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Sirfetch’d February 26th, 2016 7:12 AM

Were you disappointed in no Z?
 
It appears, at least for now, we are not getting a Pokemon Z as almost every Pokemon fan anticipated we would. With that said, are you excited for the entirely new games or are you a bit saddened Z is not coming?

Charlie Brown February 26th, 2016 7:14 AM

I'm excited for the entirely new games! It has been a couple years since XY came out and I did feel that if we were to have another game in Kalos it would be dragging out the region for too long. I'm keen for some more freshness! ORAS seemed like a big step-up from XY imo in terms of how the 3DS and its capabilities were used, so I'm excited to see those things taken to the next level in a new region with new Pokemon 8)

esperance February 26th, 2016 7:14 AM

I wouldn't say we're not getting Z just yet. It may be like that we'll get Z after we get Sun and Moon. They've gotta use Zygarde's new formes somehow.

Venitardus February 26th, 2016 7:14 AM

I was fine for whatever we got! I was open minded about what game would/will come out and be announced.

pkmin3033 February 26th, 2016 7:15 AM

Relieved. Kalos felt very much like a trial run for the 3DS; it had a painfully forgettable story, a pitifully sparse amount of new Pokemon, and whilst it was a huge step up from Black and White, it didn't feel like they'd put much effort into the games. Whilst they would have been able to correct this with Z, the differences between the vanilla versions and the third game are never particularly huge, and in my opinion it would have taken huge changes. I'm glad they're moving on to something fresh...whatever form that is going to take.

MudkipBoy February 26th, 2016 7:16 AM

I've never bought the third game in a series so I'm not particularly bothered to be honest.

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 7:16 AM

I'm not overly disappointed, besides generations tend to last around 3 years so it was natural 7th Gen was going to be coming this year.

Sirenita55 February 26th, 2016 7:16 AM

I rarely buy the third game so it's not a huge loss for me, although I would have liked to explore Kalos more.

Sirfetch’d February 26th, 2016 7:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lostelle (Post 9134857)
They've gotta use Zygarde's new formes somehow.

I still think those may be anime exclusive, along with Ash Greninja, or potentially just a part of whatever these new games are. We still have yet to officially receive Volcanion either haha. But you are right, Z may still come eventually.

Famon February 26th, 2016 7:18 AM

Question : Does Pokemon Sun and Moon confirmed to be new Gen VII game ? Or just a remake/squeal of Gen VI

Sopheria February 26th, 2016 7:19 AM

Nah, more than anything else, I'm just happy for a new game. In fact, I'm glad that it's something entirely different. Z would have been really predictable and wouldn't have given us much in the way of speculation, at least not as much as the mysterious Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon. I think this will be much more fun to get news and updates on ^_^

Charlie Brown February 26th, 2016 7:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sopheria (Post 9134886)
Nah, more than anything else, I'm just happy for a new game. In fact, I'm glad that it's something entirely different. Z would have been really predictable and wouldn't have given us much in the way of speculation, at least not as much as the mysterious Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon. I think this will be much more fun to get news and updates on ^_^

Hahaha yes, this is also true. There's only so much they could've done with a third version in Kalos, whereas there's sooooo much more to speculate on for completely new games :P A lot more fun for us for sure.

Ho-Oh February 26th, 2016 7:23 AM

It feels odd not to have 'Z', but given that Black and White wasn't tied off with Grey... it doesn't feel as bad. I mean they could throw a curveball and have it a few years later but I doubt it. Happier with Generation 7, because new Pokemon and new story = excite.

Tsutarja February 26th, 2016 7:23 AM

Yeah, I honestly think something's going to be done with Z aside from the anime. It wouldn't seem right for them to exclude it from the games, and at the same time, nobody else seems to have come forward with revealing the various formes of Zygarde in either XY or ORAS, too.

Lycanthropy February 26th, 2016 7:25 AM

I'm always glad to see a new story. The third versions never really appeal a lot to me when they are approximately the same game with just a few extra features. Black and White 2 however, were a lot of fun since they were like re-exploring the region in a sequel of the story.

Pokémon has always added a third version or something later, so maybe we'll just have to wait a little longer before we're getting Z? I doubt they would give Zygarde extra formes just because of the anime.

WingsofBliss February 26th, 2016 7:26 AM

I'm excited, but not as excited as I was yesterday when the logos and names were leaked early. :P


I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get to see any footage of the new games, but I think we may start seeing some more stuff within the next few days. As of yesterday, Nintendo has registered domain sites for the games in several languages, so something's bound to show up really soon. IIRC, didn't the first announcement of the Pokémon Direct inform us to check Pokémon.com at the conclusion of the Direct? I'm certain it did, because I had posted about it in the Speculation Thread.

Iceshadow3317 February 26th, 2016 7:28 AM

I will not be disappointed until we know we aren't going to Kalos period. They left so much open that in plots and what not. Plus I didn't want Kalos to end so soon.

My hopes is that the game will work like Johto and we will return to Kalos after this new region's league.

The fact that they didn't give us info on the starter pokemon and 2 main legends make me wonder if they're hiding something else.

KorpiklaaniVodka February 26th, 2016 7:29 AM

We'll get Z.

