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Salzorrah December 20th, 2015 8:06 PM

thats just me being stupid, dont hold a ****in grudge jonbymustbang

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 8:07 PM

I don't trust Bact at all, and the constant attempts to make Weiss and Syn look evil is not helping. He uses 'anti-town' as a justification because they made generalizations of people in the game not playing well. I'd also like to point out that Syn has viewed the thread and not said a single word, which I find quite odd considering he is a very vocal player that would respond to bact's snide and fairly unlogical comment.

Also, since we're talking about recruits, what pokemon move would recruit someone?

Also I can definitely confirm attacking Bact dealt 4 damage to me, and he could still be a Sharpedo, since we don't entirely know that he's a ferrothorn just because of rough skin/iron barbs.

Wicked3DS December 20th, 2015 8:07 PM

I can't poison anyone. If I get killed as an innocent again...smh.

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 8:12 PM

We've all been killed at least once being innocent.
And no one's going to just "take your word" for it.

If you keep acting like this, I think you should figure out if mafia is the game for you.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 8:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9043200)
Can someone make a list of the claims? PLEASE

why don't you do it? ;)

txteclipse December 20th, 2015 8:16 PM

Looks like someone might have used a one-time heal on desinishon? The heal is pink though instead of green so that's kind of weird.

EDIT: I'll crunch numbers tomorrow and see how much damage he took previously. Pretty sure it was at least 66 though.

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 8:17 PM

Someone evolved and got a stat boost.
I think.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 8:18 PM

I'd like to point out that Syn liked my post, so he IS WATCHING THE THREAD AND READING but hasn't posted?

Maybe someone silenced him? I think that a sleep-inducing move could function as something like that

Silencing someone who's been called anti-town and scum makes for a very easy lynch....

Klippy December 20th, 2015 8:22 PM

People with FOS's on them: faer, Cheshire Cat, Wiicked, Ice Goddess, Syndrome, Ullion

Just a start.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9043219)
Come on Doofy, i thought you knew me. I don't have internet, i tether my phone in my computer. It would take me an hour to look back all of those pages while it would take 5 or 10 minutes to anyone with a decent internet connection.

I had no clue

Candy December 20th, 2015 8:31 PM

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Originally Posted by faer (Post 9043033)
So I think it likely that the pokémon with the poison ability is one of Milotic, Cheshire Cat and txteclipse, who replaced an inactive at the start of Day 3.

I sincerely love the fact that you missed the damn obvious hint on my Pokemon species that I gave out on either Day 3 or 4.

Really tho, I applaud you.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 9:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9043235)
i'm starting to suspect about Golgari blatant defense towards Weiss and Syn. As he said himself, would be an easy lynch to silence someone who's been called anti-town, but it would also be a good tactic to silence that person and pointing that out, everyone would be reluctanct to lynch said person.

Ah yes, Johnny provides the easy read.

Your complete trust in Bact/Chesire Cat (who is not a confirmed inno tyvm) is very close in relation to your complete trust in your mafia partner Nimsy from R&M. You do not even consider the possibility that Bact is scum but instead provide niche reverse psychology tactics thinking that I would make a play so unnecessarily elaborate just to incriminate a random player. Now you have me thinking that not only do you not know how to mix up your playstyle - or at least make it look like you're thinking in a more rational sense, but also have me thinking that you're scum.

Two can play that niche tactic game. I'm thinking that you are mafia partners with Bact and when the Rockets decided to silence Syndrome you'd have this argument ready so you could incriminate one of the attentive players that called out Syndrome's silence and related it to Bact's dead-set goal on killing Syndrome.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 9:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 9043261)
What I find 'anti-town' about them is not specifically because they threw insults (everyone does, it's mafia) and pointed out possible faults in our reasoning, but because they blatantly distracted the town and drew suspicions. Additionally, they refused to elaborate when pursued, causing more distraction and pointless conversation. This is extremely suspicious imo.

Assuming for a moment that Syn and/or Weiss is a baddie, I'd say Doof was sided with them/him. The reason being they were in fact being extremely and noticeably anti-town, yet Doof still acts like I'm the one being snide and illogical.

Not only did you forget to provide me with a pokemon move that could possibly be used as a recruiting action, but you forget that Weiss has been testing me and providing small tidbits here or there that could potentially incriminate me as mafia if acted upon further, such as commenting about how not sharing my attack stat helps the mafia more than the innos and I was using irrational logic, or attacking me.

In a game with limited HP, each mafia member will want as much HP as possible, making it an extremely risky and bad move to attack another member - especially for as much as 7 damage, which is a considerable amount to hit someone with.

If you knew how I played as mafia, or even tried to understand how I played, then you would know that I never make such dumb risks just to 'look inno'. EDIT: Especially if the plays involve sacrificing me, the only time I ever did such a thing was in Grandmafia, and I did that simply because the game was lacking action and I felt the need to spice it up a bit. Silencing someone who can turn a lynch as well as Syndrome would be a silly play if Syn was mafia.

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 9:24 PM

http://img.michaeljacksonspictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/popcorn-blank.gif

Sonata December 20th, 2015 9:26 PM

jesus just attack each other and get it over with.

as for me I'll [attack] universe

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 9:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 9043292)
I'll let Johnny elaborate on why he seems to agree on most everything I say, but for now I'd like to state that I'd never be stupid enough to silence Syn after throwing a blast seed at him and expressing my fos. That is idiotic. If I was planning on silencing Syn, I would've kept quiet and avoided using my blast seed.

