carbuncle in the Final Fantasy Games is green with a red jewel in it's forehead similar to Shiny Espeon. |
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I love your insight on Kadabra's features, Mewtolover. :) There have been other allegations towards Kadabra and Alakazam, which is religion related. But I didn't bring it up, as it might offend people with religions. But feel free to check it on Google and tell me your thoughts about it! {XD} Gothet, look at that thunderbolt symbols and the number of his fingers. >:) It's obvious those were simply scratch marks! {XD} Fair enough. Kadabra is a popular Pokémon but there are even more popular Pokémon there, so there isn't any real harm there. Sadly for the TCG players, no matter how fair is a special Abra card, the whole Abra line seems to have vanished from the TCG franchise. How about make the Abra line pink and fabulous? Just kidding~ I'm a bit surprised the stars and lightning bolts aren't erased or replaced with other symbols. It's interesting to note that Kadabra didn't have a star in his for head on the Japanese Red and Green versions, the lightning bolts are nearly invisible as well. http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/e/e8/Spr_1g_064.png While Kadabra's lightning bolts are visible, the star remains absent in the Japanese Blue version and international versions of Red and Blue. http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/d/d6/Spr_1b_064.png While Jynx's controversy was more serious, Kadabra's punishment was heavier. So heavy that its evolutionary line are affected! Wow, Gothet! Congrats on the Shiny Espeon! Seems like the Shiny Eeveelutions are drawn to you! ^_^ |
Do you really think Kadabra is based on the aforementioned self proclaim-psychic?
That's too far fetched. Although the names sound alike, I still think that it was just a coincidence. Do you think the symbol on Kadabra's abdomen is a representative of Nazi Germany? Nope. Definitely not. The article mentions Kadabra still evolves through trading even if it's equipped with Everstone*, is it really a coincidence? Maybe, it feels strange trying to connect things like that with the controversy. I'll have to go with the previous posters: maybe it was a bug and Game Freak probably left it like that to make it look less of a mistake. Do you think it was a wise decision to not feature Kadabra in any printed materials*? Why? Well, I'm all for preventing further issues, so I think it was a right move. Wouldn't want the franchise to get in trouble just because one of the pokemons caused a controversy that was left unsolved. Following the previous question, Abra gained a special permission to directly evolve into Alakazam in TCG*. Eventually the Abra line seems to have vanished from the TCG*. Do you think that's too much? Or was it a correct move from Nintendo*? The vanishing part sounds sad, I think they should've kept Abra's line. I mean, the problem was just with one pokemon, but it didn't have to affect the whole evolutionary line. Ik, it feels like it was too much for me, but I also think it was a correct move. While Jynx received a color change, Kadabra's design remained untouched. Was it fair? He did get punished via the TCG, so I think they're a tie. It's hard to say that it was fair, since what happened with both was unfair, but sometimes, we have to apologize if we have offended unintentionally and accept it. Which Pokémon between Jynx and Kadabra, has the worse controversy in your opinion? Did they deserve the 'punishment' they received? Kadabra's for me. Not so much of a fan of TCG, but having one whole evolutionary line affected, that's just too much. And no, they didn't deserve punishments :( but Game Freak had little choice. |
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It's interestingly, that 'bug' is still presented in Gen VI games. They could have 'fixed' Haunter and Boldore. {XD} Makes me wonder if they wanna get rid of Kadabra, yet they couldn't because it would be strange if Abra evolves into Alakazam in the core games. {XD} Yeah, it's a bit too much since the whole evolutionary line is affected. But it can be argued that Smoochum was introduced later than Jynx, or Smoochum might be further labelled as blackface children. :'( I just realized that Mira, one of the Stat Trainers in Gen IV games, didn't have a Kadabra with her in the anime for obvious reasons. {XD} My fellow members, if you wanna make a new topic feel free to do so, no need for my approve; as long as the active members have answered the topics and there's no more further discussions going on with the current topic, then you can make a topic.~ P.S. Main topics can be extended with sub-topics. ;) |
In that case, time to take off our minds from some serious stuff. So I'm gonna introduce a little bit of a challenge here.
