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thats just me being stupid, dont hold a ****in grudge jonbymustbang
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I don't trust Bact at all, and the constant attempts to make Weiss and Syn look evil is not helping. He uses 'anti-town' as a justification because they made generalizations of people in the game not playing well. I'd also like to point out that Syn has viewed the thread and not said a single word, which I find quite odd considering he is a very vocal player that would respond to bact's snide and fairly unlogical comment.
Also, since we're talking about recruits, what pokemon move would recruit someone? Also I can definitely confirm attacking Bact dealt 4 damage to me, and he could still be a Sharpedo, since we don't entirely know that he's a ferrothorn just because of rough skin/iron barbs. |
I can't poison anyone. If I get killed as an innocent again...smh.
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We've all been killed at least once being innocent.
And no one's going to just "take your word" for it. If you keep acting like this, I think you should figure out if mafia is the game for you. |
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Looks like someone might have used a one-time heal on desinishon? The heal is pink though instead of green so that's kind of weird.
EDIT: I'll crunch numbers tomorrow and see how much damage he took previously. Pretty sure it was at least 66 though. |
Someone evolved and got a stat boost.
I think. |
I'd like to point out that Syn liked my post, so he IS WATCHING THE THREAD AND READING but hasn't posted?
Maybe someone silenced him? I think that a sleep-inducing move could function as something like that Silencing someone who's been called anti-town and scum makes for a very easy lynch.... |
People with FOS's on them: faer, Cheshire Cat, Wiicked, Ice Goddess, Syndrome, Ullion
Just a start. |
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Really tho, I applaud you. |
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Your complete trust in Bact/Chesire Cat (who is not a confirmed inno tyvm) is very close in relation to your complete trust in your mafia partner Nimsy from R&M. You do not even consider the possibility that Bact is scum but instead provide niche reverse psychology tactics thinking that I would make a play so unnecessarily elaborate just to incriminate a random player. Now you have me thinking that not only do you not know how to mix up your playstyle - or at least make it look like you're thinking in a more rational sense, but also have me thinking that you're scum. Two can play that niche tactic game. I'm thinking that you are mafia partners with Bact and when the Rockets decided to silence Syndrome you'd have this argument ready so you could incriminate one of the attentive players that called out Syndrome's silence and related it to Bact's dead-set goal on killing Syndrome. |
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In a game with limited HP, each mafia member will want as much HP as possible, making it an extremely risky and bad move to attack another member - especially for as much as 7 damage, which is a considerable amount to hit someone with. If you knew how I played as mafia, or even tried to understand how I played, then you would know that I never make such dumb risks just to 'look inno'. EDIT: Especially if the plays involve sacrificing me, the only time I ever did such a thing was in Grandmafia, and I did that simply because the game was lacking action and I felt the need to spice it up a bit. Silencing someone who can turn a lynch as well as Syndrome would be a silly play if Syn was mafia. |
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jesus just attack each other and get it over with.
as for me I'll [attack] universe |
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Also, you don't need to blatantly say you trust someone in order to show that you're agreeing with them and not thinking suspiciously of them. My strong points about their innocence is that I know how to read players. Lynch both if you want, I invited you to do so last phase. Just know that when "Syndrome is an explorer" and "Ice Goddess is an explorer" pop up, I'll be there saying I told you so. Did I ever mention how the phrase anti-town is annoying and doesn't make sense at all? You're obviously not calling them scum but the way it's worded and used makes it sound like you're trying to lynch a town member simply because they aren't being productive. |
I think we've had that Michael Jackson popcorn gif posted 3 times so far. Gosh what a game it has been.
I'm just going to roll with Nimsy's reasoning here and [attack] Wiicked. I'm still poisoned too, so there's also that ;w; |
So basically the scenario we have here is Golgari/Syndrome/Ice Goddess vs. Cheshire Cat/JohnnyMustang, in a sense.
Why don't we just kill them all and let Arceus sort 'em out? Joking, but there's some clear lines getting drawn among these guys. Syn and Weiss have not spoken this phase, either meaning silenced or a plot. Not sure really though. Could go either way. |
I don't think Weiss is online, so we can't really assume he's been silenced or anything of the sort yet. Syn however, is probably silenced.
