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I have noticed just how similar Gen 1 and Gen 6 are
1.Y is Red with X being blue and it carries on into the remakes which funny enough are remakes of games that had remakes of Gen 1 during it's time 2.Kalos and Kanto have the same number of letters in the name plus both start with KA. 3.Both have a mysterious dungeon with Mewtwo. 4.Prof. gives you Charmander,Sqauirtle and Bulbasaur. Does this mean much? Maybe not but considering Gen 1 is 20 this year I kinda am hoping the new game has Kanto involved. Would be interesting to have Kanto has a second region like in Gen 2 this would allow for some interesting post game if they base it years into the future like it seems Gen 6 is. (Around 10 or so) That or heck an adventure in Kanto. Mewtwo was man made and Cinnabar island was destroyed so it would make for an interesting plot of the bad person in the new game had ties to Kanto and was the one who created it for Team Rocket (or whoever Mewtwo was made for in the game) and came back to try making ore man made pokemon. Maybe involve Zygarde somehow? Like giving man made pokemon actually Zygarde cells? I doubt the anime is using the plot of the new games as of now. While things do appear in the anime before the games it is pokemon and not story lines which makes me think the season 19 plot won't be the game plot. Would be let down if it was for a lot of people. Though The N arc of BW was really hardly anything like the Gen V games. (Took aspects of it but was different) so not sure how many people expect the same exact plot from the anime to be the 2016 game |
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I dunno if AZ would have created Magiana. It's kinda sad to think maybe he made it to kind of "fill the void" left by Floette's departure, but I think by then he definitely learned his lesson about messing with the reanimation of life (as in, "don't do it").
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I'd like it if another region was involved in the upcoming game, but feel like if it was Kanto/Johto there would be complaints from some that the other one of those 2 wasn't involved as we know they are so close. It wouldn't be Hoenn as we just had ORAS which leaves Sinnoh and Unova as candidates. |
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Also here is my theory. It's very long, and I don't know how likely it is, but I think it's worth sharing: AZ was once a powerful ruler of Kalos. However when the Kalos war broke out 3,000 years ago, he began to change. He wanted to save floette after the war killed it. I believe AZ ruled many lands in Kalos. I think we will learn that the war was started by another rule trying to take over Kalos. As King, AZ participated in the war, as in ancient times this wasn't to uncommon. Which reminds me, The ultimate weapon killed a lot of pokemon, enough to make Floette sad and leave. How many did it kill? I have to imagine that a war fought by giant monsters and humans would be enough power to destroy the earth as pokemon like Gyrados and tyranitar could destroy entire cities. Let alone any megas at the time... So how powerful was this weapon? It must have been just as, if not more destructive then the war itself..... Which is pretty insane if you think about it. Moving on, I believe AZOTH was the main civilization that AZ had conquered. It was probably A strategic city to own. Perhaps it was massive like Luminous City? From this City, AZ ruled. I also think this is why it's called Azoth. It be named after him, much like Alexandria was named after Alexander the Great. IT could be a real life comparison by GF. In this city, volcanion lived, because as we've seen in the anime movies and games, legendaries lived with ancient humans. By the time AZ takes over AZOTH, floette is dead, and he plans to build the ultimate weapon to resurrect it. Azoth is built as a technological advancement. It has stempunk like tech as we've been hinted at. As part of this theory, I should mention, that based on the games, I am thinking and Hoenn were once connected to Kalos. Moving on... As AZ builds the ultimate weapon, he is unsure if it will work Using the corpses of pokemon his soldiers bring back from the fighting grounds. For this theory, I predict that AZOTH is in the southeast portion of Kalos. Why? Well currently in the anime, Ash and co are on their way to Snowbelle. This movie takes place at the same time. Volcanion is heading to Azoth to save magianna, but ends up dragging Ash with it. Volcanion lives in mountains, and to the South East of Kalos, there seems to be a lot of them. Plus a place this could easily work in a mountain, or almost badlands setting. Also there is no place for it where the kalos map is now, but it clearly will be important, so it being in the south makes sense. Moving on.... After enough pokemon were sacrificed, AZ tests the device out on an old lifeless robot that was lying around. IT works and brings Magianna to life. Magianna is confused on what life is and is brought to life in the middle of the war.. Perhaps he also managed to Create regigias somehow, who then pushed the continents away, separating Kalos and Hoenn? And eventually created the regis Seeing his idea worked, Az brings floette back to life. But the war and everything else gets to him... He finds a way to rework the life saving device into one that ends lives. The device kills more people and pokemon, and ends the war. However firing that beam released the energy that causes primal evolution. Magianna somehow will use this energy and cause volcanion to use primal reversion. Perhaps magianna actually holds part of the ultimate weapon in it, and if something happens to it, it could end up