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MarioManH February 24th, 2016 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by willprogresivo (Post 9131996)
I don't act like anything other than someone who hasn't seen any evidence to back-up claims of future releases. Go is the only thing Nintendo's releasing as of now. STOP over-thinking this.

Alright guy, here's something pulled from Serebii (posted last week) : "In an interview with the Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper, the launch roll-out for Pokémon GO has been revealed. In this interview, Tsunekazu Ishihara, head of the Pokémon Company, says that the app will rollout in Japan, Europe and North America first and then launch in South America, Asia, Africa and the Middle East. No date has been revealed as of yet. In this interview, Mr. Ishihara also stated that they are working on another big project away from Pokémon GO."

So there is a claim for a "future release" aside GO itself, and why would they provide more coverage on a Smartphone game and not a game for their own system? I think you're just on the GO Hype Train and are not thinking straight.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 11:33 AM

By the way once we get news on the new game in a few days will this thread be gone for a new one with confirmed info or are we still using this one? Just checking

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132145)
Doubt they will. I see it only for the main game series myself. Gen 1 release was done last direct and the Youtube channel,GO will be next month,Pokken has enough info already and Detective Pikachu won't get attention due to it being a world direct and it being out in Japan already. I will be shocked and a bit mad if this is not a main game. But as was said my Serebii XY was shown in 1 1/2 mins. The rest was just fluff talking about the series. Since it is only 5 mins I can see Mr.Masuda talking about the 20 years and a trailer plus maybe quick details. Also if this is coming sooner rather than later and truly is not a 3rd version but a 20th anniversary I can see him wanting a few mins at least to show why it is a 20th anniversary game. Like what makes it a 20th anniversary game? Just the fact it is out on the 20th anniversary? Or is there more to that?

It could still be a Third version, despite being the 20th anniversary game, it'll just be a special third version (or sequel/prequel), like Yellow was.

Well it is on the 20th anniversary, so that's one reason. I think they'll add aspects from the other games. Perhaps they'll bring back special features or story aspects, like travelling with your mons like with Pikachu in Yellow (Amity park in DPP, overworld in HgSS), running into the legendary like in Crystal, Battle Frontier from Emerald? or just the concept, another world/realm, PWT. Those kind of small, but lovable things from the past.

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132152)
By the way once we get news on the new game in a few days will this thread be gone for a new one with confirmed info or are we still using this one? Just checking

Likely a new one, but it's hard to say for sure if it is a third version. In the time I've been here (since the end of Gen IV/beginning of Gen V) all the games that have been announced had their own separate forum subsection, and new threads were made to discuss them. Now if it's a third version we'll be using this subforum, and this Thread might still be used.

Juice585 February 24th, 2016 12:06 PM

I still don't know how they'd properly do an "all regions" game, worrying about scaling and all of that....

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Juice585 (Post 9132184)
I still don't know how they'd properly do an "all regions" game, worrying about scaling and all of that....

Thing is people think the idea would be amazing but it would be a huge mess. At least on a console. If Pokemon was on home console they could do something huge. Like a big region that felt like a region. Biggest issue with Pokemon is it feels a lot of the time is one town to the next with a lot of hand holding and felt this began with Gen 5. Gen 1-Gen 4 had interesting regions and terrain and things to do in between. Unova was almost a straight line though BW 2 fixed this in a way. And while XY did not have the same issue the biggest issue was the build up. A lot of stuff went down but once you beat Korrina it felt lackluster. We need this new game to be chocked full of content since at the end of the day the games are really short for a jrpg

beanholestatus February 24th, 2016 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by willprogresivo (Post 9131968)
Your speculations are retarded, that's why. You can literally claim "oh, I think Nintendo will release 20 new Pokèmon games, because it's the 20th anniversary", and it wouldn't make any sense. People claimed Gray would come out, it didn't. Saying Z will is the same thing.

I see no evidence of a new game, however I do see evidence of GO. All I know is FACTS: Pokèmon GO was announced and it's CLEARLY the next-step for Nintendo. They announced they'd get in the smartphone market and shortly after GO was announced. If you ask anyone "hey, what's the next Poèmon game from Nintendo??" the answer is "GO", not "they haven't announced a new game yet".

Lol @willprogresivo are you going to come on here in 3 days and admit you're dumb and wrong? How anyone thinks that Nintendo would spend all this money on the 20th anniversery and NOT put out a main game has no idea about marketing. Of course a main game is coming out, they want your money at the end of the day. GO is not a proven revenue generator, main Pokemon games are, grow up buddy.

Z25 February 24th, 2016 12:57 PM

The direct was great news to wake up to!

It's definitely the 3rd game, and it's definitely going to be big.

It will only show one game( 5 minutes does not give them time to do another really.)

My guess:

1 minute: Welcome by whoever hosts it

2 to 4 minutes in: trailer for 3rd game.

5 minutes: Closing and be sure to stay tuned for more info and to get the VC version of red, blue and yellow.

The fact that this is a direct and not them just posting a video, and they want people to see it live, says a lot.

This is going to be their big project they teased and will most certainly live up to it's hype!

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 1:09 PM

You know what if it is a 3rd game in Kalos but is not Z or what anyone expects. I saw someone say Pokemon W here at one point. Maybe a game focusing on a new war? And instead of gym leaders you take down "generals" and Zygarde is used as a secret weapon but you have one and so does the people who began the war. That or AZ plays a much larger role. Though if they do that I guess it would be a sequal? Idk BW2 just moved to expect the unexpected. Like if they change too much people will complain it is not a 3rd version yet if they stay too close some who were not fans of XY will say it was too much like XY. Oh well less than 48 hours till we get answers. These hours will end up killing me.

Rivvon February 24th, 2016 1:14 PM

As much as I'd like five minutes dedicated to a new game, I don't want to get my hopes up. I'll just take a guess at what I think the Direct's gonna have:

The 1st minute would probably announce some generic 20th anniversary stuff, such as a list of the available event Pokémon distributions, and the upcoming Virtual Console releases.
The 2nd minute could be a reveal for the international release of the detective Pikachu game.
The 3rd minute would be about Pokkén Tournament; perhaps a new fighter reveal.
The 4th minute may have some small bit of information about Pokémon Go. I'm not sure how likely this is, but if there were to be anything about it, it would probably just be something like "Expect some more information around [this timeframe]." If not, they could split this minute to give extra time to the other segments.
And the 5th minute would have the big reveal. It's a lot to cram into 5 minutes, but 5 minutes can be a surprisingly long time, especially when game trailers can be as short as 30 seconds.

But I mean, as long as all 5 minutes aren't dedicated to the detective Pikachu game or something else like that, I'll be content.

Nah February 24th, 2016 1:20 PM

*sigh* omfg people.....

If you see someone being disrespectful or trolling or breaking the rules or whatever, do not respond to them, report their post(s). Responding to them just shits up the thread as much as their posts do, and some of you have been just as bad as the person you're calling out. If you ignore them and report them then I, or Peitharchia, or even an hstaffer if need be, can deal with the problem person/post and the thread moves on much more nicely. You arguing with them does nothing to fix the problem.

I don't want to have to do this, but from this point on in this thread if anyone decides to be an asshole, they will be yellow carded (for disrespect to members), and anyone who responds to said dick will also get yellow carded (for mini-modding or whatever is most appropriate). Do not become my first ever yellow carding.....especially since I have yet to yellow card or infract anyone in the friggin' Round Table.


