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Dragon January 1st, 2016 5:23 AM

Majestic Milotics II
 
Hey there Milotics, this is our official clan HQ! Before we get into it, please fill out this form, just to get an idea about your strengths and weaknesses:

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[b]Do any of your details need changing in the below member list?[/b]
[b]Do you play any formats besides OU?[/b]
[b]Do you have any goals for this season?[/b] (things to improve upon)


Members:
  • Dragon [bellossom, Kou Noodles, Lailah-tan] [GMT -5]
  • aeternum [O'aka XXIII] [GMT -4]
  • Void. [Void] [GMT 0]
  • gimmepie [gimmepie] [GMT +8]
  • Noa [Noa Noodles, Noa-tan] [GMT -8]
  • Evening [Sandwich King] [GMT +8]

noa January 1st, 2016 8:56 PM

Do any of your details need changing in the below member list? Nope.
Do you play any formats besides OU? I am most confident in NU, I also play Ubers.
Do you have any goals for this season? (things to improve upon) To actually figure my way around OU, I'd really like to become a better OU player so I can keep up with everyone else!!

Sonata January 2nd, 2016 11:30 PM

Do any of your details need changing in the below member list? nope
Do you play any formats besides OU? I do UU and Monotype every now and then
Do you have any goals for this season? (things to improve upon) Not making stupid plays, taking a step back and not feeling like I have to rush through battles since that's where most of my mistakes are made. also need to work on not making teams with shitty sets.

Evening January 3rd, 2016 4:26 AM

Do any of your details need changing in the below member list? My PS username is Sandwich King.
Do you play any formats besides OU? Not yet, but I'm working on it.
Do you have any goals for this season? Get better. That's all.

Banish Sarmah January 4th, 2016 12:44 AM

i am a rokie so i am working in it

Anti January 8th, 2016 4:51 AM

sup majestic milotics, y'all are up for botw so i posted some stuff in this post about it. check it out and good luck!

gimmepie January 14th, 2016 5:10 PM

Do any of your details need changing in the below member list? Nope
Do you play any formats besides OU? Monotype somewhat often and I'm thinking of trying Ubers.
Do you have any goals for this season? Winning more often? xD

Sonata February 18th, 2016 7:42 PM

for the teambuilding competition we should make a team based around a special attacking blissey

I think it'd be fun to build a team around mega houndoom, Milotic or mega swampert.

gimmepie February 18th, 2016 8:13 PM

How about a rain team then?

Void. February 18th, 2016 10:40 PM

I had a mega swampert rain team that got quite a lot of wins last PCL and in tours on smogon, but overall rain can be kinda eh, some matchups make it impossible to win with it and there isn't really that much variation you can have with them. Mega houndoom sounds cooler imo, or even something like mega aerodactyl.

gimmepie February 18th, 2016 11:18 PM

Mega-houndoom is too loaded with weaknesses, at least mega-aerodactyl has a ground immunity. So if we're picking an interesting mega as our centrepiece I'd rather not use houndoom.

Sonata February 19th, 2016 12:09 AM

If not m-swampert then what about a m-gallade instead?

gimmepie February 19th, 2016 1:02 AM

Mega-Gallade's been pretty potent in my rather limited experiences with it.

Void. February 19th, 2016 4:08 AM

I dunno, I'm actually a pretty big fan of mega houndoom in OU, great speed tier and power, plus it switches in for free on stuff like mega sableye and really punishes those fat bulky teams. In terms of typing, the dark and ghost resist is quite rare tbh and really nice to have. In comparison, I find mega gallade kind of lacklustre, it struggles with the common defensive mons in the tier and has pretty bad 4mss, lando-t and slowbro are so common and it only has 1 slot for either knock off or ice punch (even with knock off you're not beating mega bro anyway). Of course, sableye hard walls it no matter what too. That's just my opinion though, if every else is on board with mega gallade we can still go with that I guess.

On another note, do we have to keep this team discussion on this thread? I feel like doing this on skype or anything with an instant message/live chat kinda thing would be way better, it's difficult to get a proper teambuilding discussion going on a forum.

gimmepie February 19th, 2016 7:04 PM

I'd be up for taking it to Skype if the others would prefer to do so. Anyway you raise good points as far as Mega-Gallade. Mega-Houndoom still doesn't do it for me though, Ground and Fighting practically run the meta and both are widespread as coverage moves.

Houndoom might get Solarbeam and Thunder Fang for dealing with water-types at least but without either dedicating a slot to Sunny Day or running Ninetales Solarbeam is just handing a free switch to your opponent whilst it bulky water-types will swallow T-Fang easily due to Houndoom's lacklustre physical attack. Basically, Houndoom has all the same problems as Gallade. As far as fire-types go Heatran and the Zards and probably even Infernape and Moltres would be better options.

On that note, I'd like to propose Charizard-Y as a potential option. Everyone always expects X, so it would be an interesting way to catch the opponent off-guard. Plus it has drought/solarbeam built in and an immunity to those pesky ground types. Stealth Rock poses something of an issue there though so we'd need good support.