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I'm certain syn is silenced.
And I'm definitely leaning towards doof's side. |
So, I've mentioned everything about my role in this game previously; but since I'm being asked about I'll list everything out again. :)
I am Ariados, a Poison/Bug type. My day attack is Constrict (1 damage) and my night attack is Night Shade (9 damage). As far as I know, I outted my own night ability on day 2, to clear up the question as to where a single-source of 9 damage was coming from each night. As far as I know, I haven't tried to hide any of this information. Since my night action is an actual attack (night shade), I do not possess the ability to poison any players (by visiting them or by being visited). Nor can I do anything else other than attack at both day and night times. My allegiance started (and as of this day phase, still is) with the explorers. As for why Sonata got poisoned when he checked me? It must have been coincidence? Obviously there is no way to prove I can't do both night shade and some poison-inducing attack at night, I would just have to hope you all understand that it would be silly for a a single role to have both actions. And as for getting no result from investigating me? I'm not quite sure on that either, there may be a role-blocker amongst the mafia? I wouldn't find that too farfetch'd (hehe), afterall it is a common mafia role, is it not? If you wish, I can also go back in my PM storage and post all my night-time targets for Night Shade? The only other thing to have happened around me was that I had received a Lum Berry on this night. Again, thank you to whomever had given it to me. :) So I believe I have shared as much as I can about who/what I am and have I have done/received at night. If there is something I have missed and not mentioned, or you're wanting to know more of - then feel free to ask. o.o edit: I would like Cheshire to do a full-reveal (Pokemon, moves, etc.) although he could just as easily lie at this point anyways. But I agree with Klippy saying that there is a definite line drawn between those two parties. And to be quite frank, I don't trust either side too much (not saying I think they're inno or not, I just don't feel inclined to believe what they say). |
His argument is concise and clear.
You've been talking in circles. I tend to not trust people that talk in circles. |
I believe bact to be the more suspect of the two. If we kill him and find that he's inno then that we'll hit doof the next time.
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Example: Block = roleblock So, if we can't find a move or item that relates to recruiting (the reason I don't do it myself is because I don't think that there is a recruiting action in this game), then there can't be a recruiting action. And yes I am siding with Syn and Weiss because I think they're inno... I don't know why you think that's something to act weird about with the 'my, my' for dramatic effect... And I'm saying you shouldn't post an idea if you're going to abandon it when someone asks you to elaborate on how such idea could be possible because that is doing exactly what you're accusing me, weiss, and syn of doing, distracting the town. Posting random ideas and doing nothing with it is a waste of everyone's time, which according to you wasting inno's time is 'anti-town'. Quote:
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I think that the word anti-town deserves a special post.
IF THEY ARE UNCOOPERATIVE, CALL THEM SO. IF THEY ARE RUDE, CALL THEM SO. IF THEY ARE NOT HELPING, SAY SO. THE PHRASE ANTI-TOWN IS VAGUE AND DOESN'T REALLY GET THE POINT ACROSS. PLEASE STOP USING IT. thanks~ |
Understanding how people play is very important.
You've just been saying, syn and ice are bad because they were "uncooperative" and doof is bad because he's refuting your points. Also you've been asking people to "elaborate" when your "elaboration" for syn and ice being "anti-town" is weak at best. I don't trust you in the slightest. |
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He was right. Your Fos has also fallen on me for acting different. Understanding players can be vital. |
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Mine actually is logical and involves using game mechanics to prove if something can happen or not. Also thanks for not allowing me to refute your posts by quoting you since you just bolded your points in my quote. I guess I can't elaborate and disagree with the almighty chesire cat anymore. |
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Your rebuttal for the recruitment debate is what is lacking.
If you can come up with a logical, pokemon related reason it would be solved. Why not reference the recruitment system in the pmd series? Or think of a move that could recruit. |
The previous day was too much shitposting and tldr, so I only read the posts that actually seemed to carry some length and logic to them.
