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Pretty disappointed it won't be happening. I was hoping all three would somehow end up in one debate.
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And what is the overall message exactly? To me, it's fighting for the things that will be best for the people. I believe that Sanders staying in the public eye is good for that and so do a lot of people. I do not see "negative vitriol" anywhere except from Trump and Trump-like people. Pointing out major flaws of the American government and democratic system is a good thing because without doing so we aren't ever going to fix them. Quote:
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Situations like this are exactly why the US electoral system seems really weird to an outsider like me. It essentially forces people on the same side to go to war for the Presidency. Here you vote for the party, not for the candidate and whoever is leading the party takes the spot of PM. There's been a lot of issues with our system sure, but I think a system in which Hillary or Sanders were heading a party and not fighting for themselves would have made things a lot less messy and would have made a Trump presidency extremely unlikely since few Republicans would give him control of the party.
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Sadly, to change anything you'd need to remake the entire US system from the ground, which requires amending the Constitution, which is just not going to happen. So yeah. In defence of the US systam, you get stability: 4-year terms with no snap elections ever and no motions of no-confidence or strange crap. On the down side, the system is so stable you cannot change anything in bulk, you can only move a tiny step a time, and most people feel disenfranchised because there are only two options to vote for (see: Badsheep being excited because the Libertarians might even take an utterly irrelevant 5% of the vote in a good year). You prevent political upheaval.... for the better and for the worse. And the "worse" is what Sanders is intent on showing with his campaign. |
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The problem is the electoral system. Unless you change it, you are going to have a two-party system eternally. Because if another conservative or left-wing party arises and becomes successful, everybody will leave the R/Ds and join them instead, because otherwise you are just splitting up the vote and handling a plurality win to "the other side". In the UK, everyone who used to vote Liberal now votes Labour, after the Liberals were overtaken by them in the 1920s. After all, it's the only way to stop a Conservative Government from happening! *not counting the SNP, who are essentially the one-party-state owners of Scotland. Quote:
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Look, I'm going to vote for whoever ends up against Trump, but I'm not going to be silent about how I feel and overlook the problems. If Clinton is so weak that a few harsh words from Sanders and his supporters is enough to make her lose an election then she probably wouldn't have won in the first place had Sanders never entered the race. All she has to do is adopt a few progressive stances, admit that she isn't perfect and that *gasp* she has been mistaken in the past and gotten better and that would greatly close up the sincerity gap and endear her to a lot of Bernie supporters and clench the election for her.
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As much as I dislike Trump, I dont think he is racist. I have to agree with @ShinyUmbreon here. |
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I think you might be right though- a lot of people may vote Clinton simply to vote out Trump and a lot of people may vote Trump to vote out Hillary. Racism: "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races." While Trump is anti-immigration, this does not make him racist. He does not claim that whites are superior to other races- that is unscientific and philosophically inconsistent. There are many other reasons he wants closed borders (I'm not agreeing with him): less money distributed to the immigrants in subsidies and helping prevent terrorism (the merits of this I am skeptical of). But a lot of people within the Alt-Right movement also suggest that this is a matter of keeping the Western values and culture that have been fought and built up over centuries, and the idea is to retain these values because the other cultures either lack them or contradict them (basically borders acting as cultural barriers). Again, not agreeing, but the reasons are not out of racism (although Im sure there are some like that, but not Trump), but for practical purposes. |
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Trump has not claimed to be a racist, no. But if we define racists based on self-identification there wouldn't be very many racists. We know there are a lot more. A lot of it is thinly-veiled suggestions and insinuations such as when a judge, Gonzalo Curiel, ordered recently to have some documents unsealed (related to the Trump University controversy) and Trump has to mention at a rally that the judge is "Mexican" - the judge was born in Indiana, not Mexico - because he's, what, being thorough? He's trying to associate being Mexican with being something bad. That's racist.
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I will contribute hello. I do not like Trump. He is racist, sexist and overall a bad choice for a president. I prefer Bernie. He will do better, I believe. That is all. I shall say nothing more.
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what does anybody know this guy can bernie sanders please win california jeez this race gets better and better |
News alert: if every superdelegate voted for the candidate winning in their state (acting like winner-takes-all delegates or something), Clinton would still win because she has won more states. And, as Nate Silver said, if the big plan is getting superdelegates to support Sanders despite Clinton winning the primary, well, I'm sure the people who voted for Clinton (who are the majority) will take it nicely, won't they?
I mean. Whoever wins will be a mess. But only one of the two can claim she's won the primary. Much as I would like Sanders to be the candidate, this is pretty much the same as if the Republicans had maneuvered to get Cruz in the convention. Two interesting articles: Sanders isn't doing well with "true" independents (he's just sweeping every democratic voter who calls herself an independent) and The system isn't rigged against Sanders - he's just getting fewer votes than Clinton |
Clinton may have more votes, but lots of people aren't going to forget how she got those votes with the help of the mainstream media who have been far and away Clinton supporters (if they're not Republicans) and hardly ever gave Sanders a fair shot. I mean, after every debate they said "Clinton won" regardless of how the debate went. If you just read the headlines you'd think Sanders was an escapee from a mental institution or a bomb throwing communist. And plenty of people do only read the headlines, if that. The media completely failed in their duty as an institution of democracy, that is, informing the voting public.
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Feels like they were trying to color the vote tomorrow to stave off a bad show in California. People, for some reason, often like to vote for whoever is "winning" and Clinton certainly wants to have the title going into the vote tomorrow. I think it's a mistake. This is going to create a lot of "Bernie or Bust" people.
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So I'm assuming 2 people can't win the nomination? That's too bad... Although I would be happy with Hilary as well.
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It is going to affect the narrative though, because now any victory of hers (538 give her a 80+% chance of winning and the early vote results support that) will be dismissed as a result of the early call distorting the vote. She's going to win, but I'm pretty sure this primary is not what she had wanted in the slightest. Now her future rests on the way she'll accomodate the Bernie voters. |
woo can finally fucking vote in the primaries
Besides New Jersey and California, what other states are voting today? |
I went and voted as soon as the polls opened at 7 AM today because I had to turn in my NPP (no party preference) mail vote (because it didn't include a presidental candidate option) and I was worried they might not have enough if I waited until later. The little old ladies running the thing were a little confused at first, but at least it got sorted out and I didn't end up with a provisional ballot, which I was worried might happen.
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