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Nekaku February 11th, 2016 1:40 PM

I have noticed just how similar Gen 1 and Gen 6 are

1.Y is Red with X being blue and it carries on into the remakes which funny enough are remakes of games that had remakes of Gen 1 during it's time

2.Kalos and Kanto have the same number of letters in the name plus both start with KA.

3.Both have a mysterious dungeon with Mewtwo.

4.Prof. gives you Charmander,Sqauirtle and Bulbasaur.

Does this mean much? Maybe not but considering Gen 1 is 20 this year I kinda am hoping the new game has Kanto involved. Would be interesting to have Kanto has a second region like in Gen 2 this would allow for some interesting post game if they base it years into the future like it seems Gen 6 is. (Around 10 or so) That or heck an adventure in Kanto. Mewtwo was man made and Cinnabar island was destroyed so it would make for an interesting plot of the bad person in the new game had ties to Kanto and was the one who created it for Team Rocket (or whoever Mewtwo was made for in the game) and came back to try making ore man made pokemon. Maybe involve Zygarde somehow? Like giving man made pokemon actually Zygarde cells? I doubt the anime is using the plot of the new games as of now. While things do appear in the anime before the games it is pokemon and not story lines which makes me think the season 19 plot won't be the game plot. Would be let down if it was for a lot of people. Though The N arc of BW was really hardly anything like the Gen V games. (Took aspects of it but was different) so not sure how many people expect the same exact plot from the anime to be the 2016 game

mew_nani February 11th, 2016 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9114744)
I've read that it was built by an ancient tribe, but perhaps that's just speculation.

I think Azoth is an anime exclusive location like the towns in Destiny Deoxys and The Rise of Darkrai.

But... we're trying to have some fun here. We don't want to be reminded of the fact that Game Freak will probably just give it to us with no fanfare. ; ;

Nekaku February 11th, 2016 2:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mew_nani (Post 9114782)
But... we're trying to have some fun here. We don't want to be reminded of the fact that Game Freak will probably just give it to us with no fanfare. ; ;

Wasn't Alain mentioned in ORAS? Maybe they are planning to fuse game/anime canon into one slowly XD

shadowmoon522 February 11th, 2016 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mew_nani (Post 9114706)
If he built Azoth he may have built Magiana as well. He already knows how to imbue life into things... wouldn't be impossible for him to do.

Come to think of it I just thought of something. What if WE get to make a Pokemon in this fashion? It's already partially built of bits of other Pokemon, and if we do get to go to Azoth the means to create Magiana may still be there.

then the advent of reapdra will be upon us
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n491/shadowmoon522/75/reapdra_zpsfw2vvafr.jpg~original

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 11th, 2016 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mew_nani (Post 9114782)
But... we're trying to have some fun here. We don't want to be reminded of the fact that Game Freak will probably just give it to us with no fanfare. ; ;

Sorry, I just don't want all of you to get your hopes up like Famon did. It's better to expect a third version with some changes and get that or something better, than to expect something bigger and have it be something generic.

Rivvon February 11th, 2016 3:28 PM

I dunno if AZ would have created Magiana. It's kinda sad to think maybe he made it to kind of "fill the void" left by Floette's departure, but I think by then he definitely learned his lesson about messing with the reanimation of life (as in, "don't do it").

James169 February 11th, 2016 3:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9114769)
I have noticed just how similar Gen 1 and Gen 6 are

1.Y is Red with X being blue and it carries on into the remakes which funny enough are remakes of games that had remakes of Gen 1 during it's time

2.Kalos and Kanto have the same number of letters in the name plus both start with KA.

3.Both have a mysterious dungeon with Mewtwo.

4.Prof. gives you Charmander,Sqauirtle and Bulbasaur.

Does this mean much? Maybe not but considering Gen 1 is 20 this year I kinda am hoping the new game has Kanto involved. Would be interesting to have Kanto has a second region like in Gen 2 this would allow for some interesting post game if they base it years into the future like it seems Gen 6 is. (Around 10 or so) That or heck an adventure in Kanto. Mewtwo was man made and Cinnabar island was destroyed so it would make for an interesting plot of the bad person in the new game had ties to Kanto and was the one who created it for Team Rocket (or whoever Mewtwo was made for in the game) and came back to try making ore man made pokemon. Maybe involve Zygarde somehow? Like giving man made pokemon actually Zygarde cells? I doubt the anime is using the plot of the new games as of now. While things do appear in the anime before the games it is pokemon and not story lines which makes me think the season 19 plot won't be the game plot. Would be let down if it was for a lot of people. Though The N arc of BW was really hardly anything like the Gen V games. (Took aspects of it but was different) so not sure how many people expect the same exact plot from the anime to be the 2016 game

I think there were tonnes of throwbacks to Gen 1 in X and Y, although I haven't played it for ages now so couldn't list them.

I'd like it if another region was involved in the upcoming game, but feel like if it was Kanto/Johto there would be complaints from some that the other one of those 2 wasn't involved as we know they are so close. It wouldn't be Hoenn as we just had ORAS which leaves Sinnoh and Unova as candidates.

Z25 February 11th, 2016 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9114744)
I've read that it was built by an ancient tribe, but perhaps that's just speculation.

I think Azoth is an anime exclusive location like the towns in Destiny Deoxys and The Rise of Darkrai.

The main reason people believe it will be, is because of the AZOTH files in ORAS.
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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9114827)
Wasn't Alain mentioned in ORAS? Maybe they are planning to fuse game/anime canon into one slowly XD

I think this is exactly what's being done.

Also here is my theory. It's very long, and I don't know how likely it is, but I think it's worth sharing:

AZ was once a powerful ruler of Kalos. However when the Kalos war broke out 3,000 years ago, he began to change. He wanted to save floette after the war killed it. I believe AZ ruled many lands in Kalos. I think we will learn that the war was started by another rule trying to take over Kalos. As King, AZ participated in the war, as in ancient times this wasn't to uncommon.

Which reminds me, The ultimate weapon killed a lot of pokemon, enough to make Floette sad and leave. How many did it kill? I have to imagine that a war fought by giant monsters and humans would be enough power to destroy the earth as pokemon like Gyrados and tyranitar could destroy entire cities. Let alone any megas at the time...

So how powerful was this weapon? It must have been just as, if not more destructive then the war itself..... Which is pretty insane if you think about it.

Moving on, I believe AZOTH was the main civilization that AZ had conquered. It was probably A strategic city to own. Perhaps it was massive like Luminous City? From this City, AZ ruled. I also think this is why it's called Azoth. It be named after him, much like Alexandria was named after Alexander the Great. IT could be a real life comparison by GF. In this city, volcanion lived, because as we've seen in the anime movies and games, legendaries lived with ancient humans.

By the time AZ takes over AZOTH, floette is dead, and he plans to build the ultimate weapon to resurrect it. Azoth is built as a technological advancement. It has stempunk like tech as we've been hinted at.

As part of this theory, I should mention, that based on the games, I am thinking and Hoenn were once connected to Kalos. Moving on...

As AZ builds the ultimate weapon, he is unsure if it will work Using the corpses of pokemon his soldiers bring back from the fighting grounds. For this theory, I predict that AZOTH is in the southeast portion of Kalos. Why?

Well currently in the anime, Ash and co are on their way to Snowbelle. This movie takes place at the same time. Volcanion is heading to Azoth to save magianna, but ends up dragging Ash with it. Volcanion lives in mountains, and to the South East of Kalos, there seems to be a lot of them. Plus a place this could easily work in a mountain, or almost badlands setting.

Also there is no place for it where the kalos map is now, but it clearly will be important, so it being in the south makes sense.

Moving on.... After enough pokemon were sacrificed, AZ tests the device out on an old lifeless robot that was lying around. IT works and brings Magianna to life. Magianna is confused on what life is and is brought to life in the middle of the war.. Perhaps he also managed to Create regigias somehow, who then pushed the continents away, separating Kalos and Hoenn? And eventually created the regis Seeing his idea worked, Az brings floette back to life. But the war and everything else gets to him...

He finds a way to rework the life saving device into one that ends lives. The device kills more people and pokemon, and ends the war. However firing that beam released the energy that causes primal evolution. Magianna somehow will use this energy and cause volcanion to use primal reversion. Perhaps magianna actually holds part of the ultimate weapon in it, and if something happens to it, it could end up killing many people. Volcanion will want to stop it's kidnappers from harassing this power in the movie.

After firing the ultimate weapon, not only did it release the energy that can cause primal reversion, but it also gave AZ immortality since he was so close to the firing range. Or maybe Magianna somehow became the reason.
The blasts also destroys the Azoth kingdom. However left confused and by itself, Magianna ends up staying in the kingdom, and becomes friends with volcanion. Due to the actions they both witness, they isolated themselves and avoid the human race.

