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OGtrainerazmo October 3rd, 2015 7:55 AM

Mono dragon team
 
Ok so trying to find a good way to improve my mono dragon team within the following guidelines
Smogon OU and Below
Only 2 Pokemon with BST greater than 600 including mega
Singles format

Mega Charizard X
Tough Claws
Jolly
252 atk 252 speed 4 hp

Shadow claw
Dragon claw
Dragon dance
Fire punch

Kingdra
Sniper
Modest
Scope lens
252 satk 200 speed 56 HP

Focus energy
Draco Meteor
Scald
Flash cannon

Latios
Levitate
Life orb
Timid
252 satk 252 speed 4 hp

Draco Meteor
Magic Coat
Psyshock
Shadow Ball

Garchomp
Rough skin
Rocky helmet
Impish
252 HP 252 Def 4 Atk

Stealth Rock
Dragon Tail
Earthquake
Hone Claws

Dragalge
Adaptability
Relaxed
Black Sludge
252 satk 128 hp 128 def

Sludge bomb
Dragon pulse
Toxic
Thunderbolt

Flygon
Levitate
Choice scarf
Jolly
252 atk 252 speed 4 def

U-turn
Earthquake
Stone edge
Outrage

PlatinumDude October 3rd, 2015 11:02 AM

Technicially, Charizard doesn't count for mono-Dragon, as its regular form is Fire/Flying. It's only Fire/Dragon when Mega Evolved, which is temporary.

Anyway:

What does Shadow Claw even hit outside of Hoopa Confined? A STAB neutral Flare Blitz outdamages a 2x super effective Shadow Claw. Speaking of Flare Blitz, its extra power is worth the recoil, and said recoil can be healed with Roost. Also, put the last 4 EVs into either defensive stat, as putting them in HP will make Charizard's HP even, meaning it will get KOed by 2 Stealth Rock switch ins while in regular form:
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Dragon Claw
-Roost
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

Critdra /could/ work, but it has a bad tendency to get badly screwed over by offensive teams, which can outspeed it rather easily. In the end, Kingdra is better off on rain teams. Hydreigon is a better wall breaker that doesn't need setting up to be effective:
-Dark Pulse
-Draco Meteor
-Flash Cannon
-Superpower/Earth Power
Nature: Mild/Modest
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Dark Pulse
-Draco Meteor
-U-turn
-Earth Power
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Latios is better off as an all-out attacker. Magic Coat takes prediction to use, and Shadow Ball doesn't let it hit anything noteworthy, as Draco Meteor still outdamages a 2x super effective Shadow Ball:
-Draco Meteor
-Psyshock
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Roost/Recover/Earthquake
-Defog/Roost/Recover
Nature: Timid/Hasty
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Calm Mind
-Draco Meteor
-Psyshock
-Recover/Roost/Surf
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Draco Meteor
-Psyshock
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Defog
-Trick
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Apart from Gyarados, Thunderbolt doesn't let Dragalge hit anything else. Also, Sludge Wave > Sludge Bomb, so Dragalge can hit the occasional Bulletproof Chesnaught without having to resort to Draco Meteor. The main coverage moves Dragalge uses are Focus Blast and Scald to hit Heatran harder:
-Sludge Wave
-Draco Meteor
-Focus Blast/Hidden Power (Fire)
-Toxic Spikes/Scald
Nature: Modest
EVs: 228 HP/252 SAtk/28 Spe
Item: Black Sludge/Draco Plate/Dragon Fang/Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability

or
-Toxic Spikes
-Sludge Wave
-Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
-Scald
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/232 SDef/28 Spe
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Adaptability

Hone Claws is a waste of a moveslot on bulky Garchomp. It doesn't have the Attack investment to make the most out of the boost; that, and Hone Claws provides a smaller Attack boost than Swords Dance, and Dragon Tail is already decently accurate:
-Stealth Rock
-Dragon Tail
-Earthquake/Fire Blast
-Toxic/Fire Blast
Nature: Impish
EVs: 240 HP/176 Def/92 Spe
Item: Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin

There's literally no reason to use Flygon at all, as Garchomp can do everything it does better. Tyrantrum or Goodra are better substitutes, the former for having recoil-free Head Smashes thanks to Rock Head, and the latter for having monstrous special bulk. Though they're not OU Pokemon, both have better merits over Flygon:

Tyrantrum:
-Dragon Dance
-Head Smash
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-Earthquake/Fire Fang
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
Ability: Rock Head

or
-Head Smash
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Superpower/Fire Fang
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf/Choice Band
Ability: Rock Head

Goodra:
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Sludge Wave/Thunderbolt
-Earthquake/Muddy Water
Nature: Modest
EVs: 240 HP/252 SAtk/16 Spe
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper

OGtrainerazmo October 3rd, 2015 12:47 PM

I appriciate the attempt but you didn't read the part where I can only have 2 Pokemon with bst over 600 thus I cannot run garchomp hydregon and goodra on the same team

PlatinumDude October 3rd, 2015 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OGtrainerazmo (Post 8952716)
I appriciate the attempt but you didn't read the part where I can only have 2 Pokemon with bst over 600 thus I cannot run garchomp hydregon and goodra on the same team

Technically, all three are allowed by your guidelines as they're at exactly 600 BST. If you don't want Goodra, use Tyrantrum instead.

OGtrainerazmo October 4th, 2015 6:59 AM

No they are not its 600 or more being 600 makes them hit the mark

PlatinumDude October 4th, 2015 8:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OGtrainerazmo (Post 8953642)
No they are not its 600 or more being 600 makes them hit the mark

I'm afraid you didn't make that clear in your first post. Remember that when Charizard is Mega Evolved, its BST will exceed 600 too. I'd suggest making the Mega Pokemon Altaria instead, as its BST is under 600, even when Mega Evolved:
-Dragon Dance
-Return
-Earthquake
-Roost/Fire Blast
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Altarianite

or
-Dragon Dance
-Return
-Earthquake/Heal Bell/Substitute
-Roost
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/136 Def/96 SDef/28 Spe
Item: Altarianite

or
-Return/Hyper Voice
-Earthquake/Flamethrower/Roar/Perish Song
-Heal Bell
-Roost
Nature: Impish/Bold/Relaxed
EVs: 248 HP/104 Def/156 SDef
Item: Altariantie

or
-Hyper Voice
-Fire Blast
-Heal Bell/Earthquake
-Roost
Nature: Modest
EVs: 248 HP/168 SAtk/92 Spe
Item: Altarianite

As much as I don't like using this Pokemon in standard play, Noivern is another option to avoid breaching your conditions:
-Hurricane
-Draco Meteor
-Flamethrower/Focus Blast
-U-turn/Roost/Switcheroo
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life OrbChoice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator

Make the team Garchomp/Dragalge/Tyrantrum/Altaria/Latios/Noivern.


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