Just as idiotic as expecting me to side with someone so obviously if I were mafia?

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Now that you mention it, I never would've claimed Ferrothorn in the first place if I was a Rocket. If you haven't noticed, I play quietly as a mafioso, not vocally.
First of all, you didn't even claim Ferro until someone guessed it, so you could very easily not be ferrothorn and be something else like Garchomp or Sharpedo for fear that somehow someone else was one of the other. Second of all, I have noticed, and was one of the first people to publicly express how you play as mafia, so if everyone has your playstyle figured out, why wouldn't you do your best to change it then use it as an excuse to express your innocence? IMO using a different playstyle then saying 'uh but I'm not playing how I did as mafia in this game this game this game' is NOT a good argument at all.


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...why would I provide you with a move? It was just an idea that popped into my head. I could've elaborated on it, I guess? It wasn't really relevant what move could've been used at the time, and isn't now.
It is, though. What's the point of even speculating something if you don't elaborate on it? Providing a move could lead us to further discussion and potentially turn a lynch towards Weiss and Syn. I'm trying to figure out if a recruitment is possible, and without a move, there isn't a way it would be possible. Posting an idea then doing nothing with it when asked to elaborate is a classic example of something that shouldn't even be posted, perhaps listen to Weiss next time?

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Weiss' sudden anti-town behavior when he was previously rather helpful indicated that he may have been recruited. There isn't more to it. The only thing I have against you is how much you act like Weiss and Syn's behavior was completely normal when it really, really didn't seem like it. You are becoming increasingly hostile and accusatory every time I mention them. What does that mean?
Weiss being rude is completely normal if you've even played a game with him that he's tried in. Look at Gotham, look at GAU, look at Fangirl, and tell me Weiss being rude isn't a trend. The reason there was 'sudden anti-town behavior' is because Weiss usually only brings discussion to the table when accused or when he decides he has enough information to share, and I'm quite sure someone asked someone else to provide their opinion on if Weiss was suss or not. Also, I'm not being hostile, I'm actually disagreeing with something that I truly believe is wrong, sue me for it and I'll have my lawyers ignore you because it's mafia and that's how mafia is played. -3-

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Whenever I push the blame onto Syn and Weiss, you push it onto me.
Tell me this, user Chesire Cat. If someone repeatedly accuses someone you think is inno, will you not point your finger of suspicion in their direction?

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 9:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9043306)
I was expecting you to do this :) in your response to bact, you're saying how risky would it be for a mafia to attack one of their own to look innocent, and yet, you seem to forget that i was bandwagoned by both Draskk and KetsuekiR who both turn out to be Rockets. I'm not gonna let you throw the Fos on me. Again, wrong, nimsy and i weren't partners in R&M, i was snowball, a third party role, and she was mafia. I have never said that i trusted Bact, but he seems to be in the same track with me, and i stand still with my position about Weiss and Syn, who you seem to be defending at all costs with excusses like: Andy is a late-gamer, a good player, but no strong points about their innocence, even when they have done nothing but being totally anti-town like Bact said, and distracting us with ambiguous responses, reluctanct to cooperate with the town.

You're right, I was thinking of why Nimsy said that she started agreeing with you and being active and for some reason it made me think you were her mafia partner, my bad :P

Also, you don't need to blatantly say you trust someone in order to show that you're agreeing with them and not thinking suspiciously of them. My strong points about their innocence is that I know how to read players. Lynch both if you want, I invited you to do so last phase. Just know that when "Syndrome is an explorer" and "Ice Goddess is an explorer" pop up, I'll be there saying I told you so.

Did I ever mention how the phrase anti-town is annoying and doesn't make sense at all? You're obviously not calling them scum but the way it's worded and used makes it sound like you're trying to lynch a town member simply because they aren't being productive.

Sopheria December 20th, 2015 9:50 PM

I think we've had that Michael Jackson popcorn gif posted 3 times so far. Gosh what a game it has been.

I'm just going to roll with Nimsy's reasoning here and [attack] Wiicked. I'm still poisoned too, so there's also that ;w;

Klippy December 20th, 2015 9:54 PM

So basically the scenario we have here is Golgari/Syndrome/Ice Goddess vs. Cheshire Cat/JohnnyMustang, in a sense.

Why don't we just kill them all and let Arceus sort 'em out? Joking, but there's some clear lines getting drawn among these guys. Syn and Weiss have not spoken this phase, either meaning silenced or a plot. Not sure really though. Could go either way.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 9:56 PM

I don't think Weiss is online, so we can't really assume he's been silenced or anything of the sort yet. Syn however, is probably silenced.

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 9:57 PM

I'm certain syn is silenced.

And I'm definitely leaning towards doof's side.

Ullion December 20th, 2015 10:04 PM

So, I've mentioned everything about my role in this game previously; but since I'm being asked about I'll list everything out again. :)

I am Ariados, a Poison/Bug type. My day attack is Constrict (1 damage) and my night attack is Night Shade (9 damage). As far as I know, I outted my own night ability on day 2, to clear up the question as to where a single-source of 9 damage was coming from each night. As far as I know, I haven't tried to hide any of this information.

Since my night action is an actual attack (night shade), I do not possess the ability to poison any players (by visiting them or by being visited). Nor can I do anything else other than attack at both day and night times.

My allegiance started (and as of this day phase, still is) with the explorers.