killing many people. Volcanion will want to stop it's kidnappers from harassing this power in the movie. After firing the ultimate weapon, not only did it release the energy that can cause primal reversion, but it also gave AZ immortality since he was so close to the firing range. Or maybe Magianna somehow became the reason. The blasts also destroys the Azoth kingdom. However left confused and by itself, Magianna ends up staying in the kingdom, and becomes friends with volcanion. Due to the actions they both witness, they isolated themselves and avoid the human race. As the years go by, AZ wanders Kalos alone, saddened by his actions and the loss of his beloved floette. Until the events of XY, I also think that Magma and Aqua knew about the Azoth kingdom but not magianna. I believe that due to the state he was in at the time, AZ would neglect magianna as his focus was on Floette, and even in his sadness, he ignores it. Az would the go back to the kingdom in Z and apologize and state how you would be better at owning it maybe. Although it's a mythical pokemon so maybe we won't see it in game at all, but after deoxys, it's possible. In Z, maybe we go to Azoth and learn that the machine actually created a new type,by causing it's energy to bring things like magianna to life. This could lead into my theory of a new type, the machine, or man made type. It would apply to manmade pokemon, and maybe we could see that there are steampunk or self aware objects that became pokemon as a result of the machine's energy. This could all take place in Z. Maybe southern Kalos is opened up after the mountains mysteriously get leveled and the region is accessible by land. As we go along we could get into Episode V, a plot that revolves around volcanion being the reason the south is accessible, and end to the AZ/Team Flare story, and the discovery of magianna and learning more about how the world changed recently. I also wouldn't be surprised if the story takes a new turn before the end of the game, and a war is about to happen that would be catastrophic. Perhaps Malva now leading Neo team Flare, could find a way to obtain the ultimate weapon, and a war is waged. You have to stop them from activating the weapon again and perhaps in them reactivating it, we learn lysandre was alive and immortal. Bit of a stretch for this last part but who knows. I do think we could see a theme of man vs machine for the game, and I do think we will go to Hoenn in HGSS style, not much story for it( maybe it ties into the V episode or Z episode, whichever) but more challenging and the battle frontier could return as well. |
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I guess we just need to wait for maybe a Direct or Masuda to drop a bomb. I do have a feeling something will be said next week. Maybe not so much the new game as much as a hint towards the future. Like if the USA YT uploads a video showing the new pokemon I expect that to shed light. Like if they say a "new Pokemon" we know new pokemon are coming but if they say new form we know a form change is coming. Though I am leaning towards full on new since they gave it a name and they just give the forms names but say the pokemon. Like %50 Zygarde. Though the ORAS reveal literally was pulled out of thin air. no build up or anything it was just uploaded and boom! |
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Though things are going like the way I planned in early 2014. New gen-2013,remakes-2014 nothing-2015 All out anniversary game-2016. So far I have been right and would love a great game for 2016. However as you said it is best to keep hopes low. We should find out by e3. |
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Aside from that though it's an interesting theory. Unfortunately we probably won't get anything like that and will probably just get a rehashed Team Flare plot with few changes. I don't have faith in Game Freak's storytelling abilities right now. |
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So with that in mind, a few changes: Magianna was created with energy leftover from the ultimate weapon. Not by AZ, but by the descendants of people of AZOTH. They create Magianna as a vessel essential. Using the ultimate weapon's energy, magianni is created to contain/or balance primal volcanion( who I think is guaranteed at this point), who is caused to primal revert uncontrollably by the strange device mentioned by the movie description. In the past, maybe primal volcanion managed to destroy Azoth, when it went into primal form, but a few that were leftover created magianna as a way to stop this power. Perhaps volcanion couldn't control it, but magianna was made to help it? Eventually time moves on and the ruins of Azoth are left untouched, and then evetually it's just volcanion and magianna in Azoth until the people in the movie find them and capture magianna. As for the powering of the weapon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CneQ-QnwdSc the wording makes it sound like they used pokemon to power it, and then he used that same power to completely wipe out the remaining ones in the war after floette is revived. But it could go either way. And yeah it probably won't happen, but I found it interesting and fun to make anyway! |
@ Zoroarkrules. I don't think there's a link between the Project and this anime town. Recall, in the Games the project was developed by Maxie/Archie (perhaps during their time in the same team), it's purpose was to change the face of the earth and take back the world to a primal stage in order to rebuild a better one. That plan wasn't very different from Lysander's but it's possible that Lysander heard of the plan much in the same way Ghetsis knows of Rocket and Galactic.