I honestly think Sun and Moon are spinoff games.

Iceshadow3317 February 26th, 2016 7:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KorpiklaaniVodka (Post 9134956)
We'll get Z.

I honestly think Sun and Moon are spinoff games.


I am 100% sure that they aren't. There was a new bird pokemon in the trailer that they were working on.

Necrum February 26th, 2016 7:34 AM

I'm honestly more disappointed that they hardly showed anything. Z might still come, I mean we have a whole set of Zygarde forms after all.
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Originally Posted by KorpiklaaniVodka (Post 9134956)
We'll get Z.

I honestly think Sun and Moon are spinoff games.

The entire video leading up to it was main series games, why the heck would they give a history of pokemon right before announcing spinoffs?

KorpiklaaniVodka February 26th, 2016 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9134975)
I am 100% sure that they aren't. There was a new bird pokemon in the trailer that they were working on.

That was Talonflame. :)

Christos February 26th, 2016 7:44 AM

They might keep Zygarde's formes as anime exclusive. Pokemon Z should have come out months ago if it was happening. Maybe Kalos is the second region in Sun/Moon.

Nekaku February 26th, 2016 7:54 AM

I'm glad the concept of 3rd versions are done myself.

Sirfetch’d February 26th, 2016 7:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Christos (Post 9135015)
They might keep Zygarde's formes as anime exclusive. Pokemon Z should have come out months ago if it was happening. Maybe Kalos is the second region in Sun/Moon.

I wonder if the train station in Kalos could potentially connect the two games/regions?

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 7:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KorpiklaaniVodka (Post 9134987)
That was Talonflame. :)

I think he's actually referring to this:

Bay February 26th, 2016 7:59 AM

While I'm not utterly disappointed with XY's storyline like many fans, I won't deny there could be improvements and Z would have been the perfect opportunity to do that and a bit more worldbuilding too. Otherwise, I don't mind if for Sun and Moon we're going for a new storyline/region, could be much more fun.

GiovanniViridian February 26th, 2016 8:01 AM

Nope, I think that the absence of third versions is the step in the right direction.

Other than the feeling of replaying the same gen, I don't see the point in playing third versions which are just slight improvements of the previous games but the difference is not much.

Iceshadow3317 February 26th, 2016 8:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9135078)

Yes. Yes I was.


Also, after looking at the screenshots again, I am really glad it is probably a new Gen. I like Kalos, but I feel in love with that building lol.

So I guess I don't really care for Z anymore. Still hope we return or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2016 8:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9134870)
I'm not overly disappointed, besides generations tend to last around 3 years so it was natural 7th Gen was going to be coming this year.

Yellow came out in the third year of Gen I, FrLg and Emerald came out in the third year of Gen III, HgSs came out year three of Gen IV, B2W2 came out in year three of Gen V, so it's not normal at all... only Gen II was this short.

Keiran February 26th, 2016 8:07 AM

I'm more disappointed in that they're still doing the 2 versions thing.

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 8:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9135120)
Yellow came out in the third year of Gen I, FrLg and Emerald came out in the third year of Gen III, HgSs came out year three of Gen IV, B2W2 came out in year three of Gen V, so it's not normal at all... only Gen II was this short.

Ah yes, but still 3-4 years tends to be the average length.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2016 8:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9135132)
Ah yes, but still 3-4 years tends to be the average length.

Still, it's not common for there not to be a game during the third year either...

TCB February 26th, 2016 8:19 AM

Well, the 'third version' deal was pretty much broken when B2W2 was a thing, as those were direct sequels to BW. So that trend is pretty much broken.

I was expecting this announcement before the leaks to totally be Z. The anime was already strongly hinting at it as the biggest sign. Am I disappointed that it wasn't now? Not really. Honestly X&Y were the weakest pair of games I've played in a while and while it left a lot to be desired and was hoping for the third version ala Platinum to compliment it, I'm no longer complaining.

...Now, if Sun and Moon pull off a GSC/HGSS and allow us to travel to Kalos (because c'mon that speculation from yesterday and Magearna ring some bells) then I will be a happy camper.

jfuze174 February 26th, 2016 8:22 AM

For all we know this could be the third version. This could be sequel third version and a new region all at once . be honest though I always looked at XY to be the beta for OraS anyway so I don't mind no third version

janejane6178 February 26th, 2016 8:35 AM

I just feel like they throw Kalos out of the window..
barely new Pokemon, lots of unsolved mysteries, a champion that looked really promising yet barely took any part in the plot etc. And now they r ending it just like that?
Kinda annoyin.

And btw, Pokemon Sun and Moon just sound so trivial and un original names.

beanholestatus February 26th, 2016 8:37 AM

As someone who has played Pokemon since 1999, I have to say that I thought Kalos was the weakest region of them all, I really have no desire to return there, not sure why people are freaking out about the Zygrade forms or Volcanion or Ash Greninja because,
1. They could be in Sun and Moon
2. and people would rather have a green hat and two new legenderdaries then a WHOLE NEW GAME. Makes no sense to me.

Fannie February 26th, 2016 8:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9135058)
I'm glad the concept of 3rd versions are done myself.

Me too. The only one that was vastly different and worth the purchase, to me, was Crystal. The purpose of third versions is so the company can sell pretty much the same game at full price, with minimal effort.

