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killer-curry April 16th, 2016 4:12 AM

So, I went to Internet and searching "coming soon" WW2 games, Battalion 1944 and Days of War seems interesting to me. Certainly looks like a great war game with good optimization of graphics. But the biggest problem I face in these online games is servers.

Well, not many players around the region I live has server for this game, which local server might be rare and I have to play high ping server like in US. Kinda sucks when this happens.

In the mean time in CS: GO, I got 8 kill streak in causal match, seems like a small achievement for me ;)

JJ Styles April 16th, 2016 4:54 AM

Ahhh the Ninties and the era of Doom and its clones. Oh how i loved ya. We didn't need any of these War Simulations. All we needed was Guns. Big Guns. EVEN BIGGER GUNS. and of course some demons, zombies, T-Rex tentacle terrors, colleting Red-Blue-then Yellow key cards, navigating through beautiful level designs, and a whole load of foul language to enjoy a first person shooter. Doom, Quake, Duke... We salute you. Oh and Halo, because you are part of my developmental years.

Ya know, sometimes i feel like i wanna join the army. Its basically like FPS except with better graphics! But what happens if I lag out there, I'M DEAD! And there's no respawn IRL. -FPS Doug 2005. Still relevant. Still standin.

Its funny how Call of Dudes went from being World War II, to Modern Warfare, and then straight into Fantasy Futuristic Land (As of Advanced Warfare and Black Ops 3) because Activision and the CoD Devs knew that Call of Dudes was never a "HYPER REALISTIC" game because coding a game to work like that can be easily done, but the gameplay would be AIDS (Imagine an FPS game where EVERYTHING WRONG about using firearms is there like gun jammings, overheating, failed chamber releases... HYPER REALISM). They did everything that they can to make them playable. I personally love the Modern Warfare theme because its a theme that's actually quite close to IRL, and I would have loved to see some stories involving the good ol MURICA fighting against Chinese Commie bastards trying to take our muthapudding seas and territory (If anyone's like a mainland Chinese living in the China Mainland, well be prepared to be offended as heck if you can't take satirical posts). LIKE MURICA VS COMMIES, AND WITH RELEVANCE TO POTENTIAL GLOBAL POLITICAL WAR DRAMA CRISIS (I can smell the whole USA vs China war brewing from my Southeast Asian territory). MURICA!!!!!!! DEMOCRACY!!! SUPER FREEDOM!!! UNCLE SAM!!! KILL THESE COMMIES AND LET THEM TASTE THE RED WHITE AND BLUE STRAIGHT OUT OF MY DEMOCRATIC COCKTAIL!! WHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! but then again, Activision's business model of releasing a new Dudes game every 2 years with the same copy-pasted code just passed around like underwear (ewww Xin come on!). Also, lets add this. With around so much Call of Dudes games, they never even bothered to add actual MEATY anatomy to the characters in Multiplayer (because its so realstic to kill someone with 3 bullets to the kneecap), BUT IN NAZI ZOMBIES, the ZOMBIES have actually well crafted video game anatomy with body multipliers and actual limb factors. ACTIVISION, TREYARCH, AND WHOEVER THE FF is behind the other CoD line PLS!

Now I'm waiting for Painkiller Hell & Damnation to install.

killer-curry April 16th, 2016 8:03 AM

I would think that, Call Of Duty was a good game, quite immersive, great WW2 weapons. Then COd 4 even better than previous games, better graphics, mordern weapons, good multiplayer that you can just spam your LMGs.

But when it goes to further games till Mordern Warfare 3, I starting to get bored, the price for the games are really, expensive. Sometimes I do wonder, should I get it? I read the reviews, watch the gameplays, but it does not makes me attracted to it, indeed the games are far less attractive now.

machomuu April 16th, 2016 9:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Meloetta (Post 9204713)
Mostly, the licking. It was...disturbing. VERY disturbing.

As a side note, I'd consider visual novels as games, but only if they have some form of interaction, be it branching pathways or whatever else. Otherwise it's just like reading a comic online. Since most VNs have something like that, though...yeah. Games. Far more so than walking simulators.

