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Revolution
Me and my friend was hanging out yesterday and he struck up a discussion about corrupt politics, media, government, etc and asked me what America can do to stop it and I said revolution. We all know things have been bad for a long time but everything seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes by. With all the problems America has do you guys feel we need a revolution or do you think we're headed in the right direction? What do you guys believe would happen if we were to revolutionize and what do you believe would happen if we continue to allow a greedy government to do what they're doing now? I'm interested in peoples opinions on this.
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The vast majority of the American populace doesn't have either the resources or the motivation to even attempt to revolt against the government which would be a rather extreme reaction anyway.
If people really want to make a change - and one is definitely needed from what I understand - the only thing that can be done is for those who are concerned to educate themselves and to either join politics themselves or vote for people who are going to make the right decisions. |
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It may be a rather extreme reaction but I feel it's something that must be done. The government's going to continue what they're doing and get even more tyrannical as the time frame goes on, it's just a matter of time before they do something that's going to devastate us and the people that were manipulated by the media, politics, etc will feel so stupid for not seeing it coming.
Voting doesn't work, it's gotten to the point where a vast majority of voters vote for a particular party rather than staying in the middle and voting for what's right. I mean go on forums and look at the presidential election debates and you'll see that they vote Republican/Democrat regardless of the candidate. I feel everyone should be in the middle because both sides are nut cases, you have to find your balance in politics which is what I believe you're saying. With that being said, what other solution could America come up with? We're running out of options. What the government is doing is illegal, our founding fathers even predicted this would happen if we allowed a group/government to be in power too long. The Amendments also states that it's our right to revolt against our government at anytime if we feel needed meaning if it's written in code the government doesn't have the power to imprison us but they will because well, they abuse power. "The purpose of government is to secure the God-given, inalienable rights of men." Our founding fathers also states that when government becomes abusive, and “destructive of these ends,” it is mankind’s right and duty to alter, abolish, or overthrow it. Also, speaking out against them wouldn't work because it's never worked. The only way it would work if if the whole population besides the government protested and took a stand. So is that what you feel America should do twocows? Also, if a revolution were to happen do you honestly believe our whole military would follow orders? They'd split giving the citizens more protection, we'd have access to military grade equipment. It definitely wouldn't be a pretty sight that's for sure. |
Eh, we're probably screwed either way. There's no guarantee that the new government would be any better than what we got now or will always be better.
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The Bill of Rights is meant to prevent the infringement of individual rights, but I do not believe it grants the "right to rebel". Sedition and treason are both crimes in the United States, with treason being defined in section three of article three of the Constitution:
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I dont think enough people realize the freedoms being taken away from us. We can longer say we are the best example of freedom. We are #20 on the Freedom Index and I am pretty sure (not 100%) that numbers 21-27 have higher personal freedoms. I need to double check the list, but anyways, we are slowly falling down.
People need to realize that both political parties take away freedoms and restrict them. As for revolution, I doubt it will be possible. Maybe in like 50 years when America is socialist there will be one. |
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I'm also glad you brought this up too because recently this year they've banned or been trying to ban many things, yet they call America the 'Land of the Free'. They're slowly stripping our rights, eventually we won't be able to do anything or as you said, we'll be a socialist country. Our governments on intention is to control the masses, not to protect us. I don't know what America's waiting for. |
What do you guys mean when you talk about becoming a socialist country like it's a bad thing? I mean, Finland, Denmark, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Iceland, and the Netherlands are all more "socialist" than the United States, and are all rated higher on the Freedom Index.
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Ignoring stuff like "less guns equals less freedom" because I'm pretty sure everyone here knows my views on that at this point, I'm just going to add that there seems to be a misunderstanding of socialism here.
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I agree with Gimmiepie here, in terms of the difference between a socialist democracy and our own government. I believe that the political race going on right now for president proves that point, that politics is now decided not by who is right or more competent, but who has more money. Donald Trump is not a politician but a businessman, and not a very honest one at that. And yet because Trump has so much money to throw around, other candidates that no one has ever heard of get ignored because those with the money can just drown them out.