Lunar February 26th, 2016 9:03 AM

Tbh as much as I wanted Z it's clear Game Freak have been working on these games for a long time (hence no main Pokemon title in 2015) in order to commemorate the 20th anniversary properly which I think Z just wouldn't have done if it was released this year. It would be strange to see Z at all if S&M mark an entire new generation but I think Kalos' story isn't over yet.

Fannie February 26th, 2016 9:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ScoSap (Post 9135386)
S&M

Now I'll never be able to take their titles seriously lol.

Pyrax February 26th, 2016 10:31 AM

I'd rather hear more information on SM's plot and region before judging it. We still don't know whether this new region connects to Kalos, so there's still hope of a Kalos revisit, just not in conventional third version or sequel.

firekid115 February 26th, 2016 10:38 AM

No. I'm not dissapointed whatever.

I would've been looking forward to a third version, had they released it in October, and announced it last year personally. Far too much time dragged on for me to keep on caring about it.

LilBueno February 26th, 2016 10:47 AM

Personally, I was a little disappointed. Though like a lot of other people, at this point I was just wanting to move on and see what's next.

Part of me wonders if we'll still get a Z in some form. Originally, I suspected that Z will get announced and released before Sun/Moon. It doesn't seem too Farfetch'd, but I can't imagine them releasing two sets of main series games in the same year. There's still the possibility of Z getting released after Sun/Moon which makes me think of Sun/Moon being a sequel to XY and then Z being a third version to tie both stories together and end. So it'd be a trans-generational story. Seems a bit out there, though.

Sopheria February 26th, 2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Keiran (Post 9135122)
I'm more disappointed in that they're still doing the 2 versions thing.

That's never not going to be a thing :P Gotta catch buy 'em all will always be GameFreak's slogan.

While I'll happily embrace a 7th generation, I still can't help but feel that 6th generation is unfinished. In fact, at this stage, it seems clear that a third version or a continuation of Kalos in some form or another was always planned. Between the loose ends and unused data left over in Kalos, and the fact that we didn't get a main-series game in 2015, I wonder if Z was planned for 2015 but it never got off the ground for one reason or another. That's all just a guess though, we don't know anything for sure yet! For all we know Z could still be hitting the shelves at a future date (unusual though that would be, nothing would surprise me with all the precedents that have already been broken)

MarinoKadame February 26th, 2016 10:54 AM

Gen 6 was the most disappointing generation overall. Barely any Post Game, ORAS didn't even got the Battle Frontier and instead got that copy/paste of Battle Maison.The story was mostly inexistant past Korrina.

I just fear Sun and Moon will just be the same old formula with barely any story development.

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 9135633)
I just fear Sun and Moon will just be the same old formula with barely any story development.

I wouldn't come to a conclusion yet. They have likely been putting a lot of effort here so maybe a decently-sized postgame won't be out of the picture yet.

Nah February 26th, 2016 10:59 AM

Sort of. I wasn't hoping for Z or a 3rd version specifically, but rather just another Kalos game. I feel like the region was screwed over a bit because it had the....misfortune of being the first pair of the generation. Liked features in past games have a tendency to be missing from the first pair of a new generation, and for like no reason too. The 3rd versions have always been pretty much straight upgrades of the original pair (Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum are all arguably better than Red/Blue, Gold/Silver, Ruby/Sapphire, and Diamond/Pearl), and you don't have to do a third version either to make a better game (Black2/White2 is, in some ways, an improvement over Black/White). I feel like Kalos has some potential and it's a little sad to see them not bother trying anymore with it. Even if does make an appearance in Sun/Moon as an extra region a la Kanto in the Johto games, it's likely to just be tacked on rather than made better. it would've been great for my section too if we got another Kalos game :(

You better make Sun and Moon really good then, Game Freak.

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Originally Posted by janejane6178 (Post 9135274)
And btw, Pokemon Sun and Moon just sound so trivial and un original names.

I mean, none of the games of the games are terribly great; it's been all letters and colors and gems really.

GeckoPutt February 26th, 2016 11:08 AM

There seems to be a lot of confusion around whether Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon will be Generation VI or Generation VII games. It is confirmed that this is an entirely new generation is not our third/sequel game.

The UK press release states:
Newest Generation of Pokémon Core Series Games coming to Nintendo 3DS Late 2016

The Official Site states:
As we celebrate 20 years since the launch of Pokémon Red and Pokémon Green in Japan, the next era of Pokémon games is being announced! Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon are coming out for systems in the Nintendo 3DS family in holiday 2016, with a new world, new Pokémon, and new adventures to discover!

It does bring up the question about Z, Zygarde and the unanswered questions from X and Y, but hey ho. In fact, I am much more excited for a new generation!

BettyNewbie February 26th, 2016 11:17 AM

I, for one, am glad we're getting Gen 7 instead of another Kalos game. How boring and predictable would've Z or X2Y2 been? Everyone and their mother was expecting either to happen, and the big 20th Anniversary game needed to be something more special and exciting than that. Plus, I think too much time has passed since XY to continue Gen 6, anyways. New Gens have traditionally been 3-4 years apart, so we're about due for Gen 7, anyways.