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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132152)
By the way once we get news on the new game in a few days will this thread be gone for a new one with confirmed info or are we still using this one? Just checking

Would make a new thread if indeed the Direct reveals a new Kalos game.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9132280)
As much as I'd like five minutes dedicated to a new game, I don't want to get my hopes up. I'll just take a guess at what I think the Direct's gonna have:

The 1st minute would probably announce some generic 20th anniversary stuff, such as a list of the available event Pokémon distributions, and the upcoming Virtual Console releases.
The 2nd minute could be a reveal for the international release of the detective Pikachu game.
The 3rd minute would be about Pokkén Tournament; perhaps a new fighter reveal.
The 4th minute may have some small bit of information about Pokémon Go. I'm not sure how likely this is, but if there were to be anything about it, it would probably just be something like "Expect some more information around [this timeframe]." If not, they could split this minute to give extra time to the other segments.
And the 5th minute would have the big reveal. It's a lot to cram into 5 minutes, but 5 minutes can be a surprisingly long time, especially when game trailers can be as short as 30 seconds.

But I mean, as long as all 5 minutes aren't dedicated to the detective Pikachu game or something else like that, I'll be content.

Idk they kinda have been doing the first party the past month and I feel Pokken can have a few surprises. I dislike how they show the entire roster of fighting games before it is even out. Much more fun to unlock and unsure if D Pikachu would take up time since this is not just a usa one and Japan got the game. And with GO having info March 14 they may be saving it. With that said I am not saying the entire thing will be Pokemon (Insert name here) I can see a one minute of Mr.Masuda thanking the fans and maybe two mins for a PKMN JAA 2 thing since a lot of fans want that. With the the rest of the time for the reveal. After looking at past time frames it seems the games besides the first of the gen have shorter gaps. so maybe we get more time with this game since there is more to show and less time in terms of release to do it?

Rivvon February 24th, 2016 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132299)
Idk they kinda have been doing the first party the past month and I feel Pokken can have a few surprises. I dislike how they show the entire roster of fighting games before it is even out. Much more fun to unlock and unsure if D Pikachu would take up time since this is not just a usa one and Japan got the game. And with GO having info March 14 they may be saving it. With that said I am not saying the entire thing will be Pokemon (Insert name here) I can see a one minute of Mr.Masuda thanking the fans and maybe two mins for a PKMN JAA 2 thing since a lot of fans want that. With the the rest of the time for the reveal. After looking at past time frames it seems the games besides the first of the gen have shorter gaps. so maybe we get more time with this game since there is more to show and less time in terms of release to do it?

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if there were some unrevealed fighters for Pokkén; I guess it's just a matter of how big the roster is gonna be which will determine if we get a reveal or not.

And that's very true, I hadn't considered that it was a worldwide Direct. That's fine with me--nothing against the detective Pikachu game, but I'd personally rather get info about other titles right now.

Yeah I get what you mean with the "less time to reveal info between now and the supposed release." I do think it's possible for them to dedicate more than a minute to the reveal, and it would make sense if it comes out before Fall--and if they did, that would be so awesome--but again, it's just that I don't want to get my hopes up. I really don't want to feel disappointed by Friday, because that wouldn't be a good way to start the hype train ride.

Liberal Army February 24th, 2016 2:17 PM

After all those months of speculation, all those months of discussion and all those months of shattered hopes, I'm confident we're finally getting our third version this friday.
Game with all regions? Nah
7th gen? Hell no
New, innovative third version? Hell yes

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberal Army (Post 9132359)
After all those months of speculation, all those months of discussion and all those months of shattered hopes, I'm confident we're finally getting our third version this friday.
Game with all regions? Nah
7th gen? Hell no
New, innovative third version? Hell yes

TBH gen 7 is more likely than a 3rd version. Or at least typical 3rd versions. I am leaning more towards sequels or non direct sequels in the terms new adventure but not connected so much to XY.

I doubt GF would go back to the enhanced version after all the praise they got from people with BW2 over a typical Grey and I have to wonder if a simple 3rd version would truly get this kind of hype over a simple trailer out of the blue. I mean Gen 3 remakes were wanted by tons of people and that just got a trailer nobody saw coming. A 3rd version is a lot less demanded and yet a Direct for Pokemon is happening. Not saying that leak about a 20th game is true but the timing is a bit odd. Got the leak on Monday and a Direct the same week. We have about 30 odd hours till the official reveal and I guess all we can do is hope it is something a lot of the fanbase will enjoy.

Enhanced versions were fun back when it was a Pokemon thing but now that so much games do enhanced versions the concept s pretty meh. Especially in the day of dlc

WingsofBliss February 24th, 2016 2:55 PM

Pokemon.com says to check their website after the conclusion of the Direct.

Is it Friday yet?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIwEZlOzp4

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9132400)
Pokemon.com says to check their website after the conclusion of the Direct.

Is it Friday yet?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIwEZlOzp4

Sure getting hype. Besides XY do they ever hype these?

Z25 February 24th, 2016 3:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9132400)
Pokemon.com says to check their website after the conclusion of the Direct.

Is it Friday yet?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIwEZlOzp4

I mean this is to be expected.

But they way they are hyping this, I'm definitely thinking we are getting Gen 6.5.
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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132413)
Sure getting hype. Besides XY do they ever hype these?

No they are just announced out of nowhere.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 3:47 PM

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 9132439)
I mean this is to be expected.

But they way they are hyping this, I'm definitely thinking we are getting Gen 6.5.


No they are just announced out of nowhere.

So the direct was never announced? It just happened?

WingsofBliss February 24th, 2016 4:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132462)
So the direct was never announced? It just happened?

Nope, it was announced. All Directs are usually give a notice beforehand, sometimes only the day before.

This one is definitely getting a lot of hype from all official Twitter accounts and websites. Masuda himself is doing it too, so I highly doubt this is related to any spin-offs or mobile apps. There's also Magearna's reveal a couple weeks ago that we kind of need to keep in mind too.

Which reminds me... exactly what kind of game are we gonna get? I don't think we're quite ready to move on to Gen 7 yet, but they wouldn't be making a Pokemon-dedicated Direct for a standard 3rd version "Z" either. The last time we had a Pokemon Direct, it looked at the history of Pokemon and then announced X/Y. Right now, we got the 20th anniversary, Magearna, and Zygarde Formes to play around with.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 4:40 PM

I will be so happy if this game is them listening to the fans over the years. Now I know it won't have all the regions or anything but maybe pokemon following you again,good post game and overhaul of the plot. So like no gyms or league. I remember when BW2 was around I thought you would instead fight the 7 sages getting orbs from them to use to unlock Kyurem. The concept may seem like gyms but it would be different. One thing I would love is more difficult puzzles. Like the gym leader puzzles are way too easy.

janejane6178 February 24th, 2016 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132495)
I will be so happy if this game is them listening to the fans over the years. Now I know it won't have all the regions or anything but maybe pokemon following you again,good post game and overhaul of the plot. So like no gyms or league. I remember when BW2 was around I thought you would instead fight the 7 sages getting orbs from them to use to unlock Kyurem. The concept may seem like gyms but it would be different. One thing I would love is more difficult puzzles. Like the gym leader puzzles are way too easy.

I love your ideas =]
Omg I wonder which game its gonna be.. i LOVE following new games news ( not spin off's tho) <3

Rivvon February 24th, 2016 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9132476)
Which reminds me... exactly what kind of game are we gonna get? I don't think we're quite ready to move on to Gen 7 yet, but they wouldn't be making a Pokemon-dedicated Direct for a standard 3rd version "Z" either. The last time we had a Pokemon Direct, it looked at the history of Pokemon and then announced X/Y. Right now, we got the 20th anniversary, Magearna, and Zygarde Formes to play around with.

