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Why Froslass Doesn't Suck
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That is a base for the Froslass segment, just so yall can comment on the formatting and content and stuffs. If it looks like I went ahead and made a draft before this idea got formally approved, it's because I did really just so I can receive input on anything else people might want to see or whatever. and thanks for that list Wolf. As I implied at the bottom of that draft-like object, I'll probably do Quagsire next if this gets approved because I have used it a ton and it does stuff. Name was also changed to "Why [Pokemon] Doesn't Suck, etc." Thread title will be changed to reflect this. Oh, and do you think we could get a link to the Daily put in the top bar of the forum? Possibly replace the chatroom no one uses? I dunno. |
UPDATE: Made the edits from a few posts down AGAIN
Why Froslass Doesn’t Suck [Smogon OU] Welcome to the first edition of "Pokémon That Don’t Suck", where I shall explain how you can use an underused - yet cool – Pokémon in a competitive setting, and when and where not to use them. Today I shall rant about a Pokémon introduced in the 4th generation as an additional evolution for female Snorunt, bearing the unique typing of Ice and Ghost. It is said to be a reincarnation of a woman lost in an icy mountain, and its body is actually hollow. Ewwwww. I am, of course, referencing Froslass. I will now proceed to explain where, when, why, and how to use it in Smogon’s OU tier while making as few terrible Frozen puns as possible. Bundle up and hang onto your hats, because winter is coming. Onward! Obligatory Term/Abbreviation Dump For those new to the scene, here are a couple terms and abbreviations I throw around in this post 4MSS - 4 Move Slot Syndrome - wanting/needing to run more than the allowed 4 moves SpAtk/SpDef - Special Attack/Defense OU, UU, RU - Smogon's Tiers of Overused, Underused, and Rarely Used respectively. These are a set of rules that most people play by outside of official tournaments that group all Pokémon into strength tiers. These are all played in Singles, rather than Doubles like official tournaments. Info about OU can be found here. M-[Pokémon] - Mega [Pokémon] The Subject http://25.media.tumblr.com/874e3add2927d10ea5bac12a0a5c4057/tumblr_mxyqpzBG4s1snwqgwo1_400.gif If I didn't know better, I would say it's petting the tree. Source: The Pokémon Company (Anime episode DP116 "The Drifting Snorunt!") #478 Froslass Species: Snow Land Type: Ghost, Ice Abilities: Snow Cloak, Cursed Body (Hidden) Weaknesses: Ghost, Dark, Steel, Rock, Fire Evolves from: Snorunt (Dawn Stone, Female Only) Height: 1.3 m Weight: 26.6 kg Tier: UU (Banned from RU) January OU Usage: 0.594% (174th) Base Stats (range @ Lv100) HP: 70 (250-344) Attack: 80 (148-284) Defense: 70 (130-262) SpAtk: 80 (148-284) Speed: 110 (202-350) Total: 480 Froslass has a wonderful base 110 Speed to its name, but its other stats are a bit below average. It has weaknesses to the annoyingly common Fire and Steel types. Its abilities are unimpressive, with Cursed Body having a 30% chance of disabling any enemy attack that hits Froslass, and Snow Cloak raising its Evasion in Hail. However, its access to high quality utility moves such as Spikes and Taunt make it an ideal suicide lead, often being able to set up a layer or two of Spikes while still trading on the opposing lead with either Destiny Bond or Ice Beam. Froslass can also lay claim to a great Special movepool, with access to the mighty BoltBeam combo (Thunderbolt and Ice Beam, which have perfect neutral coverage together), Shadow Ball, Psychic, and the like. However its Physical movepool consists of... Ice Shard, Avalanche, and Wake-Up Slap, I guess? Not much. It lacks any form of stat boosting though, so it is not recommended. http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/froslass.gif The Set SPIKES OF DESTINY!!!!! Froslass @ Focus Sash Ability: Cursed Body/Snow Cloak EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature (Speed>Attack) - Taunt - Spikes - Destiny Bond - Ice Beam/Icy Wind/Thunderbolt This is the default Froslass set, and it works like no other Pokémon in OU can claim to do. Spikes are what Froslass ends up providing to the team, by damaging anything that switches in until they are cleared. Taunt annoys most common hazard setters by preventing them from setting hazards (or using any other Status moves for that matter), and prevents Defoggers from removing your Spikes. Destiny Bond rewards correctly prophesizing your demise by taking