As the years go by, AZ wanders Kalos alone, saddened by his actions and the loss of his beloved floette. Until the events of XY,
I also think that Magma and Aqua knew about the Azoth kingdom but not magianna. I believe that due to the state he was in at the time, AZ would neglect magianna as his focus was on Floette, and even in his sadness, he ignores it. Az would the go back to the kingdom in Z and apologize and state how you would be better at owning it maybe. Although it's a mythical pokemon so maybe we won't see it in game at all, but after deoxys, it's possible.

In Z, maybe we go to Azoth and learn that the machine actually created a new type,by causing it's energy to bring things like magianna to life. This could lead into my theory of a new type, the machine, or man made type. It would apply to manmade pokemon, and maybe we could see that there are steampunk or self aware objects that became pokemon as a result of the machine's energy. This could all take place in Z. Maybe southern Kalos is opened up after the mountains mysteriously get leveled and the region is accessible by land. As we go along we could get into Episode V, a plot that revolves around volcanion being the reason the south is accessible, and end to the AZ/Team Flare story, and the discovery of magianna and learning more about how the world changed recently.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the story takes a new turn before the end of the game, and a war is about to happen that would be catastrophic. Perhaps Malva now leading Neo team Flare, could find a way to obtain the ultimate weapon, and a war is waged. You have to stop them from activating the weapon again and perhaps in them reactivating it, we learn lysandre was alive and immortal. Bit of a stretch for this last part but who knows.

I do think we could see a theme of man vs machine for the game, and I do think we will go to Hoenn in HGSS style, not much story for it( maybe it ties into the V episode or Z episode, whichever) but more challenging and the battle frontier could return as well.

mew_nani February 11th, 2016 3:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9114866)
Sorry, I just don't want all of you to get your hopes up like Famon did. It's better to expect a third version with some changes and get that or something better, than to expect something bigger and have it be something generic.

Well unlike Famon we already know Game Freak will probably let us down in that department so eh, might as well have fun and dream now before crushing reality sets in. I honestly don't think they can fix all the inherent issues X and Y had without making a TON of changes, and if they don't make those changes Z will be 'meh' at best. At least it gives the people who make fangames some ammunition.

Nekaku February 11th, 2016 3:43 PM

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Originally Posted by James169 (Post 9114876)
I think there were tonnes of throwbacks to Gen 1 in X and Y, although I haven't played it for ages now so couldn't list them.

I'd like it if another region was involved in the upcoming game, but feel like if it was Kanto/Johto there would be complaints from some that the other one of those 2 wasn't involved as we know they are so close. It wouldn't be Hoenn as we just had ORAS which leaves Sinnoh and Unova as candidates.

Yeah it would be unexpected and pretty cool to see. I think the days of the normal 3rd version is gone after BW2 and the 2016 will be something nobody really expected. Whether this means a new journey in an older region with concluding the Gen 6 story since it felt ORAS was more of a follow up to XY than a regular remake like FR/LG and HG/SS. I just think a lot of gamers have become fed up with remasters just a year or two after the game is out since it seems to be a thing that is pretty big now when in the past it was really just Pokemon that did it.

I guess we just need to wait for maybe a Direct or Masuda to drop a bomb. I do have a feeling something will be said next week. Maybe not so much the new game as much as a hint towards the future. Like if the USA YT uploads a video showing the new pokemon I expect that to shed light. Like if they say a "new Pokemon" we know new pokemon are coming but if they say new form we know a form change is coming. Though I am leaning towards full on new since they gave it a name and they just give the forms names but say the pokemon. Like %50 Zygarde. Though the ORAS reveal literally was pulled out of thin air. no build up or anything it was just uploaded and boom!

Nekaku February 11th, 2016 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mew_nani (Post 9114904)
Well unlike Famon we already know Game Freak will probably let us down in that department so eh, might as well have fun and dream now before crushing reality sets in. I honestly don't think they can fix all the inherent issues X and Y had without making a TON of changes, and if they don't make those changes Z will be 'meh' at best. At least it gives the people who make fangames some ammunition.

Keeping hopes low is also good in case they do go all out with a game nobody saw coming. Nobody would be let down since we did not hype it. Though if it is just Z I would be a bit sad due to it being the 20th year and hoping they would really go all out. If it was Z any other year (like last) I would not mind as much

Though things are going like the way I planned in early 2014. New gen-2013,remakes-2014 nothing-2015 All out anniversary game-2016. So far I have been right and would love a great game for 2016. However as you said it is best to keep hopes low. We should find out by e3.

mew_nani February 11th, 2016 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 9114903)
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Very nice theory there! A few things were off though: Magiana was theorized to have been made 500 years ago, while AZ's Floette was revived 3,000 years ago. The Ultimate Weapon was converted into a weapon after said Floette was revived, and to my knowledge it didn't cause any deaths at that point because it had either Xerneas or Yveltal powering it. Simply being exposed to the machine bestowed immortality on both of them, and its location was always in Geosenge Town. It was only after it had been converted into a weapon that it took the lives of nearby Pokemon, and while we never see its effects Team Flare used it with the intent to destroy all life on Earth so there's that.

Aside from that though it's an interesting theory. Unfortunately we probably won't get anything like that and will probably just get a rehashed Team Flare plot with few changes. I don't have faith in Game Freak's storytelling abilities right now.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 11th, 2016 4:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9114906)
Yeah it would be unexpected and pretty cool to see. I think the days of the normal 3rd version is gone after BW2 and the 2016 will be something nobody really expected. Whether this means a new journey in an older region with concluding the Gen 6 story since it felt ORAS was more of a follow up to XY than a regular remake like FR/LG and HG/SS. I just think a lot of gamers have become fed up with remasters just a year or two after the game is out since it seems to be a thing that is pretty big now when in the past it was really just Pokemon that did it.

I guess we just need to wait for maybe a Direct or Masuda to drop a bomb. I do have a feeling something will be said next week. Maybe not so much the new game as much as a hint towards the future. Like if the USA YT uploads a video showing the new pokemon I expect that to shed light. Like if they say a "new Pokemon" we know new pokemon are coming but if they say new form we know a form change is coming. Though I am leaning towards full on new since they gave it a name and they just give the forms names but say the pokemon. Like %50 Zygarde. Though the ORAS reveal literally was pulled out of thin air. no build up or anything it was just uploaded and boom!

It is new. Even the japanese on corocoro says so for those wondering. While they also call formes "New" this one as you said has a name. Btw, we wouldn't be completely sure if Magiana will be a new Kalos mon or a early cameo. Sugimori mentioned shortly after XY irc that they had already begun work on Gen VII, saying they wanted to make it more like the originals, simple . OrAs was developed by a different team than XY irc, so the main team might be working on Gen VII, or on 'Z'. Or maybe Z will be Gen VII, and we'll get a Pokémon 'W' (with a new mon) or maybe Pokémon 'M' (M is the 13th letter in the Alphabet).

Z25 February 11th, 2016 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mew_nani (Post 9114924)
Very nice theory there! A few things were off though: Magiana was theorized to have been made 500 years ago, while AZ's Floette was revived 3,000 years ago. The Ultimate Weapon was converted into a weapon after said Floette was revived, and to my knowledge it didn't cause any deaths at that point because it had either Xerneas or Yveltal powering it. Simply being exposed to the machine bestowed immortality on both of them, and its location was always in Geosenge Town. It was only after it had been converted into a weapon that it took the lives of nearby Pokemon, and while we never see its effects Team Flare used it with the intent to destroy all life on Earth so there's that.

Aside from that though it's an interesting theory. Unfortunately we probably won't get anything like that and will probably just get a rehashed Team Flare plot with few changes. I don't have faith in Game Freak's storytelling abilities right now.

Dang, I knew I forgot something in writing that. IT was on the 500 years part. But I remember what I originally thought.

So with that in mind, a few changes:

Magianna was created with energy leftover from the ultimate weapon. Not by AZ, but by the descendants of people of AZOTH. They create Magianna as a vessel essential. Using the ultimate weapon's energy, magianni is created to contain/or balance primal volcanion( who I think is guaranteed at this point), who is caused to primal revert uncontrollably by the strange device mentioned by the movie description.

In the past, maybe primal volcanion managed to destroy Azoth, when it went into primal form, but a few that were leftover created magianna as a way to stop this power. Perhaps volcanion couldn't control it, but magianna was made to help it? Eventually time moves on and the ruins of Azoth are left untouched, and then evetually it's just volcanion and magianna in Azoth until the people in the movie find them and capture magianna.

As for the powering of the weapon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CneQ-QnwdSc

the wording makes it sound like they used pokemon to power it, and then he used that same power to completely wipe out the remaining ones in the war after floette is revived. But it could go either way.

