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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 5:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132551)
Yeah I truly hope the days of 3rd versions are done not just for Pokemon but for all games. The whole GotY edition and definitive editions are kinda going a bit crazy in the past few years. Besides sequels are just more fun. Thing with XY is it could totally get away with sequels out of any of the gens due to to have lots of things unanswered. Like one of the biggest things is where AZ will go since the end of XY did not explain too much. XY left a chunk of unanswered things and in a way Episode Delta did too that could lead into XY2 or something. Plus with enough content for the anniversary it could surpass BW2

I think that GF left the door open to 3rd versions by not doing DLC, not even the free kind (they said they wouldn't like doing paid DLC). If they had DLC then the desire for 3rd versions would vanish.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9132585)
I think that GF left the door open to 3rd versions by not doing DLC, not even the free kind (they said they wouldn't like doing paid DLC). If they had DLC then the desire for 3rd versions would vanish.

That is my point. In a world of DLC 3rd versions are kinda pointless making me wonder if that was one of the reasons to BW2. Platinum was 2008 and I don't think DLC was a big thing or even out till 2009. Of course I can't move this theory just yet. While we got sequels in Gen 5 it is too soon to say. Though if we don't get 3rd versions this gen I think it is safe to say the concept is gone. Though in a way Victini event was in a way DLC if you think about it. Used a code to get an event you could not get normally in BW.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132605)
That is my point. In a world of DLC 3rd versions are kinda pointless making me wonder if that was one of the reasons to BW2. Platinum was 2008 and I don't think DLC was a big thing or even out till 2009. Of course I can't move this theory just yet. While we got sequels in Gen 5 it is too soon to say. Though if we don't get 3rd versions this gen I think it is safe to say the concept is gone. Though in a way Victini event was in a way DLC if you think about it. Used a code to get an event you could not get normally in BW.

DS games had no DLC, so even if they wanted to, BW couldn't have any. Looking at it that way Mew would've been DLC, which it's not as it's not downloadable, it more of an unlock. Sadly it seems that GF didn't make XYOrAs with Dlc in mind, especially XY. Maybe to prevent Nintendo from pestering them about it. If they had we would've gotten theOrAs mega stones in XY, or at least the ability to trade them over. People call this patch, but those are to fix glitches. Dlc is more accurate for such an addition.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 6:21 PM

You know let's go with it being a 3rd version with lots of stuff for the 20th anniversary like Kalos 6.5 Pokemon O makes a lot of sense over Z since O is the center where XY meet on a graph and it is the center and the middle is the center while the middle of Gen 6 would truly be 6.5. :)

Though that old rumor about plus and minus is making sense if you want to go with negative and positive numbers on a graph. Maybe for Gen 7? Which is weird since that rumor predicted a hybrid system like the NX is rumored to be.... Interesting.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 7:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132628)
You know let's go with it being a 3rd version with lots of stuff for the 20th anniversary like Kalos 6.5 Pokemon O makes a lot of sense over Z since O is the center where XY meet on a graph and it is the center and the middle is the center while the middle of Gen 6 would truly be 6.5. :)

Though that old rumor about plus and minus is making sense if you want to go with negative and positive numbers on a graph. Maybe for Gen 7? Which is weird since that rumor predicted a hybrid system like the NX is rumored to be.... Interesting.

Or 0 (zero). It's possible, but it'll be nice if they used the third axis, seeing how they admited that XY were named after the axis, plus 3D is made up of XYZ. In a way Pokemon XYZ would be a more creative way of calling the Kalos games Pokemon 3D, hey maybe it'll be called that if not Z.

Z25 February 24th, 2016 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132628)
You know let's go with it being a 3rd version with lots of stuff for the 20th anniversary like Kalos 6.5 Pokemon O makes a lot of sense over Z since O is the center where XY meet on a graph and it is the center and the middle is the center while the middle of Gen 6 would truly be 6.5. :)

Though that old rumor about plus and minus is making sense if you want to go with negative and positive numbers on a graph. Maybe for Gen 7? Which is weird since that rumor predicted a hybrid system like the NX is rumored to be.... Interesting.

It's funny you bring this up!

I was thinking about plus and minus earlier. What if it just showed up in the direct?

A lot of it's points are interesting and could make for a good 20th anniversary game if touched upon.

It incorporates things GF wanted, simplifies the battle system, and more. It could feel like a reboot and love letter to the fans because it gives them things they've wanted.