the enemy down if Froslass is KOed when Destiny Bond is the last move you used. Running Focus Sash makes this easier by allowing you to survive a killing blow from full health, which usually results in opponents going for the kill the next turn. Your 4th moveslot is largely situational. Ice Beam hits the hardest, and gets the OHKO on defensive Garchomp and Landorus-T. Icy Wind provides great utility with its 100% chance to slow, and has a 98.3% chance of OHKOing uninvested Landorus-T, but loses the ability to one-hit Garchomp. Thunderbolt is a coverage move to be used only if the rest of your team is specifically weak to a Pokémon. In this case it allows for Froslass to 2HKO the omnipresent Skarmory and Talonflame, because the cold never bothered them anyway. Timid nature is used because the speed boost allows for tying with other +Speed base 110s like Timid Latios and Latias, as well as Jolly M-Metagross and M-Gallade, and outspeeding neutral natured base 125s (or lower) like Adamant Weavile or Modest Raikou and Serperior while only losing points in an unused Attack stat given Froslass’ non-existent Physical movepool. The EVs are placed where they are to allow for said speed checks and maximize the damage of the attacking move of your choice, as it is just not bulky enough to take a hit and its physical movepool is still lacking. Note that it does not outspeed most forms of Talonflame, even if it tries to Flare Blitz you. Cursed Body is the preferred ability because disabling things is fun, however it does screw up predicting Destiny Bond sometimes, so go with Snow Cloak if you are worried about that (or are running a Hail team, which is another story). Other options include a bulkier Pain Split set, but 70/70/70 defenses are not ideal for any bulky set. It is also in theory the best Specially Attacking Ice type, so a set with Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, and Destiny Bond doesn’t sound like the worst idea until you consider its low 80 base SpAtk stat, which is lower than Stunfisk and Prinplup (really bad). http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/froslass.gif To Use or Not to Use… Pros: ·Base 110 Speed is better than most other leads, like Landorus-T's base 91 speed, Excadrill's base 88, and Garchomp's base 102 ·Checks many Stealth Rockers i.e. Garchomp and Landorus-T ·Latios and Latias don't enjoy switching into Froslass, despite them being perfectly good switch-ins for leads other than Scarf Landorus-T ·Destiny Bond gives it more trading potential than other leads. Froslass will often give you the advantage in a matchup by taking out one enemy Pokémon while still getting Spikes out ·Very good at protecting its Spikes, as its Ghost typing prevents Rapid Spin from working and Taunt blocking the use of Defog ·Its Spikes can be stacked with Stealth Rocks from a teammate (sure, this applies to all Spikes users, but you cannot stack Rocks with more Rocks) ·Much less likely to be setup bait then other Hazard setters, as Taunt blocks most forms of setup (except possibly Hawlucha Unburden trigger, but Ice Beam OHKOes him anyway) Cons: ·It does not get Stealth Rocks, and Spikes just is not as strong ·Is an Ice type, and has a metric ton (5) of weaknesses ·Suffers from pretty heavy 4MSS ·Does not get Prankster ·Gets completely screwed over by Pursuit trappers like Bisharp, Weavile, and Tyranitar. Tyranitar also has Sand Stream, which allows for bypassing Focus Sash ·Heavily prediction-based ·Defog and Rapid Spin can be used to remove Spikes as soon as Froslass goes down (which it will) ·Utterly useless in most roles other than a suicide lead (no bulk and no stat boosting moves) ·Anything that outspeeds, including Choice Scarf users like Excadrill, prevent Destiny Bond revenge-kills and hugely inhibit Froslass’ potential, as you cannot take one hit and then Destiny Bond ·Magic Bounce users like Mega Sableye and Mega Diancie render Froslass helpless ·Priority attacks that can hit Ghost types (Bullet Punch, Flying type attacks with Gale Wings, anything used by Mega Lopunny) have the same effect as being outsped in that you cannot easily Destiny Bond them Points of Comparison Here, I’ll throw out some common Pokémon that are hypothetically better at doing some of the things Froslass does. ·Hazard Setters: Excadrill, Landorus-T, Hippowdon, Garchomp, Tyranitar, heck, even Klefki. The list goes on and on. The first five mentioned get the far superior Stealth Rocks, and Klefki has this nice ability called Prankster, which gives your opponents hell by turning every non-damaging move into Quick Attack. ·Spinblockers: Gengar and M-Sabelye. Ewwww. Both of these will be mentioned again below, don’t you worry about it. ·Destiny Bonders: Gengar or Gardevoir (but don’t run D-Bond on Gard please). This one is a utility (Froslass) vs damage (Gengar) issue. ·Hazard Prevention: Mega Sableye. Magic Bounce exists. I suppose I could throw the other Magic Bounce users (M-Diancie, M-Absol, or Espeon/Xatu if you want to pretend it’s gen 5) in here too, but what gives? ·Taunters: Thundurus has Prankster should he choose to accept it, but does not have the rest of Froslass’ utility. I generally use Froslass on teams that need hazard setup and are noticeably weak to Stealth Rocks, especially if I already have Rocks on the team, as Froslass checks many common Stealth Rock users. The other situation where I use Froslass is when my team truly cannot afford to be down a Pokémon after the setup turns. http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/froslass.gif TL;DR: If you need a combination of the ability to set hazards, get trades, and control enemy hazards and boosting all in one nice package, Froslass is for you. If you just need one of those things however, it is probably better to just let it go. http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/froslass.gif So that’s it for this segment of “Pokémon That Don't Suck.” Check back later for more shenanigans and a Pokémon that literally could not care less about anyone or anything. Or maybe it’s just Unaware of what goes on around it. Until then, discussion in the comments below is accepted, encouraged, and requested. Direct questions or suggestions for this column as a whole, including suggesting new Pokémon to rant about, to the discussion thread for this column. Until next time, you stay classy PokéCommunity. I assure you, no Frozen puns will be made in the next article. Notes and Citations: Cover Image: [TBD] Froslass Sprite: http://www.pkparaiso.com/, The Pokémon Company Changelog: Spoiler:
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Good start so far, imo.
Couple remarks/points that come to mind before you do finish off the draft (also please post when done even if it's a double post so we notice that it's ready for editing!): Quote:
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I would suggest splitting into more paragraphs for added readability for the parts explaining the suggested set. I've always found on other sites that longer paragraphs explaining multiple points of reasoning for battle sets harder to read. Quote:
We also need to consider if we want the article to be written as a 'we' (Daily = we) or you specifically throughout. As you're the sole writer here I'd say the latter (e.g. "I feel, I present", etc), but I'm less sure about starting with "In which I, [username]...". In part I say this because at the top of the article will be a fancy title + mini-avatar stating you are the author already - and on the article previews on the main page as well, so repeating your username is unnecessary at best. And on that note: so we can credit you as an author in the same style as the other articles, let us know your email address and desired username (can't be changed) and nickname (how you'll be credited as). Can be in PM if you'd rather email be private! |
Edited le draft. Elected to use I as the personal pronoun of choice, split some paragraphs, etc.
I would prefer to be credited as ddrox13 with the username ddrox13 and the email of [email protected] I know, I'm original. Wait until I upload my new avatar to PC first (probably tomorrow) so you can use that image. It won't have Glaceon on it. Fixing it up tomorrow and it will be ready then. #NoSchool |
Now just that term dump
TCGO first tho |
You should have the email now (check spam if it's not in the inbox).
Regarding avatars, you can edit at the very bottom of this page after you do password stuff and login: http://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-admin/profile.php [Login: http://daily.pokecommunity.com/daily-account-login] Also I suggest singular Froslass animated models rather than multiple in a row. Smaller (and hence high resolution) may also be preferable. No objection to Frozen puns. :B |
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Maybe try this image? [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokemon/gen6/xy-animated/478.gif[/img] http://media.pldh.net/pokemon/gen6/xy-animated/478.gif |
I was using the gifs as like a border between sections, so a line made more sense to me than a single floating ghost-ice thing. I fixed the sizes (I think), so see how it looks now.