As for why Sonata got poisoned when he checked me? It must have been coincidence? Obviously there is no way to prove I can't do both night shade and some poison-inducing attack at night, I would just have to hope you all understand that it would be silly for a a single role to have both actions. And as for getting no result from investigating me? I'm not quite sure on that either, there may be a role-blocker amongst the mafia? I wouldn't find that too farfetch'd (hehe), afterall it is a common mafia role, is it not?

If you wish, I can also go back in my PM storage and post all my night-time targets for Night Shade?

The only other thing to have happened around me was that I had received a Lum Berry on this night. Again, thank you to whomever had given it to me. :)

So I believe I have shared as much as I can about who/what I am and have I have done/received at night. If there is something I have missed and not mentioned, or you're wanting to know more of - then feel free to ask. o.o


edit: I would like Cheshire to do a full-reveal (Pokemon, moves, etc.) although he could just as easily lie at this point anyways. But I agree with Klippy saying that there is a definite line drawn between those two parties. And to be quite frank, I don't trust either side too much (not saying I think they're inno or not, I just don't feel inclined to believe what they say).

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 10:08 PM

His argument is concise and clear.

You've been talking in circles.
I tend to not trust people that talk in circles.

Sonata December 20th, 2015 10:12 PM

I believe bact to be the more suspect of the two. If we kill him and find that he's inno then that we'll hit doof the next time.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 9043349)
Syn guessed my role 5 seconds after I posted I did damage. If I had really wanted to fake my role I would've said, "No actually I'm Druddigon" or something along those lines to avoid this conflict later on.

I want to say something about this but idk yet

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Sounds like someone else I know... Your point is entirely hypocritical.
First of all, 'if you read more closely you would understand' that I am not saying I played a certain way as mafia and am not playing that way now, therefore I am inno. I'm saying I'm not going to EVER make an idiotic play such as risking damage in a HP based game to look inno, because honestly anyone that does that is making a dumb play, and I try to avoid making as few dumb plays as possible.



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You're asking for details so stupidly specific that it seems obvious to me you're trying to distract the town, or make my point seem less valid. There are many, many moves and I'm sure at least one of them fits the bill, but that's not relevant. If you care so much, research it yourself. You even go so far to say I shouldn't have even posted my theory? My my, you really are sided with Syn and Weiss.
It isn't as 'stupidly' specific as you think. Every single operation in this game involves either an item or move. So, if there was a recruiting action, it would have to be a move or item that can be related to such.

Example: Block = roleblock

So, if we can't find a move or item that relates to recruiting (the reason I don't do it myself is because I don't think that there is a recruiting action in this game), then there can't be a recruiting action. And yes I am siding with Syn and Weiss because I think they're inno... I don't know why you think that's something to act weird about with the 'my, my' for dramatic effect... And I'm saying you shouldn't post an idea if you're going to abandon it when someone asks you to elaborate on how such idea could be possible because that is doing exactly what you're accusing me, weiss, and syn of doing, distracting the town. Posting random ideas and doing nothing with it is a waste of everyone's time, which according to you wasting inno's time is 'anti-town'.



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If you read my posts more closely, you would see that I said that being rude is not my issue. My issue is that Syn and Weiss (the latter previously acting townsided, as you so kindly pointed out) made a scene for no given reason, and then refused to bring anything new to the table, answer questions, or elaborate points. This caused conversation to drag on pointlessly. Yet you seem to ignore this and act like this is a completely normal and appropriate play?
We have ~48 hours in a day phase I think we can spare a couple shitposts bact. Also, not everyone has a role that's safer to keep revealed then not reveal. Just because someone asks doesn't mean they're forced to tell, especially if it's safer for them to not tell.


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There is a distinct difference between pointing a finger at someone, explaining why their point is flawed, and blatantly disregarding their point (or even going so far as to invalidate their point because it didn't have tiny details.) Give me some better reasons, please.

Elaborate.
...lol!

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 10:20 PM

I think that the word anti-town deserves a special post.

IF THEY ARE UNCOOPERATIVE, CALL THEM SO.

IF THEY ARE RUDE, CALL THEM SO.

IF THEY ARE NOT HELPING, SAY SO.

THE PHRASE ANTI-TOWN IS VAGUE AND DOESN'T REALLY GET THE POINT ACROSS.

PLEASE STOP USING IT.

thanks~

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 10:25 PM

Understanding how people play is very important.

You've just been saying, syn and ice are bad because they were "uncooperative" and doof is bad because he's refuting your points.
Also you've been asking people to "elaborate" when your "elaboration" for syn and ice being "anti-town" is weak at best.

I don't trust you in the slightest.

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9043383)
The narrative slightly implies that there's a recruiter. If we can't find a move or item that could be related to recruiting then maybe it is a person, not a pokemon. I haven't watch the anime so i couldn't tell.

Also doof, you always base your theories on the behavior of people in other games, and you defend yourself with things like "I'm good at reading people" "I know how they play" "I wouldn't make such a dumb move" Someone could really throw you off the trail by just acting different, i prefer more logical reasoning, like things that happens in the same game.

Doof sussed me out in R&m for acting different.
He was right.

Your Fos has also fallen on me for acting different.

Understanding players can be vital.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 9043384)
Oh yes, and Doof's reason for my recruition theory is sooo strong.

Your reason is literally 'i can't be bothered to support my own argument with details that aren't tiny but I'll call them tiny because it'll make you look wrong.'

Mine actually is logical and involves using game mechanics to prove if something can happen or not.