I think because of how long it's been since the last main series game release, coupled with the fact that it's the 20th anniversary, they'll make a Direct for whatever it is we get next, even a 3rd version. I mean, XY were your "standard first two entires of the gen" and they got a Direct. They didn't even reveal that Mega Evolution and Fairy-Type were a thing in that Direct. If this is a 3rd version with more Megas, new facilities, etc., they could very well dedicate a Direct to it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 5:16 PM

Yeah, besides the long awaited Hoenn remakes only got a 30 second clip with the names...

Z25 February 24th, 2016 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132462)
So the direct was never announced? It just happened?

I mean the other recent titles were just announced out of nowhere( like ORAS), the direct's had notice and was for XY which was a pretty big step for pokemon.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by janejane6178 (Post 9132517)
I love your ideas =]
Omg I wonder which game its gonna be.. i LOVE following new games news ( not spin off's tho) <3

Yeah I truly hope the days of 3rd versions are done not just for Pokemon but for all games. The whole GotY edition and definitive editions are kinda going a bit crazy in the past few years. Besides sequels are just more fun. Thing with XY is it could totally get away with sequels out of any of the gens due to to have lots of things unanswered. Like one of the biggest things is where AZ will go since the end of XY did not explain too much. XY left a chunk of unanswered things and in a way Episode Delta did too that could lead into XY2 or something. Plus with enough content for the anniversary it could surpass BW2

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 5:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132551)
Yeah I truly hope the days of 3rd versions are done not just for Pokemon but for all games. The whole GotY edition and definitive editions are kinda going a bit crazy in the past few years. Besides sequels are just more fun. Thing with XY is it could totally get away with sequels out of any of the gens due to to have lots of things unanswered. Like one of the biggest things is where AZ will go since the end of XY did not explain too much. XY left a chunk of unanswered things and in a way Episode Delta did too that could lead into XY2 or something. Plus with enough content for the anniversary it could surpass BW2

I think that GF left the door open to 3rd versions by not doing DLC, not even the free kind (they said they wouldn't like doing paid DLC). If they had DLC then the desire for 3rd versions would vanish.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9132585)
I think that GF left the door open to 3rd versions by not doing DLC, not even the free kind (they said they wouldn't like doing paid DLC). If they had DLC then the desire for 3rd versions would vanish.

That is my point. In a world of DLC 3rd versions are kinda pointless making me wonder if that was one of the reasons to BW2. Platinum was 2008 and I don't think DLC was a big thing or even out till 2009. Of course I can't move this theory just yet. While we got sequels in Gen 5 it is too soon to say. Though if we don't get 3rd versions this gen I think it is safe to say the concept is gone. Though in a way Victini event was in a way DLC if you think about it. Used a code to get an event you could not get normally in BW.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132605)
That is my point. In a world of DLC 3rd versions are kinda pointless making me wonder if that was one of the reasons to BW2. Platinum was 2008 and I don't think DLC was a big thing or even out till 2009. Of course I can't move this theory just yet. While we got sequels in Gen 5 it is too soon to say. Though if we don't get 3rd versions this gen I think it is safe to say the concept is gone. Though in a way Victini event was in a way DLC if you think about it. Used a code to get an event you could not get normally in BW.

DS games had no DLC, so even if they wanted to, BW couldn't have any. Looking at it that way Mew would've been DLC, which it's not as it's not downloadable, it more of an unlock. Sadly it seems that GF didn't make XYOrAs with Dlc in mind, especially XY. Maybe to prevent Nintendo from pestering them about it. If they had we would've gotten theOrAs mega stones in XY, or at least the ability to trade them over. People call this patch, but those are to fix glitches. Dlc is more accurate for such an addition.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 6:21 PM

You know let's go with it being a 3rd version with lots of stuff for the 20th anniversary like Kalos 6.5 Pokemon O makes a lot of sense over Z since O is the center where XY meet on a graph and it is the center and the middle is the center while the middle of Gen 6 would truly be 6.5. :)

Though that old rumor about plus and minus is making sense if you want to go with negative and positive numbers on a graph. Maybe for Gen 7? Which is weird since that rumor predicted a hybrid system like the NX is rumored to be.... Interesting.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 7:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132628)
You know let's go with it being a 3rd version with lots of stuff for the 20th anniversary like Kalos 6.5 Pokemon O makes a lot of sense over Z since O is the center where XY meet on a graph and it is the center and the middle is the center while the middle of Gen 6 would truly be 6.5. :)

Though that old rumor about plus and minus is making sense if you want to go with negative and positive numbers on a graph. Maybe for Gen 7? Which is weird since that rumor predicted a hybrid system like the NX is rumored to be.... Interesting.

Or 0 (zero). It's possible, but it'll be nice if they used the third axis, seeing how they admited that XY were named after the axis, plus 3D is made up of XYZ. In a way Pokemon XYZ would be a more creative way of calling the Kalos games Pokemon 3D, hey maybe it'll be called that if not Z.

Z25 February 24th, 2016 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132628)
You know let's go with it being a 3rd version with lots of stuff for the 20th anniversary like Kalos 6.5 Pokemon O makes a lot of sense over Z since O is the center where XY meet on a graph and it is the center and the middle is the center while the middle of Gen 6 would truly be 6.5. :)

Though that old rumor about plus and minus is making sense if you want to go with negative and positive numbers on a graph. Maybe for Gen 7? Which is weird since that rumor predicted a hybrid system like the NX is rumored to be.... Interesting.

It's funny you bring this up!

I was thinking about plus and minus earlier. What if it just showed up in the direct?

A lot of it's points are interesting and could make for a good 20th anniversary game if touched upon.

It incorporates things GF wanted, simplifies the battle system, and more. It could feel like a reboot and love letter to the fans because it gives them things they've wanted.

Plus it's been two years since it first popped up, and barely anyone remembers it.

If its somehow real, it makes sense that it be on the NX with what we know about it. Perhaps it will launch on Wii U first, then NX?

Like Twilight Princess did, and zelda U seems to be doing.

It''s still probably fake, but really funny how a lot of it's info makes sense with what we seen them trying to do today.

It also could work as a Kalos sequel, if done right and align with the strange souvenir and the statement about how they want the next game after XY to be very different then what we expect.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9132672)
Or 0 (zero). It's possible, but it'll be nice if they used the third axis, seeing how they admited that XY were named after the axis, plus 3D is made up of XYZ. In a way Pokemon XYZ would be a more creative way of calling the Kalos games Pokemon 3D, hey maybe it'll be called that if not Z.

That would make more sense tbh than just Z. Plus even if the plot is not even Zygarde focused but instead maybe Kalos 2.5 that would not hurt the anime compared to if it was Z and was just a 3rd version. Though Pokemon Zero just sounds cool :)

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 9132694)
It's funny you bring this up!

I was thinking about plus and minus earlier. What if it just showed up in the direct?

A lot of it's points are interesting and could make for a good 20th anniversary game if touched upon.

It incorporates things GF wanted, simplifies the battle system, and more. It could feel like a reboot and love letter to the fans because it gives them things they've wanted.

Plus it's been two years since it first popped up, and barely anyone remembers it.

If its somehow real, it makes sense that it be on the NX with what we know about it. Perhaps it will launch on Wii U first, then NX?

Like Twilight Princess did, and zelda U seems to be doing.

It''s still probably fake, but really funny how a lot of it's info makes sense with what we seen them trying to do today.

It also could work as a Kalos sequel, if done right and align with the strange souvenir and the statement about how they want the next game after XY to be very different then what we expect.


Having the new game on Wii U as a sort of transition to NX would be interesting. Would truly be a 20th anniversary game since people have wanted a Pokemon main game for years. If it was a mix of main series mixed with Col/GoD that could be amazing. Also would let GF have a go at doing a main console HD JRPG before going full fledged with Gen 7. Even if NX is part handheld Vita has shown us handhelds can be on par with home console games. Plus it could be like Kingdom Hearts. How the game has home console and handheld games and they are all canon.

