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Z25 February 10th, 2016 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9113288)
GF aren't very good at this kind of stuff. All of GF couldn't figure out how to include Kanto in GS but Iwata by himself managed to fit it into GS. The graphics of Gen III, and IV aren't very good compared to other games made around the same time. Not to mention that they made DP glitchy despite the delay (much like they had ten years prior with RG). But perhaps they'll figure something out...let's just hope it all goes good or we might all lose our save data... yeah, if such an update happens I think I'll be waiting to update my Y and OmegaRuby for a few months...

True, but I feel like they got better in time. We will just have to wait and see.

Although it wouldn't be a terrible for them to not patch. As long we have trade compatibility so I can transfer mons, then I am fine. Which the strange souvenir seems to confirm.

RandomDSdevel February 10th, 2016 3:44 PM

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Btw, you're forgetting that GF said that they had no way to update the games to add the Megas that were introduced in OrAs into XY (as it'll ruin the code causing it to glitch or something), so any new mons, Megas, and former introduced in 'Z' would run into the same trouble!



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Also, they won't be able to be traded into XYOrAs due to the code being corrupted, or at least that was Gf's excuse for not updating XY with the new moves, megas, and Primals that were introduced in OrAs. There will be little point in introducing new mons at Gen's end. But then again B2W2 introduced formes and they were the last games of that Gen :/... But formes are more acceptable to miss than new Pokemon imo.

True, although I could easily see them patch the games when the last maingame of the gen happens. It shouldn't be to hard.

I thought so too, but apparently doing so will screw up the coding...maybe making them as glitchy as RG and DP...


Are we sure? Because it may seem impossible, but I wouldn't be surprised if GF pulled it off.

GF aren't very good at this kind of stuff. All of GF couldn't figure out how to include Kanto in GS but Iwata by himself managed to fit it into GS. The graphics of Gen III, and IV aren't very good compared to other games made around the same time. Not to mention that they made DP glitchy despite the delay (much like they had ten years prior with RG). But perhaps they'll figure something out...let's just hope it all goes good or we might all lose our save data... yeah, if such an update happens I think I'll be waiting to update my Y and OmegaRuby for a few months...

True, but I feel like they got better in time. We will just have to wait and see.

Although it wouldn't be a terrible for them to not patch. As long we have trade compatibility so I can transfer mons, then I am fine. Which the strange souvenir seems to confirm.

At any rate, any update that Game Freak might come up with Nintendo's help would be a bit of a doozy, that's for sure…

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Well specifically they can't put the new Megas, Primals and moves in because there's no room for them in the game. If they attempted to they'd either have to move the moves, Pokemon and maybe Mega tables around to enlarge them, which would be hard to do, or they could try to put them in anyway and risk them overwriting other bits of code because they don't fit in the table.

Well, I suppose they could put at least some of the update data on user's SD cards…

P. S.: Just thought I'd drop a quiet bombshell at the end of this post…

P. P. S.: Hmm; I must really like using ellipses…

Juice585 February 10th, 2016 4:15 PM

What a day - whether it's Gen 6.5, Gen 7, or anything in between, what a time to be a Pokemon fan. As someone who got back into Pokemon with XY, this is the first time I've been onboard a hype train as it happens. This is fun.

Rivvon February 10th, 2016 4:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RandomDSdevel (Post 9113505)

P. S.: Just thought I'd drop a quiet bombshell at the end of this post…

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that Tweet is from 2014...

But I mean, I don't think we need a Direct at this point. Magiana is very clearly a Bakugan, so I think we can all agree that the upcoming Pokémon game will be a Pokémon-Bakugan cross-over.

(Disclaimer: I'm joking.)

WingsofBliss February 10th, 2016 4:41 PM

It's a good thing you caught that, because I almost had a heart attack. I would not be surprised though if we did hear something this month.

Also is anybody wondering if Magiana has anything to do with that "flowers" hint? 'Cause it doesn't quite resemble a flower to me...

RandomDSdevel February 10th, 2016 4:44 PM

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P. S.: Just thought I'd drop a quiet bombshell at the end of this post…


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that Tweet is from 2014...

But I mean, I don't think we need a Direct at this point. Magiana is very clearly a Bakugan, so I think we can all agree that the upcoming Pokémon game will be a Pokémon-Bakugan cross-over.

(Disclaimer: I'm joking.)

Ah, confound it all! I need to pay more attention to posting dates, don't I? Well, hopefully Nintendo will announce a new Direct date soon, even if Game Freak announces doesn't use that as their venue to announce how they'll be tying up Gen. VI. Also, LOL on the crossover pun, though I [I]did[/I} what I saw of Bakugan: Crossfire when they localized it.

mew_nani February 10th, 2016 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9113574)
It's a good thing you caught that, because I almost had a heart attack. I would not be surprised though if we did hear something this month.