I'm not saying that a socialist society would fix this issue, but it may fix a few of those issues. Other than that, here is my take on any revolution. It would fail. We are far past the point in which any sort of revolution would be effective. Back in the times of the founding fathers, I believe the logic behind the second amendment to bear arms was to defend the people's rights to not only protect themselves from others but also the government. Now there is nothing we can actually do against our government, not realistically. With the levels of technology we have nowadays, any revolution would be shut down quickly. They work in less developed countries, but in America there is the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the massive amount of technology at their disposal. We can own guns, sure. Wont help against an army of security cameras, UAVs, man power, and military strength. If there is to be a revolution, it needs to be political, not military. But nobody can make a difference in government due to our capitalist society. |
Things would have to get REALLY bad for there to be a revolution. But with the increasing gap between the rich and poor as well as the shrinking middle class, maybe that kind of environment can happen in the future.
But it probably won't happen. |
In an age of smartphones, people are becoming more dependent on others. If they have a question, instead of trying to figure out themselves, they have someone else do it for them. People even have other people make their decisions for them. Now that is sad. With this kind of attitude, people are becoming less independent and less intelligent and are unable to think for themselves. That is why it is unlikely for there to be a revolution.
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I have been called a conspiracy theorist by some people, or they think that I would be one. But they are just sheep. I can't tell you how many times I have heard stuff so blind its hilarious like freedom jokes and stuff. And actually, I think the problem is the ones that are actually supporting the constriction of freedoms, but dont realize they are! Or the ones who want to fix the government with more government... |
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As for weed, if it was legalised all over the place the government could make a lot of money through taxing it. So keeping weed illegal has nothing to do with them not being able to profit off of it. Hell, it would also slightly reduce the number of people in prison on possession charges probably and that would inevitably save money too. I can't see any logic at all on the rain water thing though. |
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I have also thought about this topic before, looking at the increasing inequalities and dwindling freedoms (given up by the majority of people without a fight just for a promise of safety). However, I would not advocate for a revolution even if things got very bad. History shows that most revolutions that lean towards violence tend to fail, look at the Arab Spring in Egypt and other countries, or the French revolution, or even the Russian Revolution (the communist one, or even the most recent one). In the end people as corrupt as the ones that were overthrown take power and the only result was dead people. The American revolution was the only exception and that almost failed as there were mini rebellions in our early history that had to be put down during the time of our founding fathers. Of course the founding fathers also came up with political solutions to deal with the rebellions, not just violence. I think that America needs political solutions but sadly our politicians don't seem to be willing to do so (the majority seem bought off, and those that aren't can't do anything by themselves). It isn't just the government though, large corporations have also screwed us over, both of them have formed an alliance to do us in it seems... I think that what we should do is break up the large corporations and banks (which managed to get bigger with the help of their bought politicians), shut down the NSA, justice reform that doesn't penalize small crimes, get rid of the rest of the post 9/11 policies which have infringed on our rights, and get government to go back into the sidelines for awhile (only getting involved when it comes to defending the rights of every American be it from certain groups like corporations or other countries). |
A revolution isn't something I'd even consider a possibility. Not many people are independent enough to make their own decision to rebel, and even then they might just be plain against it if they are. Most people would rather stick to the comfort of safety and let others do things. A revolution would get shut down by the government so quickly that it'd be ridiculous. Imagine what the American Revolution would have been like if Great Britain had better weaponry than the colonists. Now imagine that instead of following formal rules of war, like lining up and drumming for gods' sakes, they instead fought the same way the colonists did. The government would also have extremely intense training under their belt, as well as technology to figure out where the revolution was taking place and how many and all of these details. It'd be a slaughter.
I know a lot of people are sick of the government and it's understandable. I despise this faulty "War on Drugs" that keeps Marijuana illegal when it doesn't hurt people half as much as alcohol. i do think that getting rid of guns somewhat is a thing that should happen, unless you want to hear about school shootings every other week to preserve our idea of "in case we need to rebel", which we'd be outclassed in anyways for the reasons above. Something needs to happen, but the capitalist politics system won't allow it. Maybe one day when the average person wises up to vote according important stances rather than party, until then I don't know. |
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However, its the only way to get rid of an overly-centralized government unfortunately. At least it gives hope... |
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I think Americans are brainwashed into equating socialism with fascism because there are private interests who don't want to pay for social programs because they're too rich for the programs to benefit themselves and don't want you to vote for people who would tax them more harshly. Some people want you to believe that socialism is evil just because it doesn't help them even though it would help a much greater number of people.
Revolt against this propaganda, I'd say. |
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Ok I was slightly wrong. It was Hungary in 1703, not Turkey. And the exchange was privileges for Habsburg rule. |
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