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The backlash here is beyond unwarranted. It's like Brexit all over again. What I expected would happen if Trump won, honestly. I think Trump was the better of the two options, guess I'm a neo-nazi now.
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Some of my Clinton supporter peers in school were pretty triggered, but most of them accepted it. One of my friends was super triggered. I didnt even try to poke him; it was pretty funny actually xD
For some reason the hardcore Trump people were extra cancerous. I try to stay neutral in debates at school because its more interesting and I can challenge both sides. This statement was actually pro-Trump, where I said in response to some Trump guys "Hillary Clinton and Obama know exactly what they are doing, and that is why I do not support them." For some reason they could not comprehend that I wasn't being contradictory and could not accept that maybe Clinton and Obama aren't idiots. |
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But the reasons, yeah, that's important to figure out so that we can stop this from happening again. Trump definitely played on white middle America's fears. The wall. No Muslim immigration. That's the kind of authoritarian populism that works when you've got a large group afraid of "the other". A housemate of a friend (a moderate conservative) was told that here in California white people aren't even 50% of the population and her response was "It's like it's not even our country anymore." That was her unabashed, unscripted response. Now, she's no Klan member or anything like that, but that's the kind of response I think runs through a lot of Americans' minds. That their country is becoming not their country. There's a worrying underlying idea with that mindset, one that assumes that non-whites don't really "belong" the way white people do, and Trump was tapping into it with his vaguely racist remarks and proposals. And then you add to that the populist economic talk. Bring back the jobs, stop the unfair trade deals, protect American workers. It's a plea to fairness. It's a simple idea. Fair and simple is a good combo for getting your message across. It still ties in to the vaguely anti-other sentiments (Mexico took our jobs, China took our manufacturing) with the associated racial implication, but since it's not directly pitting one group of Americans against another it can be more appealing to a wider group. The message is still, overall, about fairness. There's a kind of narrative element at play, too. We used to be the best, but then bad people hurt us and we're going to get revenge of a sort by taking out stuff back. It makes people feel justified in their anger and it gives them a target for their anger. That target was the establishment. Which brings us to the other element of his success: the view of politics in the country. People have been upset by politics for a while. There was the rise of the Tea Party a few years ago, one of the first big cracks in the way the major parties operate. The breakdown among the Republican party leadership let some crazy types different kinds into the party (let's call them "non-traditional politicians") so that there was fractured leadership and direction. That made the Republican field in the primaries crowded so that someone like Trump, who normally wouldn't last long, get a chance because he was only one of a few who wasn't acting like things were still normal within the party. The massive media coverage of Trump was enough to get his candidacy more attention than the few other non-traditional candidates (like Ben Carson). Add to that the relative weakness of Clinton (for some of the same reasons regarding corporate sponsorship/politics-as-usual) and you've got an upset like we saw. |
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To start off with this burning dumpster fire of an opinion- it's not even related to the thing that's been said. "Minorities have genuine fear founded in reality" "Well i'm not fearful and also black people are worse than white people because i don't understand history" Is just... so, so strange to see. I don't even know where to start on that awfully racist idea of less civilised savages, but rest assured the entire thing you've said there is false and not grounded in reality at all. Not to mention that that's just one minority, and you've only just made the point presented stronger through your offensive words and wrong information Quote:
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But you did knowingly support one, they all knowingly supported one. Is supporting a racist, a homophobe, a xenophobic misogynist different from holding those views yourself? When his platform was built upon those ideals of bigotry, and padded with lies and vague statements adorned with objectively bad policies, can you really be absolved of anything on that front? Isn't it worse to support someone like that when you don't consider yourself any of the negative things he is than it is for the KKK to support Trump? |
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So guys, I think this may be part of a reason why Trump won the election. About 11,000 citizens voted for a dead gorilla over Clinton and Trump.
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Has this quote been mentioned in the thread already? It's a good one, and sums up much of the confusion surrounding this election quite well:
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And I think @Esper hit the nail on the head about the fears thing. And I do not believe Trump is racist. Just because you (Aliencommander) think that Trump is racist does not mean that I am suddenly immoral for supporting him. And I also believe Hillary is a racist as well. Im not freaking racist. I wish there was a better candidate than Trump, but there isn't. He was the lesser of two evils in my opinion. So just because I support an "evil" does not make me any more evil than you who supports the other less of two evils. |
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Seriously though there is truth to your statement. some Trump supporters ARE racists. I would wager most racists probably voted Trump (I used to not think that, but i have been convinced otherwise). Trump attracted the uneducated male vote. Probably the same with the sexists. Deplorable is subjective. But a lot of Trump voters voted out of hatred for Hillary. One of the benefits of Trump is that he is not Hillary. I guess you could also say that one of the benefits of Hillary was that she was not Trump. I hate to have to repeat this again, but I am not a racist. Please dont think of me as one. This should really go without saying. I hate racism and its terrible and it has lead to some of the most awful deeds. |
On the concept of moving out because of Trump, it's sadly not that simple. Many countries in Europe are already salty about the wave of refugees from the middle east, they're certainly not going to be willing to take on waves of "typical Americans." Same probably goes for New Zealand, Canada, and the land down under. Even if you have marketable skills, you will still face a lot of competition not just from locals, but also other would-be immigrants.
Even if you can move, there's still not only the problem of brain drain for the United States (really, if you think it's bad now, all the educated people leaving will make things worse), but also reputation. Face it: America is a laughing stock. It's been a laughing stock since Bush at latest and it's only continued to get worse despite Obama's best efforts, which will no doubt come under threat of reversion under a Trump regime. The increase in social upheaval and gun violence doesn't help either, if the consternation of many people here on PokeComm outside of America in the numerous threads have been any indication. Ultimately you're fucked anyway if you move out. What's done is done. You will still be seen as part of the country that elected a man like Trump as it's leader, with all the ridicule and hatred that implies. Europeans and other Western nations weren't very kind to American guests during Bush; what makes you think they'll be any nicer to American IMMIGRANTS who are coming from the same country with an even more divisive leader? |
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"It wasn't hillary" isn't a valid excuse when you knew who he was and what his platform was and supported him anyway. This is effectively throwing minorities under the bus. Regardless of if you think you're racist or not, you supported a man who is to try and put in policies of which more than several are racist. Does this make you worse than someone who is racist and supported him, though, is my question to you? Is it worse that despite not thinking this way about minorities, you still passively supported those views? Supported his attempts to harm them? |
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I support him as the lesser of two evils. This means I recognize he is evil. That does not make me evil. This is pretty basic. If you want further evidence I am not racist... I am friends with many minorities, my coworkers are minorities, and I have family members that are minorities. I have teachers that are minorities. I myself have been infatuated with minorities. Stop trying to make me out to be some evil racist deplorable. I dont give a shit about what you think at this point because I have lost almost all respect I have for you. I find this very disrespectful. I consider myself a virtuous person - despite my faults. If you would like me to apply the same logic you use to you, I will. But i am going to actually give you some decency. How about we actually have a discussion about Trump without you spewing insults at me and questioning my character? |
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