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So it is possible that they are connected. Primal reversion could relate back to this place. Also it's worth noting that they seem to want the anime and games to be canon based on the Allan reference. This movie could very well showcase this off a bit. |
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Or maybe Z will be like Yellow. Yellow didn't have any anime locations in it, but it did include Jessie and James.
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Also... 17 years? Have we even HAD a Dark type gym yet? I don't think we've ever had a Poison type gym either. EDIT: wait nevermind forgot about koga and roxie |
They could try doing something similar to the Digimon Story games, if they want to break out of the gym stuff.
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Remember , Few moth ago I myself pointed out that more pokemon beside perfect Zygarde might get reveal in future. |
I actually feel like Heracross' mega-form looks a lot more similar to Kokabuterimon than its original, haha.
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Wow...so many...
Anyways, we should get an official announcement by the 14th as usually the official site usually updates a day before Corocoro comes out officially (well at least it's the 14th in the U.S. at the time). |
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I think he's talking about Magiana. When Zygarde's new Formes debuted in the CoroCoro issue that came out in September, the official Pokémon website in all languages posted the Formes and info about them within a couple days after appearing in CoroCoro. |
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When 'Z' is announced I hope they clear up it's status. |
The thing about the new game is were all expecting a Direct or something to show it but it could be like ORAS which was just a random trailer out of nowhere with no build up. I guess you could say with the Zygarde forms and Gearcina (My english name for it the new 2016 game has had more build up XD Assuming the forms are in the games and all. I would not be shocked if the dog form and perfect cell are forms but if the small ones are viewed as separate pokemon like Mew and Mewtwo. At least for the games. (I am unsure how they are in the anime since I can't stand the subbed
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The small ones are formes too. Btw most likely they'll keep Magiana, GF has said that they like keeping the names of legendaries the same in all languages. |
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This reveal with Magiana wasn't surprising to me in the slightest, tbh. GF has been extremely hush-hush lately so it was just a matter of time before something new was revealed.
Also, it isn't Gen VII, lol. I'm like 99.8% confident of that. We've never had a mythical Pokémon reveal as a teaser for the next gen, and while it isn't explicitly stated I think it's pretty obvious considering its relation to Volcanion. People are theorizing that it's Gen VII but related to Gen VI Pokémon, like Regigigas, but Regigigas was a minor legendary as far as storyline and plot goes. This Pokémon has some kind of direct and close relationship with Volcanion - a Gen VI legendary - and we're due to get Z Version very soon. I can most definitely see something going along the lines of either Volcanion or Magiana being an event needed to access an area/trigger a battle with their counterpart in-game - like the Zoroark event with the legendary dogs and whatever else was in Gen V (I don't remember much of it, tbh). As far as Gen 6.5 is concerned, I'm very doubtful. If anything, we'll just get more Megas for Z Version like what we had with ORAS. We had 28 introduced in XY and 20 introduced in ORAS, that's 48 Megas on top of the 70 Kalos Pokémon - 118 new Pokémon this region. I can easily see them throwing another 20 Megas into the mix when Z Version comes out to bump it up to 138, and calling it a day. |
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Just looking at the map of kalos feels like there's some missing parts..