Also thanks for not allowing me to refute your posts by quoting you since you just bolded your points in my quote. I guess I can't elaborate and disagree with the almighty chesire cat anymore.

Ullion December 20th, 2015 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Golgari (Post 9043380)
I think that the word anti-town deserves a special post.

IF THEY ARE UNCOOPERATIVE, CALL THEM SO.

IF THEY ARE RUDE, CALL THEM SO.

IF THEY ARE NOT HELPING, SAY SO.

THE PHRASE ANTI-TOWN IS VAGUE AND DOESN'T REALLY GET THE POINT ACROSS.

PLEASE STOP USING IT.

thanks~

So I'm gunna throw this out there quickly. Those three things you asked them to "say so" in place of saying "anti-town"... well.. they did during the previous day before even using the word "anti-town". :P

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 10:39 PM

Your rebuttal for the recruitment debate is what is lacking.

If you can come up with a logical, pokemon related reason it would be solved.
Why not reference the recruitment system in the pmd series?
Or think of a move that could recruit.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 10:39 PM

The previous day was too much shitposting and tldr, so I only read the posts that actually seemed to carry some length and logic to them.

Either way, the word is confusing and annoying and there are more specific words to use that make it easier to understand

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 10:43 PM

Hey look bac made a pointless post and it caused the carrying on of a pointless discussion, I guess it wasn't just Syn after all!

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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 9043397)
Oh, ok. Go ahead and give up, rather than actually disproving my points. It's better than ignoring them altogether, I suppose!

I'm not giving up, you're purposefully making it more difficult for me to actually use your posts in quotes because you don't like it when I argue against you.

I haven't used letters inside of quotes because I actually want you to provide reasoning for why you think I'm wrong. I want to win this game. I want to get an understanding of everything in the game so I can place the town along with myself in a better position to win.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 9043404)
If you insist!

Soak could convert to Team Aqua.

Forest's Curse and Trick-or-Treat are also viable.

Transform could be a user move that causes conversion to a new side. So could Reflect Type, Conversion2, Camouflage, Conversion.

Protean and Color Change are abilties that could constantly change your side.

Content?


****ING FINALLY


WAS THAT SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD?!

we should consider the possibility that Team Aqua could gain in size, since they are trying to cover the world in water, converting pokemon to water type makes complete sense.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 9043408)
It's the principle of the thing, not how hard it was to do it ._.

Team Aqua could very well be the obligatory cult in this game.

I'd like to point out very quickly that you were upset with syn for being uncooperative, but you refused to provide me with a pokemon move or item or mechanic that would potentially recruit and strengthen your points. You also purposefully made it harder for me to create a rebuttal against you. Real debate is an important part of mafia, and you made it more difficult for that to happen.

Mr. Sharpedo.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 9043422)
Oh yes, Mr. Sharpedo just revealed that Team Aqua is probably the cult.

If that's what you think, you should probably disregard that because it's obviously all a lie 0_0

I must admit though being the leader of Team Aqua would be sooo much cooler than being Ferrothorn.

You forgot one thing Bact.

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Recently we discovered the existence of a hidden passage from ancient scrolls. Our research show that the legends they spoke of are linked to those of the creation of the Sinnoh region overseas. Arceus, who is seen as nobody less than the god of Pokémon, is said to be able to open an entrance in the Ruins of Alph to a location that's neither Sinnoh nor Johto: the Sinjoh Ruins. We believe that if we have found the exact location of these Ruins. If we get there, we should be able to meet Arceus himself and travel back the hidden path backwards safely.
This is gen 4! you literally cannot be a ferrothorn, because ferrothorn does not exist in this game!

That also means Fletch is lying :)

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 11:11 PM

http://s3-static-ak.buzzfed.com/static/campaign_images/terminal05/2012/8/31/17/things-that-blew-your-mind-when-you-were-a-kid-1-30991-1346448555-3_big.jpg

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 11:14 PM

Fletch's destiny bond is roleblocked... right?

That means his death should take priority over Bact's

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 11:16 PM

WE HAVE A WINRAR!!

The debate is settled.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9043447)
Until someone dies. Unless Bact is aqua team, and rozureido mafia, Golgari is not confirmed town.

I'll accept not being confirmed town to kill two scum

gimmepie December 20th, 2015 11:31 PM

Okay, I just read what is arguably the longest salt war ever seen in mafia. Firstly, I'm going to point out that Weiss and Syn are not playing any differently than usual - bar Syn's sudden lack of posting which indicated he's been silenced (sleep?).

Second, I don't think anyone was being serious abut the gen 4 thing, but just in case anyone actually thinks that I'm going to point out that we're borrowing mechanics and plot devices from all over the place. This game obviously takes place outside the established game canon etc.

Third, we should not be killing Fletch. We can use his Destiny Bond to take out an enemy legendary with ease and unless I've missed something he's still yet to do anything even remotely suspicious.

Fourth, what's with the mini-wagon on Universe?

Fifth, nobody else attack JD so we can verify Mana's healer claim.


Now that's out of the way

[Attack] Cheshire Cat

He can argue that he's innocent all he wants but he very obviously changed his play style after we pointed out that he was being quiet, which he usually is as a mafia player. On the off chance that he is innocent, we know who to go after next.

Bidoof FTW December 20th, 2015 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9043461)
I don't think anyone was being serious abut the gen 4 thing, but just in case anyone actually thinks that I'm going to point out that we're borrowing mechanics and plot devices from all over the place. This game obviously takes place outside the established game canon etc.

I was completely serious.