And yeah it probably won't happen, but I found it interesting and fun to make anyway!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 11th, 2016 4:26 PM

@ Zoroarkrules. I don't think there's a link between the Project and this anime town. Recall, in the Games the project was developed by Maxie/Archie (perhaps during their time in the same team), it's purpose was to change the face of the earth and take back the world to a primal stage in order to rebuild a better one. That plan wasn't very different from Lysander's but it's possible that Lysander heard of the plan much in the same way Ghetsis knows of Rocket and Galactic.

Nekaku February 11th, 2016 4:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9114932)
It is new. Even the japanese on corocoro says so for those wondering. While they also call formes "New" this one as you said has a name. Btw, we wouldn't be completely sure if Magiana will be a new Kalos mon or a early cameo. Sugimori mentioned shortly after XY irc that they had already begun work on Gen VII, saying they wanted to make it more like the originals, simple . OrAs was developed by a different team than XY irc, so the main team might be working on Gen VII, or on 'Z'. Or maybe Z will be Gen VII, and we'll get a Pokémon 'W' (with a new mon) or maybe Pokémon 'M' (M is the 13th letter in the Alphabet).

This is something I never knew. I had no idea GF had separate teams. Always thought the company was pretty small. I am curious if them wanting to make it simple means in terms of battles of game overall. I can understand retooling battles to make them simple but not sure how they can make the game itself any more simple.

Z25 February 11th, 2016 4:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9114955)
@ Zoroarkrules. I don't think there's a link between the Project and this anime town. Recall, in the Games the project was developed by Maxie/Archie (perhaps during their time in the same team), it's purpose was to change the face of the earth and take back the world to a primal stage in order to rebuild a better one. That plan wasn't very different from Lysander's but it's possible that Lysander heard of the plan much in the same way Ghetsis knows of Rocket and Galactic.

Maybe, but in the game, its a project researching primal reversion. Volcanion is connected to this kingdom, and is thought to get a primal much like how Hoop and diancie got a new form, and mega with their movies respectively.

So it is possible that they are connected. Primal reversion could relate back to this place.

Also it's worth noting that they seem to want the anime and games to be canon based on the Allan reference. This movie could very well showcase this off a bit.

Nekaku February 11th, 2016 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 9114965)
Maybe, but in the game, its a project researching primal reversion. Volcanion is connected to this kingdom, and is thought to get a primal much like how Hoop and diancie got a new form, and mega with their movies respectively.

So it is possible that they are connected. Primal reversion could relate back to this place.

Also it's worth noting that they seem to want the anime and games to be canon based on the Allan reference. This movie could very well showcase this off a bit.

Would be interesting to see Alain in game. Maybe you and him could be friends.?

Z25 February 11th, 2016 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9114969)
Would be interesting to see Alain in game. Maybe you and him could be friends.?

I think it be cool. He could maybe be Sycamore's aid but not a generic NPC like past games, and then sometime later on he battles you. Maybe when you get your first mega?

Nekaku February 11th, 2016 4:50 PM

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 9114972)
I think it be cool. He could maybe be Sycamore's aid but not a generic NPC like past games, and then sometime later on he battles you. Maybe when you get your first mega?

Yeah he could be the game's rival assuming they something new and not gyms but more of a quest like in Final Fantasy. So many new things GF could try

Z25 February 11th, 2016 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9114975)
Yeah he could be the game's rival assuming they something new and not gyms but more of a quest like in Final Fantasy. So many new things GF could try

true, it should be interesting to see what they do for the next game. It sounds like it might be pretty big.

Nekaku February 11th, 2016 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 9114989)
true, it should be interesting to see what they do for the next game. It sounds like it might be pretty big.

I kinda hope the gym formula is dropped for a few games. Could still be a great game even if they drop it for something fresh. I just think it has been the same for so long people worry it would be bad if they dropped it but sometimes change can turn out good. I am sure people were unsure about Mario going full 3D but it went good.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 11th, 2016 5:05 PM

Or maybe Z will be like Yellow. Yellow didn't have any anime locations in it, but it did include Jessie and James.

Z25 February 11th, 2016 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9114998)
I kinda hope the gym formula is dropped for a few games. Could still be a great game even if they drop it for something fresh. I just think it has been the same for so long people worry it would be bad if they dropped it but sometimes change can turn out good. I am sure people were unsure about Mario going full 3D but it went good.

Changing the formula away from gyms would be interesting, but I doubt they would do it since it's such a huge staple. Also Z could be closer then we think.
http://www.pokebeach.com/2016/02/pokemon-league-schedule-hinting-at-fall-z-game

Nekaku February 11th, 2016 5:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 9115057)
Changing the formula away from gyms would be interesting, but I doubt they would do it since it's such a huge staple. Also Z could be closer then we think.
http://www.pokebeach.com/2016/02/pokemon-league-schedule-hinting-at-fall-z-game

While it might be a staple breaking away could end up being a huge help. Lots of people are kinda bored with the rinse and repeat style. But taking them out does not mean it would be a huge jump. Maybe something like boss battles like most JRPGS have. I would be fine with another set of gyms if we get a dark gym after like 17 years XD

mew_nani February 11th, 2016 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9115067)
While it might be a staple breaking away could end up being a huge help. Lots of people are kinda bored with the rinse and repeat style. But taking them out does not mean it would be a huge jump. Maybe something like boss battles like most JRPGS have. I would be fine with another set of gyms if we get a dark gym after like 17 years XD

They were already attempting to go the RPG route in X and Y so they might as well go full hog. Have a quest that doesn't involve gym badges or beating the Pokemon League. Give us something different.

Also... 17 years? Have we even HAD a Dark type gym yet? I don't think we've ever had a Poison type gym either.

EDIT: wait nevermind forgot about koga and roxie

MarinoKadame February 11th, 2016 6:15 PM

They could try doing something similar to the Digimon Story games, if they want to break out of the gym stuff.

Nekaku February 11th, 2016 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 9115090)
They could try doing something similar to the Digimon Story games, if they want to break out of the gym stuff.

Loving the new one. Like make Lumnoise a central hub city and get missions to go to different parts of Kalos. Maybe make it so it is 5 yrs after XY and Sycamore recruits you to the Kalos Defense Squad which is you Shauna,Tierno,Trevor and the reverse gender that you are. So if you pick the boy Serena is the leader and Calem if you play the girl.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 11th, 2016 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9115098)
Loving the new one. Like make Lumnoise a central hub city and get missions to go to different parts of Kalos. Maybe make it so it is 5 yrs after XY and Sycamore recruits you to the Kalos Defense Squad which is you Shauna,Tierno,Trevor and the reverse gender that you are. So if you pick the boy Serena is the leader and Calem if you play the girl.

It'll be interesting to see the old opposite sex rival in a sequel. BW's didn't play a large role outside of the subway.

illumine February 11th, 2016 7:29 PM

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I kinda hope the gym formula is dropped for a few games.
To be fair, given protocol dropping that might make the distance between a main game and a side-game - where such things are more common - a bit more blurred, and they would then have to preserve that artificially, but you doubt they would be that rushed to drop that in order to replace it with another form of what gym leaders represent, such as level bosses, etc. They'd probably want to maintain the journey motif somehow, where the player is allowed to develop with their Pokémon, rather than rushing them into things. After that they can figure something out.

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Also... 17 years? Have we even HAD a Dark type gym yet?
To be fair, as you say, there have been poison-type gyms, including one 'Janine.' Anyway, though, I'm not sure if there's that much of a rush to create a 'Dark-type' Gym, as in a sense not being affiliated with a whole gym does seem appropriate to the type, which for that matter hasn't been given that much development otherwise.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9115155)
It'll be interesting to see the old opposite sex rival in a sequel. BW's didn't play a large role outside of the subway.

They could start with the Pokémon which most resembles a Digimon.