Also is anybody wondering if Magiana has anything to do with that "flowers" hint? 'Cause it doesn't quite resemble a flower to me...

It's lower body kinda resembles lily of the valley but to be honest it doesn't look very flower like at all. It's more an automoton than anything else, seemingly patched together from random pieces of metal. Who made this creature, I wonder? Was it meant as a gift for someone? It's very ornate.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 10th, 2016 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9113560)
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that Tweet is from 2014...

But I mean, I don't think we need a Direct at this point. Magiana is very clearly a Bakugan, so I think we can all agree that the upcoming Pokémon game will be a Pokémon-Bakugan cross-over.

(Disclaimer: I'm joking.)

I knew it reminded me of something. It reminds me of a Bakugan! That and a bit of the death star...

Rivvon February 10th, 2016 4:57 PM

The silhouette kind of reminded me of Lilligant in a way, but now that the design is fully revealed, I don't think it will be a key component of our flower-filled future. Especially if it turns out to be an event Pokémon (and associated with another event Pokémon, no less).

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9113589)
I knew it reminded me of something. It reminds me of a Bakugan! That and a bit of the death star...

Some people have compared it to BB-8, too, since you bring up the Death Star.

WingsofBliss February 10th, 2016 5:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9113589)
I knew it reminded me of something. It reminds me of a Bakugan! That and a bit of the death star...

I was just about to say that it also looks like a Fairy-type version of BB-8, lol.

https://cbsdenver.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/star-wars-bb8.jpg?w=1500

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 10th, 2016 5:04 PM

The death star kind of look plus those ears makes me think that it'll be like a satellite, perhaps it'll talk to Volcanion that way.

Nekaku February 10th, 2016 5:14 PM

Kylo Ren is the new villain leader in Kalos XD

mew_nani February 10th, 2016 5:20 PM

Yeah you know how people were noticing that its head was shaped like a Klink, and how I mentioned earlier it seemed to be made from random pieces of metal? It might actually be at least partially made from parts of other Pokemon. Its ears sorta resemble Skarmory feathers, and its shoulders are a lot like Metagross's shoulders, which are ball-joints. Its forelimbs MIGHT be from Pawniard but I can't recognize its other components. Can anyone tell if there's anything else in there?

Rivvon February 10th, 2016 5:53 PM

Talking about flowers.

Sad stuff and unreleased Pokémon ahead:
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I know I brought it up once before, a long time ago in the previous thread: the idea that AZ and Floette could potentially sacrifice themselves to stop Zygarde in a symbolic representation of "the one(s) who started it all (AZ's ultimate weapon supposedly triggering Zygarde's complete awakening, along with the ultimate weapon itself being a major component of the story's main conflict--as in, without it there would be "no story") are also the ones who end it all (A - the beginning; Z - the end; bringing an end to Zygarde and the ultimate weapon)." I also brought up how it would at least give the characters "freedom" from their "curse" of eternal life, so while it would still be tear-worthy, it's not completely sad.

But... if you interpret one of the major themes of the game as "loss" (a major example being AZ's loss of his beloved Floette)... well, I wonder. Floette left because AZ brought destruction...ruin to Kalos and its Pokémon.

So why does AZ's Floette know the super-powerful, recoil-inducing, and frighteningly-named "Light of Ruin" attack? Wouldn't that be the kind of attack Floette would never want to use?

If Floette's death led to AZ creating the ultimate weapon and using it to enact "revenge" in a sense, what if AZ's death--or maybe even more specifically, his sacrifice--leads to Floette being able to, in the words of the attack's in-game description, harness "power from the Eternal Flower" to enact "revenge" upon who I would believe to be an unstoppable Zygarde Complete? I mean, the Eternal Flower is designed after the ultimate weapon. I can see why it would have the same sort of power, but I can only think of this reason as why Floette would ever actually use it.

I mean, it never quite made sense to me why AZ's Floette was programmed as an obtainable Pokémon at all. After 3000 years of searching, I wouldn't think AZ would give her up that easily. The only thing I could see is if they tried to pass it off with, "She will be happier with you so I'll give her to you," but story-wise I don't think that would really add to the symbolism that goes along with the themes already inherent within XY. But I can definitely see it as a, "Take care of her as my dying wish" sort of thing.

In summary: I think AZ will sacrifice himself to allow Zygarde to be stopped, and that gives his Floette the power to utilize Light of Ruin, and allows the player to at some point obtain said Floette.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 10th, 2016 6:00 PM

I used to think the same too, but Zygarde doesn't seem as antagonistic as I expected, at in the anime. Perhaps if Flare is mind controlling it like I mentioned in old Thread, by putting a device into one of the cores, forcing an internal struggle, with the need to knock it out to allow the uncontrolled core to gain control.
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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9113674)
Talking about flowers.

