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Obligatory Starter Speculation Thread
New games, probably new region, and probably new starters... Will they still go with the traditional Fire/Water/Grass starter, or will they change things up a bit?
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Well, they've not deviated from the Fire/Water/Grass formula before and I can't see that changing now...it's pretty much a tradition, and as many people would complain as would rejoice.
I'm more interested in what forms the starters will take...I want at least one bird. A grass-type bird would be very interesting, since we've not had one of those yet. |
Looking at the artwork, there appear to be at least a couple of Gen I/II Pokémon living in the region, meaning we won't get an entirely new set of Pokémon like we saw in generation V. Good chance Chikorita, Cyndaquil and Totodile are going to make a reappearance, as they did with the Kanto starters in Kalos.
We haven't seen any Gen VII Pokémon yet, (Okay, admittedly we can't even say whether it will be of a seventh generation yet.) but I don't think they will refrain from using the same old grass/fire/water formula again. |
I think it'll be the typical Grass/Fire/Water trio again, but it'll be interesting to see how designs turn out.
For the Fire-type, I'm probably expecting another connection to an animal in the Chinese Zodiac so maybe I'm hoping for a rabbit this time. Water will probably be another amphibious creature (since that's the theme with all Water starters so far) and for Grass, a reptile again would seem stale because Chespin breaking that streak means there could be new design potentials. |
Oh great just what we need.. an all new fire rabbit.
I think they'll keep the formula that works but I hope that they come up with cool starters with potential and not just something average. |
Oh great just what we need.. an all new fire rabbit.
I think they'll keep the formula that works but I hope that they come up with cool starters with potential and not just something average. |
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What do you mean by amphibious? If you mean in the biological sense, that not true at all. Squirtle is a reptile (with a mammalian tail...) and so is Totodile (minus the mammalian tail), Mudkip is an amphibian, Piplup is a bird, Oshawott is a mammal, and Froakie is an amphibian. I'll like a dolphin or another bird base pokemon to even up the ratios. I'll also like a grass bird starter (been wanting one since Gen IV after we had gotten Torchic and Piplup). |
What I mean by "amphibious" (or "semi-aquatic") is a creature that is active both on land and in the water, and it's been a common trend with Water-type starter designs.
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Whilst I am certain we'll see the usual sort of starter trio, I wouldn't expect them to just go with the obvious. The one thing you can guarantee they'll do is pick something rather random.
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It's obviously going to be Grass/Water/Fire, but if I were to choose I'd prefer something different which is Psychic/Dark/Fighting.
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I really hope they drop fighting. I love fighting types, but I am really sick of them being starters. I don't think they will drop the basic Fire/Grass/Water.
I want a rabbit starter for sure. Maybe a true Kangaroo and an Otter. I don't know though. Most starters are usually based off well know animals. Turtles, Pigs, Frogs, snakes, ect. What I want to see is maybe Grass/Fairy, Fire/Poison and Water/Psychic |
I think it would be cool to change up the starter types from the traditional Grass/Water/Fire types. It can still be equally balanced using different types such as Psychic/Dark/Fighting.
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Fire Starter Possibilities: - All fire starters are based off of the Chinese zodiac- here are the signs that are left
Ox Tiger Rabbit Sheep Horse (Fire Horse - Ponyta) Snake Water Starter Possibilities: - All water starters need the water to survive, but can survive on land as well Beavers Duck (Overused - Unlikely) Platypus? (Psyduck?) Salamander? (Mudkip? - I know he is an Axolotl) Snake? (Like A water snake of some sort) Mosquito? (No mosquito Pokemon yet- born in the water... Could it start as a larvae?) Snail Water Strider (Surskit) Grass Starters Possibilities: - All grass starters are prehistoric animals in some way... Its almost as if these starters are going through time starting with dinosaurs, and with X and Y, going onto early mammals Agilodocodon Alphadon (For their teeth - could be a cool concept) Cronopio Crusafontia Eomaia (Had two layers of fur - cool concepts) Fruitafossor (Known for digging... ground/grass?) Hadrocodium (Had a huge brain for how early it lived and how small it was...) |
All I know is that I'm half expecting the Water Starter to be a hippo...
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I want Grass/Water/Fire... I don't want another set of types... This is the one thing they don't have to change in my opinion.