Pinkie-Dawn February 24th, 2016 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132495)
I will be so happy if this game is them listening to the fans over the years.

Bleh! I hate it when companies try to listen to the fans, because let's be honest, the fanbase has no clue of what they really wanted, especially on how divisive they can be. Plus it'll show that Game Freak has run out of ideas and are now resorting to only fan ideas for gameplay features. It's how Sonic became a huge mess that it is today. It's things like this is why I hope the third version is Gen 6.5, as well as the NX revealed to be not what the rumors described it to be and how the "fans" wish it would be.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9132719)
Bleh! I hate it when companies try to listen to the fans, because let's be honest, the fanbase has no clue of what they really wanted, especially on how divisive they can be. Plus it'll show that Game Freak has run out of ideas and are now resorting to only fan ideas for gameplay features. It's how Sonic became a huge mess that it is today. It's things like this is why I hope the third version is Gen 6.5, as well as the NX revealed to be not what the rumors described it to be and how the "fans" wish it would be.

Not true at all. At this rate fans could make better games than GF can. GF is true afraid to try new things and that is what Pokemon needs. Fresh concepts. In a way they kinda have run out of ideas since most of the ideas are rinse and repeat at this point. Which is the main reason I hope it is not Pokemon Z. Most fans want a change over the typical 8 badges,evil team and league concept let alone a 3rd version of a sub par story. Sonic only became a mess due to the handling of the games post the 2D era. That and Sonic fans just being very "interesting" people. *Flashback to Magfest 2015* Either way evidence of not just rumors but other things are pointing towards NX being a fusion let alone the fact Miyamoto liked the idea and hinting to it before NX was even announced almost a year ago.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 7:54 PM

Z is a cool name. Could just be Zero (it has a Z!) for double meaning.

Pinkie-Dawn February 24th, 2016 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132732)
Not true at all. At this rate fans could make better games than GF can. GF is true afraid to try new things and that is what Pokemon needs. Fresh concepts. In a way they kinda have run out of ideas since most of the ideas are rinse and repeat at this point. Which is the main reason I hope it is not Pokemon Z. Most fans want a change over the typical 8 badges,evil team and league concept let alone a 3rd version of a sub par story. Sonic only became a mess due to the handling of the games post the 2D era. That and Sonic fans just being very "interesting" people. *Flashback to Magfest 2015* Either way evidence of not just rumors but other things are pointing towards NX being a fusion let alone the fact Miyamoto liked the idea and hinting to it before NX was even announced almost a year ago.

Taking ideas from fans is never a good thing; ORAS happened because of fan demand, and look how that turned out. Not only does it limit a company's creativity, but there's also the issue of lawsuit if a companies in general, not just Game Freak, ever try to use a fan's idea. You just have to pray that one of their ideas they came up with in-house coincides with a fan's idea to avoid any possible lawsuit. The image I showed you about how the three systems parallel with tablets, smartphones, and PC should tell you that NX may not be a fusion but possibly a PC system, which obviously the mainline Pokémon games won't be moving to (only the 3DS's successor).

MarioManH February 24th, 2016 8:58 PM

If the Direct does announce a new game (which is most likely the case), I hope said game will have a far bigger post-story game than what we were given with X/Y & ORAS. Perhaps new features to be introduced? (Like the PWT was to B2&W2 or as the Battle Frontier was to Emerald).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 9:40 PM

I'm hoping for a BF style post game, maybe some new areas are unlocked post game like how we could visit East Unova in BW only after we defeated Ghetsis.

MarioManH February 24th, 2016 9:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9132844)
I'm hoping for a BF style post game, maybe some new areas are unlocked post game like how we could visit East Unova in BW only after we defeated Ghetsis.

I'm honestly hoping for something on the scale of visiting a second region (Like G/S/C/HG/SS). There was so much given to us with the inclusion of Kanto that it made the game seem like you only completed a solid 50% of it when you beat the Elite Four for the first time. Then on top of that you're given the challenge to fight Red, which is pretty damn cool. I'm not saying they should add Hoenn (God I would love this though, even though ORAS came out 1 1/2 years ago) or another old region, but just something to that nature that would give us so much more to do. Hopefully they don't throw in a PWT and expect that willl sate most people for an after game, because that honestly felt like something quick and easy to throw in. After all it only felt like the Battle Tower with nostalgia thrown in the mix (In my opinion at least, and I'm not saying they shouldn't re introduce it, just not have it be a main core factor in the after game).

firekid115 February 24th, 2016 9:59 PM

I'm not even sure if this would be expecting "too much" but given how similar they made Kalos to Kanto, I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to visit another region for the post game, as a nod to gen 2. I wouldn't be surprised if we were able to revisit Hoenn.

MarioManH February 24th, 2016 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by firekid115 (Post 9132866)
I'm not even sure if this would be expecting "too much" but given how similar they made Kalos to Kanto, I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to visit another region for the post game, as a nod to gen 2. I wouldn't be surprised if we were able to revisit Hoenn.

For all we know, the next game could tie in both XY and ORAS.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MarioManH (Post 9132855)
I'm honestly hoping for something on the scale of visiting a second region (Like G/S/C/HG/SS). There was so much given to us with the inclusion of Kanto that it made the game seem like you only completed a solid 50% of it when you beat the Elite Four for the first time. Then on top of that you're given the challenge to fight Red, which is pretty damn cool. I'm not saying they should add Hoenn (God I would love this though, even though ORAS came out 1 1/2 years ago) or another old region, but just something to that nature that would give us so much more to do. Hopefully they don't throw in a PWT and expect that willl sate most people for an after game, because that honestly felt like something quick and easy to throw in. After all it only felt like the Battle Tower with nostalgia thrown in the mix (In my opinion at least, and I'm not saying they shouldn't re introduce it, just not have it be a main core factor in the after game).

It might seem like they wouldn't do it because of the gap between OrAs and 'Z' being short, but then one thinks back to Yellow and GS. GS came out a year (1999) or so (might be slightly less or more than a full 12 month year)after Yellow (1998). In orderwords, it's entirely possible. Maybe then we'll see Wallace as champion, and The BF. Perhaps if one links it to OR/As it'll cause the opposite legendary to appear in Terra Cavern/Marine Cavern (the Emerald caves). Also, maybe a Jirachi event. It could also be Kanto, Gen V might just be an abnormally in it's generational reign (still appears in each systems thus far except for the 3DS) .

Rivvon February 24th, 2016 10:30 PM

Perhaps they could re-introduce PokéStar Studios. It would give Diantha something to do, at least.



Actually, I'm thinking now that perhaps early on in the Direct, they may show Magearna and reveal its Typing. Then they'd take it from there, with another new Mythical Pokémon reveal and maybe a Mega or a few if the next game is a third version to XY.

MarioManH February 24th, 2016 10:30 PM

I think it's safe to assume that the game will most definitely involve Kalos and Zygrade, as the anime has already expanded upon Zygrade in its entirety. We could also be seeing new Mega Evolutions because of this whole "Ash's Geninja" thing, which might just be an unconfirmed Mega Greninja?

Rivvon February 24th, 2016 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MarioManH (Post 9132906)
I think it's safe to assume that the game will most definitely involve Kalos and Zygrade, as the anime has already expanded upon Zygrade in its entirety. We could also be seeing new Mega Evolutions because of this whole "Ash's Geninja" thing, which might just be an unconfirmed Mega Greninja?