Just because it isn't canon doesn't mean it can't take place before 5th and 6th gen x:

gimmepie December 20th, 2015 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Golgari (Post 9043464)
I was completely serious.

Just because it isn't canon doesn't mean it can't take place before 5th and 6th gen x:

It doesn't mean it can't have, you're right there. It would be foolish though to rule out the 5th and 6th generations when we know in fact that we're operating outside of established canon. Unless something in the phase posts indicates otherwise, we shouldn't unnecessarily narrow our scope of investigation by ruling out pokemon from the later two gens.

Nimsy December 20th, 2015 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9043465)
EDIT: Being 4th gen would make sense if the GM wouldn't have played further than that, does anyone knows if Lycan played the 5th and 6th gen? If i was gonna make a pokemon game, i would make it 3th gen, because i know **** about the others.

3th
3th
3th
3th

lol, I had to.

Ullion December 20th, 2015 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Golgari (Post 9043431)
You forgot one thing Bact.



This is gen 4! you literally cannot be a ferrothorn, because ferrothorn does not exist in this game!

That also means Fletch is lying :)

At first I completely wrote off your theory, simply because in where you quoted, Lycan said "that is located in neither the Johto nor Sinnoh regions" and the fact that the Pokemon we play as are not wild Pokemon, but rather Pokemon temporarily donated to Oak by other trainers for this mission. This could just as easily mean Pokemon from any region could be present. Personally, I'm still not convinced either. But one thing that is funny is that it is specifically the two regions that exist in the fourth generation of games. Still though... I feel like it may be a stretch to say you're right - but it is totally a possibility.

edit: Also Fletch's destiny bond reminds me of one of the "bomb" roles that were used in older games by the mafia faction. I believe GP had this in Blarzi1, where Klippy was said mafia-aligned bomb. Where he picked someone at night, and if he died, so did that other person? So let's not jump to conclusions saying Destiny Bond is aligned one way or the other specifically. I think this point is still up in the air.

Salzorrah December 20th, 2015 11:55 PM

Actually, that could be, guys, the only confirmed legendary we know is Desi, who is a Dialga, a Gen 4 Pokemon. Tbh, im leaning with the whole Gen 4 canon theory.

Also, I'm really positive that Syn got silenced. Syn, if you see this, can you like this post and confirm it to everyone? I dont know if thats cheating or what :x

But I do think Bac is really fishy. Would vote for him but I'll wait for people telling me to vote for him.

Salzorrah December 21st, 2015 12:05 AM

actually he liked my post above... unless he's lying and just not posting, but i doubt he'll do that on purpose :x

Universe December 21st, 2015 12:05 AM

That war was awesome. Based on all that I've read so far, currently my attention is still on Ullion after aeternum mentioned being poisoned upon visiting him and failing the alignment reading. To me that doesn't sound like town behavior and I don't like it.

Edit: On second thought, I'm going to hold my vote and let you talk.

Bidoof FTW December 21st, 2015 12:08 AM

Syn is a vocal player, he wouldn't just not post

Universe December 21st, 2015 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9043500)
However, i do not agree with attacking Ullion just like that...

I know, I retracted it really fast I'm sorry. :x

Ullion December 21st, 2015 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Universe (Post 9043493)
That war was awesome. Based on all that I've read so far, currently my attention is still on Ullion after aeternum mentioned being poisoned upon visiting him and failing the alignment reading. To me that doesn't sound like town behavior and I don't like it.

Edit: On second thought, I'm going to hold my vote and let you talk.

Could you tell me how I could have two incredible abilities (a night attack AND the ability to poison people if they visit me) as an Ariados? We have a confirmed legendary who has one ability, that he can only use once.

I mean, obviously Sonata being poisoned on the night he visited me sounds fishy. But how could I have two separate night abilities? Also, if you think I poison people when I'm visited - then instead of voting for me instantly, why not ask publicly for other people to claim if they got poisoned on the night they visited me or not? Tbh, I feel like you voting for me this quickly is a bit off. :/

edit: I also posted a long post before explaining everything I can that is in my power to (seeing as how little information I have) if you want to read that. >.>

Universe December 21st, 2015 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ullion (Post 9043505)
I mean, obviously Sonata being poisoned on the night he visited me sounds fishy. But how could I have two separate night abilities? Also, if you think I poison people when I'm visited - then instead of voting for me instantly, why not ask publicly for other people to claim if they got poisoned on the night they visited me or not? Tbh, I feel like you voting for me this quickly is a bit off. :/

Care to explain how the investigation itself failed then? I can concede that perhaps someone else hit aeternum and it ended up appearing to be you. However, a failed investigation sounds really off.

Bidoof FTW December 21st, 2015 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9043506)
And if he is mafia and doing that on purpose, he tricked you. As i said before, just because they have a play-style doesn't mean they will always do that.

That's a possibility, sure. We'll find out when he gets warned for not voting, won't we?

Ullion December 21st, 2015 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe (Post 9043507)
Care to explain how the investigation itself failed then? I can concede that perhaps someone else hit aeternum and it ended up appearing to be you. However, a failed investigation sounds really off.

It's possibly he got hit by two night actions at once. It's not that unbelievable, right? I've been mafia lots of times before, and it's definitely a viable thing to hit a single target with multiple NAs.

It's also possible that the mafia has an investigative role of their own, possibly can use foresight/detect, so they knew he was a cop role, so they roleblocked him to stop him from checking people, and they poisoned him to kill him.

