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Palamon January 24th, 2016 10:57 PM

What Were These Games Missing?
 
Do you feel like anything was missing from OR/AS? Besides Mega Flygon and Milotic, of course.

Sopheria January 25th, 2016 4:49 AM

Battle Frontier. I could go on and on about how these games should have had a Battle Frontier. Also, Sky Battles, though I know not a whole lot of people liked these in X&Y, I still say it would have been really cool to have wild encounters while soaring be in Sky Battle format.

classiccartoonsftw January 25th, 2016 5:16 AM

I'm gonna say an obvious one: Trainer customization.

Nothing Is Real January 26th, 2016 8:48 AM

Battle frontier and trainer customization were the biggest let downs, definitely.

Also, I know they couldn't add this because "gambling" but remakes of old games with the game corner taken out removes a great deal of charm.

Otamajakushi January 26th, 2016 5:18 PM

I'm not too upset about the Battle Frontier or Customization, but there's a lot of features from past games that I really wish would eventually make an appearance. Following Pokemon, for example.

I read a comment a while ago that feature like that are what make the games they were in special. (The comment specifically referred to trainer customization, but I think it applies to other features as well.) And, I can kind of agree with that, but at the same time, I kinda want... nyaa...

That said, in addition to the things others have mentioned, I would have liked to see some sort of interaction with the pedometer in the 3DS. Something could have been done to get that PokeWalker feel.

The Evil Mewtwo January 27th, 2016 9:02 PM

Yep they are missing Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde and also naming rivals.

Cassandra January 28th, 2016 2:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Noob Buster (Post 9094368)
Yep they are missing Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde and also naming rivals.

Those legendaries were available in XY which is why they are not available in ORAS.

The only thing I think the game was missing was the Battle Frontier, which was a huge letdown because I know many, many people were looking forward to it. Trainer customization was planned to be an exclusive feature for Pokemon X and Y, so it makes sense that it wouldn't get in.

Oh, it was also missing the music GBA player. Remember in Heartgold and Soulsilver how you could get the GB Player that would play the music from the original game? ORAS is in DIRE need of that.

TEAMZaphods January 28th, 2016 6:32 PM

I would've liked a more expansive Safari Zone. I think that the Safari Zone that we have in this version of the game kind of stinks compared to Fire Red. I don't get the same rush I did when I get something in there. I just use False Swipe and I'm good to go.

Sopheria January 29th, 2016 2:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TEAMZaphods (Post 9095422)
I would've liked a more expansive Safari Zone. I think that the Safari Zone that we have in this version of the game kind of stinks compared to Fire Red. I don't get the same rush I did when I get something in there. I just use False Swipe and I'm good to go.

Yea, this Safari Zone needed a lot to be desired. Usually a Safari Zone has some "catch" to it (no pun intended), such as the one in Kanto having a time limit, the one in Johto you could customize and put down certain items to adjust which Pokemon appear, even the one in the original RSE had a neat twist with being able to put Pokeblocks into the Pokeblock feeder to adjust what Nature the Pokemon had. This one doesn't have anything like that, it's just like any other place for catching Pokemon. Not sure why they made it like that in this game ~_~

Versil January 29th, 2016 2:54 AM

In all honesty, the classic Safari Zones are just a pain nowadays when you can get Pokémon you're missing through GTS or even Wonder Trade.

I definitely agree that the lack of the Battle Frontier was a bad decision, but I'll also add that the decision was as dumb as the reasoning behind it. Limiting postgame content, are we in Gen I again?

Cassandra's idea of the GBA player, absolutely agreed. There also should have been some sort of a jukebox option. Instead of the one NPC that changes the overworld theme, only in the Resort, and on top of that to a random one. Delta Episode's done, you won't hear The Heirs to Eternity in-game ever. And in the music department, there's one more thing missing. Wally's theme in the rematches. Brutally replaced with the regular trainer theme in all Maison battles with him. Good job, Gamefreak, stealing a theme from a sick kid. Those two things bug me. A lot.

While I could also say that I agree with the small things like walking Pokémon (which would be neat) or customization (which I'm neutral towards, solely due to never having played XY), I prefer to bring up something bigger. The Gym Leaders. For one, they lack any improvement from their RS teams. The fact that Flannery has her team slightly changed from the original RS one quashes all excuses. Great step backwards from Emerald there, only Norman could say he benefited from it in some way. Tate and Liza turned to a complete joke. No rematches available, like they were in Emerald or HGSS. So much could have been done there. And nothing was.

And from minor things, Voltorb Flip as a minigame. It was already coined up (pun intended) to get rid of all gambling connotations. Yes, it's hard to master. But it was a neat break opportunity when you want to do something different than make use of the fully functional Battle Frontier

TEAMZaphods January 29th, 2016 7:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sopheria (Post 9095768)
Yea, this Safari Zone needed a lot to be desired. Usually a Safari Zone has some "catch" to it (no pun intended), such as the one in Kanto having a time limit, the one in Johto you could customize and put down certain items to adjust which Pokemon appear, even the one in the original RSE had a neat twist with being able to put Pokeblocks into the Pokeblock feeder to adjust what Nature the Pokemon had. This one doesn't have anything like that, it's just like any other place for catching Pokemon. Not sure why they made it like that in this game ~_~

It upsets me a little bit that they even call it a Safari Zone. It's just an area with a lot of wild Pokemon that you battle with.