I dunno, I never liked the idea of something so inherently anime-based becoming so major to the games. And if Mega Greninja is based on Ash, does that mean Mega Delphox is gonna be based on Serena, and Mega Chesnaught based on Clemont? It just seems rather silly to me. I'd rather they get Megas that aren't based on anime characters. And if people are that disappointed at the lack of Ash-Greninja, just make it available as a "special" Pokémon similar to the Spiky-Eared Pichu.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9132904)
Perhaps they could re-introduce PokéStar Studios. It would give Diantha something to do, at least.



Actually, I'm thinking now that perhaps early on in the Direct, they may show Magearna and reveal its Typing. Then they'd take it from there, with another new Mythical Pokémon reveal and maybe a Mega or a few if the next game is a third version to XY.

Or perhaps they'll leave Magearna hanging in the air to raise speculation as to it being an extra Gen 6 mon or Gen 7 like how they treated Sylveon's typing.

Pokemon_Hero February 24th, 2016 11:52 PM

Now it is most likely Z or XY2.
It's not even a secret anymore.. everyone knows it is it.

WingsofBliss February 25th, 2016 12:16 AM

I've often wondered...

I know that Zygarde's Pokedex entry says it monitors Kalos' ecosystem, so one would assume it's a Kalos-exclusive Legendary, right? I still strongly feel that we'll have a Zygarde-centered plot, but what if it doesn't just include Kalos?

Meh, forget it. I'm all out of speculative diesel fuel for now. One more day left, and we'll all finally be put out of our misery.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9132793)
Taking ideas from fans is never a good thing; ORAS happened because of fan demand, and look how that turned out. Not only does it limit a company's creativity, but there's also the issue of lawsuit if a companies in general, not just Game Freak, ever try to use a fan's idea. You just have to pray that one of their ideas they came up with in-house coincides with a fan's idea to avoid any possible lawsuit. The image I showed you about how the three systems parallel with tablets, smartphones, and PC should tell you that NX may not be a fusion but possibly a PC system, which obviously the mainline Pokémon games won't be moving to (only the 3DS's successor).

ORAS was more loved than XY though and you can't assume 3DS will have a successor. You need to not look at it how you want at look the pretty much the facts and the facts so far are NX is taking over The PC connect is just to make access to things like downloads easier since Nintendo is very behind with that. If your expecting a PC system getting ready to be let down. With leaks like NX is expecting a PS4 title and games are being made for it it is obvious a gaming platform and with how poorly Wii U went them fusing a system makes the most sense. The days of a handheld and home console is over and that is the way it should be.

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Originally Posted by Pokemon_Hero (Post 9132966)
Now it is most likely Z or XY2.
It's not even a secret anymore.. everyone knows it is it.

Meh not really could be anything tbh. Only reason people are thinking Z or XY2 is that is what we have been given before (3rd versions and sequels) which is a bad way to think. Since we all expected Grey due to getting 3rd versions and we got BW2 over it. So keeping an open mind is for the best since we could get anything. Heck we could get Orre with GF confirming Coli/God as canon. Which I think should be canon since they are jrpgs that do connect with the main series. Even if they were made by a separate company. Idk I just in my mind called them canon for that fact.

Juice585 February 25th, 2016 4:28 AM

I do hope Diantha is tied in more, somehow.

janejane6178 February 25th, 2016 4:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Juice585 (Post 9133179)
I do hope Diantha is tied in more, somehow.

I fully agree with you here, feel like she has such a wasted potential.

Nah February 25th, 2016 5:03 AM

@the thing about having fan input: Idk I think you're both kind of right. On one hand "too many cooks spoil the broth" in that too many ideas are bound to conflict with each other and just create a big mess (and some people have incredibly wack ideas), but on the other hand there's at least a few widely requested features (like HM removal) that would be safe enough to try. Or at least there's a few features that are widely requested to return (Battle Frontier, Vs Seeker, Pokemon following you, character customization, etc) that they might as well try bringing back.

@Nekaku we do have games made by the fans. We just call them ROM Hacks lol

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9132904)
Perhaps they could re-introduce PokéStar Studios. It would give Diantha something to do, at least.

yes plz

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 5:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9133220)
@the thing about having fan input: Idk I think you're both kind of right. On one hand "too many cooks spoil the broth" in that too many ideas are bound to conflict with each other and just create a big mess (and some people have incredibly wack ideas), but on the other hand there's at least a few widely requested features (like HM removal) that would be safe enough to try. Or at least there's a few features that are widely requested to return (Battle Frontier, Vs Seeker, Pokemon following you, character customization, etc) that they might as well try bringing back.

@Nekaku we do have games made by the fans. We just call them ROM Hacks lol


yes plz

HM are so annoying at this point and could be replaced by items like an axe to replace cut or a drill to replace strength.

As for rom hacks I feel in a way they are better since they are not afraid to try new things. Like i would love GF to drop the usual formula and see how it goes. Maybe for a game after the first gen game. Heck if Z had no gyms and a new feel to it I would be pumped since it would be fresh. Though we only have 26 hours to get hype,let down or meh. So at this point it is the final hours before the grand reveal.

Liberal Army February 25th, 2016 5:43 AM

Just look at the AlphaSapphire Extreme Randomizer. That game is truly amazing. Would rather have had that as remake than the actual OrAs pair we got.
Like Nah already mentioned, Game Freak should take some demands from the community and put them to work, while still doing their own thing. Hell, they could hold polls after thr games' release to see what should be fixed and what not.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 6:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberal Army (Post 9133246)
Just look at the AlphaSapphire Extreme Randomizer. That game is truly amazing. Would rather have had that as remake than the actual OrAs pair we got.
Like Nah already mentioned, Game Freak should take some demands from the community and put them to work, while still doing their own thing. Hell, they could hold polls after thr games' release to see what should be fixed and what not.

TBH the original games are always better than the remakes. Well FR/LG were good with the SEvii Islands

But yeah GF needs to shake things up. Heck most devs take feedback from fans.

Pokemon_Hero February 25th, 2016 6:20 AM

Sun and Moon might be Kalos. But maybe it IS a new Generation?

janejane6178 February 25th, 2016 6:29 AM

Omg sun and moon? Never expected them to use these names.. Please dont tell me they r skipping gen 6:/

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 6:29 AM

YES! NO Z! Hug Me Brotha!

Joking aside it could be place holder names. Though I guess this means Z is not happening since if it is a place holder why make two if Z was happening. Though if it is not a new gen it makes you wonder since why not XY2


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Originally Posted by janejane6178 (Post 9133293)
Omg sun and moon? Never expected them to use these names.. Please dont tell me they r skipping gen 6:/


I hope they do and not to bug fans of XY but to prove that we don't need 3rd versions of sequels all the time. In a way I kinda think it is smart since any long running game series has one or two bad games in a series. (Bad as in lacking) Though this could be Kalos 6.5 and maybe Sun and moon is the fall and rise? Like maybe each has a different point of view. One the fall of Kalos years ago and the rise of a new war?

WingsofBliss February 25th, 2016 6:33 AM

The only thing I'm mad about is that this potentially ruined the surprise for the Direct. Damn it lol.

Pokemon_Hero February 25th, 2016 6:36 AM

Seems like the source was from here:

http://i.imgur.com/iQ18fYd.jpg

Juice585 February 25th, 2016 6:39 AM

I personally think Sun/Moon ARE Gen 7......but they won't be out until 2017 and there's still the 6.5/3rd version game coming holiday 2016

Dragonpiece February 25th, 2016 6:39 AM

Guess its that time of the year when I dust up this account and start getting excited again!

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 6:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9133298)
The only thing I'm mad about is that this potentially ruined the surprise for the Direct. Damn it lol.

In a way this is good. Before people were worried Z would be the thing. Now we know something fresh will happen so we can hype it and not be let down. Plus the flood gates are open now.