Famon February 12th, 2016 2:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mew_nani (Post 9114638)
Ah... Ok, correction: MOST people didn't see this coming. XD

Actually , I did see it coming !
Remember , Few moth ago I myself pointed out that more pokemon beside perfect Zygarde might get reveal in future.

shadowmoon522 February 12th, 2016 2:48 AM

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Originally Posted by illumine (Post 9115182)
They could start with the Pokémon which most resembles a Digimon.

http://orig00.deviantart.net/1e4b/f/2011/273/3/2/pokemon_vs_digimon_by_lurocha-d4bejte.png
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-s9zx213aHL8/VZtXFGkLRyI/AAAAAAAAFz8/d7chuwTmZCQ/s640/pokemon_vs_digimon_by_lurocha-d4bej4y.png
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UnYZNq-w8yY/VZtWFLUGbtI/AAAAAAAAFzs/EyUTKa8JbO0/s1600/pokemon_vs_digimon_by_lurocha-d4begpc.png
http://i.imgur.com/8htHgUC.png
http://orig02.deviantart.net/0337/f/2011/273/a/d/pokemon_vs_digimon_by_lurocha-d4bek0f.png
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ile9v2QbQBo/VZtWhQbMLtI/AAAAAAAAFz0/AAQAGD4WuwE/s1600/pokemon_vs_digimon_by_lurocha-d4beixp.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0_vTuvDkSWO9NXI4GNiX5_GMY_faztfxWdiCJaOxffsxFqwU27YT_255vXZlvfjoKDJ
http://orig05.deviantart.net/c226/f/2011/273/5/9/pokemon_vs_digimon_by_lurocha-d4beinj.png
http://pm1.narvii.com/5712/ed3cfa7ffa73fa18a23ba5d876d95abffc78a64c_hq.jpg


Hiatus February 12th, 2016 6:09 AM

I actually feel like Heracross' mega-form looks a lot more similar to Kokabuterimon than its original, haha.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 12th, 2016 8:41 AM

Wow...so many...


Anyways, we should get an official announcement by the 14th as usually the official site usually updates a day before Corocoro comes out officially (well at least it's the 14th in the U.S. at the time).

Nekaku February 12th, 2016 9:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9115789)
Wow...so many...


Anyways, we should get an official announcement by the 14th as usually the official site usually updates a day before Corocoro comes out officially (well at least it's the 14th in the U.S. at the time).

Wait official thing for a game?!

WingsofBliss February 12th, 2016 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9115858)
Wait official thing for a game?!


I think he's talking about Magiana. When Zygarde's new Formes debuted in the CoroCoro issue that came out in September, the official Pokémon website in all languages posted the Formes and info about them within a couple days after appearing in CoroCoro.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 12th, 2016 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9115899)
I think he's talking about Magiana. When Zygarde's new Formes debuted in the CoroCoro issue that came out in September, the official Pokémon website in all languages posted the Formes and info about them within a couple days after appearing in CoroCoro.

Well after the leak at least, I don't think that it had officially come out yet when they showed Zygarde on the official site.

When 'Z' is announced I hope they clear up it's status.

Nekaku February 12th, 2016 11:24 AM

The thing about the new game is were all expecting a Direct or something to show it but it could be like ORAS which was just a random trailer out of nowhere with no build up. I guess you could say with the Zygarde forms and Gearcina (My english name for it the new 2016 game has had more build up XD Assuming the forms are in the games and all. I would not be shocked if the dog form and perfect cell are forms but if the small ones are viewed as separate pokemon like Mew and Mewtwo. At least for the games. (I am unsure how they are in the anime since I can't stand the subbed

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 12th, 2016 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9115991)
The thing about the new game is were all expecting a Direct or something to show it but it could be like ORAS which was just a random trailer out of nowhere with no build up. I guess you could say with the Zygarde forms and Gearcina (My english name for it the new 2016 game has had more build up XD Assuming the forms are in the games and all. I would not be shocked if the dog form and perfect cell are forms but if the small ones are viewed as separate pokemon like Mew and Mewtwo. At least for the games. (I am unsure how they are in the anime since I can't stand the subbed

Well that trailer came out after Iwata revealed OrAs at a business brief or some kind of investor related event. I believe they've already had one this month so...yeah, I don't expect it to come from a brief. Maybe a Press Conference like GO, which was announced on the same day they made the event known irc.

The small ones are formes too.

Btw most likely they'll keep Magiana, GF has said that they like keeping the names of legendaries the same in all languages.

Nekaku February 12th, 2016 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9115999)
Well that trailer came out after Iwata revealed OrAs at a business brief or some kind of investor related event. I believe they've already had one this month so...yeah, I don't expect it to come from a brief. Maybe a Press Conference like GO, which was announced on the same day they made the event known irc.

The small ones are formes too.

Btw most likely they'll keep Magiana, GF has said that they like keeping the names of legendaries the same in all languages.

I do wonder if they would do anything on the 27th.

Bounsweet February 12th, 2016 11:53 AM

This reveal with Magiana wasn't surprising to me in the slightest, tbh. GF has been extremely hush-hush lately so it was just a matter of time before something new was revealed.

Also, it isn't Gen VII, lol. I'm like 99.8% confident of that. We've never had a mythical Pokémon reveal as a teaser for the next gen, and while it isn't explicitly stated I think it's pretty obvious considering its relation to Volcanion. People are theorizing that it's Gen VII but related to Gen VI Pokémon, like Regigigas, but Regigigas was a minor legendary as far as storyline and plot goes. This Pokémon has some kind of direct and close relationship with Volcanion - a Gen VI legendary - and we're due to get Z Version very soon. I can most definitely see something going along the lines of either Volcanion or Magiana being an event needed to access an area/trigger a battle with their counterpart in-game - like the Zoroark event with the legendary dogs and whatever else was in Gen V (I don't remember much of it, tbh).

As far as Gen 6.5 is concerned, I'm very doubtful. If anything, we'll just get more Megas for Z Version like what we had with ORAS. We had 28 introduced in XY and 20 introduced in ORAS, that's 48 Megas on top of the 70 Kalos Pokémon - 118 new Pokémon this region. I can easily see them throwing another 20 Megas into the mix when Z Version comes out to bump it up to 138, and calling it a day.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 12th, 2016 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9116002)
I do wonder if they would do anything on the 27th.

They're having several parties that day. Perhaps they'll surprise their guests.

Poke_Spirit February 12th, 2016 9:53 PM

Just looking at the map of kalos feels like there's some missing parts..
http://www.serebii.net/pokearth/kalos.png

colter519 February 12th, 2016 11:07 PM

I just feel that the fact that the third season of the Kalos series of the anime is called XY&Z it seems obvious to me that there will be a Z coming out. Likely this year. In fact, with the anime continuing in the US on the 20th I think that the end of this month seems like a likely time to announce a new game. Also, Magiana seems to clearly be an Event Legendary to me, just like Volcanion. New pokemon have been introduced before their generation in the anime all over the place (maybe every time) going all the way back to Togepi. And then Marrill, Snubbull, and Donphan being in the first movie. However, pokemon from the next generation have never played a major role in a movie and I don't see that starting now. I feel we'll get Z this year and then a gen 7 as late as 2018. Plus, as has been said before, Kalos has so much potential and much more to offer. It's not going anywhere yet.

I will say that I would love it if gen 7 let go of the formulaic story though. I miss the sheer adventure of gen 1 and 2. I mean, why were you even going on that journey besides mom saying that all little boys leave home? You weren't trying to defeat an evil team (which wasn't attempting to destroy the earth), you weren't trying to be the pokemon league champion. Really the only task you were given was from Professor Oak to fill the pokedex. Also, on that adventure there was some leeway in the order you were able to complete some events to the point where the order of some of those gyms gets muddled up in my mind (basically everything between Lt. Surge and Blaine). I wasn't in a forced stop and go the entire time. It felt like I had some breathing room to explore and adventure. Unfortunately the more intricate story lines have brought with them more linear gameplay (emphasis on more, because it's always been pretty linear)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 12th, 2016 11:52 PM

I have a feeling that if they do add new areas it'll be in the bottom center of the map, but north of the mountains. That area is pretty empty. It could perhaps also be considered southern Kalos.

shadowmoon522 February 13th, 2016 1:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Poke_Spirit (Post 9116651)
Just looking at the map of kalos feels like there's some missing parts..
http://www.serebii.net/pokearth/kalos.png

i think what its its missing a mouth & a nose

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 4:39 AM

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Originally Posted by colter519 (Post 9116707)
I just feel that the fact that the third season of the Kalos series of the anime is called XY&Z it seems obvious to me that there will be a Z coming out. Likely this year. In fact, with the anime continuing in the US on the 20th I think that the end of this month seems like a likely time to announce a new game. Also, Magiana seems to clearly be an Event Legendary to me, just like Volcanion. New pokemon have been introduced before their generation in the anime all over the place (maybe every time) going all the way back to Togepi. And then Marrill, Snubbull, and Donphan being in the first movie. However, pokemon from the next generation have never played a major role in a movie and I don't see that starting now. I feel we'll get Z this year and then a gen 7 as late as 2018. Plus, as has been said before, Kalos has so much potential and much more to offer. It's not going anywhere yet.