Either way, the word is confusing and annoying and there are more specific words to use that make it easier to understand |
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I haven't used letters inside of quotes because I actually want you to provide reasoning for why you think I'm wrong. I want to win this game. I want to get an understanding of everything in the game so I can place the town along with myself in a better position to win. |
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****ING FINALLY WAS THAT SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD?! we should consider the possibility that Team Aqua could gain in size, since they are trying to cover the world in water, converting pokemon to water type makes complete sense. |
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Mr. Sharpedo. |
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That also means Fletch is lying :) |
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Fletch's destiny bond is roleblocked... right?
That means his death should take priority over Bact's |
WE HAVE A WINRAR!!
The debate is settled. |
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Okay, I just read what is arguably the longest salt war ever seen in mafia. Firstly, I'm going to point out that Weiss and Syn are not playing any differently than usual - bar Syn's sudden lack of posting which indicated he's been silenced (sleep?).
Second, I don't think anyone was being serious abut the gen 4 thing, but just in case anyone actually thinks that I'm going to point out that we're borrowing mechanics and plot devices from all over the place. This game obviously takes place outside the established game canon etc. Third, we should not be killing Fletch. We can use his Destiny Bond to take out an enemy legendary with ease and unless I've missed something he's still yet to do anything even remotely suspicious. Fourth, what's with the mini-wagon on Universe? Fifth, nobody else attack JD so we can verify Mana's healer claim. Now that's out of the way [Attack] Cheshire Cat He can argue that he's innocent all he wants but he very obviously changed his play style after we pointed out that he was being quiet, which he usually is as a mafia player. On the off chance that he is innocent, we know who to go after next. |
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Just because it isn't canon doesn't mean it can't take place before 5th and 6th gen x: |
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3th 3th 3th lol, I had to. |
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edit: Also Fletch's destiny bond reminds me of one of the "bomb" roles that were used in older games by the mafia faction. I believe GP had this in Blarzi1, where Klippy was said mafia-aligned bomb. Where he picked someone at night, and if he died, so did that other person? So let's not jump to conclusions saying Destiny Bond is aligned one way or the other specifically. I think this point is still up in the air. |
Actually, that could be, guys, the only confirmed legendary we know is Desi, who is a Dialga, a Gen 4 Pokemon. Tbh, im leaning with the whole Gen 4 canon theory.
Also, I'm really positive that Syn got silenced. Syn, if you see this, can you like this post and confirm it to everyone? I dont know if thats cheating or what :x But I do think Bac is really fishy. Would vote for him but I'll wait for people telling me to vote for him. |
actually he liked my post above... unless he's lying and just not posting, but i doubt he'll do that on purpose :x
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That war was awesome. Based on all that I've read so far, currently my attention is still on Ullion after aeternum mentioned being poisoned upon visiting him and failing the alignment reading. To me that doesn't sound like town behavior and I don't like it.
Edit: On second thought, I'm going to hold my vote and let you talk. |
Syn is a vocal player, he wouldn't just not post
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I mean, obviously Sonata being poisoned on the night he visited me sounds fishy. But how could I have two separate night abilities? Also, if you think I poison people when I'm visited - then instead of voting for me instantly, why not ask publicly for other people to claim if they got poisoned on the night they visited me or not? Tbh, I feel like you voting for me this quickly is a bit off. :/ edit: I also posted a long post before explaining everything I can that is in my power to (seeing as how little information I have) if you want to read that. >.> |
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It's also possible that the mafia has an investigative role of their own, possibly can use foresight/detect, so they knew he was a cop role, so they roleblocked him to stop him from checking people, and they poisoned him to kill him. Obviously it's all theorycrafting. And if you really want to attack me, go ahead, but you're killing an inno. :P |
Sorry to say, I'm a Gen 5 Pokemon. Boom goes the dynamite.
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what if jd is a evil healer :OOOO
okay im just shitposting now. welp the gen 4 theory is a bust now :( |
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I did go back and read more of your posts from this thread to refresh my memory and yeah, bad move from me. |
Just so it's out there, Gunner's an Explorer. With all the mistrust and theories floating around I don't know if it's a really bad time for me to say this, but I have a weirdish role where I have 4 one-time abilities instead of a regular NA, and one of them is a one-time investigation. I wish I was actually able to use it to find a bad guy, but I used it on Gunner last night and she's good.
