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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 8:44 AM

Not to mention Lugia.

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 9:38 AM

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Originally Posted by colter519 (Post 9117075)
I didn't realize those movies were out before their corresponding generations of games. I was kind of out of the pokemon loop during those generations and my dates must be off. And I completely spaced that Lucario and Zorua even were main focal points of movies despite not being legendary pokemon. I should probably pay more attention to Japanese movie release dates. My bad

It is only natural to get confused since Pokemon is so old. Heck I forget certain Pokemon even exist. I forget Donphan was a thing until recently XD


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Originally Posted by Sun (Post 9116999)
I've had some in-game related speculations when it comes to letting little boys and girls leave home at a young age. Perhaps age 10 is already considered as young adults in the Pokemon world? It might sound funny, but things work differently in real life as well, right? Some places consider 18 as the legal age of adult and some 21. Soo when you think about it, it isn't that strange. (:

Gen 7 for 2018 is good, especially if they are going for Gen 6.5 this time. :D

I will be honest I think in our world it is something they should do. Well maybe not venture into the world alone but let kids choose what they want to do. My biggest issue with school post 8th grade is it is just relearning everything you already know plus a ton of unnecessary drama. I think if kids could venture into what they want to do after middle school they would learn a lot more. Not saying school is worthless but let kids go to schools for what they want or they can try going into a field. Like if a kid wants to learn about marine biology let them help at an aquarium or if a kid wants to go into film let them go to an art school or just allow the child to try out for plays. I do think 10 is too young but I think 14 is a good age.

colter519 February 13th, 2016 9:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9117147)
It is only natural to get confused since Pokemon is so old. Heck I forget certain Pokemon even exist. I forget Donphan was a thing until recently XD

Thanks for the understanding. There is almost 20 years of history and now 722 pokemon to remember. I guess a better question to bring up would be if they've ever introduced a new generation before highlighting all the legendary pokemon from the current generation. I'm kinda fuzzy on the second movie if it was before or after gold and silver were released, and Ho-oh never got much attention from what I recall other than the first episode. And even then that thought could be a moot point if Magiana is a gen 7 pokemon anyway.

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by colter519 (Post 9117158)
Thanks for the understanding. There is almost 20 years of history and now 722 pokemon to remember. I guess a better question to bring up would be if they've ever introduced a new generation before highlighting all the legendary pokemon from the current generation. I'm kinda fuzzy on the second movie if it was before or after gold and silver were released, and Ho-oh never got much attention from what I recall other than the first episode. And even then that thought could be a moot point if Magiana is a gen 7 pokemon anyway.

Ho Oh and Raikou got hardly any love in the anime or movies. No idea why

Iceshadow3317 February 13th, 2016 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9117057)
I think that we'll get Gen VII next year if my theory of Nintendo pushing GF to make games for the release of the NX (assuming it comes out this year) is wrong. Irc GS and RS came out a year after the GBC and GBA had come out. I think was the same with DP for the DS (though DP were originally suppose to be part of the starting line up with a release date scheduled for 2005).


This is what I am thinking, although they just went to the 3DS. DS was around for a while though and had like 4 different types before 3DS. They might come out at the same time. My guess, the end of 2017 in October or November. They would probably make a TON of money with a new Gen and new system at the same time. And since pokemon is starting to fight its way back to the top, having a new system + Pokemon game bundle would be great.

Raikou was in the Zorua movie, but still was minor. I don't think it was ever popular, plus it was in Chronicles. Ho-oH I think they are saving for the end.


As for the 10 year old thing, that changed in BW and XY, both main characters being older than 10. (Game wise)

colter519 February 13th, 2016 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9117165)
Ho Oh and Raikou got hardly any love in the anime or movies. No idea why

Very true. Raikou at least got the legend of thunder special, and shiny Raikou was in the Zoroark movie, but really has always been overshadowed by other legendary pokemon. And poor Ho-oh. Gold was even the less owned of it's generation

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 10:35 AM

I just realized something. Everyone is talking about Zygarde but what if the game has Floette as the box art? Heck better yet AZ on it. Would be a real twist to see something besides a legendary on the box. (Only tossing it out due to the whole flowers thing that is supposed have to do with the future)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117168)
This is what I am thinking, although they just went to the 3DS. DS was around for a while though and had like 4 different types before 3DS. They might come out at the same time. My guess, the end of 2017 in October or November. They would probably make a TON of money with a new Gen and new system at the same time. And since pokemon is starting to fight its way back to the top, having a new system + Pokemon game bundle would be great.