(Plus, there's always the possibility that SM could still be XY sequels in the same way as GSC were RBY sequels, although I'd rather just move on from Kalos and leave it in the past.)

Yes, it does mean that Zygarde will be getting shafted in the games, but it wouldn't be the first time that a Legendary got its backstory from the anime instead of the games. Remember Mewtwo, Lugia, and Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres? They had next-to-no story in RBY and GSC, and just about everything we know about them came from the first two movies.

Sopheria February 26th, 2016 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 9135698)
Yes, it does mean that Zygarde will be getting shafted in the games, but it wouldn't be the first time that a Legendary got its backstory from the anime instead of the games. Remember Mewtwo, Lugia, and Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres? They had next-to-no story in RBY and GSC, and just about everything we know about them came from the first two movies.

While true, that's a bit different from the situation we have with Zygarde. In RBY, there were at least references to Mewtwo's backstory, a la the various notes scattered across the old laboratory explaining Mewtwo's creation. But in X & Y, Zygarde is never even mentioned or referenced outside the Pokedex, much less its backstory explained. Not saying this means that we're still going to get Z, but it's one of the many things that would make 6th gen unusual if we don't.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2016 11:37 AM

I just hope that SM are GS style sequels.

Palamon February 26th, 2016 11:41 AM

Pokemon Z wouldn't be any fun. I think we all knew this was coming that Pokemon would skip the third game.

Cherrim February 26th, 2016 11:48 AM

I really liked Kalos, but only ever played through it once because I expected a third version. So I'm a little bit disappointed that we didn't get that, I'll admit, but at the same time, it doesn't bother me too much. I don't wanna restart so I might just pick up Pokemon Y to complete the set sometime and play through it again that way.

I'm disappointed, sure, but still really excited about new games!!

DataFile February 26th, 2016 11:49 AM

I am very happy that we are going to have an all new adventure, good for anime too,
as it means that there wont be horrible amounts of filler.

poop face February 26th, 2016 12:00 PM

I feel like I am one of the few people that enjoyed X/Y (Maybe because B/W was complete garbage, lol). I think the main issue I took from that Gen was the post-game was severely lacking, so I'm pretty sure due to all the complaints that they received this new gen would step it up since I believe that Pokemon truly does care about their fanbase.

I'm mildly upset, but who can complain about a new gen?
It's definitely a shock that they're releasing a new gen before a sequel, though.

BettyNewbie February 26th, 2016 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sopheria (Post 9135736)
While true, that's a bit different from the situation we have with Zygarde. In RBY, there were at least references to Mewtwo's backstory, a la the various notes scattered across the old laboratory explaining Mewtwo's creation. But in X & Y, Zygarde is never even mentioned or referenced outside the Pokedex, much less its backstory explained. Not saying this means that we're still going to get Z, but it's one of the many things that would make 6th gen unusual if we don't.

Those notes barely constituted a backstory, and the Team Rocket stuff which made up the core of Mewtwo's anime backstory was never actually in the games. Nothing in RBY explicitly connected Giovanni/TR to Mewtwo's creation.

And, you can't make that same argument for Lugia and the Bird Trio at all. They didn't even have anything as significant as notes in a laboratory in the games. Nothing from the games explicitly linked them together. (Heck, discounting events, Lugia and the Bird Trio were not even catchable in the same game together until HGSS, and they still had no backstory there.)

I could easily see Zygarde being a case similar to Lugia and the Bird Trio, ignored in the games but gets fleshed out in its own movie. In fact, this was pretty much the norm for Legendaries before Crystal and especially RSE.

Sirfetch’d February 26th, 2016 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by poop face (Post 9135815)
I feel like I am one of the few people that enjoyed X/Y (Maybe because B/W was complete garbage, lol). I think the main issue I took from that Gen was the post-game was severely lacking, so I'm pretty sure due to all the complaints that they received this new gen would step it up since I believe that Pokemon truly does care about their fanbase.

I think it's quite common for the original releases of games to have a very lacking post-game. I enjoyed XY a ton too but was really looking forward to Z adding a much more interesting post-game haha. Though as you said, it's hard not to be excited for new games so I am unbelievably hyped right now :)

Sopheria February 26th, 2016 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 9135819)
Those notes barely constituted a backstory, and the Team Rocket stuff which made up the core of Mewtwo's anime backstory was never actually in the games. Nothing in RBY explicitly connected Giovanni/TR to Mewtwo's creation.

And, you can't make that same argument for Lugia and the Bird Trio at all. They didn't even have anything as significant as notes in a laboratory in the games. Nothing from the games explicitly linked them together. (Heck, discounting events, Lugia and the Bird Trio were not even catchable in the same game together until HGSS, and they still had no backstory there.)

I could easily see Zygarde being a case similar to Lugia and the Bird Trio, ignored in the games but gets fleshed out in its own movie. In fact, this was pretty much the norm for Legendaries before Crystal and especially RSE.