Honestly, the discussion as a whole bothers me. Walking Simulator or VNs are both (usually) interactive media. But they aren't games. I would not call either of them a genre or subset of games. I will gladly say that Danganronpa or Zero Escape are games that are also VNs, because there's game there. But I think, like...comparing my favorite Walking Sim, The Stanley Parable, to my favorite non-game VN, Steins;Gate, there's a clear disconnect between interaction and gameplay, and I kind of think that that's something we're quick to call something that has choices in a narrative that moves to our pace "games" because...well, there really is nothing else like it. Calling VNs and Walking Sims "games" just makes sense in that regard.

And I did originally agree with you when I was making this post in regards to interaction, but I really think that depends on what that interaction is. Because if we took something like Long Live the Queen, which is a Princess Maker VN, and took out the studying and how to spend your day, I think that would still be considered a game because it has a win-state, a lose-state, and your choices have agency over such. Looking at 999, though, I think that can be described as a VN game or just a VN, all depending whether you're playing the DS title with puzzles, or the mobile port without them, respectively.

Which is kind of why I've started looking at it as the term "video game" being limiting and antiquated or, conversely, there not being a term that covers visual media like VNs and Walking Simulators specifically (as "interactive media" is a bit too general and can cover many things, video games included).

Frequency April 16th, 2016 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by killer150 (Post 9205785)
I would think that, Call Of Duty was a good game, quite immersive, great WW2 weapons. Then COd 4 even better than previous games, better graphics, mordern weapons, good multiplayer that you can just spam your LMGs.

But when it goes to further games till Mordern Warfare 3, I starting to get bored, the price for the games are really, expensive. Sometimes I do wonder, should I get it? I read the reviews, watch the gameplays, but it does not makes me attracted to it, indeed the games are far less attractive now.

CoD fell flat after Black Ops. After that, I was like "Ehhhhh". MW3 was garbage, BO2 was alright but eh, Advanced Warfare was decent but nothing really appealed to me. BO3 seems fine but I'd have to play it to gauge. I can't run it on my PC though. :(

pkmin3033 April 16th, 2016 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by machomuu (Post 9205853)
Honestly, the discussion as a whole bothers me. Walking Simulator or VNs are both (usually) interactive media. But they aren't games. I would not call either of them a genre or subset of games. I will gladly say that Danganronpa or Zero Escape are games that are also VNs, because there's game there. But I think, like...comparing my favorite Walking Sim, The Stanley Parable, to my favorite non-game VN, Steins;Gate, there's a clear disconnect between interaction and gameplay, and I kind of think that that's something we're quick to call something that has choices in a narrative that moves to our pace "games" because...well, there really is nothing else like it. Calling VNs and Walking Sims "games" just makes sense in that regard.

And I did originally agree with you when I was making this post in regards to interaction, but I really think that depends on what that interaction is. Because if we took something like Long Live the Queen, which is a Princess Maker VN, and took out the studying and how to spend your day, I think that would still be considered a game because it has a win-state, a lose-state, and your choices have agency over such. Looking at 999, though, I think that can be described as a VN game or just a VN, all depending whether you're playing the DS title with puzzles, or the mobile port without them, respectively.

Which is kind of why I've started looking at it as the term "video game" being limiting and antiquated or, conversely, there not being a term that covers visual media like VNs and Walking Simulators specifically (as "interactive media" is a bit too general and can cover many things, video games included).

I think it might be a question of intent as much as anything else as to whether you could define these less interactive titles as video games. The difference between Danganronpa and Steins;Gate is pretty noticeable, especially considering they're both VNs. Visual novels that prioritise just telling their story over getting the player involved in that story might not really be classified as games in that regard, as player involvement is minimal.