Sad stuff and unreleased Pokémon ahead:
Spoiler:
I know I brought it up once before, a long time ago in the previous thread: the idea that AZ and Floette could potentially sacrifice themselves to stop Zygarde in a symbolic representation of "the one(s) who started it all (AZ's ultimate weapon supposedly triggering Zygarde's complete awakening, along with the ultimate weapon itself being a major component of the story's main conflict--as in, without it there would be "no story") are also the ones who end it all (A - the beginning; Z - the end; bringing an end to Zygarde and the ultimate weapon)." I also brought up how it would at least give the characters "freedom" from their "curse" of eternal life, so while it would still be tear-worthy, it's not completely sad.

But... if you interpret one of the major themes of the game as "loss" (a major example being AZ's loss of his beloved Floette)... well, I wonder. Floette left because AZ brought destruction...ruin to Kalos and its Pokémon.

So why does AZ's Floette know the super-powerful, recoil-inducing, and frighteningly-named "Light of Ruin" attack? Wouldn't that be the kind of attack Floette would never want to use?

If Floette's death led to AZ creating the ultimate weapon and using it to enact "revenge" in a sense, what if AZ's death--or maybe even more specifically, his sacrifice--leads to Floette being able to, in the words of the attack's in-game description, harness "power from the Eternal Flower" to enact "revenge" upon who I would believe to be an unstoppable Zygarde Complete? I mean, the Eternal Flower is designed after the ultimate weapon. I can see why it would have the same sort of power, but I can only think of this reason as why Floette would ever actually use it.

I mean, it never quite made sense to me why AZ's Floette was programmed as an obtainable Pokémon at all. After 3000 years of searching, I wouldn't think AZ would give her up that easily. The only thing I could see is if they tried to pass it off with, "She will be happier with you so I'll give her to you," but story-wise I don't think that would really add to the symbolism that goes along with the themes already inherent within XY. But I can definitely see it as a, "Take care of her as my dying wish" sort of thing.

In summary: I think AZ will sacrifice himself to allow Zygarde to be stopped, and that gives his Floette the power to utilize Light of Ruin, and allows the player to at some point obtain said Floette.


Rivvon February 10th, 2016 6:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9113687)
I used to think the same too, but Zygarde doesn't seem as antagonistic as I expected, at in the anime. Perhaps if Flare is mind controlling it like I mentioned in old Thread, by putting a device into one of the cores, forcing an internal struggle, with the need to knock it out to allow the uncontrolled core to gain control.

Well it doesn't need to be antagonistic. I don't watch the anime but going off of its PokéDex entries, the reason why it would awaken at all would be because it senses an imminent danger to Kalos. And to deal with something so powerful as the ultimate weapon, I would assume Zygarde itself would be unstoppable, too. One of those kinds of, "it means well but it's too powerful for its own good and needs to be stopped," kinds of things. I'd think it would be out-of-control not because it's actively trying to hurt others, but just because that's how strong it needs to be to deal with the threat at hand.

Like, think about how (Primal) Groudon and Kyogre would have brought doom to Hoenn and eventually the entire Pokémon-Earth if not stopped. They weren't doing that because they're out to destroy the world; they just can't help their Abilities.

Nekaku February 10th, 2016 6:10 PM

Really hope Volcarion is the main focus and not Zygarde with the new game. Everyone is saying Zygarde but I am leaning for that being anime only plus it is too predictable as Mr.Masuda said. Being able to time jump would be a cool feature. So like going back in time to stop things from happening in the future since Gen 6 so far has been talking about the past and almost as if a race of people existed (AZ and Zinnia) would that to be fleshed out. Of if they do want to use Zygardia maybe make it so he wakes up once he knows you are messing with time and tries to stop you letting him get caught by the bad guy Makes me feel if prequels or sequels are the new game and Gen 7 will drop 2017 with little hints till a full reveal next year. Though it makes me wonder if Gen 7 does go to NX if it will be a full on new continuity ignoring everything prior due the switch from a traditional handheld.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 10th, 2016 6:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9113701)
Really hope Volcarion is the main focus and not Zygarde with the new game. Everyone is saying Zygarde but I am leaning for that being anime only plus it is too predictable as Mr.Masuda said. Being able to time jump would be a cool feature. So like going back in time to stop things from happening in the future since Gen 6 so far has been talking about the past and almost as if a race of people existed (AZ and Zinnia) would that to be fleshed out. Of if they do want to use Zygardia maybe make it so he wakes up once he knows you are messing with time and tries to stop you letting him get caught by the bad guy Makes me feel if prequels or sequels are the new game and Gen 7 will drop 2017 with little hints till a full reveal next year. Though it makes me wonder if Gen 7 does go to NX if it will be a full on new continuity ignoring everything prior due the switch from a traditional handheld.



Time travel? I don't see how it would even detect that. Celebi and Dialga maybe, but Zygarde? That seems out of it's power.