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I just feel that the fact that the third season of the Kalos series of the anime is called XY&Z it seems obvious to me that there will be a Z coming out. Likely this year. In fact, with the anime continuing in the US on the 20th I think that the end of this month seems like a likely time to announce a new game. Also, Magiana seems to clearly be an Event Legendary to me, just like Volcanion. New pokemon have been introduced before their generation in the anime all over the place (maybe every time) going all the way back to Togepi. And then Marrill, Snubbull, and Donphan being in the first movie. However, pokemon from the next generation have never played a major role in a movie and I don't see that starting now. I feel we'll get Z this year and then a gen 7 as late as 2018. Plus, as has been said before, Kalos has so much potential and much more to offer. It's not going anywhere yet.
I will say that I would love it if gen 7 let go of the formulaic story though. I miss the sheer adventure of gen 1 and 2. I mean, why were you even going on that journey besides mom saying that all little boys leave home? You weren't trying to defeat an evil team (which wasn't attempting to destroy the earth), you weren't trying to be the pokemon league champion. Really the only task you were given was from Professor Oak to fill the pokedex. Also, on that adventure there was some leeway in the order you were able to complete some events to the point where the order of some of those gyms gets muddled up in my mind (basically everything between Lt. Surge and Blaine). I wasn't in a forced stop and go the entire time. It felt like I had some breathing room to explore and adventure. Unfortunately the more intricate story lines have brought with them more linear gameplay (emphasis on more, because it's always been pretty linear) |
I have a feeling that if they do add new areas it'll be in the bottom center of the map, but north of the mountains. That area is pretty empty. It could perhaps also be considered southern Kalos.
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You need to factor in when it began airing (In Japan) and when the game would likely come out. Games tend to come out in the fall with BW 2 being an exception somehow. By the fall the anime would likely be done or nearing the climax of Z so having Z as a game would just seem very odd over something else they could do till Gen 7. Not saying Zygarde can't have focus in then ew game but idk it just is odd timing and I can't see the Z arc lasting pass summer in Japan let alone till Gen 7. Which is making me feel Z is anime only and the new game is something else plot wise. Makes me think the things left untouched in XY were done for a reason and it will be explained in the new game. Maybe the reason the power plant had a locked door was due to a scientist working on a project that ends up being the plot off game 2016. What could this power be? Can you defeat it? Find out next time on Pokemon Z! (sorry I had to do it) |
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Gen 7 for 2018 is good, especially if they are going for Gen 6.5 this time. :D |
I think that we'll get Gen VII next year if my theory of Nintendo pushing GF to make games for the release of the NX (assuming it comes out this year) is wrong. Irc GS and RS came out a year after the GBC and GBA had come out. I think was the same with DP for the DS (though DP were originally suppose to be part of the starting line up with a release date scheduled for 2005).
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Not to mention Lugia.
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This is what I am thinking, although they just went to the 3DS. DS was around for a while though and had like 4 different types before 3DS. They might come out at the same time. My guess, the end of 2017 in October or November. They would probably make a TON of money with a new Gen and new system at the same time. And since pokemon is starting to fight its way back to the top, having a new system + Pokemon game bundle would be great. Raikou was in the Zorua movie, but still was minor. I don't think it was ever popular, plus it was in Chronicles. Ho-oH I think they are saving for the end. As for the 10 year old thing, that changed in BW and XY, both main characters being older than 10. (Game wise) |
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I just realized something. Everyone is talking about Zygarde but what if the game has Floette as the box art? Heck better yet AZ on it. Would be a real twist to see something besides a legendary on the box. (Only tossing it out due to the whole flowers thing that is supposed have to do with the future)
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1). Age of criminal responsibility 2). Age of majority 3). Age of maturity 4). Age of candidacy 5). Age of consent 6). Legal drinking age 7). Legal working age 8). Marriageable age 9). Retirement age 10). School leaving age 11). Smoking age 12). Voting age |
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As for the 2016 game I really do hope they bring back the story concept they did for BW and BW2. So if you had played BW memories were shown in BW. Quote:
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regardless, how its set up in my state is unusual because the legal age of consent is 16, but one could still get charged with corruption of minors and/or be placed on megan's list if the parents(or the boy/girl) press chargers or scream rape. also i'm pretty sure that it works the same way between states as it dose if someone from California moves to a part of japan where under 18 is legal: namely they'd sill be bound by the US laws on the matter thus making it so that if anyone in japan from California sleeps with someone under the age of 18 they could still end up charged for it. regardless, i'm no lawyer so i can't really say much more then this more then likely a case-to-case thing. not sure why anyone above the age of 20 would even bother with anyone under 18 unless they where unaware of the fact. to much drama to be bothered with regardless of the laws of consent. |
Any if by some amazing chance this was 6.5 how many pokemon do you think would be added? I don't think more than 30 would. Maybe a max of 40. What would South Kalos be though? We have Coastal, Mountain, and Central, and the southern half looks like it would have mountains and maybe another body of water.