If you have multiple choices but ultimately end up in the same place, or in a similar place - like in Steins;Gate, where all you really get from your choices is different endings - then yeah, I guess you couldn't really call that a game...you might have affected the narrative, but it was in such a negligible fashion it doesn't matter much. Sure, the ending can be radically different, but the narrative differences weren't huge getting there. If it's in something like Danganronpa - where if you make the wrong choice you lose - or even something like a dating sim - where your choices dictate whose story you follow and, beyond that, how well that story goes - I'd say there is a case to consider them as games, as you're involved in the flow of the story.

That's why I generally frown on walking simulators as a genre and FFXIII when considering whether I'd classify them as games - they're a showcase of something or other, not really something intended to be played. Something to be experencied, sure, but in a fashion dictated to you by the developer and in a very limited or restricted fashion. There isn't much room for interpretation. There isn't anything to explore, or anything hidden to uncover. No choice, no real personal investment...no game.

I don't have a huge amount of experience with VNs, and quite a bit less with walking simulators, but in my experience it's quite easy to tell with the former which ones are intended to be played and which are intended to be viewed. Asides from Steins;Gate I've not really played any VNs that haven't given me a significant amount of control over who the star of the story is, how the story flows, or given me something asides the story to occupy me.

Blargh. We've been using the same definitions for too long. We need some new ones.

Frequency April 16th, 2016 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Meloetta (Post 9205938)
Blargh. We've been using the same definitions for too long. We need some new ones.

Interactive book dawg, I'm telling you...

Satoshi Ookami April 16th, 2016 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakumen (Post 9206057)
Interactive book dawg, I'm telling you...

Books aren't voiced and do not have moe sprites :P

EC April 16th, 2016 1:08 PM

Speaking of COD, I have been saying "this is the last one" since MW2. And yet I have bought every one since.

Frequency April 16th, 2016 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Satoshi Ookami (Post 9206072)
Books aren't voiced and do not have moe sprites :P

Damn, you right. I can't even hate on that either.

We're gonna have to come up with something...

JJ Styles April 17th, 2016 6:49 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilChameleon (Post 9206097)
Speaking of COD, I have been saying "this is the last one" since MW2. And yet I have bought every one since.

At least you're a real effin champion who VG should totally worship along with your murder cocktail ;)

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Pretty interesting how i mention a little bit about VNs though the only VN that i truly played was obviously Tsukihime because of all the NSFW and Eroge elements (ya'll know that I was about to say that) along with the intrigue. And of course Arc Wade. Arcueid. And of course typical VG debates while i watch since i have absolutely nothing to say other than being a cocktail tease ;)))))))))

Perhaps i mentioned VNs out of random because this was like a final project done by some of my Computer Studies/Science friends in their final years in college years ago. That was their thesis project. Luckily they passed with flying colors, but i never got a copy or even prototype of their work.

machomuu April 18th, 2016 8:50 AM

I should mention something about VNs- but before that,
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largh. We've been using the same definitions for too long. We need some new ones.
Yes. Absolutely. 100%. I mean, what really is the point of a definition (or a name, for that matter) if it's arbitrary and doesn't actually help to describe anything? And it only gets worse with time.

I mean, we're at a point in time where someone could make a clear, solid argument about how Call of Duty should be considered an RPG and then go a similar way and say that Danganronpa is the greatest shooter franchise ever made.

-But as to what I was gonna say, which isn't particularly important, VNs aren't particularly characterized by choice. In fact, I daresay that the number of VNs that are literally just narratives that you read without making any choices (or where the choices are arbitrary) vastly outnumbers the ones where that is the case. That said, a lot of these don't make it out of Japan. But it's a lot of why I see VNs as their own form of Visual Media that can sometimes crossover into games if they have gameplay, but aren't inherently so. And I think that also makes a pretty clear case for Walking Sims as well. I mean, if a VN with no choice isn't a game, why should something like, say, Firewatch be? I mean, you do make decisions that change things, and you can choose where you want to go (though the story only progresses at certain points, but is that form of interaction really appropriately defined as "gameplay"?