Sonata February 19th, 2016 11:34 PM

so if we went with houndoom we'd be running a weavile and t-flame, maybe solarbeam heatran and then have to use two pokemon able to sunny day to make it worth our while. so if heatran was using sday then it would be something like sbeam, sday, magma storm, rocks with a power herb or balloon. then we'd use something else that can sday like clefable, klefki or maybe even serperior.

and then there's zard y

gimmepie February 19th, 2016 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeternum (Post 9126257)
so if we went with houndoom we'd be running a weavile and t-flame, maybe solarbeam heatran and then have to use two pokemon able to sunny day to make it worth our while. so if heatran was using sday then it would be something like sbeam, sday, magma storm, rocks with a power herb or balloon. then we'd use something else that can sday like clefable, klefki or maybe even serperior.

and then there's zard y

Yes, definitely too much support needs to go into Houndoom.

What about Zard Y? lol

Sonata February 19th, 2016 11:58 PM

its zard y.

Void. February 20th, 2016 6:16 AM

Don't think we're on the same page here, I'm talking about nasty plot/fire blast/dark pulse houndoom with sludge bomb, taunt or wisp in the last slot. Just because it gets solar power as an ability doesn't mean you need to be running a sunny day set.

zard y is always a nice balance breaker.

Sonata February 20th, 2016 6:52 PM

No you don't have to, but you should or else you're not really using the mon to its fullest potential. We could just do Zard y though I guess. I'd still like to get the other members' inputs too


Dragon February 20th, 2016 10:34 PM

I do love Zard-Y as it's a fantastic wallbreaker, though in turn, I find Mega-houndoom kinda.. tough to build around.

If I had to choose one it'd be the former, I suppose, unless you guys have very nice team ideas for one.

Sonata February 20th, 2016 11:23 PM

Houndoom @ Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Dark Pulse
- Sludge Bomb

Heatran @ Power Herb
Ability: Flash Fire
- Stealth Rock
- Solar Beam
- Magma Storm
- Sunny Day

Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Flame Body
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Tailwind

Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
- Knock Off
- Icicle Crash
- Ice Shard
- Poison Jab

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Explosion
- U-turn

or

Garchomp @ Salac Berry
Ability: Rough Skin
- Sunny Day
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Toxic

if we ran garchomp we could remove heatran (put rocks on it) and put another more useful mon in there like rotom and then still use lati for defog. other than that i think(?) everything is covered and can be beaten if played right. idk.

gimmepie February 21st, 2016 1:07 AM

If we do that though Starmie, Keldeo and Landorus will rip through us.

Sonata February 21st, 2016 1:29 AM

Rotom w deals with all 3. Tflame takes care of keldeo. Then weavile and rotom take care of lado.

gimmepie February 21st, 2016 2:49 AM

I worry though that we're playing the "nothing can faint" game with that team. It looks to me that the minute a single pokemon faints its game over.

Void. February 21st, 2016 3:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeternum (Post 9127414)
No you don't have to, but you should or else you're not really using the mon to its fullest potential. We could just do Zard y though I guess. I'd still like to get the other members' inputs too

If you have to run so much support that your team ends up being a really bad sunny day spam kind of team just so it can be used to it's 'fullest potential', how is that worthwhile? Without sun, it's still a mon with base 140 SpA and base 115 speed and access to Nasty Plot. Is using Manaphy on a non-rain team also a no for you, because that's not using it to it's 'fullest potential'?

Sonata February 21st, 2016 12:07 PM

Theres a difference between abilities. And with the team I'm thinking of, garchomp would be the only one using sunny day and it would be pretty much the last thing it did. If it gets it off then great if not then like you said, Houndoom is still a pretty decent mon. Just like if talonflame can get off a tailwind before it died that'd be great, but if not Houndoom is still pretty good. And so long as you don't play haphazardly you shouldn't be worried about losing the game with the death of one mon. Houndoom, garchomp, tflame, rotom-w, weavile and starmie or lati shouldn't be scary or leave a lot of room for worry. But anyways, let's see some more options.

gimmepie February 21st, 2016 8:34 PM

So, since this is just a team building thing and not a battle I don't feel so terrible for suggesting this lol. What about a team with an emphasis on shutting down the opponents momentum and sweepers or that can whittle stall down?

I was just randomly talking with Sopheria and a team like this ended up popping up

Jirachi | Togekiss | Thundurus | Heatran | Latios | M-Gyarados

Edit: I ended up making it lol, thoughts?

Spoiler:
Thundurus (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Nasty Plot

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 4 SpD / 176 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Roost
- Nasty Plot
- Air Slash

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Heart Stamp
- U-turn
- Healing Wish

Heatran @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 192 SpD / 68 Spe
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Stone Edge
- Stealth Rock
- Flash Cannon

Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Defog
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Crunch
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake

Sonata February 21st, 2016 11:20 PM

Quote:

The goal is obviously to make the most viable team possible that can have success in the OU metagame. After all of the teams are submitted, they will go through a series of test battles and Anti will judge the teams based on viability, creativity, synergy, and overall functionality.
Quote:

Don't be afraid to break-the-meta! Don't build a generic cookie cutter team. A Landorus, Keldeo, Serperior, Clefable core is boring! Take a risk and build something interesting.
It's a pretty common average team.

gimmepie February 22nd, 2016 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeternum (Post 9128943)
It's a pretty common average team.

