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Cultural Appropriation in Coldplay's Latest Music Video?
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There is no such thing as "cultural appropriation", only a bunch of authoritarian leftists crying over jack-shit because of their social-collective attitudes about people. The adoption/use of elements from another culture just shows how culture evolves and is not necessarily a bad thing. Who even cares if it's a damned hair cut; does it really matter in the long scheme of things?
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Who cares if it is cultural appropriation? What is so bad about it? What harm is it causing? Just let people do what they want.
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Speaking as an Indian, and admittedly Indians can be a bit indifferent to Coldplay in ordinary circumstances (so it's not unreciprocated distaste), the general point of the video itself would seem to be contrasting 'sophisticated' or 'intimidating' white culture, and artificially glamorous females, with a comparatively 'boring' or unfeminine Indian landscape, and it's not particularly flattering given that under the circumstances, with an image to look to and frivolous relationships with Western actresses to reinstitute, Coldplay are hardly going to identify with the Indians portrayed in contrast to that and as down-to-earth or whatever. At a certain point the question would seem to be whether similar archetypes occur elsewhere in media, implicitly directed towards the same targets, rather than the nature of the appropriation, as Coldplay are hardly going to make any particularly profound statements which would make this anything other than appropriation, ultimately. Assuming, as is the only reasonable option, that they aren't trying to subjugate themselves to the spirit of Holi (which might somehow involve girls acting Western, but then they wouldn't stop on other days), did they also just portray Holi as a bunch of people dancing to Coldplay songs? That's a peculiar conceit on their part, truly.
In any case, Coldplay do not have the capacity to write any form of serious 'celebration' of a half-decent culture quite distinct from them (which would presuppose more subtlety than they can enact), so perhaps they should just stick to celebrations of Jennifer Lawrence, Gwyneth Paltrow and Beyonce. They are appropriating. It's like expecting a celebration of Cathar culture from them, they have no connection and the rest would just be flavour. But, more problematically, where were the Weeknd, which is surely what everyone was hoping to see from a video in this kind of genre. Quote:
Anyway, what were you saying about leftist Pokémon masters with their evolving Pikachu? Let's all talk like Coldplay. |
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I also remember there was controversy with Coldplay and Rihanna's music video for Princess of China back in 2011. So this isn't the first time Coldplay got criticized for something similar.
Since I'm not Indian my personal thoughts probably won't matter in the grand scheme of things, but what illumine had said concerning Beyonce is what bothered me about this video. You have Beyonce in glamorous Indian attire with the other Indians looking on (in admiration, perhaps?). While I think it's fine to dress in attire from a culture different from yours if other people are fine with it, the video's execution didn't feel right to me. This is almost more or less my same feelings towards Princess of China, |
Honestly - and let this be seen as one of the rare instances when I agree with Badsheep and Thepowerofhax - I think the people complaining about this are making mountains out of molehills.
I watch that video and I see a British band exposing the western world to aspects of Indian culture. If they're not showing you negatively - and I don't think they are - just appreciate the exposure and move along. |
I see the video as Coldplay's way of respecting the culture, so I don't really see why it has gained this controversy.
If the video was about being transracial (I can't believe this term even exists) or had things like brown/yellow/black/ect. face, then I would have a problem. |
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If this is cultural appropriation then what about Princess of China from years ago? :P
Just move on or not watch it. They aren't even showing anything inappropriate or offensive, to be real honest. |
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If you don't know what Cultural Marxism is, (which is indeed not a "cool" thing as you say it is), it is essentially just like the toxic Marxists except for the fact that instead of their target being the have-nots and their enemy the have-nots, they target the minorities and their enemy is the majority. It ultimately leads to breaches of freedom of speech, a coddled generation of authoritarian leftists in Academia (the worst kind of authoritarian), greed (especially with how a lot of cultural marxists seem to be con-artists; see Anita Sarkeesian), etc. It's goal is to make everyone equal, but it stands on top of it's self when it's champions, just like real communism, are the same people who they were fighting (as many politicians and leaders in communist countries tend to be ridiculously rich) and leads to an anti-Meritocratic attitude and pro-Nepotism; great examples of this was when Stalin had fires his generals for ones that had the same/better ideology as his party, leading to a bunch of incompetent generals leading their armies into a meat grinder. Now, where does this come in? Did I mention that cultural appropriation is just cultural marxist/SJW jargon? It's just a music video that shows Holi. You're the one who's trying to make it seem like they're undermining Holi by making it look like all they do is dance to Coldplay. This, my dear friend, is something the cultural marxist would say. |
I don't really see any cultural appropriation. They literally just shot the video in India.