Plus it's been two years since it first popped up, and barely anyone remembers it.

If its somehow real, it makes sense that it be on the NX with what we know about it. Perhaps it will launch on Wii U first, then NX?

Like Twilight Princess did, and zelda U seems to be doing.

It''s still probably fake, but really funny how a lot of it's info makes sense with what we seen them trying to do today.

It also could work as a Kalos sequel, if done right and align with the strange souvenir and the statement about how they want the next game after XY to be very different then what we expect.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9132672)
Or 0 (zero). It's possible, but it'll be nice if they used the third axis, seeing how they admited that XY were named after the axis, plus 3D is made up of XYZ. In a way Pokemon XYZ would be a more creative way of calling the Kalos games Pokemon 3D, hey maybe it'll be called that if not Z.

That would make more sense tbh than just Z. Plus even if the plot is not even Zygarde focused but instead maybe Kalos 2.5 that would not hurt the anime compared to if it was Z and was just a 3rd version. Though Pokemon Zero just sounds cool :)

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Originally Posted by zoroarkrules25 (Post 9132694)
It's funny you bring this up!

I was thinking about plus and minus earlier. What if it just showed up in the direct?

A lot of it's points are interesting and could make for a good 20th anniversary game if touched upon.

It incorporates things GF wanted, simplifies the battle system, and more. It could feel like a reboot and love letter to the fans because it gives them things they've wanted.

Plus it's been two years since it first popped up, and barely anyone remembers it.

If its somehow real, it makes sense that it be on the NX with what we know about it. Perhaps it will launch on Wii U first, then NX?

Like Twilight Princess did, and zelda U seems to be doing.

It''s still probably fake, but really funny how a lot of it's info makes sense with what we seen them trying to do today.

It also could work as a Kalos sequel, if done right and align with the strange souvenir and the statement about how they want the next game after XY to be very different then what we expect.


Having the new game on Wii U as a sort of transition to NX would be interesting. Would truly be a 20th anniversary game since people have wanted a Pokemon main game for years. If it was a mix of main series mixed with Col/GoD that could be amazing. Also would let GF have a go at doing a main console HD JRPG before going full fledged with Gen 7. Even if NX is part handheld Vita has shown us handhelds can be on par with home console games. Plus it could be like Kingdom Hearts. How the game has home console and handheld games and they are all canon.

Pinkie-Dawn February 24th, 2016 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132495)
I will be so happy if this game is them listening to the fans over the years.

Bleh! I hate it when companies try to listen to the fans, because let's be honest, the fanbase has no clue of what they really wanted, especially on how divisive they can be. Plus it'll show that Game Freak has run out of ideas and are now resorting to only fan ideas for gameplay features. It's how Sonic became a huge mess that it is today. It's things like this is why I hope the third version is Gen 6.5, as well as the NX revealed to be not what the rumors described it to be and how the "fans" wish it would be.

Nekaku February 24th, 2016 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9132719)
Bleh! I hate it when companies try to listen to the fans, because let's be honest, the fanbase has no clue of what they really wanted, especially on how divisive they can be. Plus it'll show that Game Freak has run out of ideas and are now resorting to only fan ideas for gameplay features. It's how Sonic became a huge mess that it is today. It's things like this is why I hope the third version is Gen 6.5, as well as the NX revealed to be not what the rumors described it to be and how the "fans" wish it would be.

Not true at all. At this rate fans could make better games than GF can. GF is true afraid to try new things and that is what Pokemon needs. Fresh concepts. In a way they kinda have run out of ideas since most of the ideas are rinse and repeat at this point. Which is the main reason I hope it is not Pokemon Z. Most fans want a change over the typical 8 badges,evil team and league concept let alone a 3rd version of a sub par story. Sonic only became a mess due to the handling of the games post the 2D era. That and Sonic fans just being very "interesting" people. *Flashback to Magfest 2015* Either way evidence of not just rumors but other things are pointing towards NX being a fusion let alone the fact Miyamoto liked the idea and hinting to it before NX was even announced almost a year ago.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 7:54 PM

Z is a cool name. Could just be Zero (it has a Z!) for double meaning.