What...Sun and Moon... Ho-Oh and Luigia? Return to Johto?!

janejane6178 February 25th, 2016 6:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9133307)
In a way this is good. Before people were worried Z would be the thing. Now we know something fresh will happen so we can hype it and not be let down. Plus the flood gates are open now.

What...Sun and Moon... Ho-Oh and Luigia? Return to Johto?!

But what about all the un answered questions in XY and ORAS? :(

Iceshadow3317 February 25th, 2016 6:51 AM

Sun and Moon could still be place holders. I am still hoping they have a 3rd version or sequels, just so Kalos is the current main game.

If the Direct wasn't announced, it is possible that Rainbow had been found out, so they figured it would be best to go ahead and tell everyone.

Sun and Moon could be Gen 7, but I don't think they will come before a 3rd version or sequels.

As for making things fresh, I don't want the concept of pokemon to vanish. Gym Badges and what not need to stay because that is what makes pokemon, pokemon. They can just make the games more story based. Maybe instead of gym badges, we have to get 8 metals to be challenged by the evil team or something.

If they got rid of gym battles, I don't think pokemon would last much longer. Honestly, I don't see why it needs to be changed if Pokemon is still in the top 3 or 5 of Nintendo titles. And they definitely don't need to take ideas from You-Kai Watch, which has basically fallen off the face of the earth in most places.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 6:52 AM

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Originally Posted by janejane6178 (Post 9133315)
But what about all the un answered questions in XY and ORAS? :(

Could always be carried into the new game. Even if let's say it is in Johto it could carry it over. After all Hoenn got XY stuff carried over. Not saying it is Gold and Silver 2 but the fact A link to the past got a new game based in that world years later makes me wonder along with the color and sun and moon concept.

WingsofBliss February 25th, 2016 6:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9133307)
In a way this is good. Before people were worried Z would be the thing. Now we know something fresh will happen so we can hype it and not be let down. Plus the flood gates are open now.

What...Sun and Moon... Ho-Oh and Luigia? Return to Johto?!

Let me rephrase that.... it ruined the surprise for ME, lol. This was going to be the first time I've watched a game reveal on a Direct, and I was all pumped. Ah well...

This is all totally bonkers in an exciting way. So I came up with this crazy idea... what if this is like a mirror to how Gen 2 was to Gen 1? What if these games are a new Generation, but have connections somewhat to Kalos? What if it's the region that AZ fought against in the Kalos War?

I'm sorry, but there has to be some way that we'll be able to obtain Zygarde's other Formes. An event would be kind of unfair, depending on the method of distribution; the nearest GameStop from me is like a 2 hour drive.

Juice585 February 25th, 2016 7:04 AM

Masuda himself tweeting out about the Moon being out while the Sun is up.


Oh man, hype thrusters on full go now.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 7:05 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9133323)
Let me rephrase that.... it ruined the surprise for ME, lol. This was going to be the first time I've watched a game reveal on a Direct, and I was all pumped. Ah well...

This is all totally bonkers in an exciting way. So I came up with this crazy idea... what if this is like a mirror to how Gen 2 was to Gen 1? What if these games are a new Generation, but have connections somewhat to Kalos? What if it's the region that AZ fought against in the Kalos War?

I'm sorry, but there has to be some way that we'll be able to obtain Zygarde's other Formes. An event would be kind of unfair, depending on the method of distribution; the nearest GameStop from me is like a 2 hour drive.

His forms were never confirmed to be anything more than in the anime though. Idk I think people just jumped the gun and assumed it would be in the games. Not saying they won't be but I don't want to assume they will be. Heck we got a Charzard and Venasaure fusion in the anime that never came out in games plus a double battle in the anime 3 or so years before Gen 3. But just like how the anime does not always use the game story I think vice versa is safe to say too.

Though the idea of a return to Kalos is very possible since they do have that train in XY

Altius February 25th, 2016 7:11 AM

If Sun and Moon were real...

All I can think of is.

Mega Lunatone and Solrock?

Juice585 February 25th, 2016 7:12 AM

I always thought Lunatone and Solrock were under-utilized. Like....wouldn't you make a sun and moon Pokemon mean a little more than two "throwaway" that don't have evolutions?

janejane6178 February 25th, 2016 7:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9133339)
His forms were never confirmed to be anything more than in the anime though. Idk I think people just jumped the gun and assumed it would be in the games. Not saying they won't be but I don't want to assume they will be. Heck we got a Charzard and Venasaure fusion in the anime that never came out in games plus a double battle in the anime 3 or so years before Gen 3. But just like how the anime does not always use the game story I think vice versa is safe to say too.

Though the idea of a return to Kalos is very possible since they do have that train in XY

Two things:
1. I dont like the names: Moon and Sun .. Not so unique.
2. I really hope the main games will have something to do with Kalos lol

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 7:15 AM

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Originally Posted by janejane6178 (Post 9133348)
Two things:
1. I dont like the names: Moon and Sun .. Not so unique.
2. I really hope the main games will have something to do with Kalos lol

You should wait for the games plot. Since the names are more unique and tend to reflect the plot. To me they are already better names than Red,Blue,Gold,silver etc Gen 5 onward titles have reflected the theme of the games

Princess Sapphire February 25th, 2016 7:19 AM

As I've read through all this speculation and interesting ideas, I think everyone is forgetting something.


I recall some time ago, that there were meant to be 2 games left for Gen VI. I'm not sure exactly where I heard it, but I'm fairly sure that's what was said. Anyway, if this bit is true, then I predict a prequel/sequel kind of thing. I am in full agreement on everything pointing to Z, but if this tidbit is also true, then I think there will also be a Pokémon W, to act as a prequel.


Think about this. Ever since BW2, they have been trying to break away from the predictable norm. But one thing I feel they can't do, is leave a generation hanging with no "final version". A prequel would certainly work with what information is currently known. It's something they haven't done, and something most won't see coming. Plus, think about what that could entail. It'd take place during AZ's era, so we'd be in the thick of that war. I don't know if W has any significance as an axis like XYZ, but it could still be important.


Plus, I also believe in the Gen 6.5 theory. I basically saw that coming way back when XY was first released. The low number of Pokémon basically gave that away.


So my theory is, if the '2 new games' bit is true, then it will be Z in the traditional sense of a 3rd version, and a genuine prequel to show what really happened in the war. So that would easily be a nice way to give us more Pokémon for the current generation, as that is another thing that's never been done before. That way, the generation ends feeling complete, and then we'll really be ready for Gen VII by '17/18


And as for Gen VII, I like this Sun/Moon idea much better then Plus/Minus. To me, that makes much more sense, not to mention sounds cooler

Pokemon_Hero February 25th, 2016 7:23 AM

We don't know if it's real or not. We need to wait a few hours to see if someone finds out finally something.

My feeling: real.

My guess: It is Kalos with a Johto-like region (Kanto+Kalos+Johto)

Pinkie-Dawn February 25th, 2016 7:29 AM

Whether this is true or fake, Pokemon Sun and Moon clearly debunks the Pokemon Rainbow rumor, which I'll be happy about, because this would teach you a lesson on trusting these kind of rumors.

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9133015)
ORAS was more loved than XY though and you can't assume 3DS will have a successor. You need to not look at it how you want at look the pretty much the facts and the facts so far are NX is taking over The PC connect is just to make access to things like downloads easier since Nintendo is very behind with that. If your expecting a PC system getting ready to be let down. With leaks like NX is expecting a PS4 title and games are being made for it it is obvious a gaming platform and with how poorly Wii U went them fusing a system makes the most sense. The days of a handheld and home console is over and that is the way it should be.