Yea, I guess that's true about the Bird Trio. Shame though, I was hoping to see some cool action-packed cutscenes of Zygarde smacking down a rampaging Xerneas and Yveltal, but eh, it's been long enough since I've even played through X&Y's story that I can't bring myself to be too disappointed about it haha

poop face February 26th, 2016 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Castform (Post 9135827)
I think it's quite common for the original releases of games to have a very lacking post-game. I enjoyed XY a ton too but was really looking forward to Z adding a much more interesting post-game haha. Though as you said, it's hard not to be excited for new games so I am unbelievably hyped right now :)

I meant lacking in terms of all the other games, I agree that the post-games tend to be real short, but the one in X/Y felt especially short, I don't even really remember it.

Crin February 26th, 2016 12:29 PM

As excited as I am for Sun/Moon, I'd be lying if I said I'm not dissapointed that Pokemon Z isn't happening. Kalos has so much potential as a region. I think a third game would compliment and improve on so many aspects of X and Y

Treecko February 26th, 2016 12:41 PM

I am upset, I wanted to know more of Zygarde's story. However, I expected gen 7 to start soon since it's been 3 years since X and Y were released. It was due time. I'm still really excited for Sun and Moon though!! I can't wait to explore a new generation. I like this theory that the new region and Kalos are connected somehow, so maybe we will still get some backstory on Zygarde.

BettyNewbie February 26th, 2016 1:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sopheria (Post 9135851)
Yea, I guess that's true about the Bird Trio. Shame though, I was hoping to see some cool action-packed cutscenes of Zygarde smacking down a rampaging Xerneas and Yveltal, but eh, it's been long enough since I've even played through X&Y's story that I can't bring myself to be too disappointed about it haha

Well, Zygarde's still getting its own anime movie, so that's better than nothing. ;) As I said, this was pretty much the norm for Legendaries in the earlier games. It wasn't until Crystal that Legendaries started getting significant backstories in the games, and it wasn't until RSE that they started becoming involved in the main plot. What's happening to Zygarde is disappointing, but it has a precedent.

janejane6178 February 26th, 2016 1:42 PM

What a wasted potential.WOW . Xerneas and Yveltal, the Pokemon of Life and Death. Zygrade, the Pokemon that controls the economy. We BARELY had a storyline going on between them, even in the anime. (Regarding xerneas and yveltal). Gen 6 started only 2 years and 4 months ago and, and we suddenly get an announcment regarding a new gen? It just feels like a little child that throws away his work and decides to make a new one, just to throw it away again. It's very easy to leave as much mysteries as gen 6 left, but it's not so easy to answer them, and that's what GF didn't do, and probably won't do in the near future.
I can't understand how ppl get so happy other a new gen when GF treats its current gens like that. They hyped us so much for gen 6 and in the end just left it half baked. Wow

Poke_Spirit February 26th, 2016 1:46 PM

Yes they ignored the god stone from gen5.. now they seem to ignore Zygarde entirely except the new forms..but Sun and Moon are the gold silver of XY..that's very possible..

janejane6178 February 26th, 2016 1:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Poke_Spirit (Post 9136040)
Yes they ignored the god stone from gen5.. now they seem to ignore Zygarde entirely except the new forms..but Sun and Moon are the gold silver of XY..that's very possible..

If thats the case then I will be fine with that. As for now, we can't say that for sure.
And I wont be satisfied with NPC's references to Kalos etc.

21stCenturyDelphox February 26th, 2016 2:36 PM

I'm glad that they weren't predicable.

It's safe to presume that Pokemon S/M is a new generation but it could be connected to Kalos. Firstly there is the sundial in Anistar and then there is the so called "moondial" that an NPC in X/Y mentions as being in an another region. Also the colours of the logo are similar to the gems on Zygarde Perfect Forme. Then other theories could connect to this like the foreign region, strange souvenir. AZ floette could also have a connection. So, there could be a post game based on Kalos.

Arylett Charnoa February 26th, 2016 4:00 PM

I honestly could care less about Z and was one of those who was cynical about it happening in the first place due to the previous generation and Black 2/White 2. Honestly, I have never understood the concept of a third re-release. Pokemon games are already predictable and formulaic enough - is there really a need to have yet another copy of a game that is exactly the same with minor differences?

Besides, in this day and age, it makes no sense. Any extra content can easily be patched in via DLC - free or not. So I'm glad that they've decided to forgo something unnecessary and archaic for actually new stuff. I am just so ready to move on from Gen VI because it really did nothing for me.

Katchelina February 26th, 2016 4:03 PM

Nah, the only thing a pokemon Z could have done that would make me buy it is expand Kalos and have a much much more indepth story, possibly a prequel instead of a sequel since the lore and history in gen 6 is pretty interesting, it just felt unfinished. I did like the ties between XY and ORAS and I would love if they continue that so the games all feel even more like you're exploring different regions of the same world.

The Kalos region seemed too small and too easy and the plot could have been better although I loved features in the games and most of the Kalos pokedex.
As long as they do good in Sun and Moon I have no complaints. I think my only regret would be wanting more lore and have Zygarde play a role in the game with its new forms.

Xander Olivieri February 26th, 2016 5:06 PM

I got so excited when watching the stream that I physically vibrated for an hour. I'm super happy we're getting a new game rather than the same old rehash story.

BettyNewbie February 26th, 2016 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Arylett Charnoa (Post 9136294)
Honestly, I have never understood the concept of a third re-release. Pokemon games are already predictable and formulaic enough - is there really a need to have yet another copy of a game that is exactly the same with minor differences?