Obviously it's all theorycrafting. And if you really want to attack me, go ahead, but you're killing an inno. :P

jdthebud December 21st, 2015 12:32 AM

Sorry to say, I'm a Gen 5 Pokemon. Boom goes the dynamite.

Salzorrah December 21st, 2015 12:36 AM

what if jd is a evil healer :OOOO

okay im just shitposting now. welp the gen 4 theory is a bust now :(

Universe December 21st, 2015 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ullion (Post 9043516)
It's possibly he got hit by two night actions at once. It's not that unbelievable, right? I've been mafia lots of times before, and it's definitely a viable thing to hit a single target with multiple NAs.

It's also possible that the mafia has an investigative role of their own, possibly can use foresight/detect, so they knew he was a cop role, so they roleblocked him to stop him from checking people, and they poisoned him to kill him.

Obviously it's all theorycrafting. And if you really want to attack me, go ahead, but you're killing an inno. :P

Yeah, I can agree with that. I am sorry for the hasty action, that was stupid of me. As you can tell I'm still waking up. :( Thankfully it's only a poke for 4 damage.

I did go back and read more of your posts from this thread to refresh my memory and yeah, bad move from me.

Juno December 21st, 2015 12:42 AM

Just so it's out there, Gunner's an Explorer. With all the mistrust and theories floating around I don't know if it's a really bad time for me to say this, but I have a weirdish role where I have 4 one-time abilities instead of a regular NA, and one of them is a one-time investigation. I wish I was actually able to use it to find a bad guy, but I used it on Gunner last night and she's good.

Salzorrah December 21st, 2015 12:49 AM

Junobae i love how you come to defend me and such for my stupid actions and confirm my alignment to everyone, but im not sure what pokemon attacks does that have to do with your description.... elaborate?

Ullion December 21st, 2015 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe (Post 9043525)
Yeah, I can agree with that. I am sorry for the hasty action, that was stupid of me. As you can tell I'm still waking up. :( Thankfully it's only a poke for 4 damage.

I did go back and read more of your posts from this thread to refresh my memory and yeah, bad move from me.

No prob :P I understand people not fully trusting me. Afterall it's beyond my role\s capacity to prove my innocence beyond what I have done/said so far. And having a night attack, being a shady (hehe) pokemon can definitely make me seem sketchy, so I don't blame you at all for thinking me Rocket. I just want to make it clear though, I really don't think it would make sense for me to have a night attack and the ability to poison whomever visits me and/or roleblock them. :P

Also, assuming Juno is telling the truth, then sorry Gunner for hitting you tonight.

Uuuugh, I have no idea to hit at night. I feel like everyone who has been suss at some point is now likely to be innocent after I hit them ><""

edit: Could Juno possibly be Smeargle and she can copy 4 player's abilities and use them once each? Just a shot in the dark XD

Juno December 21st, 2015 1:01 AM

Does everyone have a role that matches up with a Pokemon attack? I was afraid to reveal for that reason, and also the fact that I'm a Pokemon who's often used by Rocket grunts, so I'm sure someone will try to use that against me.

I'm a Rattata, and my four NA's are labelled "Top Percentage Skills 1, 2, 3, 4" in the role PM. The only thing about my role that has to do with a Pokemon attack is just my regular attack, which is Hyper Fang.

I know it sounds really weird compared to everyone else who's revealed so far, but I hope the fact that I've been fairly straightforward about everything (revealed my attack value, didn't hide the berry faer gave me and gave it to jd to cure his poison) makes me credible here. :P

Bidoof FTW December 21st, 2015 1:16 AM

welp

even if gen 4 is a bust, I find that Bact's silence after viewing the thread and my post to be very alarming.

gimmepie December 21st, 2015 2:44 AM

So, JD is probably Audino. Interesting.

Salzorrah December 21st, 2015 4:46 AM

actually i'm somewhat convinced at juno's claim... im not sure yet... ALSO GUYS, WHO DO YOU WANT ME TO ATTACK?

Klippy December 21st, 2015 5:02 AM

Uhhhh. So I thought there was some chant to kill Rozureido? Do it up folks. Let's see what this bah is.

MAFIA PRANKS GONE SEXUAL

Desinishon December 21st, 2015 5:35 AM

damn man so much happened when I'm gone. And to clear that +66 heal was not on me. Who the hell poisoned me??

Candy December 21st, 2015 5:35 AM

You guys might want to direct me before I launch my 12 damage and it ends up killing someone innocent. :"

I'm leaning towards Bac right now tho.

Mana December 21st, 2015 5:36 AM

p sure the +66 health was me

Daydream December 21st, 2015 5:45 AM

I feel like I just read the same variations of different arguments over like a million pages. After trying to read all that I just agree with what others have side. Both sides are kinda suspicious.

Wicked3DS December 21st, 2015 6:04 AM

Well this escalated quickly.

And Cathy whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ;_;

Winter December 21st, 2015 7:31 AM

Hi. Wow I'm still alive. I was expecting to be targeted by everyone in the night.