Raikou was in the Zorua movie, but still was minor. I don't think it was ever popular, plus it was in Chronicles. Ho-oH I think they are saving for the end.


As for the 10 year old thing, that changed in BW and XY, both main characters being older than 10. (Game wise)

Not to mention that May and Brendan were confirmed to be 12 in OrAs. The Gen I, II, and IV characters I don't believe are confirmed.

shadowmoon522 February 13th, 2016 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sun (Post 9116999)
I've had some in-game related speculations when it comes to letting little boys and girls leave home at a young age. Perhaps age 10 is already considered as young adults in the Pokemon world? It might sound funny, but things work differently in real life as well, right? Some places consider 18 as the legal age of adult and some 21. Soo when you think about it, it isn't that strange. (:

depends on the type of legal age, there are 12 of them:
1). Age of criminal responsibility
2). Age of majority
3). Age of maturity
4). Age of candidacy
5). Age of consent
6). Legal drinking age
7). Legal working age
8). Marriageable age
9). Retirement age
10). School leaving age
11). Smoking age
12). Voting age

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 1:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9117249)
Not to mention that May and Brendan were confirmed to be 12 in OrAs. The Gen I, II, and IV characters I don't believe are confirmed.

Which makes you wonder why they are scared to age Ash from 10. Though I think if BW never happened the whole Ash being 10 thing would not exist since to me it is clear he ages from OS To DP. Not saying many years pass but to me it just felt and looked he was growing up. Even if it was like he was 12 or 13 in DP. Like in OS he was more naive and battled by not always thinking while in AGH and DP and even XY he goes from some kid who is a noob and brash to thinking about ways to win and even in XY acts like a big brother in away Brock did.


As for the 2016 game I really do hope they bring back the story concept they did for BW and BW2. So if you had played BW memories were shown in BW.










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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9117256)
depends on the type of legal age, there are 12 of them:
1). Age of criminal responsibility
2). Age of majority
3). Age of maturity
4). Age of candidacy
5). Age of consent
6). Legal drinking age
7). Legal working age
8). Marriageable age
9). Retirement age
10). School leaving age
11). Smoking age
12). Voting age

I am curious on what if someone over 18 sleeps with someone under 18 but the age they person is it legal where they live but they go to a state where it is illegal. would the 18 plus before in trouble?

shadowmoon522 February 13th, 2016 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9117323)
I am curious on what if someone over 18 sleeps with someone under 18 but the age they person is it legal where they live but they go to a state where it is illegal. would the 18 plus before in trouble?

depends, there are times when the people in the area just don't give a flying fish including the parents. i know someone who knocked up a girl who was a teenager in a different state then this one when he was 30 and is still free because no one bothered to press charges on him.
regardless, how its set up in my state is unusual because the legal age of consent is 16, but one could still get charged with corruption of minors and/or be placed on megan's list if the parents(or the boy/girl) press chargers or scream rape.
also i'm pretty sure that it works the same way between states as it dose if someone from California moves to a part of japan where under 18 is legal: namely they'd sill be bound by the US laws on the matter thus making it so that if anyone in japan from California sleeps with someone under the age of 18 they could still end up charged for it.
regardless, i'm no lawyer so i can't really say much more then this more then likely a case-to-case thing.

not sure why anyone above the age of 20 would even bother with anyone under 18 unless they where unaware of the fact. to much drama to be bothered with regardless of the laws of consent.

Iceshadow3317 February 13th, 2016 1:51 PM

Any if by some amazing chance this was 6.5 how many pokemon do you think would be added? I don't think more than 30 would. Maybe a max of 40. What would South Kalos be though? We have Coastal, Mountain, and Central, and the southern half looks like it would have mountains and maybe another body of water.