Since the speculation of Sabrewulf238, I want an Ox... I would like Rabbit too but I feel like it's gonna be Fire/Fight XD Water starter? Ohh a Beaver :D For the Grass I really don't know.. |
I want a dog (wolf? idk). I don't care what type it is, I just want a dog.
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Honestly, I'm kind of hoping that they deviate from the normal grass/water/fire starter, it would be nice to see something different for once, maybe something that ties in with the theme of the game.
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WHat kind of Grass Type Pokemon could relate to the Sun and Moon ? Because I can see a Fire starter based on the Sun and a Water Starter based on the Moon.
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I mean when have the starters ever had a connection to the titles of the games? |
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Here's my ideas for starters that I'd hope to see:
Grass type that is actually a plant, instead of an animal with plant motif. Water type with diving equipment. And, eh, I don't have any ideas for fire type, maybe a lighter or welding mask. |
A grass starter based on corn.
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Lets hope they give a hint soon!
Cant really guess which way they will go with the starters. Will be fire water grass mixed with some other type for sure. I hope that it will be these kinda types Fire - Tiger Grass - some magic creature would be cool (fairy as second type) Water - Bull like the fakemon |
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On Water, I would like a Salamander or Newt. I love those guys. Best amphibians. Grass starters are harder to predict now that they broke the Dinosaur/Reptile mold and made a porcupine. However, one cool option I've always been a fan of is the Komodo Dragon. If they modeled a grass starter on that it would be another Grass poison, but still it's a neat concept. Maybe they can use it to make a Dragon Poison Pokemon that isn't terrible. (I like Dragalge design wise but it's not what I wanted) |
Just going with the themes, I'm expecting A tiger-esque Fire type, although a Goat would be cool, a grass type based on prehistoric plant life and for the water types, A diplocaulus?
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I can see Water/Fighting as the final water starter since it's the only starter type left that never got Fighting.
The others would be either Fire/Rock or Fire/Flying and Grass/Rock or Grass/Flying. It will be a double weakness triangle or they would use their second type as a counter to their primary types. |
A fire poke with a Manticore desining
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Maybe a fire Pokémon based on a bull (stand in for the ox) if they wish to tie the starters into sun in moon. In Egypt, Greece, and other parts of the east mediterrenean bulls were associated with the sun and/or moon.
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I could care less for what they look like and all but as for their typing im hoping to see a fairy type a steel type and a fighting type since you know fairy beats fighting fighting beats steel and steel beats fairy. As for the combinations id love to see this:
Fairy/Fire Steel/Grass Fighting/Water Theyre just unique in a sense we dont have many of these and the designs would be pretty cool! |
I'm praying they break the Zodiac theme and give us something unpredictable.
I'd like some oddballs thrown in like a Fire Rhino starter, Grass bird starter, and Water Elephant starter~ |
Fire/Rock Rhino, Grass/Flying Bird and Water/Fighting Elephant sound interesting.
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Maybe we'll get a Water/Ice, Grass/Electric, and a pure fire starter for the finals (discounting Mega Sceptile we've had 3 pure final evos for each non-fire type starter type. Fire only has one pure Fire, 3 part fighting, one part flying, and one part psychic.)
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I would like to see dual-type base starters. Heck mix it up like Volcanion dual-type.
Fire/Water Water/Grass Grass/Fire |
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Well, obviously we're getting the usual trio, it's a franchise classic, there's no sense in changing it up, and if they did, I don't know if I would be a bit letdown.
But, what I have no clue is what their final evolution is gonna be. It seems we're now getting multi-typed Pokemon as the final evolution. |
I sincerely hope this starter line-up will be different. It will be more refreshing to have more than one elephant in the room. *Cough cough* Yellow. *Cough cough*
Hopefully the experiment with a different type triangle. Seeing as our name theme is Sun and Moon, Dark/Fighting/Psychic would make a lot of sense. |
Grass: After Chespin, I really can't use a pattern to predict. I've have to make a wild guess, I'd like to see a grass bear of some sorts, maybe a grizzly. Something bulky and wood-like, but more mammalian like Chesnaught. I think that was a good trend to start, reptilian grass types were getting old.