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But bringing it back to pokemon I always viewed it was the journey was school in a way which is a cool concept. Since for me hands on makes me learn way better than lectures or books. I am curious if South Kalos is a thing if they would even do gyms or try something new. Like would they really give Kalos 8 new gyms or make the plot different? Maybe say the south was full of Team Flare and was very dangerous to go but now that they are gone it is safe? |
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I don't think they have specific names for certain districts and areas in the past, with the obvious exceptions of certain cheap islands. As for the Pokedex, they can go lazy and simply call it Southern Kalos dex. :D I care less about the name, there's no need for fancy names. |
If South Kalos is a thing, I have a feeling they will handle it in a similar manner as BW2. Closing off the starting area until post game. And then making us start in South Kalos. However, I am not sure it can be handled like BW2 as easily.
I don't think there would be 8 new gyms. Maybe 1 or 2 new gyms. And close off 1 or 2 others. As for the plot, it would probably be a continuation of Team Flare or more history about AZ and the 3000 year war. Or South Kalos tries to start a war with the other parts of Kalos because of Team Flare. |
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I would actually like to start in Lumiose City for once. I don't know why, but yeah. I'm thinking of like if they have you backtrack through Lumiose a few times to traverse certain routes, like for a detour or something.
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I could see 30 more and have it be on par with Johto. As for where we start, I could see two things playing out: The same town as XY, Except the north part would be blocked off, and a new path through the start would open up. Maybe we take a cave? If in Luminous, they could brings us through underground Luminous, and then the other area's are blocked off until later. The underground could lead to the southern Kalos and then we work our way around. They could also switch up the gym order if they wanted to. Maybe have the original kalos leaders be the Kanto of this? We have a new set of leaders, then we work our way around to the originals after the E4? |
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Prequel of Team Flare please, not continuation. Vaniville as the final destination though, unless we are dying over there it's a pointless place to go to. ;) Not to mention that Route 1 is awful. |
People think that Kalos will look like a Hexagon with a south portion added, but if they add all of France to Kalos it'll still look like a Pentagon as France is kind of Pentagonal in real life.
Actually perfect Zygarde's head is kind of shaped like a Pentagon... and 50%'s head kind of looks like an upside down pentagon. It's most noticeable in it's official art work. https://bignadaquasar.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/f725a-zygarde_by_theangryaron-d6pgnq4.png |
It would be nice to start in Lumiouse. I would love for each section to have its own story and then they all combine into one story and we have to revisit areas again.
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I'm thinking that Z might not be a typical third version... Perhaps it'll be at first an interquel, one where the adventure ends up going south instead of north. With southern Kalos having it's own league. In the south we could get the tale behind how Flare got Xerneas and Yvetal, and perhaps an extended role for Malva. Perhaps Malva was the one in charge of southern Kalos.
Sun vmed me about something Blue (member here) found on 4Chan. Masuda apparently went to southern France for what he said was to "study". Which seems like perhaps southern Kalos will be a thing. Here's the link http://4archive.org/board/vp/thread/24813349 During WW II the Nazi's occupied northern France, while southern France was a puppet. Perhaps if Flare is indeed based on the Nazi's, then Flare's role in southern Kalos could be different. Their main area of activity is to the north, but in the south they can play more of a hidden, behind the scenes role. Edit: So I plotted the places that Masuda went to and noticed that they are all in deep southern france. Could this be more for a future region... |
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Though, I'm getting the feeling that it'll be a different region instead of Kalos. Japan got four regions (five counting Fiore), while the US got two (counting Orre which is based on Arizona according to official sources), so another one based on France is possible. |
I really cannot take speculating Z/7 anymore. I'm going insane. I need to know if we are getting Z or 7.