I think Zygarde is more of a cleaner upper, than one that would attack to fix things. In other words more of a gentle giant.

Also, about Zygarde's role, in Emerald Rayquaza simply flew and stopped the trio and went back to Sky Pillar...
Pikachu, Suicune, Giratina, and Kyurem had larger roles...

Nekaku February 10th, 2016 6:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9113728)
Time travel? I don't see how it would even detect that. Celebi and Dialga maybe, but Zygarde? That seems out of it's power.






I think Zygarde is more of a cleaner upper, than one that would attack to fix things. In other words more of a gentle giant.

Not not time travel due to a pokemon. Time travel maybe via a device. Zygarde could just detect something is up and maybe he is tricked by the bad guy into treating you as the bad guy. Like maybe attacking you at random parts in the time. I feel I once played a game years ago (GBA I think) where the bad guy came at you at random times and it was kinda a shock since you did not expect. Idk I just want something to make it feel like a new story over the same game with some changes. Just feel 3rd versions in 2016 are kinda meh and feel if it is not a follow up game just don't bother. But we may all just be jumping the gun since Game Freak may have something to please all of us in store. Heck I think if we were just given the game name that would ease a lot of us. If it is Z ok we know it is a 3rd version,if it is XY2 we know it is sequels or if we get something out of nowhere maybe like Eternal Flower. we have no idea what is happening and that alone could build hype. Which is why I am hoping to Arecus that when the official reveal of that Pokemon happens next week they say something about how to get if or if it is Gen 6 or Gen 7. Would be nice if they showed the new game's name in the video at the very least and were like "More info coming soon" The lead up to this is just very weird since the anime is doing Z making a ton think it is Z but at the same time last gen we got BW2 over the Grey version we all thought was coming so at this point nobody knows but Game Freak and it is a bit frustrating.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 10th, 2016 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9113738)
Not not time travel due to a pokemon. Time travel maybe via a device. Zygarde could just detect something is up and maybe he is tricked by the bad guy into treating you as the bad guy. Like maybe attacking you at random parts in the time. I feel I once played a game years ago (GBA I think) where the bad guy came at you at random times and it was kinda a shock since you did not expect. Idk I just want something to make it feel like a new story over the same game with some changes. Just feel 3rd versions in 2016 are kinda meh and feel if it is not a follow up game just don't bother. But we may all just be jumping the gun since Game Freak may have something to please all of us in store. Heck I think if we were just given the game name that would ease a lot of us. If it is Z ok we know it is a 3rd version,if it is XY2 we know it is sequels or if we get something out of nowhere maybe like Eternal Flower. we have no idea what is happening and that alone could build hype. Which is why I am hoping to Arecus that when the official reveal of that Pokemon happens next week they say something about how to get if or if it is Gen 6 or Gen 7. Would be nice if they showed the new game's name in the video at the very least and were like "More info coming soon" The lead up to this is just very weird since the anime is doing Z making a ton think it is Z but at the same time last gen we got BW2 over the Grey version we all thought was coming so at this point nobody knows but Game Freak and it is a bit frustrating.

Supposedly we were going to get Grey, but Nintendo told GF to change it to increase sales. GF usually doesn't think outside the box imo...

Nekaku February 10th, 2016 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9113750)
Supposedly we were going to get Grey, but Nintendo told GF to change it to increase sales. GF usually doesn't think outside the box imo...

Hopefully Nintendo keeps lighting the fire under them. People can say Mario and Zelda never change but tbh I think they do take risks myself something GF seems to not like doing. Heck taking a risk for GF might end up being a great idea.

MarinoKadame February 10th, 2016 7:56 PM

The movie poster got updated.


mew_nani February 10th, 2016 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9113754)
Hopefully Nintendo keeps lighting the fire under them. People can say Mario and Zelda never change but tbh I think they do take risks myself something GF seems to not like doing. Heck taking a risk for GF might end up being a great idea.

It will sooner or later. People are getting tired of the same old "get gym badges, beat evil team, become champion" storyline. 5th gen was acclaimed (and disliked by some) because they shook things up a little. They're going to have to do something different sooner or later or everyone will eventually get bored and leave. Doesn't necessarily mean going completely off the rails, but having something a bit different might make things fun again.

EDIT: Gosh dang man so many shinies.

Iceshadow3317 February 10th, 2016 8:14 PM

Well looks like we will be getting a Shiny Gardevoir or Shiny Gengar at the start of Pokemon Z, if they continue the trend with giving us a mega pokemon when a game is released.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 10th, 2016 8:15 PM

I wonder if there is a link between all those Megas and Magiana. I mean perhaps Magiana is related to Mega Evolution in some way...but it's far more recent compared to the war so...no link?Btw, who else thinks that the Poster is further implying that Ash Greninja is some kind of Mega?


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