Pinkie-Dawn February 24th, 2016 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9132732)
Not true at all. At this rate fans could make better games than GF can. GF is true afraid to try new things and that is what Pokemon needs. Fresh concepts. In a way they kinda have run out of ideas since most of the ideas are rinse and repeat at this point. Which is the main reason I hope it is not Pokemon Z. Most fans want a change over the typical 8 badges,evil team and league concept let alone a 3rd version of a sub par story. Sonic only became a mess due to the handling of the games post the 2D era. That and Sonic fans just being very "interesting" people. *Flashback to Magfest 2015* Either way evidence of not just rumors but other things are pointing towards NX being a fusion let alone the fact Miyamoto liked the idea and hinting to it before NX was even announced almost a year ago.

Taking ideas from fans is never a good thing; ORAS happened because of fan demand, and look how that turned out. Not only does it limit a company's creativity, but there's also the issue of lawsuit if a companies in general, not just Game Freak, ever try to use a fan's idea. You just have to pray that one of their ideas they came up with in-house coincides with a fan's idea to avoid any possible lawsuit. The image I showed you about how the three systems parallel with tablets, smartphones, and PC should tell you that NX may not be a fusion but possibly a PC system, which obviously the mainline Pokémon games won't be moving to (only the 3DS's successor).

MarioManH February 24th, 2016 8:58 PM

If the Direct does announce a new game (which is most likely the case), I hope said game will have a far bigger post-story game than what we were given with X/Y & ORAS. Perhaps new features to be introduced? (Like the PWT was to B2&W2 or as the Battle Frontier was to Emerald).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 9:40 PM

I'm hoping for a BF style post game, maybe some new areas are unlocked post game like how we could visit East Unova in BW only after we defeated Ghetsis.

MarioManH February 24th, 2016 9:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9132844)
I'm hoping for a BF style post game, maybe some new areas are unlocked post game like how we could visit East Unova in BW only after we defeated Ghetsis.

I'm honestly hoping for something on the scale of visiting a second region (Like G/S/C/HG/SS). There was so much given to us with the inclusion of Kanto that it made the game seem like you only completed a solid 50% of it when you beat the Elite Four for the first time. Then on top of that you're given the challenge to fight Red, which is pretty damn cool. I'm not saying they should add Hoenn (God I would love this though, even though ORAS came out 1 1/2 years ago) or another old region, but just something to that nature that would give us so much more to do. Hopefully they don't throw in a PWT and expect that willl sate most people for an after game, because that honestly felt like something quick and easy to throw in. After all it only felt like the Battle Tower with nostalgia thrown in the mix (In my opinion at least, and I'm not saying they shouldn't re introduce it, just not have it be a main core factor in the after game).

firekid115 February 24th, 2016 9:59 PM

I'm not even sure if this would be expecting "too much" but given how similar they made Kalos to Kanto, I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to visit another region for the post game, as a nod to gen 2. I wouldn't be surprised if we were able to revisit Hoenn.

MarioManH February 24th, 2016 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by firekid115 (Post 9132866)
I'm not even sure if this would be expecting "too much" but given how similar they made Kalos to Kanto, I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to visit another region for the post game, as a nod to gen 2. I wouldn't be surprised if we were able to revisit Hoenn.

For all we know, the next game could tie in both XY and ORAS.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MarioManH (Post 9132855)
I'm honestly hoping for something on the scale of visiting a second region (Like G/S/C/HG/SS). There was so much given to us with the inclusion of Kanto that it made the game seem like you only completed a solid 50% of it when you beat the Elite Four for the first time. Then on top of that you're given the challenge to fight Red, which is pretty damn cool. I'm not saying they should add Hoenn (God I would love this though, even though ORAS came out 1 1/2 years ago) or another old region, but just something to that nature that would give us so much more to do. Hopefully they don't throw in a PWT and expect that willl sate most people for an after game, because that honestly felt like something quick and easy to throw in. After all it only felt like the Battle Tower with nostalgia thrown in the mix (In my opinion at least, and I'm not saying they shouldn't re introduce it, just not have it be a main core factor in the after game).

It might seem like they wouldn't do it because of the gap between OrAs and 'Z' being short, but then one thinks back to Yellow and GS. GS came out a year (1999) or so (might be slightly less or more than a full 12 month year)after Yellow (1998). In orderwords, it's entirely possible. Maybe then we'll see Wallace as champion, and The BF. Perhaps if one links it to OR/As it'll cause the opposite legendary to appear in Terra Cavern/Marine Cavern (the Emerald caves). Also, maybe a Jirachi event. It could also be Kanto, Gen V might just be an abnormally in it's generational reign (still appears in each systems thus far except for the 3DS) .