Fire: Continuing the Chinese zodiac pattern, I'd like the next to be either a fire tiger, ox, or rabbit. I'm pulling for Ox, which makes me think of a fire minotaur (as long as it's not fighting) Water: Something amphibious....hmmm....a hippo. |
Seeing as Grass broke the current trend, I hope for a Grass-type based off of a Locust. Bug/Grass would be especially interesting for a starter.
For Fire, I hope that we get the Tiger if it goes it's current route. If not, going by my idea, I'd love to get a Fire/Flying type based on a bird, I'd love a Cardinal or Blue Jay especially for the vibrant colors. It would also go with a food-chain idea. For Water, since I have the food chain idea going through my head, we can probably use a snake as some snakes do eat bird eggs and some are amphibious. I'd say Water/Poison would be best. |
Another Thing I'd like to point out is, Psychic is a HORRIBLE choice for a starter. Imagine a child playing for their first time, with no prior knowledge, They haven't been catching things.
They get to a rival fight, after destroying everything with Confusion, and proceed to do no damage. Slowly but surely the opposing dark type whittles down their HP down down down. KABOOM? Your pokémon has fainted. Rinse and repeat Rinse and repeat. |
I'd enjoy a Grass type horse pokemon, a Rabbit water type line and a fire non-humanoid type start if we get any new starters at all.
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I want a Fire Tiger starter. That would be awesome.
For Grass, not necessarily for starter, though it would be cool, a Pokémon based on trees. Oak, Sequoia, Heart, whatever (even Mokujin from Tekken XP), with the condition it'd look majestic, imponent and strong (like the power style that Torterra passes on). Water starters are not my favorite, but I'd like to see something out of the ordinary. We expect water-types to be always water related. That doesn't happen to the other starters. I can be amazed all the same if a good work is done, of course. |
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Charizard was a dragon Typlosion was a Rat Blaziken was a rooster Infernape was a monkey Emboar was a pig Delphox was a Dog? |
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Fire/Fighting
I hope that does not return. |
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While Fighting is cool, I hope we get more uniqueness with the next starters. Give Fighting a break from starters at the moment, Game Freak. |
I'll personally like to see a Water-Ice Dolphin Pokemon.
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Tying it to the chinese zodiac, while not being oriental, it's the most dragon-esque.
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Thinking about it, having Fairy, Fighting and Steel as the secondary types of the starters would be pretty cool...just as long as the Fighting type isn't also the Fire type. I've had enough of Fire/Fighting starters to last two or three generations at least. Maybe Water/Fighting, Fire/Fairy, and Grass/Steel? Fire/Fairy at least would be an interesting combination in my opinion.
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I was watching a two part video from a Pokemon YouTuber called Truegreen7 where he talks about the design and name origins about the starter Pokemon, with the first video talking 1st-3rd Gen and the second 4th-6th Gen.
The latter in particular is interesting because as he says in the video the Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos starters have a notable theme collectively as a trio. Sinnoh's starters are based on myths and legends (Torterra being the World Turtle, Infernape based on Sun Wukong of Journey To The West, and Empoleon is Poseidon with Napoleon Bonaparte thrown in), and it ties in with the fact Sinnoh is a region with loads of myths around it. Unova's trio theme was countries of the world, with Snivy representing Europe (mainly France due to the fleur de lis on Snivy/Servine's tails and Serperior's body), Tepig representing China (Emboar is also based on Zhu Baije from Journey To The West) and Oshawott represents Japan. This was likely based on the fact that Unova is the Pokemon version of the United States, which is a culturally diverse country. Kalos has the RPG theme, with the warrior (Chesnaught), the mage (Delphox) and the rogue or thief (Greninja). It also ties in with the starters' secondary Fighting, Psychic and Dark types. I do hope that this generation's new starter trio also have a connecting theme collectively, as in all three members of the trio have a notable theme in designs as a group. Maybe when we learn the new region I could try and research what possible themes could happen with the starter designs. |
Maybe this could be the game where we get different types for the starters. I am so tired of the Fire, Water, and Grass pattern. Would love to see some new stuff.
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...for some reason that makes me think of a theme of Power, Wisdom and Courage, to tie in with Zelda's 30th Anniversary this year. I doubt Nintendo would do a crossover theme quite that blatant, but it'd be pretty cool nonetheless!
There are a lot of potential trios for themes, though... |
I think it would be cool to see an actual fish for the water starter. I know the water starters have a tradition of having, well, legs. But it could be like how Snivy evolved into Serperior and lost its legs in Gen 5.