FWIW, I don't recall actually being helpful (as defined as providing information and discussing) at all this game because I already said I have little information to share. I would also like to point out to those who accused me being "anti-town" that I did not "distract" the town into pointless discussion as it was derailed by other users not named faer. Also the word "uncooperative" is highly subjective and not objective – I personally feel that I'm doing town a favour by not speaking when I have nothing substantial to speak of. And I'd like to point out that faer did not roleclaim until today, which makes everything that was said to me yesterday hypocritical. I'd also like to point out that I merely said that I didn't trust the intelligence of those who were pointing their FoS; I have not bothered to make insults nor do I resort to ad hominem. I am not responsible for how people interpret my posts (as it is, I've had different responses). Just know that you're bound to meet people with strong personalities and opinions and may use words that you aren't used to hearing to get their point across. You can either be mature and ignore them, or try to understand where they are coming from (and why they seem rude or aggressive to you). Or you can make a fuss out of nothing and achieve nothing with your efforts.

Anyways, now that I've said my piece, I might as well as add that I am a Kecleon with Psybeam (dealing 7 damage) and that my win condition is to survive (which means I win with *anyone*). Go ahead and attack me if you want. I've had it at this point.

Have a nice game.

Bidoof FTW December 21st, 2015 7:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rozureido (Post 9043612)
Seems like the most likely case.

Also that war was amazing. I enjoyed seeing Doof have a little ego trip and then it being crushed. Satisfying. Having said that, I don't trust Bact at all and probably leaning on not trusting Johnny too. Syndrome looks to be silenced for sure. He's been discussed way too much to not at least say something, let's be honest. And Weiss is just being Weiss so...

Love you too <3

Who are you thinking about d-bonding tonight?

Also gunner I don't think rolling on Bact could hurt

Bidoof FTW December 21st, 2015 7:47 AM

Personally I'd rather make use of your hunter ability

IMO use it on whoever you think is most suss

Bidoof FTW December 21st, 2015 7:49 AM

You realize ferrothorn has base 100 attack


Edit: bro ferrothorn can't even learn rapid spin

gimmepie December 21st, 2015 8:04 AM

Not to mention that being a Ferrothorn doesn't say anything about your allegiance anyway.

gimmepie December 21st, 2015 8:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 9043903)
Kill me then, it's your loss.

That's the plan :)

Wicked3DS December 21st, 2015 8:18 AM

[Attack] Cheshire Cat

Going with my gut on this one after seeing everything I've seen.

Desinishon December 21st, 2015 9:21 AM

[Attack] Ice Goddess

Sorry man It's just random.

Nimsy December 21st, 2015 9:23 AM

With everything that has just happened, you "random vote".

You've got to be kidding me.

Daydream December 21st, 2015 9:32 AM

And it doesn't seem that random given the person you voted for was on involved (or at least the focus of some of) the arguing that's been happening.

This throws suspicion on desinishon too, imo.

Nimsy December 21st, 2015 9:36 AM

Stop bringing up irrelevant things.

You can't change your vote in this game.

Desinishon December 21st, 2015 9:38 AM

Sorry ALMIGHTY Nimsy.

I'm annoying you don't I.


Edit : Oh! Daydream so here is the thing

First I make a list of suspicious people so far and give each of them a no. and then I click on a app named Random no. generator so I generate a number . which is of ice goddess. As for suspicion thing at least I prove to everyone that I am dialga , is there any proof you give everyone that you are the pokemon you claim.


( I am going to sleep so plz don't ask any other question . )

Ullion December 21st, 2015 9:59 AM

Just want to get this out there: but does anyone have a good target for me to hit tonight? And please no one say Bact, I don't want to take 8 night damage. T_T I mean, it's a good way to test to see what he says is true or not, though. But I don't have the greatest HP, especially since I've been chipped at a bit.

Also, I don't know if Lycan can answer this, so we may need to test this buuut:
If Bact really is Sharpedo and has rough skin, then won't he only deal damage back to a player if they use a physical attack?
Doof, could you tell us what attack you use? (My apologies ahead of time if you've already stated the name of your attack and I missed it)

Although I am kind of thinking it is any attack he reflects anyways, since (afaik) poison and steel types can still be poisoned, rock/ground/steel types still get hit by sandstorm, etc.

But if turns out that only physical attacks can be punished, then we can have our special attackers hit Bact during the day. *If we want to follow through with killing him to see if he is inno or not

Nimsy December 21st, 2015 10:03 AM

It might go by gen 1 rules.
So there might not be physical or special attacks, just attacks.

Mana December 21st, 2015 10:04 AM

I doubt there's a specified Special/Physical split, tbh. Seems like it would be one mechanic too far.

Universe December 21st, 2015 10:30 AM

I don't like this plan. If Cheshire's inno we're gonna end up with a lot of extra damage and that's stupid.

Don't you think it'd be smarter to investigate him instead of hurting yourselves with every hit based on a hunch you're making? Doesn't that just play into what the mafia wants anyway?

Seth Rollins December 21st, 2015 10:30 AM

Wow what happened today is...wow.

Okay so, Bac is definitely suspicious as hell and I want to attack him but I don't want to lose anymore HP since I already lost about 30 I think.

And BTW I can claim whenever you guys want, just tell me when.

Nimsy December 21st, 2015 10:34 AM

If we don't want to get damaged attacking bac. . . why don't we just have fletch use destiny bond on him?

Universe December 21st, 2015 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimsy (Post 9044059)
If we don't want to get damaged attacking bac. . . why don't we just have fletch use destiny bond on him?

Aren't we waiting to corner Giratina? And what if Cheshire ends up inno and we killed two innos based on a hunch?

No go. We need to be sure.

Wicked3DS December 21st, 2015 12:25 PM

To be fair, we're probably never going to be sure about anything.

txteclipse December 21st, 2015 1:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daydream (Post 9043140)
I'm just an ordinary Cloyster. My attack does 5. Idk if I revealed that yet or if it's at all helpful rn. The presence of active recruiters makes me really uncertain.