The third versions mostly just existed to fix what was wrong in the paired versions. Platinum was probably the worst example of this, doing nothing but fixing the multitude of things that were broken/incomplete in DP. In a perfect world, DP would've been what Platinum was, but GF can't take more of your money that way. :rolleyes2:

In fact, that is one reason why many wanted a Z in the first place. Many felt that XY were incomplete and half-assed, just like RS and DP.

Eden February 26th, 2016 5:25 PM

It's hard to say anything about Sun/Moon because all that The Pokemon Company confirmed is that it exists, and it has a Chinese language option...also its ability to carry over trainwreck movesets from RBY over to the new gen.

I personally don't mind not having a Z version, but I did expect it because Kalos felt unfinished in a lot of areas. Though I guess some people are still holding on to the 6.5 theory, claiming it is Z indirectly, but regardless it's too early to tell.

Zet February 26th, 2016 5:25 PM

I am disappointed Kalos won't be expanded, but I am excited for another pokemon game. Hopefully Hawaii will make a great region.

Rivvon February 26th, 2016 5:31 PM

It is way too early to draw any conclusions, I understand that, but please bear with me in regards to where I'm coming from.

Game Freak are among my favorite developers, but they can still be very "one step forward, two steps back" in regards to starting their new generations (and even more recently, with same-gen games in general, considering how ORAS didn't include fan-favorite features such as X & Y's character customization). This is something we've all seen too many times for our pleasure: although Emerald ended gen 3 with a Battle Frontier, gen 4 wouldn't see one until Platinum; X & Y didn't bring over any of the facilities of B2W2, not even something as simple as its PokéDex Habitat List--and ORAS didn't even bring in all the features present within the games it was based on.

Maybe the two-year development cycle gave them the time to actually make Sun & Moon substantial in terms of gameplay features (and hopefully the story--please, Arceus, let it have a good story with good characters...), but I can't help but feel anxious. If the first games of a gen are known for lacking major elements of the previous gen's magnum opus, then what can be expected from Sun & Moon, when neither X, Y, OR, nor AS had any major facility or other form of content featured?

In addition to my own personal bias of wanting a "third version" to "fix" X & Y, I was also worried that jumping into a new generation too soon would just... not work out, in a sense. Because one of the common reasons people use to "justify" the first games of a gen lacking major features of the previous gen's final game is that "they had to work on all this new stuff for the new gen so they didn't have time to rework the Battle Frontier/PWT/etc." (which really isn't the best excuse, but since it's Pokémon I'll try to let it slide...). But that doesn't apply here. Gen 6 doesn't even have anything like that--the most substantial thing would probably be Contest Spectaculars, but even those are very, very simple, and they're really not all that challenging (I managed to make one of my Pokémon a Contest Star without much effort; I did all the different categories and didn't even have to change two of its moves each time...).

Like, I get why people weren't so fond of the idea of a third version. But... just because it's a new gen doesn't mean it's gonna be this majorly innovative grand escapade. They can't even use a new system to bring about "natural" innovation or progression. What I mean by that is, gen 4 was blessed by being on the DS compared to gen 3 on the GBA. They were able to use, for the first time ever, inherent (without the need of an external device) wireless trading and battles, Wi-Fi, and even sleep mode. People don't think of it much now but sleep mode was a huge thing, and it was only thanks to the DS that we have it--even the GBA SP didn't offer a real sleep mode! Alternatively, X & Y took advantage of what the 3DS had to offer, such as stereoscopic 3D and Streetpass. Sun & Moon are going to be on the 3DS again...so what else can they do? And while I'm personally sighing out of relief that the titles aren't New3DS exclusive, at least that would have offered some new possibilities with the strengthened processor and C-Stick (personally, I think a controllable camera, at least in the overworld, would be a great innovation for the series, but moving on...).

And gen 6 also ruins for Sun & Moon the possibility of some of the more obvious "advancements" they could make in regards to the core battle mechanics. Like, yeah, they could make another new Type this gen, but after Fairy-Type was just added in X & Y, it's gonna feel like too much. The reason why Fairy-Type was, for the most part, well-received was because the last time we got new Types was way back in gen 2. But making another new Type only three or so years later will feel forced (trust me, I played competitive Yu-Gi-Oh! when Xyz Summoning was first introduced; I've seen this happen first-hand).

A new gen is only "fresh" and "new" because it's set in a new region and has some new Pokémon. But that doesn't make it inherently good--lots of voices on this thread seem to echo the same idea: X & Y were a disappointment. And these were the games that brought the series into 3D for the first time. These were the games that introduced the Fairy-Type after 3-4 gens. These were the games that completely changed how we play because of the introduction of Mega Evolutions. And despite all that, the lackluster story, cardboard characters, and lack of overall content made them a disappointment. A good number of people seem to feel the same way even about ORAS (which is understandable since it falls victim to many of the same flaws as X & Y).