I mean, I really don't think that something being considered or not being considered a game devalues it in any way and I think, going a different way, it could actually be better because it won't be considered based on those expectations. But I'm 100% in favor of Visual Novel being considered a medium rather than a genre or a sub-genre. Walking Sims, too, to some extent, because honestly, and I know this contradicts what I said a few years ago, but I don't think it's choice that dictates what makes a game a game. No, I think I would call a personality quiz a game or a choose-your-own-adventure book a game. They might be fun, but I feel like that's far too general and really doesn't do video games any justice. And at the same time, after some thought, I don't think that choosing to see a different ending or consequence is inherently gameplay, either. I think that's interaction, and it's a means of engagement, which, put simply, is why I'm totally in favor of Visual Novels (a medium that is vast enough to be its own thing), Video Games, and potentially Walking Sims (not really sure if it could be its own medium, but) being their own media and stemming from this idea of "Interactive Media".

Dammit, this isn't the reason I was posting here. That was supposed to be, like, 5 lines. Eh, whatever. I do think this is an important discussion because it's pretty rare that we take a look at what games really are and whether what we see as one or what qualifies as "gameplay" or like actually is. It's fun stuff, and it'll only become more relevant going forward.

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Now to what I actually wanted to post (geez Mel, gettin' me all wordy and off-track)

Spoiler:


Thoroughly impressed with how well this is streaming. We'd previously thought that it would take hardware hacks exclusively to get streaming to run at a decent speed, but here it is, streaming wirelessly with NTR. Not bad- especially surprised at how well Hyrule Warriors runs.

Satoshi Ookami April 18th, 2016 9:46 AM

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Originally Posted by machomuu (Post 9208268)
Danganronpa is the greatest shooter franchise ever made.

It isn't? Apart from old Unreal Tournament, it's the only shooter I even want to play voluntary.

pkmin3033 April 18th, 2016 11:09 AM

You saying that, I did actually have more fun with Ultra Despair Girls than I have with almost any other third-person shooter...it was a bit clunky, and I DO love Mass Effect, but still, it was a great experience and I'd love to see more gameplay variety in future Danganronpa titles if that is any indication of the quality I could expect.

I also want a Neptunia game in this style focusing on Uni and Nepgear. GIVE ME MY CPU CANDIDATES GAME ALREADY DAMNIT

Also, Adventure Part 2 is up. Go post in it. I have another event planned for the near-ish future, too...maybe tomorrow or Wednesday. I'm actually planning ahead with this one since I'd need to update it daily instead of weekly, and I want to keep it going for a while...

Sir Codin April 18th, 2016 12:57 PM

Ah, Mass Effect....I can't believe I used to think that RPG was deep.

pkmin3033 April 18th, 2016 1:04 PM

I wouldn't call it particularly deep...just a hell of a lot of fun at points, haha. One thing I've always loved about Bioware titles is the party dialogue, too. Being a sarcastic jerk made it all worthwhile <3

People can say what they like about the third game too, but there is no denying that the Citadel DLC was the perfect sendoff. The whole thing was beyond ridiculous. xD

Sir Codin April 18th, 2016 1:12 PM

I'll take Baldur's Gate over Mass Effect any day.

To this day Bioware has yet to top Baldur's Gate 2, despite it being the game that introduced *shudder* romances into the RPG genre.

EC April 18th, 2016 2:51 PM

Another HD collection leaked, this time two of the three Batman Arkham games. Going to be announced tomorrow. Allegedly.

Sir Codin April 18th, 2016 2:57 PM

Hey, guys, guess what? Dark Souls III actually has an easy mode.


Yukari April 18th, 2016 3:23 PM

I don't see what the issue with Dark Souls having an easy mode is. o>

JJ Styles April 18th, 2016 5:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukari (Post 9208684)
I don't see what the issue with Dark Souls having an easy mode is. o>

Its the same crud that made some people cringe when FE Awakening had a casual mode. Purist idealogy my dear young grunt.
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So me and my friend were talking about how would we create- a - class and its sub-classes to help them out in their Video Game Design homework so... i offered them this idea.