I'm gonna echo the sentiment of a rabbit fire-type starter. I could definitely see that being Fire/Fairy type. I would also like to see a sheep fire starter, though. That could also fall into the Fire/Fairy type but could be a Fire/Steel or Fire/Ground type as well. As for Grass, I want to see a parrot or a hummingbird. Make the final evolution a majestic looking bird: Grass/Dragon or Grass/Psychic typing. Quote:
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Here's an idea for you...
The 6th gen brought the idea that you'd be able to catch the first evolution of past starters in the Friend Safari. How would you feel if in the 7th gen, starter Pokemon from previous generations just appeared in the wild like any other Pokemon? (albeit still very rare) They could perhaps still exclude the previous gens starters from this and give them away in the post game though. (In this case it would be Chespin, Fennekin and Froakie) Personally I would like it and it feels like a natural direction to go in at this point....I mean technically these starters were in the wild since the professors had to have caught them somewhere. This would just be the logical conclusion of that. Not to mention with Pokemon Bank it's going to be pathetically easy to get a hold of these starters now anyway. No non-legendaries are really sacred now that the Pokemon Bank exists in conjunction with the GTS. (I mean heck, even Mew is potentially set to become as common as dish water if the glitched Mew can be transferred from the VC games to Sun & Moon.) |
If we really get a tropical region, I'd love to have matching starters. They can be the usual fire, grass, water types, I don't really have a problem with that. However there's something I think would be really interesting. How about all of the starters get the ghost type:D that would definetly be something special. Not an normal ghost, rather a spiritual being/ a totem...
A red panda, a dolphin and a hummingbird would be my favourites:3! |
For a "theme" I would like to see ancient civilizations. Greco-Roman, Egyptian, Mesoamerican, etc.
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All starters should have a unique dual-type. For example, Grass/Electric or Grass/Psychic. Fire/Electric, Fire/Ice (unlikely), Fire/Steel, Fire/Poison, Fire/Bug, or Fire/Fairy. Water/Bug, Water/Fairy, Water/Electric, or Water/Ghost. As for their evolution theme, it should be based on the region's main inspiration. Preferably ancient.
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There are lots of interesting things you could use to make a set of three.
Stages of life: childhood, adulthood, old age Ages of exploration: sail, air, space Types of rock: igneous, metamorphic, sedimentary Personality: Id (defensive oriented), ego (balanced), and superego (offensive oriented) And for me, if the trio are going to have secondary types that also follow the rock-paper-scissors idea I'd like to see Fire/Rock, Grass/Flying, and Water/Fighting. Something like that wouldn't upset the balance of the starters. The Water-type is still strong against the Fire-type, and so on. |
I really, really can't see, nor want to see a change in the starter types. It isn't really that it is a staple type choice, but in fact, that the types themselves are the best contrasts in the game.. They are the best contrasts, and ultimately are the best types to have a choice from.
As for inspiration, if they are going for something to go with the region (i.e Froakie, while frogs aren't only native to France, does go with the theme), and if the region is Hawaii, then I guess at least one may be based on a native animal. After a quick search, there is a native bat, but considering bats have been done a lot at this point, I don't really want that. A starter needs to be original, or at least original looking anyway |
Well before Fennekin we had a Fire Fox, Fennekin was a Fennec Fox tho. I imagine a Grass/Flying Bat starter now.
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Fire/Fairy Rabbit Water/Psychic Dolphin Grass/Flying Parrot |
How about a Dolphin water starter? It's been my dream for so long.
As for Grass type, I'm not sure what I want for that one, maybe a scavenger? For Fire, I agree with the rabbit sentient. |
Maybe we'll get a mammalian trio with sky, sea, and land having a representative. We can get a Grass/Flying bat, a Water dolphin, and a Fire/Ground Bull. In a way the water and fire recreate the weather trio... seeing how Orca's are close to Dolphins, and the behemoth (Groudon's inspiration) is depicted as a bull in ancient art. Perhaps the Dolphin can have Fairy as a second typing so they'll all have immunity's.
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It's most likely that the water starter will be one that has legs and can walk around on land. So a dolphin starter doesn't seem too likely.