So, am I disappointed that we aren't getting "Z?" Yeah, kind of. Game Freak would have to mess up big time to make a third version worse than the originals. But, as we've seen, sadly it is very possible to make the first games of a new gen more disappointing than the previous gen's "third version." I'll reiterate my first words here: it is way too early to draw any conclusions, I understand that, but please bear with me in regards to where I'm coming from. We have seen this happen way too often in the past. These games have to have a substantial amount of content and an outstanding narrative brought to life by magnificently-written characters in order to make them worth it. There is absolutely no excuse this time.

X & Y could have been really, really great. There's a chance that these games will take cues from gen 2 and be connected to Kalos in some way, so there's a chance Sun & Moon can actually help X & Y in its own way. But, regardless of how it turns out, all I ask is... Please. Be great games. Give us the story and gameplay we dream for. Don't let the sacrifice of a potentially worthwhile end to gen 6 be in vain.

PageEmp February 26th, 2016 5:37 PM

I wouldn't say dissapointed but rather confused. Will gen6 be the first gen where it's region has only 1 game? Will we like get Z next year? Is it trues that we can only use the gen6 starters once? If gen 7 is this year then when will the gen4 remakes be?

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Xander Olivieri (Post 9136389)
I got so excited when watching the stream that I physically vibrated for an hour. I'm super happy we're getting a new game rather than the same old rehash story.

I agree with you. I feel like I was hoping for 7th Gen (going by the fact generations tend to last 3-4 years) and everyone else was hoping for Z, so I was happy to see it turn out the way it did. Fresh is always good when you need it.

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Originally Posted by Kibou (Post 9136423)
I personally don't mind not having a Z version, but I did expect it because Kalos felt unfinished in a lot of areas. Though I guess some people are still holding on to the 6.5 theory, claiming it is Z indirectly, but regardless it's too early to tell.

I do admit Kalos was an incomplete region in a way, given it'll become the only region to be featured in only one game (counting sequels/third versions) and while there's the Gen 6.5 rumour floating around, I do think the image of what the overworld may look like points more towards being a new generation aka 7th Gen.

Cay February 26th, 2016 6:44 PM

Yeah, honestly. I was really looking forward to it, and I've always been intrigued by Zygarde (and how its different forms would come into play), and I still am. Maybe it'll make an appearance in this game, as it's supposed to be a large "culmination" of sorts :o

ProjectMisfit February 26th, 2016 6:46 PM

Absolutely not. Although Although X/Y was brilliant in the sense of them leaving their comfort-zone and trying new things, it's been 3 years. It's the 20th anniversary. I think skipping Z and going to a new gen is waaaaay smarter.

I also have 1700 hours on Y and 600 on X. I do not want to play through X/Y(Or Z) again anytime soon, haha.

Nah February 26th, 2016 8:14 PM

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Originally Posted by janejane6178 (Post 9136032)
Zygrade, the Pokemon that controls the economy

ecology*

tho economy evokes the hilarious image in my mind of Perfect Zygarde in a suit sitting at a desk on Wall Street plotting how to make itself as filthy rich as possible lol

Snoopyfish February 26th, 2016 8:22 PM

B-But.. Hexadog?
Hexadog ..?
Hexagon Dog?
No Hexadog?

Aaron40 February 26th, 2016 8:28 PM

Why would I be disappointed about a game that was never coming.dont know why people were so confident Pokemon Z was coming lol
A new generation was my guess and I'm so glad it's coming our way around October this year

jombii February 26th, 2016 9:05 PM

I don't really care whether they announced Pokemon Z or new games. All I care about was the hype and, look, I got it and I'm perfectly happy with the announcement

Freddy Fazbear February 26th, 2016 9:51 PM

I dunno, I'm honestly disappointed in the lack of Z. Kalos is by far my favorite region barring Kanto and Johto, and I loved a lot of things they were trying to do with those games. I did feel like there needed to be more, though, story and character-wise, which is why I was so excited for Z. Plus, with all the new Megas that are ORAS exclusive, I really wanted to be able to move all my Mega Sceptiles and such into Z so I could take them through a region I actually like. While I have high hopes for Sun and Moon, I really hope they still release Z soon.

Mark Kamill February 26th, 2016 11:01 PM

Not necessarily disappointed at no Z, just disappointed with XY. If they planned frim the start for no revisit to Kalos, then why the hell was the game so feature light? It was literally what yiu would expect, with amother visit to the region being feature rich. Coming off of B2W2 Unova to Kalos, with no revisit planned, and it just all falls apart for me. I am not positive about SM at all because of this, even though the thoughts of a new region and Pokemon excites me.

Beautifully_Twisted February 27th, 2016 12:29 AM

I"m worried about the fact that it was said it might go back to be simple like RBY..... I hope to god it doesn't. Does anyone think it will be THAT simple?

Precious Tears February 27th, 2016 1:21 AM

If SM aren't gonna solve the plot and time holes of Gen VI games, then yes, I would be disappointed.

It's more than giving the Kalos region a second chance -- it needs to be fixed!

Hikamaru February 27th, 2016 5:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Stud Muffin (Post 9136934)
Not necessarily disappointed at no Z, just disappointed with XY. If they planned frim the start for no revisit to Kalos, then why the hell was the game so feature light? It was literally what yiu would expect, with amother visit to the region being feature rich. Coming off of B2W2 Unova to Kalos, with no revisit planned, and it just all falls apart for me. I am not positive about SM at all because of this, even though the thoughts of a new region and Pokemon excites me.