Have you not looked at Bulbapedia's review article on ORAS, a couple of the threads in the ORAS section criticizing the game, or the reception of it from /vp/? ORAS was actually worse than XY for failing to fix the actual problems from the original R/S, as well as how poorly written Zinnia's motivation is. I think people like you are the ones that's going to be disappointed if you rely so much on NX rumors being a fusion, and seriously, you actually believed that rumor about the NX being connected to the PS4 (from your comment about a PS4 title)?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2016 7:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Juice585 (Post 9133336)
Masuda himself tweeting out about the Moon being out while the Sun is up.


Oh man, hype thrusters on full go now.

Could be a a coincidence. In Shintoism Amaterasu (sun) and Tsukuyomi (moon) were never to see each other again, so seeing the two out at the same time is seen as rare. If it's true maybe the third one will bbe Storm/Tempest (Susano'o). Or Star if they keep the space theme.

If this is what we're getting it looks like Gen 7.

Pokemon_Hero February 25th, 2016 7:44 AM

This is just crary

Zygarde won't be on the box of the game.. Maybe Xerneas and Yveltal have new forms? Or these are two new legendaries??

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2016 7:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon_Hero (Post 9133386)
This is just crary

Zygarde won't be on the box of the game.. Maybe Xerneas and Yveltal have new forms? Or these are two new legendaries??

These could be for the games after 'Z'. These are just trademarks thus far like Waterblue, Delta Emerald, and Grey.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 7:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9133370)
Whether this is true or fake, Pokemon Sun and Moon clearly debunks the Pokemon Rainbow rumor, which I'll be happy about, because this would teach you a lesson on trusting these kind of rumors.



Have you not looked at Bulbapedia's review article on ORAS, a couple of the threads in the ORAS section criticizing the game, or the reception of it from /vp/? ORAS was actually worse than XY for failing to fix the actual problems from the original R/S, as well as how poorly written Zinnia's motivation is. I think people like you are the ones that's going to be disappointed if you rely so much on NX rumors being a fusion, and seriously, you actually believed that rumor about the NX being connected to the PS4 (from your comment about a PS4 title)?

Here is a tip never listen to reviews CoD gets get reviews but is horrible series. Listen to what fans say. And you should actually read since I never said it was connected to PS4. I said it would was a PS4 game was coming out on it. This could mean FF7 HD. also it does not debunk Rainbow at all. The man said it was a "code name"

As I have said before I hope this concept of Gens is dropped since I feel it limits them and in a way makes fans expect things. Like many were were expecting Z and it seems %90 of a chance of them being let down. Now if the concept of gens was destroyed this would allow people to not go into things with expectations. Also it could give GF more freedom for games. Since they could create new stories in old regions or new regions but not always feel like they need new pokemon.



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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9133390)
These could be for the games after 'Z'. These are just trademarks thus far like Waterblue, Delta Emerald, and Grey.

Could be argued Delta emerald was for the added story to ORAS since it was called Delta and had the emerald mascot. Grey might have been a place holder for BW2.

WingsofBliss February 25th, 2016 7:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9133370)
Whether this is true or fake, Pokemon Sun and Moon clearly debunks the Pokemon Rainbow rumor, which I'll be happy about, because this would teach you a lesson on trusting these kind of rumors.

It's stuff like this that has made me debate on leaving the fandom for the past few days. We all learn our lessons, but there's no need to have a "holier than thou, I told you so" attitude towards other people who are just as imperfect as you are.



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Have you not looked at Bulbapedia's review article on ORAS, a couple of the threads in the ORAS section criticizing the game, or the reception of it from /vp/? ORAS was actually worse than XY for failing to fix the actual problems from the original R/S, as well as how poorly written Zinnia's motivation is. I think people like you are the ones that's going to be disappointed if you rely so much on NX rumors being a fusion, and seriously, you actually believed that rumor about the NX being connected to the PS4 (from your comment about a PS4 title)?
The review in question is just an opinion written up by one person, it doesn't represent fact. Whether XY or ORAS were better than the other is totally subjective, that includes both you and @Nekaku.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 7:57 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9133393)
It's stuff like this that has made me debate on leaving the fandom for the past few days. We all learn our lessons, but there's no need to have a "holier than thou, I told you so" attitude towards other people who are just as imperfect as you are.





The review in question is just an opinion written up by one person, it doesn't represent fact. Whether XY or ORAS were better than the other is totally subjective, that includes both you and @Nekaku.

Oh I am just saying better since I have seen more people praise it and say it was fun while those same people disliked XY.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2016 8:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9133392)
Here is a tip never listen to reviews CoD gets get reviews but is horrible series. Listen to what fans say. And you should actually read since I never said it was connected to PS4. I said it would was a PS4 game was coming out on it. This could mean FF7 HD. also it does not debunk Rainbow at all. The man said it was a "code name"

As I have said before I hope this concept of Gens is dropped since I feel it limits them and in a way makes fans expect things. Like many were were expecting Z and it seems %90 of a chance of them being let down. Now if the concept of gens was destroyed this would allow people to not go into things with expectations. Also it could give GF more freedom for games. Since they could create new stories in old regions or new regions but not always feel like they need new pokemon.





Could be argued Delta emerald was for the added story to ORAS since it was called Delta and had the emerald mascot. Grey might have been a place holder for BW2.

We have expectations for mid Gen and end of gen games too. Even with series without such a concept there are expectations. So someone is bound to be disappointed.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 8:13 AM

You know that rainbow rumor in away makes sense. Hear me out. Sun and Moon Gold and Silver Gold is Ho-oh who is the rainbow Pokemon. I find how the two leaks in a way coincide to be interesting considering the small gap of time between them. We shall for 22 hours (Give or take) Masuda holds our hopes in his hands. He has too much power. Would be funky if Sun and Moon are mid gen games though.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2016 8:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9133445)
You know that rainbow rumor in away makes sense. Hear me out. Sun and Moon Gold and Silver Gold is Ho-oh who is the rainbow Pokemon. I find how the two leaks in a way coincide to be interesting considering the small gap of time between them. We shall for 22 hours (Give or take) Masuda holds our hopes in his hands. He has too much power. Would be funky if Sun and Moon are mid gen games though.

If there're mid gen then 'Z' and 'Star/Tempest' will be possibilities still.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 8:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9133447)
If there're mid gen then 'Z' and 'Star/Tempest' will be possibilities still.

If it is mid gen with new Pokemon and story and everything calling it Z worries me just due to people thinking it is a generic 3rd version and while it could be fixed with good marketing Nintendo is not always the best in that area. Which is why if it is 6.5 Star/Tempest would sound better than Z since it would tell people right away new games. Or if they really want to get attention X5 Y5. This is exciting

Rivvon February 25th, 2016 8:24 AM

Hmmm, how can I put this succinctly...

Even if this is gen 7, we may be getting another game/other games before it. Like, they need to plan these things way in advance, sometimes beginning work on a new game before their current one is 100% completed. If this is gen 7 it could still be some time before we see it.

If it's still gen 6, I'd say there are a few options. One is that they're a really, really enhanced, split third version. Like, major retellings of X & Y--the logos use blue and red, similar to X & Y, and the sun and moon can be associated with ideas such as life and death. Alternatively, they could be sequels--not all sequels have to have the number "2" in the title. And they could even be a combination of a third version and sequel.

It could even be gen 6 but in a new region--perhaps the region of the man with the artifact? The weird head thing. I can't remember the name and I have to get going to work really soon so I don't have the time to look it up, sorry. You all know what I'm talking about, though. That "I hope you visit my region, soon; we have a really cool Champion and neat facilities" guy.