I find this claim interesting considering I've got you down as doing 12 damage on five different occasions:

Day 1 vs. KetsuiekiR: -4 (Universe), -4 (Wiicked), -8 (Klippy), -12 (Daydream)
Day 2 vs. Draskk: -5 (gimmepie), -5 (faer), -4 (Wiicked), -10 (TheCapsFan), -12 (Daydream)
Day 3 vs. Draskk: -5 (Sandstorm), -2 (Bardothren), -7 (Syndrome), -3 (aeternum), -1 (Ullion), -10 (TheCapsFan), -7 (gimmepie), -12 (Daydream)
Day 4 vs. desinishon: -5 (Sandstorm), -2 (Bardothren), -7 (Syndrome), -3 (aeternum), -1 (Ullion), -10 (TheCapsFan), -7 (gimmepie), -12 (Daydream)
Day 5 vs. Ice Goddess (though the damage count here is 8 points higher than it should be, still figuring this one out): -12 (Daydream), -3 (aeternum), -1 (Sopheria), -1 (Ullion), -7 (txteclipse), -5 (faer)

Feel free to correct me on these or add details, especially with that last one. Not saying these are 100% since some people's attacks seem to do variable damage (wtf Klippy?), but this is one of the more consistent damage values I've been seeing.

Mana December 21st, 2015 1:52 PM

Klippy's variable attack makes some sense when you note the claim that him and Milotic have.

faer December 21st, 2015 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txteclipse (Post 9044256)
-snip-
Feel free to correct me on these or add details, especially with that last one. Not saying these are 100% since some people's attacks seem to do variable damage (wtf Klippy?), but this is one of the more consistent damage values I've been seeing.

Let's see... Klippy claimed to do 6 damage, but getting a helping hand (doubling damage) more then once. I believe Wiicked does 8 damage, gimmepie does damage done to him +2 afaik, so 7dmgd on d2, 9 or 14 on d3 and none on d4 (or maybe dmg donex1.5?).

There's no reason to doubt Daydreams claim, especially since he was invested and confirmed to be inno.

Universe December 21st, 2015 2:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txteclipse (Post 9044256)
Feel free to correct me on these or add details, especially with that last one. Not saying these are 100% since some people's attacks seem to do variable damage (wtf Klippy?), but this is one of the more consistent damage values I've been seeing.

I think Klippy is receiving a Helping Hand every now and again.. probably from Milotic. :P He said his base damage is 6 or something?

Bidoof FTW December 21st, 2015 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ullion (Post 9044013)
if they use a physical attack? Doof, could you tell us what attack you use?

I use tackle


EDIT: Klippy and Milotic claim to be Plusle and Minun, so using Helping Hand makes a lot of sense for their pokemon imo

Bidoof FTW December 21st, 2015 2:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyMustang (Post 9044111)
So, you're not cooperating? You won't help the town?

[Attack] JohnnyMustang

Wicked3DS December 21st, 2015 2:58 PM

Attacking Johnny just for saying that?

txteclipse December 21st, 2015 2:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faer (Post 9044275)
I believe Wiicked does 8 damage, gimmepie does damage done to him +2 afaik, so 7dmgd on d2, 9 or 14 on d3 and none on d4 (or maybe dmg donex1.5?).

Okay, going off of that, I'm getting some funky discrepancies but it could work...
  • Day 1 vs. KetsuekiR: -4 (Universe), -8 (Wiicked), -12 (Klippy), -5 (Daydream)
  • Day 2 vs. Draskk; 1 point under Lycanthropy's total: -7 (gimmepie), -5 (faer), -8 (Wiicked), -10 (TheCapsFan), -5 (Daydream)
  • Day 3 vs. Draskk; 3 points under Lycanthropy's total: -5 (Sandstorm), -2 (Bardothren), -7 (Syndrome), -3 (aeternum), -1 (Ullion), -10 (TheCapsFan), -9 (gimmepie), -5 (Daydream)
  • Day 4 vs. desinishon; 7 points under Lycanthropy's total: -9 (Juno), -2 (Rozureido), -5 (Superjolt), -6 (Arsonist), -2 (Wizarman11), -5 (Daydream), -0 (gimmepie), -1 (Golgari)
  • Day 5 vs. Ice Goddess; 1 point over Lycanthropy's total: -5 (Daydream), -3 (aeternum), -1 (Sopheria), -1 (Ullion), -7 (txteclipse), -5 (faer)
EDIT: WHOOPS got that backwards. Draskk took MORE damage than he should have on nights 3 and 4 going off of this. desinishon still took more damage than what I've got here and Ice Goddess took less.

Bidoof FTW December 21st, 2015 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiicked (Post 9044325)
Attacking Johnny just for saying that?

yes. I feel that Johnny is purposefully drawing attention to people who do not follow the bad democracy we have going on. Fletch/Rozureido is offering to help kill someone that he thinks is bulky scum, which he believes Bact isn't. (Did I get that right? Correct me if I'm wrong Fletch)


Personally I think Bact is bluffing about taking 3 days to die so that we feel less inclined to attack him, but that could absolutely be wrong

Mana December 21st, 2015 3:09 PM

Probably bluffing yes, but I'd rather be certain before we potentially kill two allies with one stone :L.

Lay off Rozu and Cheshire, I would say Johnny or Daydream (if txt's maths is right?) are good targets to whittle down today.


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