Let me show you what cultural appropriation in music videos looks like: Notice how it's not literally Egypt. And how almost none of the people in the video are obviously Egyptian. Notice how the aspects of Egyptian culture are either incredibly exaggerated, sexualized, or just completely misused. She literally used Egyptian culture and history as a prop. THAT'S cultural appropriation. It's a really gross video. But ultimately the decision on whether or not Coldplay were culturally appropriative is up to the citizens of India. |
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Are you implying Capitalism must be forced? Because true Capitalism is a free market with no government, where every interaction is voluntary. Any government interference would be force. The goal of liberals was not to get society ready for Capitalism (this illogical because it was classical liberals and the founding fathers who used Capitalism- meaning we started with it). The goal of liberals (NOT classical liberals) has been to help the poor with welfare, healthcare, min. wage- as well as the environment with economic regulations. The loud and enthusiastic liberals you all are talking about are the cultural Marxists. That statement is irrelevant. However, this is not to say all liberals are anything of the sort (i know many who are not at all). |
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A liberal would be pro-individual rights. The cultural Marxist would want everyone to be categorized into certain groups based on "oppression" and ultimately have no regard to individual rights. Some of them seem be be regressive while the liberal would still be pro-individual rights because of the fact that everyone is different. It is completely different in the regards, but the reason why it is called cultural Marxist is because it is so similar to real Marxism with it's outcomes. They both see one thing that is the cause of inequality (money v culture), they both are an authoritarian leftist ideology, both are ruled by the same people they fight (the majority's culture vs the ruling elite), both are anti/Meritocratic/anti-Intellectual and, of course, pro-Nepotism. They are both collectivists, normal Marxist being of the economic and social kind whilst the cultural Marxist are social collectivists. Also, cultural Marxism's origin is in real Marxism in Frankfurt, a neo-Marxist school. They are not "relativists". We have loudmouthed idiots attacking freedom of speech at Yale. We have a majority in these campuses who are against individual rights. They then, instead of a liberal, are a collectivist. By definition, the liberal is pro-individual rights while the collectivists have an emphasis on their collective; they are just like their communist and fascist cousins who were collectivists. Sarkeesian is a cultural Marxist; she is not liberal because she only cares about her collective (the radical feminist collective) who will attack anything that is against her ideology or pro-individual rights. She cannot be a liberal if she is against individual rights. |
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Like, have you actually educated yourself about cultural appropriation? Have you read any of the thousands of scholarly articles about it? What qualifies you to dismiss it so offhandedly? The only reason you ask "who cares" is because it doesn't affect you and because you know a lot less of the topic than you actually think. Anyways. I don't know if I'd call the video outright appropriation. It definitely made me raise an eyebrow (Beyonce's use of the sari in particular) but I'd label it more as insensitivity than appropriation. I'm glad that it's creating a discussion around white artists' use of other cultures as a backdrop for their music, though. That's been coming for a while. Quote:
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>Cultural Appropriation comes from Cultural Marxists, who are social collectivists. I'm not sure about you, but there's this magical thing called contradiction; a liberal cannot be a social collectivist because the collectivist doesn't support individual rights. Social Collectivists have always had trends towards authoritarianism and anti-liberalism; from far-right groups such as the Fascists to the far-left Communists. Social collectivism is toxic, just like the Cultural Marxists who endorse it. And if you want to be technical, cultural appropriation is only used to attack the labeled "enemy" of cultural appropriation. Because logically, I could say that African Americans shouldn't speak English because the appropriated the English language, but of course that has to be an "exception" because Cultural Marxists believe that culture causes inequality and that the human psyche is easily malleable (by shit such as indoctrination). So naturally, they would only think that the white man is the only one who could ever do such a travesty to such poor, defenseless people (as they make everyone they defend out to be) who can't take a fucking word. It's ridiculous that the collectivists hold a group of people more "accountable" just because they were born the "wrong" way, intoxicate communities, and make similar if not the same arguments of the alt-Right just because the person is either against their own ideology or happens to be a born enemy but hold up everyone else to a different standard where they are judged by how "oppressed" their group is. It's hypocrisy. There is nothing liberal when you say "cultural appropriation" and there is everything culturally Marxist when you say it. |
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I think I hear some South Asian influences in the music itself, so I don't think it's a big deal if the video matches the music. As for people watching Beyonce, well she's the featured artist and she was invited by Coldplay to sing the song, so I don't know if it's wise to look too much into that. |
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I can understand Coldplay wanting Beyonce to be in the video and it's likely the Indians were fine with her wearing the sari. It seems though her sari is much more eye popping than the other Indians wearing it. Granted it's a music video so they'll want her to be noticeable, but as I mentioned the execution just doesn't seem right. |
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@Thepowaofhax... I honest to god don't know how to reply to that post. I feel like debating someone who tries to push cultural Marxism in my face is just going to be more trouble than it's worth (especially given your track record of using any excuse to go on a rant against Those Darn SJWs), so like... I don't think a proper reply is gonna happen, sorry. |
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The problem with cultural appropriation is not one of offence. It is just a missed opportunity. It's proudly showing the world how shallow your understanding of a culture is, having had the chance to portray the real thing, true empathy for its people and an interest of what all the colors, garments, rituals etc. mean and originate from. It's just lazy.
It's also pretentious, and it makes you look like an asshole sometimes. It's like supporting a football team because you just like the colors of the uniform. Like buying a RED camera to shoot videos of your dog eating Doritos, or posting apocryphal Bob Marley quotes on social media. Not intrinsically bad. But douchey nonetheless. |
I don't see appropriation going on here. I see artistry. Very good artistry! Like seriously!
Nothing was appropriated, the video content was just a really good backdrop for the song. I don't see any reason for people to be upset. Really it's just another reason why you should always ignore Internet Trolls kiddos. EDIT: Top comment on video (Youtube) seems to support Indians not being offended by this at all. http://i.imgur.com/rJ7uBJf.png |
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