I will say that I would love it if gen 7 let go of the formulaic story though. I miss the sheer adventure of gen 1 and 2. I mean, why were you even going on that journey besides mom saying that all little boys leave home? You weren't trying to defeat an evil team (which wasn't attempting to destroy the earth), you weren't trying to be the pokemon league champion. Really the only task you were given was from Professor Oak to fill the pokedex. Also, on that adventure there was some leeway in the order you were able to complete some events to the point where the order of some of those gyms gets muddled up in my mind (basically everything between Lt. Surge and Blaine). I wasn't in a forced stop and go the entire time. It felt like I had some breathing room to explore and adventure. Unfortunately the more intricate story lines have brought with them more linear gameplay (emphasis on more, because it's always been pretty linear)

Latioas,Latias,Lucario,Manaphy and Zorua all say hi. So not sure what you meant by they don't play roles in the movies. Literally all of them played a big role and were next gen Pokemon prior to the gen being out.
You need to factor in when it began airing (In Japan) and when the game would likely come out. Games tend to come out in the fall with BW 2 being an exception somehow. By the fall the anime would likely be done or nearing the climax of Z so having Z as a game would just seem very odd over something else they could do till Gen 7. Not saying Zygarde can't have focus in then ew game but idk it just is odd timing and I can't see the Z arc lasting pass summer in Japan let alone till Gen 7. Which is making me feel Z is anime only and the new game is something else plot wise. Makes me think the things left untouched in XY were done for a reason and it will be explained in the new game. Maybe the reason the power plant had a locked door was due to a scientist working on a project that ends up being the plot off game 2016. What could this power be? Can you defeat it? Find out next time on Pokemon Z! (sorry I had to do it)

Sun February 13th, 2016 6:55 AM

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Originally Posted by colter519 (Post 9116707)
I just feel that the fact that the third season of the Kalos series of the anime is called XY&Z it seems obvious to me that there will be a Z coming out. Likely this year. In fact, with the anime continuing in the US on the 20th I think that the end of this month seems like a likely time to announce a new game. Also, Magiana seems to clearly be an Event Legendary to me, just like Volcanion. New pokemon have been introduced before their generation in the anime all over the place (maybe every time) going all the way back to Togepi. And then Marrill, Snubbull, and Donphan being in the first movie. However, pokemon from the next generation have never played a major role in a movie and I don't see that starting now. I feel we'll get Z this year and then a gen 7 as late as 2018. Plus, as has been said before, Kalos has so much potential and much more to offer. It's not going anywhere yet.

I will say that I would love it if gen 7 let go of the formulaic story though. I miss the sheer adventure of gen 1 and 2. I mean, why were you even going on that journey besides mom saying that all little boys leave home? You weren't trying to defeat an evil team (which wasn't attempting to destroy the earth), you weren't trying to be the pokemon league champion. Really the only task you were given was from Professor Oak to fill the pokedex. Also, on that adventure there was some leeway in the order you were able to complete some events to the point where the order of some of those gyms gets muddled up in my mind (basically everything between Lt. Surge and Blaine). I wasn't in a forced stop and go the entire time. It felt like I had some breathing room to explore and adventure. Unfortunately the more intricate story lines have brought with them more linear gameplay (emphasis on more, because it's always been pretty linear)

I've had some in-game related speculations when it comes to letting little boys and girls leave home at a young age. Perhaps age 10 is already considered as young adults in the Pokemon world? It might sound funny, but things work differently in real life as well, right? Some places consider 18 as the legal age of adult and some 21. Soo when you think about it, it isn't that strange. (:

Gen 7 for 2018 is good, especially if they are going for Gen 6.5 this time. :D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 8:05 AM

I think that we'll get Gen VII next year if my theory of Nintendo pushing GF to make games for the release of the NX (assuming it comes out this year) is wrong. Irc GS and RS came out a year after the GBC and GBA had come out. I think was the same with DP for the DS (though DP were originally suppose to be part of the starting line up with a release date scheduled for 2005).

colter519 February 13th, 2016 8:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9116870)
Latioas,Latias,Lucario,Manaphy and Zorua all say hi. So not sure what you meant by they don't play roles in the movies. Literally all of them played a big role and were next gen Pokemon prior to the gen being out.

I didn't realize those movies were out before their corresponding generations of games. I was kind of out of the pokemon loop during those generations and my dates must be off. And I completely spaced that Lucario and Zorua even were main focal points of movies despite not being legendary pokemon. I should probably pay more attention to Japanese movie release dates. My bad

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 8:44 AM

Not to mention Lugia.

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 9:38 AM

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Originally Posted by colter519 (Post 9117075)
I didn't realize those movies were out before their corresponding generations of games. I was kind of out of the pokemon loop during those generations and my dates must be off. And I completely spaced that Lucario and Zorua even were main focal points of movies despite not being legendary pokemon. I should probably pay more attention to Japanese movie release dates. My bad

It is only natural to get confused since Pokemon is so old. Heck I forget certain Pokemon even exist. I forget Donphan was a thing until recently XD


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Originally Posted by Sun (Post 9116999)
I've had some in-game related speculations when it comes to letting little boys and girls leave home at a young age. Perhaps age 10 is already considered as young adults in the Pokemon world? It might sound funny, but things work differently in real life as well, right? Some places consider 18 as the legal age of adult and some 21. Soo when you think about it, it isn't that strange. (:

Gen 7 for 2018 is good, especially if they are going for Gen 6.5 this time. :D

I will be honest I think in our world it is something they should do. Well maybe not venture into the world alone but let kids choose what they want to do. My biggest issue with school post 8th grade is it is just relearning everything you already know plus a ton of unnecessary drama. I think if kids could venture into what they want to do after middle school they would learn a lot more. Not saying school is worthless but let kids go to schools for what they want or they can try going into a field. Like if a kid wants to learn about marine biology let them help at an aquarium or if a kid wants to go into film let them go to an art school or just allow the child to try out for plays. I do think 10 is too young but I think 14 is a good age.

colter519 February 13th, 2016 9:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9117147)
It is only natural to get confused since Pokemon is so old. Heck I forget certain Pokemon even exist. I forget Donphan was a thing until recently XD

Thanks for the understanding. There is almost 20 years of history and now 722 pokemon to remember. I guess a better question to bring up would be if they've ever introduced a new generation before highlighting all the legendary pokemon from the current generation. I'm kinda fuzzy on the second movie if it was before or after gold and silver were released, and Ho-oh never got much attention from what I recall other than the first episode. And even then that thought could be a moot point if Magiana is a gen 7 pokemon anyway.

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by colter519 (Post 9117158)
Thanks for the understanding. There is almost 20 years of history and now 722 pokemon to remember. I guess a better question to bring up would be if they've ever introduced a new generation before highlighting all the legendary pokemon from the current generation. I'm kinda fuzzy on the second movie if it was before or after gold and silver were released, and Ho-oh never got much attention from what I recall other than the first episode. And even then that thought could be a moot point if Magiana is a gen 7 pokemon anyway.

Ho Oh and Raikou got hardly any love in the anime or movies. No idea why

Iceshadow3317 February 13th, 2016 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9117057)
I think that we'll get Gen VII next year if my theory of Nintendo pushing GF to make games for the release of the NX (assuming it comes out this year) is wrong. Irc GS and RS came out a year after the GBC and GBA had come out. I think was the same with DP for the DS (though DP were originally suppose to be part of the starting line up with a release date scheduled for 2005).


This is what I am thinking, although they just went to the 3DS. DS was around for a while though and had like 4 different types before 3DS. They might come out at the same time. My guess, the end of 2017 in October or November. They would probably make a TON of money with a new Gen and new system at the same time. And since pokemon is starting to fight its way back to the top, having a new system + Pokemon game bundle would be great.

Raikou was in the Zorua movie, but still was minor. I don't think it was ever popular, plus it was in Chronicles. Ho-oH I think they are saving for the end.


As for the 10 year old thing, that changed in BW and XY, both main characters being older than 10. (Game wise)

colter519 February 13th, 2016 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9117165)
Ho Oh and Raikou got hardly any love in the anime or movies. No idea why

Very true. Raikou at least got the legend of thunder special, and shiny Raikou was in the Zoroark movie, but really has always been overshadowed by other legendary pokemon. And poor Ho-oh. Gold was even the less owned of it's generation

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 10:35 AM

I just realized something. Everyone is talking about Zygarde but what if the game has Floette as the box art? Heck better yet AZ on it. Would be a real twist to see something besides a legendary on the box. (Only tossing it out due to the whole flowers thing that is supposed have to do with the future)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117168)
This is what I am thinking, although they just went to the 3DS. DS was around for a while though and had like 4 different types before 3DS. They might come out at the same time. My guess, the end of 2017 in October or November. They would probably make a TON of money with a new Gen and new system at the same time. And since pokemon is starting to fight its way back to the top, having a new system + Pokemon game bundle would be great.

Raikou was in the Zorua movie, but still was minor. I don't think it was ever popular, plus it was in Chronicles. Ho-oH I think they are saving for the end.