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I'm new to Pokemon games on 3DS as I only ever played emulated fire red and leaf green. Could someone please explain to me the concept of 3rd Pokemon game, Z? Like, will we still have the same Pokemon from XY + more from Z or will there be new Pokemon set? Will I be able to transfer Z Pokemon into XY for breeding with shiny charm or not? I am a bit confused by the concept.
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Sooo... I saw a post on reddit that there's going to be another new PKMN reveal later this Wednesday. Not sure if it's true or not. :3
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I kind of wish they would give us a second region this time around (in which we start our game), as it's been a while since we've had something like it.
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If Maginia is shown officially soon imagine if the new game is shown alongside it XD At the very least we should find out if it is a legendary and if it is Gen 7 which that alone will be a nice confirmation. |
Perhaps Magiana will be a bonus legendary of sorts if it's not Gen 6.5 or 7. Or perhaps if it is Gen 7 it'll get an event like Zoroark and Zorua in BW. Well, they can do that even if it's Gen 6 Bonus or full blown 6.5.
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I've read in another forum where Magiana's inspriation could be, other than only looking similar to Diancie.
They took some liberties with historical accuracy, but Magiana's "dress" and overall style is a mix of 16th Century Fashion and Victorian Era Fashion in France, with the rounded shoulders and the golden frills respectively. Further more, Automata were widely popular in 1600s France, and they were the harbringer of the Industrial Revolution within Europe. Volcanion the steam Pokemon, and Magiana the Man Made Pokemon, an automaton. Steam and Machinery, the basic components for the advancement of technology. Another thing to consider is that the gear is based on either a Gabet Hood(a wired multicornered hood) or a French Hood.Both are worn from the midsection of the head and go around, much like the gear. I had a sense it looks much like some sort of secret Kalos mythical Pokemon to me. Now to just see the official reveal of Magiana later on today if it comes.. |
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It's a Japanese Automata. Along with some inspiration from the moon rabbit legend based on it's rabbit shaped ears. |
I know that one thing is certain... the reveal of a brand-new Pokemon in the midst of Zygarde, Volcanion, and the 20th anniversary hype has made the wait for a new game even more agonizing than it's been before. At least to me anyways... it's starting to feel like the calm before the hype storm.
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Edit: Well it seems like last month's issue's stuff was also updated on the 15th here in the west, so perhaps they changed they time it normally updates so that corocoro will be out by then. |
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If that's the case, how come Zygarde only has hexagons glowing in it's body rather than pentagons? 50% form would've had pentagons instead of hexagons if it's going to represent Kalos by the shape. You don't see any signs of pentagons in the core,cells, and 10%. And there are more hexagons in the latter forms than anything else. |
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Hoping the Pokemon YT page confirms if it is Gen 6 or not tomorrow since they tend to update videos the day Coro comes out.
I want to point out if you go to the channel and go to the video game playlist they have a video set to private :) |
OK, I've been thinking about Magiana and it got me thinking as to whether the move they are taking with the anime/movies are going to be closely related to the Z game.
I would love to see an older version of Kalos, like a time travel twist and something really cool like trying to find Volcanion and Magiana. That to me would be really awesome. Especially seeing as Pokemon is trying to "do new things" with their games and that, and maybe setting it 500 years in the past would be really cool - it would tie in with everything thematically from XY. |
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Zygarde's hexagons might be a reference to cell membranes (more noticeable in plants' cellwalls). Edit: Well it seems that France considers itself Hexagon shaped so...yeah Hexagons might be it ;) |
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Also it was confirmed like 10 mins ago Mr.Masuda is going to E3 |
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Now I'm just wondering what's taking their time with Magiana's reveal? I guess tomorrow won't hurt for them.. |
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Do you think Masuda will be announcing Z? Or something else? |
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