All I know for sure is that I hate leaks. Now I'm worried I'm gonna expect the Direct to give us at the very least the generation and the system, in addition to the names and release window. I don't want to expect too much, but... to be fair, after a two-year development cycle, I think it's reasonable to ask for something good.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 25th, 2016 8:29 AM

Especially trademarks, it can throw us off when they really announce them, like suddenly we expect Sun and Moon but get 'Z' or something else instead.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 8:31 AM

I will be upset if it is New 3DS only. Not because I don't like the idea of New 3DS only games but the fact we have only had one so far when people thought we would be getting more so the New 3DS itself just upsets me lol

ZafirChad February 25th, 2016 8:38 AM

...CAN TOMORROW JUST COME ALREADY?! I am SO CONFUSED by this, and it's making me wonder if the'ye just gonna skip over to 7th Gen already.. I still feel like it's too soon for this.. this doesn't confirm anything,it just made the 6th gen vs 7th Gen ALOT WORSE now

Pinkie-Dawn February 25th, 2016 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9133392)
Here is a tip never listen to reviews CoD gets get reviews but is horrible series. Listen to what fans say. And you should actually read since I never said it was connected to PS4. I said it would was a PS4 game was coming out on it. This could mean FF7 HD. also it does not debunk Rainbow at all. The man said it was a "code name"

Correction, never listen to professional reviews and instead the user reviews, which are the only reviews that actually matter. Just look at the score differences between the two for Fallout 4 and Street Fighter 5. And yet Pokemon Sun and Moon doesn't sound like a 20th anniversary game that a couple of people here are making it out to be.

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As I have said before I hope this concept of Gens is dropped since I feel it limits them and in a way makes fans expect things. Like many were were expecting Z and it seems %90 of a chance of them being let down. Now if the concept of gens was destroyed this would allow people to not go into things with expectations. Also it could give GF more freedom for games. Since they could create new stories in old regions or new regions but not always feel like they need new pokemon.
Whether you like it or not, the concept of Gens is here to stay, but that doesn't mean it has to be strictly the structure, which is why I'm expecting Z to be introducing the second half of Kalos' Pokemon, because they've been breaking the mold of what we expect from a third version since Platinum. This will force us to reconsider what is labeled as a new Gen if ever came true. It's like how Smogon created new tiers, because the new additions keep breaking a couple of their standards. Also, there's always a need for new Pokemon either to represent other animals who have yet to get a Pokemon treatment and prevent key-important characters like gym leaders from using Pokemon who are suppose to be another key-important character's ace Pokemon.

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It's stuff like this that has made me debate on leaving the fandom for the past few days. We all learn our lessons, but there's no need to have a "holier than thou, I told you so" attitude towards other people who are just as imperfect as you are.
And stuff like this makes me wish Pokemon never existed in the first place, because it's reaching Sonic fanbase levels of bad in terms of high expectations, in which any slight difference would result in big disappointment from the fans because it's not part of their ideal Pokemon game.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 8:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ZafirChad (Post 9133471)
...CAN TOMORROW JUST COME ALREADY?! I am SO CONFUSED by this, and it's making me wonder if the'ye just gonna skip over to 7th Gen already.. I still feel like it's too soon for this.. this doesn't confirm anything,it just made the 6th gen vs 7th Gen ALOT WORSE now

And we go right to 8th gen lol

Joking aside let's go with 6.5 for a minute and assume we get nothing 2017. Meaning Gen 7 is 2018 would GF really release it on GF if NX is out? Even if NX is not a hybrid would they really do it on 3DS assuming we don't get a new handheld at all? Keep in mind Gens seem to last 4 years so by the time Gen 7 ends it would be around 2021. Would 3DS wifi support still be around or would they drop it like DS and Wii got. That is my biggest concern that it would be dropped mid gen and the wifi aspect would be dead. While it may seem I am jumping the gun I am just trying to be prepared for a possible scenario.

Z25 February 25th, 2016 9:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9133374)
Could be a a coincidence. In Shintoism Amaterasu (sun) and Tsukuyomi (moon) were never to see each other again, so seeing the two out at the same time is seen as rare. If it's true maybe the third one will bbe Storm/Tempest (Susano'o). Or Star if they keep the space theme.

If this is what we're getting it looks like Gen 7.

It's not a coincidence, Masuda is very clever, and almost everything he tweets is tied to pokemon.

These trademarks also have actually images and logos, not just a name. Meaning they are a real game..

Also I highly doubt that this isn't what's going to be announced tomorrow. It makes a lot of sense looking at past trademarks.
I also doubt it's gen 7. My bet is gen 6.5 is this game, and it takes place in a Kingdom near Kalos. There be new mons, but it will still act as a sequel to Kalos and bring in a new storyline as well.

MarinoKadame February 25th, 2016 9:27 AM

Pokemon SUn and Moon remind me of Digmon World Dawn & Dusk which ther name in Japanaese are Digimon Story Sunburst/Digimon Story Moonlight, both their starter digimon lines are based on Sun and Moon.

Here's their box art.


Also Megaman Battle Network used the same theme.

ZafirChad February 25th, 2016 9:28 AM

IF this is still 6th Gen related, will the sun and moon refer to the two wolves in Norse Mythology,Geri and Freki? Both of them are the reasons for night and day, as the sun and the moon run from them. The day that they catch and devour the sun and the moon will be the start of Ragnarok. And then Perfect Zygarde's chest mouth has cyan and orange, which are the same as the logo's colors, so could this mean it can also stop the two wolves that MIGHT be the mascots for the games?

MarinoKadame February 25th, 2016 9:42 AM

Let's see Volcanion may be linked to the Sun and Magearna to the Moon.

Also the previous leaked pokemon list has legendary pokemons revolving around singularity and space themed just like Sun and Moon who are celestial bodies.

WingsofBliss February 25th, 2016 9:51 AM

I seen an interesting theory being posted on another website... it had to do with the 2 unused game slots in Pokemon Bank for Gen 6. They had suggested that these games might be those game slots, and even had thrown in the suggestion of Sun being a tie-in game to Y/OR and Moon being a tie-in to X/AS, or vice-versa... yeah, you get the idea right? They explained it better than I could.

Come to think of it, both Kalos and Hoenn have some ties to space... Hoenn's is more prevalant, but Kalos' ties to space has to do with the Anistar Sundial's origin. Interestingly, Sycamore also says it has ties to Megas, Ultimate Weapon, and Legendaries too.

Pinkie-Dawn February 25th, 2016 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ZafirChad (Post 9133541)
IF this is still 6th Gen related, will the sun and moon refer to the two wolves in Norse Mythology,Geri and Freki? Both of them are the reasons for night and day, as the sun and the moon run from them. The day that they catch and devour the sun and the moon will be the start of Ragnarok. And then Perfect Zygarde's chest mouth has cyan and orange, which are the same as the logo's colors, so could this mean it can also stop the two wolves that MIGHT be the mascots for the games?

Hmm, good eye there. I haven't noticed the color schemes. If Pokemon Sun and Moon turn out to be a glorified third version like BW2, then as expected, Game Freak has broken the mold. Perfect Zygarde's chest, the strange souvenir, and the 4chan leak showcase that they've been planning this out from the very beginning of Gen 6's development.

Poke_Spirit February 25th, 2016 9:57 AM

Both colors of sun and moon resemble the hexagon color location leaked Pokemon listing " south kalos" also the other hexagon parts of perfect zygarde.. orange and light blue

They better give us some gameplay footages in the direct..

ZafirChad February 25th, 2016 10:09 AM

Also,the Hex maniac in X and Y mentions this-(Northern Bridge to the sundial)"Did you know that there are moondials too?" There COULD be a moondial in a possible Southern Kalos, and tell more info on how the Sundial in Anistar city exactly relates to Mega evo if we can find the stone thanks to the Sundial at a certain time. Man, speculating too much makes my head hurt..


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