Also I doubt they will ever stop doing the fire-water-grass starter trio typing, even if fighting-dark-psychic would be cool c: |
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We already got our Fighting/Dark/Psychic trio with the Kalos starters, so probably not going to be expecting that again.
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We need a Rock/Flying/Fighting trio since it's the second most balanced triangle. Fire/Rock is only used by Magcargo, Water/Fighting is only used by Keldeo and Poliwrath and Grass/Flying is used by Tropius, Jumpluff line and Shaymin, also each type counterpart well with their weakness since they got a counter versus the weakness of their first type.
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I want a grass Koala starter, it better be Grass/Dark. (: A Fire/Fairy or a Fire/Poison wouldn't hurt.
Last but not least, a Dolphin Pokemon with the Water/Psychic or Water/Electric typing please. (: |
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Maybe we'll get a starter trio who share one type like the Bird, Creation, and Tao trios. Maybe a trio of Fairies. Or a trio of dragons. |
I'd like to see another flightless bird. Since we've got them as Fire and Water starters, how about a Grass-type flightless bird?
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A grass type Kiwi that is a mix of the Kiwi bird and Kiwi fruit.
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There's apparently a leak from 2ch on what's supposedly our Grass starter.
It sorta resembles an owl, but I don't know which owl species is associated with grass. |
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Are there any other videos that have started to pop up yet? |
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What about a normal type starter?
something similar to Eevee? Anyways I miss an Electric starter as Pikachu of the Gen I. but I think probably starters will be the trio basic elements... )= |
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If the video I posted has any of them shown, Serebii who claims it as fake would be viewed in the same light. Pokejungle to the best of my knowledge is more relaxed about sharing information than other fan sites and they do their best to make in known that everything they share is unconfirmed, but that doesn't stop people from jumping to conclusions and then blaming PJ for any misinformation that appears. Serebii has made some errors in the past with translations that turned around to bite them before. They learned, they do more research now and make sure everything is as accurate as they can make it so that they don't fall into the media pitfall that PJ tends to allow themselves to fall into. So really, unless a site just doesn't care about what they post, they are all as trustworthy as anyone who receives information second hand. Outside of our general Pokemon Media, 4chan is fairly well known to have people who have less than faithful reasons to mess with people. Information provided would fall under the poster as an individual, but it unlike fan sites aren't going to try and post things as accurately as possible and it is a well known media to post fake leaks. We've definitely had more fakes from 4chan than we've had accurate information. If the poster happens to be known and credible, even on 4chan, then the information can be credible as well. This being said, both Serebii and PokeJungle's "Hoax" list is as credible as they can be for now. Until the actual release of the games any decent listing we get, even the one that had no starters, has potential to be real unless a creator comes forth and says otherwise. The Owl from 2ch and the line sets in the video have about the same chances of being legit. I remember how almost all the outlets were saying the Gen 5 evolutions were fake because of the way they were propped. Then they were revealed to be real by an official source. There were heavily detailed posts and videos "proving" that Samurott, Emboar, and Serperior were fake and some had a very strong backing by the fans. So my general view, enjoy what you see if you like it. It's all fake until proven to be real by Gamefreak, CoroCoro or Nintendo/TPC. No matter where it's from. If it's poorly drawn, it'll have less chance of being real, but that doesn't condemn it's potential. We can't nitpick everything. EDIT: We do also still have people refusing to believe that Sun/Moon are Gen 7 as opposed to the 6.5 and are in ways discrediting Serebii and Bulbapedia for already labeling them as such. This is definitely a case of to each their own, but credit of fansites are only worth what we put into them. If their credit is worth so little to those who refuse to accept that these could be Gen 7, then how can they be deemed credible under any justifiable light? Put your belief into the groups you want to believe in and if they don't make a post about potential fakes, take it as you want it. It can have as much credit as you want to give it or as little credit as you want to give it. |
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Can we please get more starters that aren't green, orange/red, or blue, respectively? To date, the only starters not primarily colored based on their type are Typhlosion (tan and blue) and Chesnaught (brown with green highlights).
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I'd love the Grass starter to be a Grass/Flying Parrot line. Something like Budgie-Parakeet-Macaw.
I'd also like a Dolphin for the Water starter. Maybe with dual Psychic or Ice type. As for Fire, as long as it's not Fire/Fighting I'm happy. |
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I like the idea of choosing from all the previous starters..
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