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Junobae i love how you come to defend me and such for my stupid actions and confirm my alignment to everyone, but im not sure what pokemon attacks does that have to do with your description.... elaborate?
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Also, assuming Juno is telling the truth, then sorry Gunner for hitting you tonight. Uuuugh, I have no idea to hit at night. I feel like everyone who has been suss at some point is now likely to be innocent after I hit them ><"" edit: Could Juno possibly be Smeargle and she can copy 4 player's abilities and use them once each? Just a shot in the dark XD |
Does everyone have a role that matches up with a Pokemon attack? I was afraid to reveal for that reason, and also the fact that I'm a Pokemon who's often used by Rocket grunts, so I'm sure someone will try to use that against me.
I'm a Rattata, and my four NA's are labelled "Top Percentage Skills 1, 2, 3, 4" in the role PM. The only thing about my role that has to do with a Pokemon attack is just my regular attack, which is Hyper Fang. I know it sounds really weird compared to everyone else who's revealed so far, but I hope the fact that I've been fairly straightforward about everything (revealed my attack value, didn't hide the berry faer gave me and gave it to jd to cure his poison) makes me credible here. :P |
welp
even if gen 4 is a bust, I find that Bact's silence after viewing the thread and my post to be very alarming. |
So, JD is probably Audino. Interesting.
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actually i'm somewhat convinced at juno's claim... im not sure yet... ALSO GUYS, WHO DO YOU WANT ME TO ATTACK?
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Uhhhh. So I thought there was some chant to kill Rozureido? Do it up folks. Let's see what this bah is.
MAFIA PRANKS GONE SEXUAL |
damn man so much happened when I'm gone. And to clear that +66 heal was not on me. Who the hell poisoned me??
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You guys might want to direct me before I launch my 12 damage and it ends up killing someone innocent. :"
I'm leaning towards Bac right now tho. |
p sure the +66 health was me
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I feel like I just read the same variations of different arguments over like a million pages. After trying to read all that I just agree with what others have side. Both sides are kinda suspicious.
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Well this escalated quickly.
And Cathy whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ;_; |
Hi. Wow I'm still alive. I was expecting to be targeted by everyone in the night.
FWIW, I don't recall actually being helpful (as defined as providing information and discussing) at all this game because I already said I have little information to share. I would also like to point out to those who accused me being "anti-town" that I did not "distract" the town into pointless discussion as it was derailed by other users not named faer. Also the word "uncooperative" is highly subjective and not objective – I personally feel that I'm doing town a favour by not speaking when I have nothing substantial to speak of. And I'd like to point out that faer did not roleclaim until today, which makes everything that was said to me yesterday hypocritical. I'd also like to point out that I merely said that I didn't trust the intelligence of those who were pointing their FoS; I have not bothered to make insults nor do I resort to ad hominem. I am not responsible for how people interpret my posts (as it is, I've had different responses). Just know that you're bound to meet people with strong personalities and opinions and may use words that you aren't used to hearing to get their point across. You can either be mature and ignore them, or try to understand where they are coming from (and why they seem rude or aggressive to you). Or you can make a fuss out of nothing and achieve nothing with your efforts. Anyways, now that I've said my piece, I might as well as add that I am a Kecleon with Psybeam (dealing 7 damage) and that my win condition is to survive (which means I win with *anyone*). Go ahead and attack me if you want. I've had it at this point. Have a nice game. |
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Who are you thinking about d-bonding tonight? Also gunner I don't think rolling on Bact could hurt |
Personally I'd rather make use of your hunter ability
IMO use it on whoever you think is most suss |
You realize ferrothorn has base 100 attack
Edit: bro ferrothorn can't even learn rapid spin |
Not to mention that being a Ferrothorn doesn't say anything about your allegiance anyway.
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[Attack] Cheshire Cat
Going with my gut on this one after seeing everything I've seen. |
[Attack] Ice Goddess
Sorry man It's just random. |
With everything that has just happened, you "random vote".