Create your own Psychic-type Pokemon. Tell us its name(and if it is legendary) how it looks like, what are its types*, possible abilities, summary of stats** Pokedex entry(or even a whole myth/lore surrounding it), and what makes it worth catching***. You can also introduce an evolutionary line or two evolutionary lines that cross(ex: Karrablast and Shelmet). *If dual-type **Tell us what is its highest stats, and lowest if needed. You can be specific if you want. ***Is it worth catching because of its moves, abilities, stats? Try to convince! Here's mine! Spoiler:
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Ovnee
Basic description: An evolution form of Beheeyem. Type: Psychic Ability: Magic Bounce, Filter and Analytic (HA) Stats: HP 100 - Atk 50- Def 120 - S. A 140 - S. D 125 - Spe 20 Pokédex Entry: It hunts prey through telepathic powers. Ovnee devours its prey's mind, resulting the prey to be zoned-out for life. Why it's worth catching: It's a basically Psychic tank and its has nice Abilities. |
Gothility (The Noble Pokemon)
Type: Psychic/Steel How to get it: Level up a Male Gothorita holding an Armor Plate (New Item) Pokedex Entry: Few match it's honour and nobility. A meeting with this Pokémon will give the viewer a great sense of worth. Some believe it is the Rival to Gallade. Ablity: Justified or Hidden Ability Shadow Tag Strengths - Unrivalled Defense and Great Special Defense with Great Attack. Weaknesses: Terrible speed with middling Special Attack. Looks: Gothility has a black helmet with an open Visor showing his eyes. The hair of the Gothorita has become the feathered helmet top. The numerous bow markings have far lessened with only two bow emblems on the elbows of it's armour and one on the lapel. It also carries a large sword and learns Swords Dance and Iron defense on Evolution. Signature move: Noble Rend: Has 120 Power and is steel type, accuracy same as Hydro Pump. Mega? - Yes. It gains a cape similar to Gallade and has an open helmet. It's ability changes to sheer force. Shiny Form - Purple in it's regular form and White in Mega Form Worth Catching? - Yes. It's regular form is a more defensive alternative to Gallade and it's Mega is the one of the hardest hitters in the entire game. |
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The one in my imagine has the name of Gothlivan. {XD} Derived from Goth and Sullivan, Sullivan means dark eyes. |
Gothility is definitely a good alternate evolution on Gothita's line! You really put a lot of details into it.
Gotta love Ovnee's stats, it's a perfect tank that packs a punch at the same time. I got inspired, so I made another! This one's a legendary, and has a lore associated with it. Spoiler:
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Otherwise Gothet and Mewtwolover are open to make a new topic soon.~ EDIT: Ah.. Since Gothet and Mewtwolover didn't make a new topic, while Dragoz didn't extend his new topic. So here I go. New topic: What difference would it make if Psychic-type didn't exist in Pokémon game? (Can be your own feeling or thoughts to the Pokémon franchise as a whole.) |
What difference would it make if Psychic-type didn't exist in Pokémon game? (Can be your own feeling or thoughts to the Pokémon franchise as a whole.)
It would make a notable difference because it would feel that something is missing. Obviously I'd likely have different favorite Pokémons if Psychic-type didn't exist. |
What difference would it make if Psychic-type didn't exist in Pokémon game? (Can be your own feeling or thoughts to the Pokémon franchise as a whole.)
My mind instantly went to the pure Psychic-types. I mean, those dual-types can easily be replaced with another, but think of the evolutionary lines of Abra, Ralts(before VI), Drowzee, Gothita, Solosis, among others. It got me thinking if they wouldn't exist at all, or be probably different pokemons with similar design. |
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I would like to applaud Mewtwolover for voting our Psychic-type Club as Club of The Month, because of that one vote our Club is officially The Club of the month. Dragoz and Gothet please explain for the lack of your votes. <<< Just completely kidding!~ {XD} But yeah, thanks again for supporting and making this club active! This club wouldn't be the same without any of you! |
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Anyways, something kinda off-topic, I was searching the Smilies and found(for some reason, only now) the little Trozei thingies.... and look.... :t282: that's just so cute! |
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The whole orange one is a section you should be paying attention at, while the red part means those are the threads to pay with extra attention. Last but never least is our one and only Psychic-type Altar. *bows before the club* There are a few more Psychic-type smilies, try to look for them! So... Should we start a Psychic-type challenge? It's inspired by our lovely Gothet's Fairy-type challenge.~ |
- Your nickname: Ket/Ketsu
- Your Psychic-Type Club-Campaign Partner: Ralts - Reason for joining the club: Psychic is my favourite type and it has been so since I first played Sapphire all those years ago and I always use one in every game. It also helps that Gardevoir, my favourite Pokemon was always a Psychic type! That being said, the main reason I want to join is so that I can socialize and have fun with everyone while enjoying Psychic types. In summary, good friends, good conversation, good fun xD Which Psychic Type which currently does not have a Mega Evolution do you want/needs a Mega Evolution? Which Psychic Pokemon which has a Mega Evolution do you think did not need one? I'd love to see A Mega-Mr. Mime. Sounds like a scary thought but hey, I think it'd be really cool xD As to who doesn't need one, I'd have to say Mewtwo. Mewtwo is cool and I love Mewtwo Y but it was already so overpowered that a mega evolution seems a little too much. Thanks for reading and have an awesome day! |
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