Rivvon February 24th, 2016 10:30 PM

Perhaps they could re-introduce PokéStar Studios. It would give Diantha something to do, at least.



Actually, I'm thinking now that perhaps early on in the Direct, they may show Magearna and reveal its Typing. Then they'd take it from there, with another new Mythical Pokémon reveal and maybe a Mega or a few if the next game is a third version to XY.

MarioManH February 24th, 2016 10:30 PM

I think it's safe to assume that the game will most definitely involve Kalos and Zygrade, as the anime has already expanded upon Zygrade in its entirety. We could also be seeing new Mega Evolutions because of this whole "Ash's Geninja" thing, which might just be an unconfirmed Mega Greninja?

Rivvon February 24th, 2016 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MarioManH (Post 9132906)
I think it's safe to assume that the game will most definitely involve Kalos and Zygrade, as the anime has already expanded upon Zygrade in its entirety. We could also be seeing new Mega Evolutions because of this whole "Ash's Geninja" thing, which might just be an unconfirmed Mega Greninja?

I dunno, I never liked the idea of something so inherently anime-based becoming so major to the games. And if Mega Greninja is based on Ash, does that mean Mega Delphox is gonna be based on Serena, and Mega Chesnaught based on Clemont? It just seems rather silly to me. I'd rather they get Megas that aren't based on anime characters. And if people are that disappointed at the lack of Ash-Greninja, just make it available as a "special" Pokémon similar to the Spiky-Eared Pichu.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 24th, 2016 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9132904)
Perhaps they could re-introduce PokéStar Studios. It would give Diantha something to do, at least.



Actually, I'm thinking now that perhaps early on in the Direct, they may show Magearna and reveal its Typing. Then they'd take it from there, with another new Mythical Pokémon reveal and maybe a Mega or a few if the next game is a third version to XY.

Or perhaps they'll leave Magearna hanging in the air to raise speculation as to it being an extra Gen 6 mon or Gen 7 like how they treated Sylveon's typing.

Pokemon_Hero February 24th, 2016 11:52 PM

Now it is most likely Z or XY2.
It's not even a secret anymore.. everyone knows it is it.

WingsofBliss February 25th, 2016 12:16 AM

I've often wondered...

I know that Zygarde's Pokedex entry says it monitors Kalos' ecosystem, so one would assume it's a Kalos-exclusive Legendary, right? I still strongly feel that we'll have a Zygarde-centered plot, but what if it doesn't just include Kalos?

Meh, forget it. I'm all out of speculative diesel fuel for now. One more day left, and we'll all finally be put out of our misery.

Nekaku February 25th, 2016 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9132793)
Taking ideas from fans is never a good thing; ORAS happened because of fan demand, and look how that turned out. Not only does it limit a company's creativity, but there's also the issue of lawsuit if a companies in general, not just Game Freak, ever try to use a fan's idea. You just have to pray that one of their ideas they came up with in-house coincides with a fan's idea to avoid any possible lawsuit. The image I showed you about how the three systems parallel with tablets, smartphones, and PC should tell you that NX may not be a fusion but possibly a PC system, which obviously the mainline Pokémon games won't be moving to (only the 3DS's successor).

ORAS was more loved than XY though and you can't assume 3DS will have a successor. You need to not look at it how you want at look the pretty much the facts and the facts so far are NX is taking over The PC connect is just to make access to things like downloads easier since Nintendo is very behind with that. If your expecting a PC system getting ready to be let down. With leaks like NX is expecting a PS4 title and games are being made for it it is obvious a gaming platform and with how poorly Wii U went them fusing a system makes the most sense. The days of a handheld and home console is over and that is the way it should be.

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Originally Posted by Pokemon_Hero (Post 9132966)
Now it is most likely Z or XY2.
It's not even a secret anymore.. everyone knows it is it.

Meh not really could be anything tbh. Only reason people are thinking Z or XY2 is that is what we have been given before (3rd versions and sequels) which is a bad way to think. Since we all expected Grey due to getting 3rd versions and we got BW2 over it. So keeping an open mind is for the best since we could get anything. Heck we could get Orre with GF confirming Coli/God as canon. Which I think should be canon since they are jrpgs that do connect with the main series. Even if they were made by a separate company. Idk I just in my mind called them canon for that fact.

Juice585 February 25th, 2016 4:28 AM

I do hope Diantha is tied in more, somehow.


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