You've got to be kidding me. |
And it doesn't seem that random given the person you voted for was on involved (or at least the focus of some of) the arguing that's been happening.
This throws suspicion on desinishon too, imo. |
Stop bringing up irrelevant things.
You can't change your vote in this game. |
Sorry ALMIGHTY Nimsy.
I'm annoying you don't I. Edit : Oh! Daydream so here is the thing First I make a list of suspicious people so far and give each of them a no. and then I click on a app named Random no. generator so I generate a number . which is of ice goddess. As for suspicion thing at least I prove to everyone that I am dialga , is there any proof you give everyone that you are the pokemon you claim. ( I am going to sleep so plz don't ask any other question . ) |
Just want to get this out there: but does anyone have a good target for me to hit tonight? And please no one say Bact, I don't want to take 8 night damage. T_T I mean, it's a good way to test to see what he says is true or not, though. But I don't have the greatest HP, especially since I've been chipped at a bit.
Also, I don't know if Lycan can answer this, so we may need to test this buuut: If Bact really is Sharpedo and has rough skin, then won't he only deal damage back to a player if they use a physical attack? Doof, could you tell us what attack you use? (My apologies ahead of time if you've already stated the name of your attack and I missed it) Although I am kind of thinking it is any attack he reflects anyways, since (afaik) poison and steel types can still be poisoned, rock/ground/steel types still get hit by sandstorm, etc. But if turns out that only physical attacks can be punished, then we can have our special attackers hit Bact during the day. *If we want to follow through with killing him to see if he is inno or not |
It might go by gen 1 rules.
So there might not be physical or special attacks, just attacks. |
I doubt there's a specified Special/Physical split, tbh. Seems like it would be one mechanic too far.
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I don't like this plan. If Cheshire's inno we're gonna end up with a lot of extra damage and that's stupid.
Don't you think it'd be smarter to investigate him instead of hurting yourselves with every hit based on a hunch you're making? Doesn't that just play into what the mafia wants anyway? |
Wow what happened today is...wow.
Okay so, Bac is definitely suspicious as hell and I want to attack him but I don't want to lose anymore HP since I already lost about 30 I think. And BTW I can claim whenever you guys want, just tell me when. |
If we don't want to get damaged attacking bac. . . why don't we just have fletch use destiny bond on him?
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No go. We need to be sure. |
To be fair, we're probably never going to be sure about anything.
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Day 1 vs. KetsuiekiR: -4 (Universe), -4 (Wiicked), -8 (Klippy), -12 (Daydream) Day 2 vs. Draskk: -5 (gimmepie), -5 (faer), -4 (Wiicked), -10 (TheCapsFan), -12 (Daydream) Day 3 vs. Draskk: -5 (Sandstorm), -2 (Bardothren), -7 (Syndrome), -3 (aeternum), -1 (Ullion), -10 (TheCapsFan), -7 (gimmepie), -12 (Daydream) Day 4 vs. desinishon: -5 (Sandstorm), -2 (Bardothren), -7 (Syndrome), -3 (aeternum), -1 (Ullion), -10 (TheCapsFan), -7 (gimmepie), -12 (Daydream) Day 5 vs. Ice Goddess (though the damage count here is 8 points higher than it should be, still figuring this one out): -12 (Daydream), -3 (aeternum), -1 (Sopheria), -1 (Ullion), -7 (txteclipse), -5 (faer) Feel free to correct me on these or add details, especially with that last one. Not saying these are 100% since some people's attacks seem to do variable damage (wtf Klippy?), but this is one of the more consistent damage values I've been seeing. |
Klippy's variable attack makes some sense when you note the claim that him and Milotic have.
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EDIT: Klippy and Milotic claim to be Plusle and Minun, so using Helping Hand makes a lot of sense for their pokemon imo |
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Attacking Johnny just for saying that?
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Personally I think Bact is bluffing about taking 3 days to die so that we feel less inclined to attack him, but that could absolutely be wrong |
Probably bluffing yes, but I'd rather be certain before we potentially kill two allies with one stone :L.
Lay off Rozu and Cheshire, I would say Johnny or Daydream (if txt's maths is right?) are good targets to whittle down today. |
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