As for the 10 year old thing, that changed in BW and XY, both main characters being older than 10. (Game wise)

Not to mention that May and Brendan were confirmed to be 12 in OrAs. The Gen I, II, and IV characters I don't believe are confirmed.

shadowmoon522 February 13th, 2016 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sun (Post 9116999)
I've had some in-game related speculations when it comes to letting little boys and girls leave home at a young age. Perhaps age 10 is already considered as young adults in the Pokemon world? It might sound funny, but things work differently in real life as well, right? Some places consider 18 as the legal age of adult and some 21. Soo when you think about it, it isn't that strange. (:

depends on the type of legal age, there are 12 of them:
1). Age of criminal responsibility
2). Age of majority
3). Age of maturity
4). Age of candidacy
5). Age of consent
6). Legal drinking age
7). Legal working age
8). Marriageable age
9). Retirement age
10). School leaving age
11). Smoking age
12). Voting age

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 1:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9117249)
Not to mention that May and Brendan were confirmed to be 12 in OrAs. The Gen I, II, and IV characters I don't believe are confirmed.

Which makes you wonder why they are scared to age Ash from 10. Though I think if BW never happened the whole Ash being 10 thing would not exist since to me it is clear he ages from OS To DP. Not saying many years pass but to me it just felt and looked he was growing up. Even if it was like he was 12 or 13 in DP. Like in OS he was more naive and battled by not always thinking while in AGH and DP and even XY he goes from some kid who is a noob and brash to thinking about ways to win and even in XY acts like a big brother in away Brock did.


As for the 2016 game I really do hope they bring back the story concept they did for BW and BW2. So if you had played BW memories were shown in BW.










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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9117256)
depends on the type of legal age, there are 12 of them:
1). Age of criminal responsibility
2). Age of majority
3). Age of maturity
4). Age of candidacy
5). Age of consent
6). Legal drinking age
7). Legal working age
8). Marriageable age
9). Retirement age
10). School leaving age
11). Smoking age
12). Voting age

I am curious on what if someone over 18 sleeps with someone under 18 but the age they person is it legal where they live but they go to a state where it is illegal. would the 18 plus before in trouble?

shadowmoon522 February 13th, 2016 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9117323)
I am curious on what if someone over 18 sleeps with someone under 18 but the age they person is it legal where they live but they go to a state where it is illegal. would the 18 plus before in trouble?

depends, there are times when the people in the area just don't give a flying fish including the parents. i know someone who knocked up a girl who was a teenager in a different state then this one when he was 30 and is still free because no one bothered to press charges on him.
regardless, how its set up in my state is unusual because the legal age of consent is 16, but one could still get charged with corruption of minors and/or be placed on megan's list if the parents(or the boy/girl) press chargers or scream rape.
also i'm pretty sure that it works the same way between states as it dose if someone from California moves to a part of japan where under 18 is legal: namely they'd sill be bound by the US laws on the matter thus making it so that if anyone in japan from California sleeps with someone under the age of 18 they could still end up charged for it.
regardless, i'm no lawyer so i can't really say much more then this more then likely a case-to-case thing.

not sure why anyone above the age of 20 would even bother with anyone under 18 unless they where unaware of the fact. to much drama to be bothered with regardless of the laws of consent.

Iceshadow3317 February 13th, 2016 1:51 PM

Any if by some amazing chance this was 6.5 how many pokemon do you think would be added? I don't think more than 30 would. Maybe a max of 40. What would South Kalos be though? We have Coastal, Mountain, and Central, and the southern half looks like it would have mountains and maybe another body of water.

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9117357)
depends, there are times when the people in the area just don't give a flying fish including the parents. i know someone who knocked up a girl who was a teenager in a different state then this one when he was 30 and is still free because no one bothered to press charges on him.
regardless, how its set up in my state is unusual because the legal age of consent is 16, but one could still get charged with corruption of minors and/or be placed on megan's list if the parents(or the boy/girl) press chargers or scream rape.
also i'm pretty sure that it works the same way between states as it dose if someone from California moves to a part of japan where under 18 is legal: namely they'd sill be bound by the US laws on the matter thus making it so that if anyone in japan from California sleeps with someone under the age of 18 they could still end up charged for it.
regardless, i'm no lawyer so i can't really say much more then this more then likely a case-to-case thing.

not sure why anyone above the age of 20 would even bother with anyone under 18 unless they where unaware of the fact. to much drama to be bothered with regardless of the laws of consent.

Well I learned in school it is only natural for someone to find anyone who hit puberty "sexual" since it is human nature and puberty is a sign of the point where it happens. Whether it is morally wrong is another story but going by instinct is viewed as normal. Factoring that some 20 and 30 years old can look 14 and 15 and vice versa it is sticky terrotiy. My college is like %80 full of people who look 13+ but are late 20s and older.

But bringing it back to pokemon I always viewed it was the journey was school in a way which is a cool concept. Since for me hands on makes me learn way better than lectures or books.


I am curious if South Kalos is a thing if they would even do gyms or try something new. Like would they really give Kalos 8 new gyms or make the plot different? Maybe say the south was full of Team Flare and was very dangerous to go but now that they are gone it is safe?

Sun February 13th, 2016 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117359)
Any if by some amazing chance this was 6.5 how many pokemon do you think would be added? I don't think more than 30 would. Maybe a max of 40. What would South Kalos be though? We have Coastal, Mountain, and Central, and the southern half looks like it would have mountains and maybe another body of water.

27 (including Magiana) is perfect. I said 27 not 30, because Volcanion, Diancie and Hoopa are already released. Hopefully there's only 2 mythical Pokemon, along Magiana. 27 + 72 =100. ;)

I don't think they have specific names for certain districts and areas in the past, with the obvious exceptions of certain cheap islands. As for the Pokedex, they can go lazy and simply call it Southern Kalos dex. :D I care less about the name, there's no need for fancy names.

Iceshadow3317 February 13th, 2016 3:01 PM

If South Kalos is a thing, I have a feeling they will handle it in a similar manner as BW2. Closing off the starting area until post game. And then making us start in South Kalos. However, I am not sure it can be handled like BW2 as easily.

I don't think there would be 8 new gyms. Maybe 1 or 2 new gyms. And close off 1 or 2 others.

As for the plot, it would probably be a continuation of Team Flare or more history about AZ and the 3000 year war. Or South Kalos tries to start a war with the other parts of Kalos because of Team Flare.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117442)
If South Kalos is a thing, I have a feeling they will handle it in a similar manner as BW2. Closing off the starting area until post game. And then making us start in South Kalos. However, I am not sure it can be handled like BW2 as easily.

I don't think there would be 8 new gyms. Maybe 1 or 2 new gyms. And close off 1 or 2 others.

As for the plot, it would probably be a continuation of Team Flare or more history about AZ and the 3000 year war. Or South Kalos tries to start a war with the other parts of Kalos because of Team Flare.

The funny thing is that the second most southern town in XY is Vaniville (I think that was the starting town's name)

WingsofBliss February 13th, 2016 5:14 PM

I would actually like to start in Lumiose City for once. I don't know why, but yeah. I'm thinking of like if they have you backtrack through Lumiose a few times to traverse certain routes, like for a detour or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9117606)
I would actually like to start in Lumiose City for once. I don't know why, but yeah. I'm thinking of like if they have you backtrack through Lumiose a few times to traverse certain routes, like for a detour or something.

Didn't one of the rivals' family live there? I think it was the Dex guy's family irc.

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 5:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9117606)
I would actually like to start in Lumiose City for once. I don't know why, but yeah. I'm thinking of like if they have you backtrack through Lumiose a few times to traverse certain routes, like for a detour or something.

Would make sense. You do backtrack a lot in the game to it and it seems as the hub city in the anime

Z25 February 13th, 2016 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117359)
Any if by some amazing chance this was 6.5 how many pokemon do you think would be added? I don't think more than 30 would. Maybe a max of 40. What would South Kalos be though? We have Coastal, Mountain, and Central, and the southern half looks like it would have mountains and maybe another body of water.

I'd say 30 minimum, 70 maximum( if they wanted to double XY's amount)

I could see 30 more and have it be on par with Johto.

As for where we start, I could see two things playing out:

The same town as XY,
Except the north part would be blocked off, and a new path through the start would open up. Maybe we take a cave?

If in Luminous, they could brings us through underground Luminous, and then the other area's are blocked off until later.

The underground could lead to the southern Kalos and then we work our way around. They could also switch up the gym order if they wanted to. Maybe have the original kalos leaders be the Kanto of this? We have a new set of leaders, then we work our way around to the originals after the E4?

Sun February 13th, 2016 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117442)
If South Kalos is a thing, I have a feeling they will handle it in a similar manner as BW2. Closing off the starting area until post game. And then making us start in South Kalos. However, I am not sure it can be handled like BW2 as easily.

