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It can't end this way... >_>;
Ok, now as to begin with, many of you might know that I do not like to complain, and I do not like to bug the staff for whatever change there is on PC. However, when I do complain is when I believe there IS something wrong. Understanding this, please be sure to take your time to consider what I am about to say...
As we have all seen, Lion Heart was a member who had strong opinions. He apparently disagreed with higher staff at times, until some days ago "someone" decided to ban him. His ban did not last very long, as many people disagreed with what the reasons for banning him were, and myself, I think that the reasons were mainly exagerated and untrue. Seeing there were no concrete proofs of him flaming, and instead, there were many people supporting him, an ADMINISTRATOR decided to un-ban him. However, after he got unbanned "the same someone", who clearly dislikes him, got him banned again. This all happened without LH knowing anything. He did NOT receive any further notice by staff, he did not flame, and he did not spam. He was acting just like a normal member, he was getting on with his friends and leading a peaceful 'life' at PC. Now I just want to know - does this sound fair? Doesn't it sound like "someone" is abusing his power? I'll leave you to think about it... Sayounara.... or not until you check below here... >_>;; HERE IS THE NOTES SECTION!: I have been discussing on MSN with Lion Heart, he's pretty much annoyed by this, but what makes him even more annoyed is the person who banned him, the praetor Dakota, that is talking to him on MSN... Now, I know MSN has nothing to do with PC, however, those quotes might just give you an idea on what the situation is: -edited- Sorry, as you said, MSN conversations have nothing to do with PC Enjoy the last bits, and before denying, I can prove those quotes with screenshots Lion Heart gave me.... >_>; |
Most, if not all of the higher staff agreed that LH remain banned, not just Dakota ;)
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His posts in the T-Dome alone were enough to warrant a ban. Whilst Dakota's dislike didn't exactly help the situation, his banning was mutually agreed upon by the staff. Although Dakota pressed the button, it was a democratic decision to ban and reban him.
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Hmmmmmmmm...yet another one of these threads? OK, since I have zero power in this part of PC, I might as well state what I want before it gets closed. XD
I did not really know or like Lion Heart. From the posts he made that I had seen, I saw that he was flamey and went off topic nearly all the time. <.<;; As for what he may have done to some of the staff, that I don't know about. I was one of the staff members who wasn't within Lion Heart's range I suppose. XD If it truly was our dearest Dakota who did this...from what your little MSN convos say, it sounds like Dakota banned LH out of hatred. XD But I know D better than that. I'm sure he had his reasons, but why shed those reasons upon a flamey unworthy member? Now...I'm afraid I must stop at this point, for I see a few members are sharpening their pitchforks. XD ~Kelsey |
...Wasn't that the purpose of his first ban? You can't just ban a guy, then unban him and ban him again if he hasn't actually done anything wrong since he was unbanned. That isn't right.
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Doesn't sound fair to me still.... He was a really good member and his case was supported by many. No proof was given of his flaming, and Kwesi himself said he would have re-organised banning policies or something...
Besides, he was rebanned after doing no flaming/spamming AT ALL, with no further notice too. And as MCD said about his posts on the T-Dome, that gave him a restriction of access to the T-Dome, and that's how the problem ended. |
His unban was unauthorized...So of course he's going to be rebanned. He was warned countless times and he didn't listen, he evaded his ban by rejoining, that alone is enough to merit another ban. Almost all of the higher staff agreed to his banning, he was given countless chances to shape up and he wasted them.
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I don't want to take sides. I wasn't here when this problem arose, but from what I've heard and seen, LH was a really flamey member that went for too long without being put in check (sound familiar?) The end result was a burst of "WTF?!? Why was LH banned?" when he finally was banned (also sound familiar?).
This is just my perspective, but there are many parallels between the cases of JKaizer, a1337a, and Lion Heart... |
if he got banned, he wasn't a good member. period.
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It was none of his fault if the ban was or was not authorised. Staff is expected to work together.
All he knows is that he found himself randomly banned with no further notice or anything. Not to mention him being abused by a staff member over MSN... -.- EDIT: Ok, now this is really starting to interest me: You said his banning was discussed and agreed between staff, yet, why do some staff members barely know about his case? They all seem to mention "from what they see" or "what they think". No one has yet given me any link of his spam/flame. >_>; |
It was Casey who gave the OK to reban, admitting that it had been a mistake to unban him in the first place. He was rebanned for past offences, not for ones he didn't commit inbetween bans.
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Please read my edit too, because it might be relevant to the topic.... |
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I have tought about this, Dakota.
I have always liked you, but I HATE abuses. LH gave me screenshots of what you said, so it is highly unlikely he's lying... |
The only staff that are confused, as you say Ningi, are moderators. Mods don't have a say in his banning, only SMods and up do, and if you go back and read through what the Smods and up have said in this thread, they agreed that he should be banned.
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Did he show all the stuff that HE said to ME?...heh, I doubt it... |
Those are some harsh accusations toawrds Datoka. Although I had nothing to do with that user, never even talked from what I've check his posts he did seem like a lil spammer. but i wont comment anymore.
Ningi, you're a great guy, but you're caught between two people. Now which one is right? Um... though? |
He told me he never flamed you... just asked you about it and he said you only said he bothers you, not that he flamed you or anything...
Piro, if you read Tmbjr's post, he didn't sound as if he had facts... besides, an ADMINISTRATOR decided to unban him... that should just give a hint on internal disagreements... |
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Actually, 6 ADMINISTRATORS said we should re ban him O_o...that should tell you something... And like I said before, every single higher staff said that he should be banned |
As far as I know, praetors do not have as much power and relevance as Steve does... correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyways, I still haven't seen any proof of him flaming, I cannot agree on accusations with no proof at all... =/ EDIT: Ah, now if this is the case, I haven't got much power to say anything more... It just sounds weird seeing him unbanned and then banned again without giving any reason... Still, I hate abuses, and seeing what happened, I see staff members acted strange on his regards... I'd advise you to examine what kind of person LH really is. |
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/Arcanine_88/LHpost2.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/Arcanine_88/LHpost.png It's post like these he was banned, and it's post like these that he'll stay banned. |
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