Also, Finished the draft! EDIT: Those damn ninja's... I think I fixed most of the spaces, but I will go back and fix the rest riiiight now |
Alrighty, editing stage!
Just going mostly on sentence structure and etc, as I'm no expert on singles. I'll leave that to others, but I have made a couple suggestions on that too. Overall I like the article; just needs a bit of tidying up here and there. Not far off! Quote:
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I like the idea of adding those terms and their explanations here. I'd perhaps bold the terms before the descriptions. Mybe beforehand in the intro mention this is for Singles as well, for readers who don't know what OU is. Quote:
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I still feel that you only need the one animated sprite - a bunch of them in a row may act as a line break, but we can do that with spacing and headings in the article anyway, and multiple are... rather distracting to the writing itself, I find. There's also a weird floating '2' at the end of those. The explanation for the set looks pretty good to me! Quote:
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I also feel like there could be a little more expansion about choices in the paragraphs explaining the set, although the one I'm hung up most on is this one:
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184 SpA Life Orb Latias Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Froslass: 191-226 (67.9 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Life Orb is very common on the Latis, and even without it, Latias can 2HKO it with both of its most common moves (Draco Meteor will still OHKO with rocks up). Latios has a higher base SpA so I'm not even going to calculate it. They have the same base speed as well, so even if you do switch Froslass in to one and survive, there's a 50/50 chance you'll actually get to use Ice Beam, and that won't even kill it, so it dies anyway. Quote:
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All of these edits will be applied once I get another few seconds of free time. Thanks for all the help! |
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Made MOST of the changes...
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It's a movie reference. Figure it out. |
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I think that's it. I bolded the stuff in the Abbreviation section and added the most recent OU usage stat for Froslass (Given this is about how Froslass isn't used, I figured this would fit). I also removed the base power of Heat Smash because it was in the way and utterly useless.
And I'm leaving the Anchorman reference. As far as cover images, I have a few ideas http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/0/0e/Froslass_Ice_Beam.png/revision/latest?cb=20140506162616 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/seviland-encyclopedia/images/0/0c/Paul's_Froslass.png/revision/latest?cb=20110923174855&path-prefix=bg http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/9/9c/Froslass_Shadow_Ball.png/revision/latest?cb=20140506162651 All from various anime episodes. |
Those cover images might not be big enough.
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Yeah, the images are good in terms of content, but way too small.
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Last thing (although I'll give the article another look tomorrow after sleep in case) is the title of the article series - it's still a filler one by the article pitching thread, and maybe could be something that doesn't suggest by default that people have generally decided this Pokemon sucks (which from my limited knowledge isn't something that applies to, say, Quagsire). (It also could be confused with another article also drafted called 'Why Eeeve Sucks', which isn't part of this series). I'll try to think more on alternative names after the aforementioned sleep, but wolf had "Offbeat/Alternative Competitive Pokemon", off the top of my head is "How to Battle with ___", "Winning with ____", "Don't Discount ____"... Something to discuss at any rate! |
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If I were to change the title, I would make it "How to ___". Wolf's suggestion could work as a series title. |
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Unsure if that's just how that's usually stated in battle analysis - ddrox can explain.
With Jake's agreement that's enough approval for this article! We'll get it up during the day. One other thing to add is that after a discussion between Daily staff we're in strongly favour of "How to battle with ___" for the article series title. Another point raised on top of the earlier ones is that it makes it clearer the article is about battling rather than some other aspect of the Pokemon, which isn't so clear from "Why ___ Doesn't Suck". No need to edit the parts within the article referencing it (unless you want to!) - whoever puts it on the wordpress site will adjust as necessary. =) EDIT: You can also if you'd like edit your bio for your wordpress account (can be done on the same profile page where you changed your avatar on). |
Archy clarified that "[Nature] is used" is standard practise.
Published! Here's to more battling articles. =) Now to update the credits thread with a few people. |
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