I don't think there would be 8 new gyms. Maybe 1 or 2 new gyms. And close off 1 or 2 others.

As for the plot, it would probably be a continuation of Team Flare or more history about AZ and the 3000 year war. Or South Kalos tries to start a war with the other parts of Kalos because of Team Flare.

Yass, gimme a Dark-type Gym, Poison Gym and Ramus' Grass Gym as the final Gym. Ice can be a final Gym, so why not the Grass-type? They will need to kick out Korrina the spotlight stealing squad along her canines and Olympia the basic and boring.

Prequel of Team Flare please, not continuation.

Vaniville as the final destination though, unless we are dying over there it's a pointless place to go to. ;) Not to mention that Route 1 is awful.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 8:16 PM

People think that Kalos will look like a Hexagon with a south portion added, but if they add all of France to Kalos it'll still look like a Pentagon as France is kind of Pentagonal in real life.
Actually perfect Zygarde's head is kind of shaped like a Pentagon... and 50%'s head kind of looks like an upside down pentagon. It's most noticeable in it's official art work. https://bignadaquasar.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/f725a-zygarde_by_theangryaron-d6pgnq4.png

Iceshadow3317 February 13th, 2016 8:54 PM

It would be nice to start in Lumiouse. I would love for each section to have its own story and then they all combine into one story and we have to revisit areas again.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 9:24 PM

I'm thinking that Z might not be a typical third version... Perhaps it'll be at first an interquel, one where the adventure ends up going south instead of north. With southern Kalos having it's own league. In the south we could get the tale behind how Flare got Xerneas and Yvetal, and perhaps an extended role for Malva. Perhaps Malva was the one in charge of southern Kalos.


Sun vmed me about something Blue (member here) found on 4Chan. Masuda apparently went to southern France for what he said was to "study". Which seems like perhaps southern Kalos will be a thing.
Here's the link http://4archive.org/board/vp/thread/24813349

During WW II the Nazi's occupied northern France, while southern France was a puppet. Perhaps if Flare is indeed based on the Nazi's, then Flare's role in southern Kalos could be different. Their main area of activity is to the north, but in the south they can play more of a hidden, behind the scenes role.


Edit: So I plotted the places that Masuda went to and noticed that they are all in deep southern france. Could this be more for a future region...

WingsofBliss February 14th, 2016 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sun (Post 9117721)
Yass, gimme a Dark-type Gym

We have waited 20 years too long for this, my friend. If they don't do this now or in Gen 7, I'll starve myself in protest.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9117807)
Sun vmed me about something Blue (member here) found on 4Chan. Masuda apparently went to southern France for what he said was to "study". Which seems like perhaps southern Kalos will be a thing.
Here's the link http://4archive.org/board/vp/thread/24813349

During WW II the Nazi's occupied northern France, while southern France was a puppet. Perhaps if Flare is indeed based on the Nazi's, then Flare's role in southern Kalos could be different. Their main area of activity is to the north, but in the south they can play more of a hidden, behind the scenes role.


Edit: So I plotted the places that Masuda went to and noticed that they are all in deep southern france. Could this be more for a future region...

I remember reading about that in another forum during that August timeframe. Unfortunately, a lot of people in the "anti-Gen 6.5/Southern Kalos" group had immediately shot it down in a flame war and pretty much buried it in the discussion, so it was kind of hard to find.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 14th, 2016 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9117938)
We have waited 20 years too long for this, my friend. If they don't do this now or in Gen 7, I'll starve myself in protest.



I remember reading about that in another forum during that August timeframe. Unfortunately, a lot of people in the "anti-Gen 6.5/Southern Kalos" group had immediately shot it down in a flame war and pretty much buried it in the discussion, so it was kind of hard to find.

Actually, it's 17 years since it was one of the new types in GS, but even that's too long.


Though, I'm getting the feeling that it'll be a different region instead of Kalos. Japan got four regions (five counting Fiore), while the US got two (counting Orre which is based on Arizona according to official sources), so another one based on France is possible.

Light and Darkness Dragon February 14th, 2016 12:23 AM

I really cannot take speculating Z/7 anymore. I'm going insane. I need to know if we are getting Z or 7.

Kanimi February 14th, 2016 4:27 AM

I'm new to Pokemon games on 3DS as I only ever played emulated fire red and leaf green. Could someone please explain to me the concept of 3rd Pokemon game, Z? Like, will we still have the same Pokemon from XY + more from Z or will there be new Pokemon set? Will I be able to transfer Z Pokemon into XY for breeding with shiny charm or not? I am a bit confused by the concept.

destinedjagold February 14th, 2016 6:06 AM

Sooo... I saw a post on reddit that there's going to be another new PKMN reveal later this Wednesday. Not sure if it's true or not. :3

Source

James169 February 14th, 2016 6:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 9117652)
I'd say 30 minimum, 70 maximum( if they wanted to double XY's amount)

I could see 30 more and have it be on par with Johto.

As for where we start, I could see two things playing out:

The same town as XY,
Except the north part would be blocked off, and a new path through the start would open up. Maybe we take a cave?

If in Luminous, they could brings us through underground Luminous, and then the other area's are blocked off until later.

The underground could lead to the southern Kalos and then we work our way around. They could also switch up the gym order if they wanted to. Maybe have the original kalos leaders be the Kanto of this? We have a new set of leaders, then we work our way around to the originals after the E4?

Not sure about the rest, but the underground Lumiose part would be interesting. Seeing as Lumiose is the Poké equivalent of Paris and Paris has the Catacombs that run underneath. This could be implemented as a cave area full of ghosts, or even as one of the Pokémon graveyard type places that have been in past games.

Hiatus February 14th, 2016 6:13 AM

I kind of wish they would give us a second region this time around (in which we start our game), as it's been a while since we've had something like it.

Nah February 14th, 2016 6:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by destinedjagold (Post 9118193)
Sooo... I saw a post on reddit that there's going to be another new PKMN reveal later this Wednesday. Not sure if it's true or not. :3

Source

Like it says in the comments on that post, it could just be about Magiana, and that Serebii just has a somewhat poorly constructed sentence.

Nekaku February 14th, 2016 6:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9117807)
I'm thinking that Z might not be a typical third version... Perhaps it'll be at first an interquel, one where the adventure ends up going south instead of north. With southern Kalos having it's own league. In the south we could get the tale behind how Flare got Xerneas and Yvetal, and perhaps an extended role for Malva. Perhaps Malva was the one in charge of southern Kalos.


Sun vmed me about something Blue (member here) found on 4Chan. Masuda apparently went to southern France for what he said was to "study". Which seems like perhaps southern Kalos will be a thing.
Here's the link http://4archive.org/board/vp/thread/24813349

During WW II the Nazi's occupied northern France, while southern France was a puppet. Perhaps if Flare is indeed based on the Nazi's, then Flare's role in southern Kalos could be different. Their main area of activity is to the north, but in the south they can play more of a hidden, behind the scenes role.


Edit: So I plotted the places that Masuda went to and noticed that they are all in deep southern france. Could this be more for a future region...

I have had this thought for ages. Seems with BW2 he wanted to break away from the regular 3rd version plus he said in 2014 Z was too predictable and with the year off I can see it being for making "Z" better and needing more time to add stuff over just minor tweaks. I am hoping to see a reveal before E3 but even E3 is not too far.


If Maginia is shown officially soon imagine if the new game is shown alongside it XD At the very least we should find out if it is a legendary and if it is Gen 7 which that alone will be a nice confirmation.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 14th, 2016 8:34 AM

Perhaps Magiana will be a bonus legendary of sorts if it's not Gen 6.5 or 7. Or perhaps if it is Gen 7 it'll get an event like Zoroark and Zorua in BW. Well, they can do that even if it's Gen 6 Bonus or full blown 6.5.

Nekaku February 14th, 2016 8:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9118333)
Perhaps Magiana will be a bonus legendary of sorts if it's not Gen 6.5 or 7. Or perhaps if it is Gen 7 it'll get an event like Zoroark and Zorua in BW. Well, they can do that even if it's Gen 6 Bonus or full blown 6.5.

If it is Gen 6 that will be pretty interesting. I kinda hope it is 6.5 and South Kalos is not done for Gen 7 just due to the chance of Gen 7 being on NX and I am guessing a big graphic overhaul will happen. Would just be weird to have Gen 6 on a SD system with while Gen 7 would be on a HD system and who knows what style it will have in terms of looks. So yeah I am all for South Kalos don't get me wrong but I would rather have it as 6.5 for Z over Gen 7. Actually it would be really fun to have for Z. :) Dang it Mr.Masuda give us hints!