The hypothetical class that everyone will play as: Technogirl - Female gamers who were endlessly persecuted and trolled in the internet by people for various reasons. Also stalked and harassed by lonely boys and grown up Minecraft lets' players. Now they take their revenge towards their haters by becoming cold, ruthless, and remorseless killers and cyber terrorists with the skills and killer instinct born out of their 1000++ Hours of playing video games and browsing the deep web.
http://i.imgur.com/HRTamui.png

Skill trees - Small description - Signature Nodes
Power Fantasy - Technogirls specializing this tree allows them to live out their ruthless killings like the heroes and anti-heroes of video games, movies, and fiction. Specializes mostly on Melee combat, Damage resistance, SMGs, Assault Rifles, and Energy Weapons (Plasma guns) => "I WANNA BE THE GAL!", "Hero of the Storm"

Pure Pwnage - Technogirls specializing this tree allows them to become like their ESPORT idols like Faker, BoxeR, Daigo, HeatoN, and FPS DOUG. Specializes on almost all kinds of trickshots, headshots, quick scopes, no scopes, sikk micro, and montage worthy killing sprees with various firearms with an emphasis on scoped weaponry and killing noobs => "BOOM HEADSHOT!", "SURPRISE MOTHER F****ER!"

#Let's Play => Technogirls who prefer to fight not with metal as feck weaponry or those lacking in the skillz. The #Let's play specializes in supporting the team with charisma and commentary, as well as weakening the enemy with vicious rants, roasts, and epic rap battles. => "How's it goin bros!", "Like, Comment, Subscribe!"
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OH BABY A TRIPLE!
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd307/SoruBaddogai/de_dust20002-2.jpg

Ahhh Valve's old late 90's to Early 2000's GoldSRC engine. Simpler times. Also, Local Area Supermurder was a thing back in the day... none of this sitting at your home all day crud.

Sir Codin April 18th, 2016 5:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukari (Post 9208684)
I don't see what the issue with Dark Souls having an easy mode is. o>

GET OUT.

GET.....OUT.

killer-curry April 18th, 2016 7:32 PM

Lol Xin, That Deagle guy left after a desert eagle kill what a shame. I still expereicing resolution proglem for widescreen so I went off using old 4:3 monitor, I gonna dominating the match!!!!!!!!. I want Dota kill streak into the CS match, that sounds awesome.

pkmin3033 April 18th, 2016 9:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CarcharOdin (Post 9208814)
GET OUT.

GET.....OUT.

You're not actually serious, are you? Just checking before I launch into a tirade about it which would probably offend you if you were. It never hurts to be careful with these things~

Also, machomuu, Satoshi, you guys in particular might find this article interesting. I found it pretty awesome, and I wish all localisation teams would be this transparent and thorough when explaining the process. It might save certain individuals who have nothing to do with said process from losing their jobs...

JJ Styles April 19th, 2016 3:52 AM

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Originally Posted by killer150 (Post 9208902)
Lol Xin, That Deagle guy left after a desert eagle kill what a shame. I still expereicing resolution proglem for widescreen so I went off using old 4:3 monitor, I gonna dominating the match!!!!!!!!. I want Dota kill streak into the CS match, that sounds awesome.

The Dota kill streak announcer voice overs are actually just voice overs from Unreal Tournament 2004 but somehow, Icefrog and Valve were able to keep those sounds for Dota2. Its nuts.

Speaking of kill streak voice overs, I'd ship in a Snoop Dog voice over in every game. League, CSGO, Call of Duty 4, Doom 4, Brutal Doom, DMC, Hyper Dimension Neptunia: Unbelievable Warfare, Touhou of Legends, and Garden Warfare: Black Ops 3.

Snoop Dogg
Snoop Dogg announcing my supermurderous bloodbaths would be ever so orgasimic. Nothing like Snoop Doggie announcing to the world about how i ripped several penises off with my murder gun/spear

Actually.. screw Snoop Dogg. We need the Brutal Doomguy's voice in EVERY GAME


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