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9117357)
depends, there are times when the people in the area just don't give a flying fish including the parents. i know someone who knocked up a girl who was a teenager in a different state then this one when he was 30 and is still free because no one bothered to press charges on him.
regardless, how its set up in my state is unusual because the legal age of consent is 16, but one could still get charged with corruption of minors and/or be placed on megan's list if the parents(or the boy/girl) press chargers or scream rape.
also i'm pretty sure that it works the same way between states as it dose if someone from California moves to a part of japan where under 18 is legal: namely they'd sill be bound by the US laws on the matter thus making it so that if anyone in japan from California sleeps with someone under the age of 18 they could still end up charged for it.
regardless, i'm no lawyer so i can't really say much more then this more then likely a case-to-case thing.

not sure why anyone above the age of 20 would even bother with anyone under 18 unless they where unaware of the fact. to much drama to be bothered with regardless of the laws of consent.

Well I learned in school it is only natural for someone to find anyone who hit puberty "sexual" since it is human nature and puberty is a sign of the point where it happens. Whether it is morally wrong is another story but going by instinct is viewed as normal. Factoring that some 20 and 30 years old can look 14 and 15 and vice versa it is sticky terrotiy. My college is like %80 full of people who look 13+ but are late 20s and older.

But bringing it back to pokemon I always viewed it was the journey was school in a way which is a cool concept. Since for me hands on makes me learn way better than lectures or books.


I am curious if South Kalos is a thing if they would even do gyms or try something new. Like would they really give Kalos 8 new gyms or make the plot different? Maybe say the south was full of Team Flare and was very dangerous to go but now that they are gone it is safe?

Sun February 13th, 2016 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117359)
Any if by some amazing chance this was 6.5 how many pokemon do you think would be added? I don't think more than 30 would. Maybe a max of 40. What would South Kalos be though? We have Coastal, Mountain, and Central, and the southern half looks like it would have mountains and maybe another body of water.

27 (including Magiana) is perfect. I said 27 not 30, because Volcanion, Diancie and Hoopa are already released. Hopefully there's only 2 mythical Pokemon, along Magiana. 27 + 72 =100. ;)

I don't think they have specific names for certain districts and areas in the past, with the obvious exceptions of certain cheap islands. As for the Pokedex, they can go lazy and simply call it Southern Kalos dex. :D I care less about the name, there's no need for fancy names.

Iceshadow3317 February 13th, 2016 3:01 PM

If South Kalos is a thing, I have a feeling they will handle it in a similar manner as BW2. Closing off the starting area until post game. And then making us start in South Kalos. However, I am not sure it can be handled like BW2 as easily.

I don't think there would be 8 new gyms. Maybe 1 or 2 new gyms. And close off 1 or 2 others.

As for the plot, it would probably be a continuation of Team Flare or more history about AZ and the 3000 year war. Or South Kalos tries to start a war with the other parts of Kalos because of Team Flare.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117442)
If South Kalos is a thing, I have a feeling they will handle it in a similar manner as BW2. Closing off the starting area until post game. And then making us start in South Kalos. However, I am not sure it can be handled like BW2 as easily.

I don't think there would be 8 new gyms. Maybe 1 or 2 new gyms. And close off 1 or 2 others.

As for the plot, it would probably be a continuation of Team Flare or more history about AZ and the 3000 year war. Or South Kalos tries to start a war with the other parts of Kalos because of Team Flare.

The funny thing is that the second most southern town in XY is Vaniville (I think that was the starting town's name)

WingsofBliss February 13th, 2016 5:14 PM

I would actually like to start in Lumiose City for once. I don't know why, but yeah. I'm thinking of like if they have you backtrack through Lumiose a few times to traverse certain routes, like for a detour or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 5:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9117606)
I would actually like to start in Lumiose City for once. I don't know why, but yeah. I'm thinking of like if they have you backtrack through Lumiose a few times to traverse certain routes, like for a detour or something.

Didn't one of the rivals' family live there? I think it was the Dex guy's family irc.

Nekaku February 13th, 2016 5:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9117606)
I would actually like to start in Lumiose City for once. I don't know why, but yeah. I'm thinking of like if they have you backtrack through Lumiose a few times to traverse certain routes, like for a detour or something.

Would make sense. You do backtrack a lot in the game to it and it seems as the hub city in the anime

Z25 February 13th, 2016 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117359)
Any if by some amazing chance this was 6.5 how many pokemon do you think would be added? I don't think more than 30 would. Maybe a max of 40. What would South Kalos be though? We have Coastal, Mountain, and Central, and the southern half looks like it would have mountains and maybe another body of water.