It is annoying they're ending 6th Gen without tying loose ends for Kalos, considering how the region was full of mysteries and now that 7th Gen is confirmed we will never get to know. I could now imagine people claiming that 6th Gen is now even more disappointing than 5th Gen, because Kalos will have no revisit game unlike Unova did.

Nekaku February 27th, 2016 5:19 AM

Thing is more not everyone thought Z would happen and I think Masuda's statement in 2014 was pretty clear to not expect it. That and with BW2 over Grey just made me think 3rd versions were dead and not to expect Z.

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Originally Posted by Beautifully_Twisted (Post 9136998)
I"m worried about the fact that it was said it might go back to be simple like RBY..... I hope to god it doesn't. Does anyone think it will be THAT simple?

In terms of battles I do hope they back to the simple days

Though if you mean plot I feel XY was much more simple than Gen 1 was. The plot of Gen 1 was you leaving home learning about Pokemon and going on a journey. Along the way you compete with your old rival since you were babies plus you learn about a man who is mysterious and later find out he is a gym leader. XY had a plot but it was all over the place and did not truly get closure. Could this have been them spending too much time on the 3D and not enough on the story? I do think that. Though we have got games with good plot and full of content before so hoping SM delivers plus being the 20th year game I think all eyes are on it more than any past game.

WishCookie February 27th, 2016 5:27 AM

I am not disppointed in no Z but I do think that Gen 7 came way too quickly. I think that a third game like Platinum would fit right now tho.

Resp February 27th, 2016 6:20 AM

Pokemon Z was too predictable.
I like Sun & Moon way more tbh.

Norou February 27th, 2016 7:24 AM

The more I think about it the more I'm glad that Pokemon Sun and Moon are a thing. I'd rather move on than stay in 6th gen any longer, I like the breath of fresh air that Sun and Moon will offer. But, I'm still confused about the whole Zygarde thing, it's would be odd and confusing if they make his forms anime only. I can understand why with Ash-Greninja, but not something as big as Zygarde. X and Y had nothing when it came to Zygarde. It just feels really incomplete for me, but I like the idea of a new gen.

They could still shoe-horn his forms into Sun and Moon, but depending on how relevant Zygarde will be depends on that I think. Maybe we'll get to go to Kalos in a Z like episode in the end like oras did with the delta episode.

Altius February 27th, 2016 7:28 AM

Even though XY felt incomplete, I am quite glad that we are now in Gen VII. It's Pokemon's 20th anniversary anyway, and a Z version would make that so underwhelming.

I guess Gamefreak doesn't want to stick with the same "Pair versions - Remake - Enhanced version" pattern all the time. And yeah, it can get boring and predictable.

Hikamaru February 27th, 2016 7:33 AM

I do think Z would have been too predictable, because when we had B2/W2 to end 5th Gen instead of a Grey version most were expecting, it appeared third enhanced versions were a concept Game Freak never wanted to do because they wanted to switch up things and I like that approach because it's fresh and more surprising.

Desert Stream~ February 27th, 2016 8:06 AM

I'd definatly prefer gen 7
Third versions just means I have to spend more money

MarinoKadame February 27th, 2016 8:13 AM

I'm still hoping for some gen 6.5. It would be like a new gen but without new starters.

Poke_Spirit February 27th, 2016 8:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Beautifully_Twisted (Post 9136998)
I"m worried about the fact that it was said it might go back to be simple like RBY..... I hope to god it doesn't. Does anyone think it will be THAT simple?

That article was so fake..

TCB February 27th, 2016 8:37 AM

I find it sad that some people outright disregarded and shunned these new titles during the direct because they thought they were entitled to Z. Like they demanded anything. Especially when they built up over the top expectations towards this Direct they did the all the Smash presentations last year. Then they had the nerve to choose to be mad when the leaks were confirmed.

How petty can you even be.

Desert Stream~ February 27th, 2016 10:50 AM

What would Z even do? If I had the choice of X & Y, Or X and AS I would choose X and AS.
Third versions are the same game with just a little extra. New games are a lot more exciting.

Sirfetch’d February 27th, 2016 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9137688)
What would Z even do? If I had the choice of X & Y, Or X and AS I would choose X and AS.
Third versions are the same game with just a little extra. New games are a lot more exciting.

New games generally do produce more excitement because they are well..new! They come with speculation. That said, finishing Kalos sounds exciting for some people because XY were so incomplete really. At least that is my opinion on why some people might have preferred to get Z.

blue February 27th, 2016 5:02 PM

I think Z was to be expected, it kinda was obvious from the new anime title and how many people practically predicted that would be the next game. For that reason I'm glad they never went ahead with it, I'd much rather see two brand new games than just another third version.

LucarioFan3 February 27th, 2016 5:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nekaku (Post 9135058)
I'm glad the concept of 3rd versions are done myself.

I wouldn't rule out third versions entirely. Sure, Z isn't happening, but other generations might still get them, as much as I hate to admit it.

MarinoKadame February 27th, 2016 5:10 PM

What if we get a surprise Pokemon Z right before Sun and Moon ?


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