Fair enough, I'm just spit-balling.

Sonata February 22nd, 2016 12:22 AM

I'm in the middle of testing the team i mentioned. I've done about 15 battles and have lost 4 of them due to rng mostly. One time I got destroyed by sand rush team but that's the only thing that's been a big deal. I'm going to try and change up m-hound's stats and see if it fares better another way and then post up some replays to get a feel for it in action. It does lack a fighting type at the moment which I do need to fix.

edit: heres the 'final' team

Houndoom @ Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 40 HP / 8 Def / 208 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Dark Pulse
- Sludge Bomb

Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Tailwind

Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Icicle Crash
- Ice Shard
- Poison Jab

Garchomp @ Salac Berry
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 12 HP / 244 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Toxic

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split

Scizor @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 60 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- Defog
- Superpower
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn

switched out latias for Scizor and got a little higher. I've used tailwind twice, both times against a landorus. very helpful. im not the best at battling, but i got up around to 1500 last night before i fell asleep. the team works, you just have to play it right. the loss of lati on the team means that weavile and talonflame dont have as many opportunities to tear through or wear things down. but it gives a fighting type move which was much needed on the team. im also missing a grass type move but theres not much i can do about that without changing a whole lot about the team. hp grass on houndoom is quite ineffective. you might try it out and see what you can do and what you can change about it to make it better. its a good team regardless, this is further than ive made it with most of my other teams anyways.

a few stupid things that came up as problematic are the fact that everyone loves choice scarf. and then the random mono ghost team has outplayed me a couple of times. other than that ive not really had a problem. i just had to play a little smarter than i usually do to get anywhere. its definitely not a team that you can just throw something out without giving it any thought. weavile and tflame do their job of tearing through a lot of things while everything else wears it down, and then mhoundoom comes out on the random zard y or other sunny day user and pays his dues. to really take anything out with it though you have to use a tailwind since theres a lot it cant outspeed, and then nasty plot once or twice.

i really am not a fan of rotom, so if theres anything that could fill its place better then id be all for that. but its not doing the worst of jobs right now. and garchomp needs a different item since it gets outsped by almost everything ive sent it in on anyways.

gimmepie February 23rd, 2016 12:14 AM

If you're determined to use that team (and having battled against it, it is quite good) I would suggest maybe just going straight for your typical bulky helmet Garchomp? I think keeping Rotom is a good thing though, it's another pokemon that can easily come in on an EQ or T-Wave and then shut down the offender with will-o-wisp or force the switch.

gimmepie March 14th, 2016 8:22 PM

So, what's happening with this team building thing and whatnot?

Sonata March 14th, 2016 9:47 PM

Well since nobody has really said anything otherwise, I guess we'll just run with that team? There are a few days left if anyone wants to throw up something else but we've been dead for a while so.

Spoiler:
Houndoom @ Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 40 HP / 8 Def / 208 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Dark Pulse
- Sludge Bomb

Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Tailwind

Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Icicle Crash
- Ice Shard
- Poison Jab

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 12 HP / 244 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Stone Edge

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split

Scizor @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 60 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- Defog
- Superpower
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn

gimmepie March 14th, 2016 10:01 PM

I'm pretty happy with that team.

ddrox13 March 17th, 2016 2:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf (Post 9166927)
Some new clan openings. :)

You're replacing Void. in Majestic Milotics for inactivity reasons. Good luck!

Well hey guys!

Do any of your details need changing in the below member list? I'm ddrox13 on here and the Battle Server (and on Skype if that is relevant), and my timezone is UTC-4 due to Daylight Savings being in effect.
Do you play any formats besides OU? I certainly can play UU, Monotype, VGC, and BH, but can learn anything not named Ubers pretty quick. Screw Ubers.
Do you have any goals for this season? Stop sucking, learn how to beat Talonflame and M-Sabelye, etc.

Sadly, this couldn't have come at a more inconvenient time, as I'll have to take a LoA from Wednesday-Sunday next week due to vacation. I'll still check the forum on my phone, but I won't be on the battle server.

That team looks really cool.

gimmepie March 17th, 2016 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddrox13 (Post 9168405)
Well hey guys!

Do any of your details need changing in the below member list? I'm ddrox13 on here and the Battle Server (and on Skype if that is relevant), and my timezone is UTC-4 due to Daylight Savings being in effect.
Do you play any formats besides OU? I certainly can play UU, Monotype, VGC, and BH, but can learn anything not named Ubers pretty quick. Screw Ubers.
Do you have any goals for this season? Stop sucking, learn how to beat Talonflame and M-Sabelye, etc.

Sadly, this couldn't have come at a more inconvenient time, as I'll have to take a LoA from Wednesday-Sunday next week due to vacation. I'll still check the forum on my phone, but I won't be on the battle server.

That team looks really cool.

Welcome to the winning team ;)

PS. Slowbrow walls the living shit out of Talon and M-Sableye dies to fairies.


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