ZafirChad February 14th, 2016 10:17 AM

I've read in another forum where Magiana's inspriation could be, other than only looking similar to Diancie.
They took some liberties with historical accuracy, but Magiana's "dress" and overall style is a mix of 16th Century Fashion and Victorian Era Fashion in France, with the rounded shoulders and the golden frills respectively. Further more, Automata were widely popular in 1600s France, and they were the harbringer of the Industrial Revolution within Europe. Volcanion the steam Pokemon, and Magiana the Man Made Pokemon, an automaton. Steam and Machinery, the basic components for the advancement of technology.
Another thing to consider is that the gear is based on either a Gabet Hood(a wired multicornered hood) or a French Hood.Both are worn from the midsection of the head and go around, much like the gear.

I had a sense it looks much like some sort of secret Kalos mythical Pokemon to me. Now to just see the official reveal of Magiana later on today if it comes..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 14th, 2016 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZafirChad (Post 9118442)
I've read in another forum where Magiana's inspriation could be, other than only looking similar to Diancie.
They took some liberties with historical accuracy, but Magiana's "dress" and overall style is a mix of 16th Century Fashion and Victorian Era Fashion in France, with the rounded shoulders and the golden frills respectively. Further more, Automata were widely popular in 1600s France, and they were the harbringer of the Industrial Revolution within Europe. Volcanion the steam Pokemon, and Magiana the Man Made Pokemon, an automaton. Steam and Machinery, the basic components for the advancement of technology.
Another thing to consider is that the gear is based on either a Gabet Hood(a wired multicornered hood) or a French Hood.Both are worn from the midsection of the head and go around, much like the gear.

I had a sense it looks much like some sort of secret Kalos mythical Pokemon to me. Now to just see the official reveal of Magiana later on today if it comes..

It likely is based on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakuri_puppet
It's a Japanese Automata. Along with some inspiration from the moon rabbit legend based on it's rabbit shaped ears.

WingsofBliss February 14th, 2016 12:34 PM

I know that one thing is certain... the reveal of a brand-new Pokemon in the midst of Zygarde, Volcanion, and the 20th anniversary hype has made the wait for a new game even more agonizing than it's been before. At least to me anyways... it's starting to feel like the calm before the hype storm.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 14th, 2016 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9118595)
I know that one thing is certain... the reveal of a brand-new Pokemon in the midst of Zygarde, Volcanion, and the 20th anniversary hype has made the wait for a new game even more agonizing than it's been before. At least to me anyways... it's starting to feel like the calm before the hype storm.

It's odd that the official site hasn't updated with the info on Magiana yet...

Edit: Well it seems like last month's issue's stuff was also updated on the 15th here in the west, so perhaps they changed they time it normally updates so that corocoro will be out by then.

ZafirChad February 14th, 2016 2:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9117753)
People think that Kalos will look like a Hexagon with a south portion added, but if they add all of France to Kalos it'll still look like a Pentagon as France is kind of Pentagonal in real life.
Actually perfect Zygarde's head is kind of shaped like a Pentagon... and 50%'s head kind of looks like an upside down pentagon. It's most noticeable in it's official art work. https://bignadaquasar.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/f725a-zygarde_by_theangryaron-d6pgnq4.png

Oh, I knew those inspirations were there for Magiana. Thought it'll be nice to add these as part of it.

If that's the case, how come Zygarde only has hexagons glowing in it's body rather than pentagons? 50% form would've had pentagons instead of hexagons if it's going to represent Kalos by the shape. You don't see any signs of pentagons in the core,cells, and 10%. And there are more hexagons in the latter forms than anything else.

Z25 February 14th, 2016 2:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James169 (Post 9118197)
Not sure about the rest, but the underground Lumiose part would be interesting. Seeing as Lumiose is the Poké equivalent of Paris and Paris has the Catacombs that run underneath. This could be implemented as a cave area full of ghosts, or even as one of the Pokémon graveyard type places that have been in past games.

Going to the catacombs would be cool imo. Plus it provides easier access around the city if they want us to start there. Getting ghost types early on would be pretty nice as well.

Nekaku February 14th, 2016 4:15 PM

Hoping the Pokemon YT page confirms if it is Gen 6 or not tomorrow since they tend to update videos the day Coro comes out.

I want to point out if you go to the channel and go to the video game playlist they have a video set to private :)

adameastment February 14th, 2016 4:27 PM

OK, I've been thinking about Magiana and it got me thinking as to whether the move they are taking with the anime/movies are going to be closely related to the Z game.

I would love to see an older version of Kalos, like a time travel twist and something really cool like trying to find Volcanion and Magiana. That to me would be really awesome.

Especially seeing as Pokemon is trying to "do new things" with their games and that, and maybe setting it 500 years in the past would be really cool - it would tie in with everything thematically from XY.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 14th, 2016 4:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZafirChad (Post 9118637)
Oh, I knew those inspirations were there for Magiana. Thought it'll be nice to add these as part of it.

If that's the case, how come Zygarde only has hexagons glowing in it's body rather than pentagons? 50% form would've had pentagons instead of hexagons if it's going to represent Kalos by the shape. You don't see any signs of pentagons in the core,cells, and 10%. And there are more hexagons in the latter forms than anything else.

Hexagon could be a red herring. France is Pentagon shape, but if they shift the southern tip more south I guess they could make it a hexagon... I think the Pentagon head though is the more important sign. Crowns have a Pentagonal shape to them. Plus the Pentagon represents magic (Fairy). Plus GF made the Blue pentagon for the generational symbol.

Zygarde's hexagons might be a reference to cell membranes (more noticeable in plants' cellwalls).

Edit: Well it seems that France considers itself Hexagon shaped so...yeah Hexagons might be it ;)

Nekaku February 14th, 2016 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adameastment (Post 9118789)
OK, I've been thinking about Magiana and it got me thinking as to whether the move they are taking with the anime/movies are going to be closely related to the Z game.

I would love to see an older version of Kalos, like a time travel twist and something really cool like trying to find Volcanion and Magiana. That to me would be really awesome.

Especially seeing as Pokemon is trying to "do new things" with their games and that, and maybe setting it 500 years in the past would be really cool - it would tie in with everything thematically from XY.

Did they have pokeballs back in those times I wonder

adameastment February 14th, 2016 4:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9118811)
Did they have pokeballs back in those times I wonder

Well, Magiana is stated as being made 500 years ago in the movie. And Kurt tells you that he makes Pokeballs the traditional way in GSC/HGSS using Apricorns which has been a method used for 500 - 700 years.

Nekaku February 14th, 2016 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adameastment (Post 9118816)
Well, Magiana is stated as being made 500 years ago in the movie. And Kurt tells you that he makes Pokeballs the traditional way in GSC/HGSS using Apricorns which has been a method used for 500 - 700 years.

Ah would be an interesting way to get balls.

Also it was confirmed like 10 mins ago Mr.Masuda is going to E3

ZafirChad February 14th, 2016 5:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9118797)
Hexagon could be a red herring. France is Pentagon shape, but if they shift the southern tip more south I guess they could make it a hexagon... I think the Pentagon head though is the more important sign. Crowns have a Pentagonal shape to them. Plus the Pentagon represents magic (Fairy). Plus GF made the Blue pentagon for the generational symbol.

Zygarde's hexagons might be a reference to cell membranes (more noticeable in plants' cellwalls).

Edit: Well it seems that France considers itself Hexagon shaped so...yeah Hexagons might be it ;)

Ah, see? They didn't name themselves "l'hexagone" for nothing! It does serve purpose, and that's why all this time I would really like GF to incorporate this somehow in the next Kalos games (if they can reveal the goddamm games already!) It'll be really sweet and cool, and give Kalos a whole new meaning that many people don't expect to be in "Z"

Now I'm just wondering what's taking their time with Magiana's reveal? I guess tomorrow won't hurt for them..

adameastment February 14th, 2016 5:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9118824)
Ah would be an interesting way to get balls.

Also it was confirmed like 10 mins ago Mr.Masuda is going to E3

Ooh that's cool. I'm seriously hoping for a Z announcement soon and then Gen 7 announcement at E3. I mean, BW2 were announced in the February before a June (Japanese) release. Arguably, XY was announced almost a year later with a late 2013 release...

Do you think Masuda will be announcing Z? Or something else?

RedJ February 14th, 2016 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adameastment (Post 9118816)
Well, Magiana is stated as being made 500 years ago in the movie. And Kurt tells you that he makes Pokeballs the traditional way in GSC/HGSS using Apricorns which has been a method used for 500 - 700 years.

Where did you get that from? From what I'm seeing they haven't been around for anywhere near that long as far as the games are concerned. Drayden even says that they didn't exist when he was a kid, although I guess it's possible that Unova just didn't have them until recently.


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