I'd say 30 minimum, 70 maximum( if they wanted to double XY's amount)

I could see 30 more and have it be on par with Johto.

As for where we start, I could see two things playing out:

The same town as XY,
Except the north part would be blocked off, and a new path through the start would open up. Maybe we take a cave?

If in Luminous, they could brings us through underground Luminous, and then the other area's are blocked off until later.

The underground could lead to the southern Kalos and then we work our way around. They could also switch up the gym order if they wanted to. Maybe have the original kalos leaders be the Kanto of this? We have a new set of leaders, then we work our way around to the originals after the E4?

Sun February 13th, 2016 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9117442)
If South Kalos is a thing, I have a feeling they will handle it in a similar manner as BW2. Closing off the starting area until post game. And then making us start in South Kalos. However, I am not sure it can be handled like BW2 as easily.

I don't think there would be 8 new gyms. Maybe 1 or 2 new gyms. And close off 1 or 2 others.

As for the plot, it would probably be a continuation of Team Flare or more history about AZ and the 3000 year war. Or South Kalos tries to start a war with the other parts of Kalos because of Team Flare.

Yass, gimme a Dark-type Gym, Poison Gym and Ramus' Grass Gym as the final Gym. Ice can be a final Gym, so why not the Grass-type? They will need to kick out Korrina the spotlight stealing squad along her canines and Olympia the basic and boring.

Prequel of Team Flare please, not continuation.

Vaniville as the final destination though, unless we are dying over there it's a pointless place to go to. ;) Not to mention that Route 1 is awful.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 8:16 PM

People think that Kalos will look like a Hexagon with a south portion added, but if they add all of France to Kalos it'll still look like a Pentagon as France is kind of Pentagonal in real life.
Actually perfect Zygarde's head is kind of shaped like a Pentagon... and 50%'s head kind of looks like an upside down pentagon. It's most noticeable in it's official art work. https://bignadaquasar.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/f725a-zygarde_by_theangryaron-d6pgnq4.png

Iceshadow3317 February 13th, 2016 8:54 PM

It would be nice to start in Lumiouse. I would love for each section to have its own story and then they all combine into one story and we have to revisit areas again.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 13th, 2016 9:24 PM

I'm thinking that Z might not be a typical third version... Perhaps it'll be at first an interquel, one where the adventure ends up going south instead of north. With southern Kalos having it's own league. In the south we could get the tale behind how Flare got Xerneas and Yvetal, and perhaps an extended role for Malva. Perhaps Malva was the one in charge of southern Kalos.


Sun vmed me about something Blue (member here) found on 4Chan. Masuda apparently went to southern France for what he said was to "study". Which seems like perhaps southern Kalos will be a thing.
Here's the link http://4archive.org/board/vp/thread/24813349

During WW II the Nazi's occupied northern France, while southern France was a puppet. Perhaps if Flare is indeed based on the Nazi's, then Flare's role in southern Kalos could be different. Their main area of activity is to the north, but in the south they can play more of a hidden, behind the scenes role.


Edit: So I plotted the places that Masuda went to and noticed that they are all in deep southern france. Could this be more for a future region...

WingsofBliss February 14th, 2016 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sun (Post 9117721)
Yass, gimme a Dark-type Gym

We have waited 20 years too long for this, my friend. If they don't do this now or in Gen 7, I'll starve myself in protest.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9117807)
Sun vmed me about something Blue (member here) found on 4Chan. Masuda apparently went to southern France for what he said was to "study". Which seems like perhaps southern Kalos will be a thing.
Here's the link http://4archive.org/board/vp/thread/24813349

During WW II the Nazi's occupied northern France, while southern France was a puppet. Perhaps if Flare is indeed based on the Nazi's, then Flare's role in southern Kalos could be different. Their main area of activity is to the north, but in the south they can play more of a hidden, behind the scenes role.


Edit: So I plotted the places that Masuda went to and noticed that they are all in deep southern france. Could this be more for a future region...

I remember reading about that in another forum during that August timeframe. Unfortunately, a lot of people in the "anti-Gen 6.5/Southern Kalos" group had immediately shot it down in a flame war and pretty much buried it in the discussion, so it was kind of hard to find.


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