Pinkie-Dawn January 29th, 2016 10:44 AM

An expanded Hoenn dex that isn't cross-gen evolutions. It would've helped accommodate the issue of Hoenn's gym leader/Elite Four rosters repeating Pokemon from the same family line (looking at you, Glacia).

blue January 29th, 2016 12:12 PM

I think they should have integrated some of the features that Emerald introduced. They did it with HGSS, so I don't really understand why they didn't do it with ORAS unless they have future plans related to that. Eusine and the Suicune storyline are present in HGSS, that was something exclusive to Crystal which led me to believe that we would see Scott and Juan in the Ruby and Sapphire remakes.

Bounsweet January 29th, 2016 1:08 PM

More challenging Contests, a better Safari Zone that implemented PokéBlocks again (remember how you'd have a better chance of getting a Pokémon with a nature that liked the flavor of PokéBlock you put out for bait? Good times), trainer customization would have been nice but I can understand why it was omitted. I would have liked Battle Frontier but it makes sense why it wasn't in the games - it was in Emerald, not Ruby/Sapphire.

This is also minor but I do really like that you can get both the Acro and Mach bikes in this game, but it would have been more practical to just have Rydel give you a whole new bike that used both features (and was green, since Mach was blue and Acro was red but anyway), and you could just switch gears with L/R, or something along that nature. It's kind of annoying having to switch between both bikes in the Safari Zone, for instance.

Aisu January 30th, 2016 10:22 PM

The Battle Frontier's already been brought up, so I'll just say difficulty; I found the games pretty simple and easy to complete.

Sun January 30th, 2016 10:34 PM

I'm completely with all the posts here.

Add Gym Leader and rival rematches for me.

LilyGardy January 31st, 2016 4:49 AM

Trainer customisation and Gym Leader Rematches for me.

Trainer customisation was in XY and it would have been nice to change our characters appearance
Even just being able to change colours (say give May Black Hair) would have been fine.

The lack of Gym Leader Rematches was a real disappointment. As it stands if I want to battle say Flannery again I either have to restart my game or play the White 2 PWT.

Sopheria January 31st, 2016 5:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9096169)
An expanded Hoenn dex that isn't cross-gen evolutions. It would've helped accommodate the issue of Hoenn's gym leader/Elite Four rosters repeating Pokemon from the same family line (looking at you, Glacia).

Well we do still at least get to go against some non-Hoenn native Pokémon when we rematch the Elite Four. Sidney uses a Scrafty, Zoroark, and Mandibuzz, for example, and Glacia uses an Abomasnow, Vanillish, and Beartic. In remakes they normally don't expand the Regional Dex beyond cross-gen evolutions, since we eventually obtain a National Dex at some point in the game anyways~

Another thing that these games are in dire need of is Wi-Fi multiplayer Pokémon Contest. Why are multiplayer contests limited to a local connection, Game Freak?? This is another one I've harped on a bit, but still, it makes me a bit sad every time I'm reminded of it and I can't help but think it's something they just...dropped the ball on ;;

bobandbill January 31st, 2016 5:44 AM

Battle Frontier, Wifi support for contests, more actual Trick Master... puzzles with trainers who had stronger Pokemon ala RSE (I liked having to be able to come back after every Gym, like it took him time to make the next one, and be challenged by the puzzle and the trainers in there), the Game Corner (but why is rather understandable)...

...But maybe I am saltiest about the lack of the Berry blending minigame. =(

Not really agreeing with the GBA sounds! While I like the RSE tunes themselves, the trumpet 'sample' used is... poor. Still, a couple songs may have been better (e.g. E4 battle theme - where's my clapping?), but in the end I didn't mind this not making the cut.

ddrox13 January 31st, 2016 6:17 AM

Needs moar character customization. That is all.

And decent music being replayable (coughHeirsToEternitycough)

Pinkie-Dawn January 31st, 2016 8:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sopheria (Post 9098440)
Well we do still at least get to go against some non-Hoenn native Pokémon when we rematch the Elite Four. Sidney uses a Scrafty, Zoroark, and Mandibuzz, for example, and Glacia uses an Abomasnow, Vanillish, and Beartic. In remakes they normally don't expand the Regional Dex beyond cross-gen evolutions, since we eventually obtain a National Dex at some point in the game anyways~

Except Victory Road had trainers using non-Hoenn native Pokémon in their teams, even if you didn't get the national dex after facing Primal Groudon/Kyogre, so the Elite Four could've gotten those non-natives in their team without waiting to rematch them.

esperance January 31st, 2016 8:51 AM

Character customization! It's literally why I keep going back and playing Y again, and I really missed it in ORAS.

Apart from that, Gym Leader rematches would have been nice. There are already a bunch of other trainer rematches. How hard would it have been to include Gym Leader rematches?

Hikamaru February 5th, 2016 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostelle (Post 9098630)
Apart from that, Gym Leader rematches would have been nice. There are already a bunch of other trainer rematches. How hard would it have been to include Gym Leader rematches?

What makes it even more jarring is talking to the Gym Leaders after you become Champion has some promising they'd battle you again.

esperance February 5th, 2016 2:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9105706)
What makes it even more jarring is talking to the Gym Leaders after you become Champion has some promising they'd battle you again.

I specifically remember talking to Roxanne and her saying that she was looking forward to battling again... Makes me wonder if that means they originally intended to have the rematches but cut it? Of course realizing that I never would get that rematch was even worse as a result.

Hikamaru February 5th, 2016 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostelle (Post 9105821)
I specifically remember talking to Roxanne and her saying that she was looking forward to battling again... Makes me wonder if that means they originally intended to have the rematches but cut it? Of course realizing that I never would get that rematch was even worse as a result.

You know, I was also thinking if the rematches were intended but were cut? But also, I knew the original Ruby & Sapphire lacked Gym Leader rematches so I was also sorta expecting no rematches given how much they stuck to the originals.


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