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Salzorrah February 26th, 2016 7:17 AM

Obligatory Starter Speculation Thread
 
New games, probably new region, and probably new starters... Will they still go with the traditional Fire/Water/Grass starter, or will they change things up a bit?

SPECULATE AWAY :D

pkmin3033 February 26th, 2016 7:25 AM

Well, they've not deviated from the Fire/Water/Grass formula before and I can't see that changing now...it's pretty much a tradition, and as many people would complain as would rejoice.

I'm more interested in what forms the starters will take...I want at least one bird. A grass-type bird would be very interesting, since we've not had one of those yet.

Lycanthropy February 26th, 2016 7:41 AM

Looking at the artwork, there appear to be at least a couple of Gen I/II Pokémon living in the region, meaning we won't get an entirely new set of Pokémon like we saw in generation V. Good chance Chikorita, Cyndaquil and Totodile are going to make a reappearance, as they did with the Kanto starters in Kalos.

We haven't seen any Gen VII Pokémon yet, (Okay, admittedly we can't even say whether it will be of a seventh generation yet.) but I don't think they will refrain from using the same old grass/fire/water formula again.

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 7:54 AM

I think it'll be the typical Grass/Fire/Water trio again, but it'll be interesting to see how designs turn out.

For the Fire-type, I'm probably expecting another connection to an animal in the Chinese Zodiac so maybe I'm hoping for a rabbit this time. Water will probably be another amphibious creature (since that's the theme with all Water starters so far) and for Grass, a reptile again would seem stale because Chespin breaking that streak means there could be new design potentials.

Rukario February 26th, 2016 8:00 AM

Oh great just what we need.. an all new fire rabbit.

I think they'll keep the formula that works but I hope that they come up with cool starters with potential and not just something average.

Rukario February 26th, 2016 8:00 AM

Oh great just what we need.. an all new fire rabbit.

I think they'll keep the formula that works but I hope that they come up with cool starters with potential and not just something average.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2016 8:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9135060)
I think it'll be the typical Grass/Fire/Water trio again, but it'll be interesting to see how designs turn out.

For the Fire-type, I'm probably expecting another connection to an animal in the Chinese Zodiac so maybe I'm hoping for a rabbit this time. Water will probably be another amphibious creature (since that's the theme with all Water starters so far) and for Grass, a reptile again would seem stale because Chespin breaking that streak means there could be new design potentials.

I'm hoping for a snake fire starter.


What do you mean by amphibious? If you mean in the biological sense, that not true at all. Squirtle is a reptile (with a mammalian tail...) and so is Totodile (minus the mammalian tail), Mudkip is an amphibian, Piplup is a bird, Oshawott is a mammal, and Froakie is an amphibian.
I'll like a dolphin or another bird base pokemon to even up the ratios.
I'll also like a grass bird starter (been wanting one since Gen IV after we had gotten Torchic and Piplup).

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 8:04 AM

What I mean by "amphibious" (or "semi-aquatic") is a creature that is active both on land and in the water, and it's been a common trend with Water-type starter designs.

gimmepie February 26th, 2016 8:05 AM

Whilst I am certain we'll see the usual sort of starter trio, I wouldn't expect them to just go with the obvious. The one thing you can guarantee they'll do is pick something rather random.

GiovanniViridian February 26th, 2016 8:08 AM

It's obviously going to be Grass/Water/Fire, but if I were to choose I'd prefer something different which is Psychic/Dark/Fighting.

Iceshadow3317 February 26th, 2016 8:13 AM

I really hope they drop fighting. I love fighting types, but I am really sick of them being starters. I don't think they will drop the basic Fire/Grass/Water.

I want a rabbit starter for sure. Maybe a true Kangaroo and an Otter. I don't know though. Most starters are usually based off well know animals. Turtles, Pigs, Frogs, snakes, ect.

What I want to see is maybe Grass/Fairy, Fire/Poison and Water/Psychic

blue February 26th, 2016 8:16 AM

I think it would be cool to change up the starter types from the traditional Grass/Water/Fire types. It can still be equally balanced using different types such as Psychic/Dark/Fighting.

monkeyboy0 February 26th, 2016 8:53 AM

Fire Starter Possibilities: - All fire starters are based off of the Chinese zodiac- here are the signs that are left
Ox
Tiger
Rabbit
Sheep
Horse (Fire Horse - Ponyta)
Snake

Water Starter Possibilities: - All water starters need the water to survive, but can survive on land as well
Beavers
Duck (Overused - Unlikely)
Platypus? (Psyduck?)
Salamander? (Mudkip? - I know he is an Axolotl)
Snake? (Like A water snake of some sort)
Mosquito? (No mosquito Pokemon yet- born in the water... Could it start as a larvae?)
Snail
Water Strider (Surskit)

Grass Starters Possibilities: - All grass starters are prehistoric animals in some way... Its almost as if these starters are going through time starting with dinosaurs, and with X and Y, going onto early mammals
Agilodocodon
Alphadon (For their teeth - could be a cool concept)
Cronopio
Crusafontia
Eomaia (Had two layers of fur - cool concepts)
Fruitafossor (Known for digging... ground/grass?)
Hadrocodium (Had a huge brain for how early it lived and how small it was...)

Kung Fu Ferret February 26th, 2016 9:35 AM

All I know is that I'm half expecting the Water Starter to be a hippo...

Sabrewulf238 February 26th, 2016 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Meloetta (Post 9134927)
Well, they've not deviated from the Fire/Water/Grass formula before and I can't see that changing now...it's pretty much a tradition, and as many people would complain as would rejoice.

I'm more interested in what forms the starters will take...I want at least one bird. A grass-type bird would be very interesting, since we've not had one of those yet.

I'm hoping for a grass type bird too. Since Torchic and Piplup were both my favourite starters in their gen and I feel like I haven't been giving the grass typing a fair shake when it comes to choosing starters. (So far the only time I've picked the grass starter first was Chikorita in the 2nd gen)

Mawa February 26th, 2016 11:05 AM

I want Grass/Water/Fire... I don't want another set of types... This is the one thing they don't have to change in my opinion.

Since the speculation of Sabrewulf238, I want an Ox... I would like Rabbit too but I feel like it's gonna be Fire/Fight XD Water starter? Ohh a Beaver :D For the Grass I really don't know..

MarioManH February 26th, 2016 11:08 AM

I want a dog (wolf? idk). I don't care what type it is, I just want a dog.

Addy February 26th, 2016 11:09 AM

Honestly, I'm kind of hoping that they deviate from the normal grass/water/fire starter, it would be nice to see something different for once, maybe something that ties in with the theme of the game.

MarinoKadame February 26th, 2016 11:27 AM

WHat kind of Grass Type Pokemon could relate to the Sun and Moon ? Because I can see a Fire starter based on the Sun and a Water Starter based on the Moon.

MarioManH February 26th, 2016 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Addy (Post 9135667)
Honestly, I'm kind of hoping that they deviate from the normal grass/water/fire starter, it would be nice to see something different for once, maybe something that ties in with the theme of the game.

If there is no Dog Starter. I'm transferring an Eevee over from Poke Bank.

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarioManH (Post 9135724)
If there is no Dog Starter. I'm transferring an Eevee over from Poke Bank.

Fennekin came close to representing the "dog", since foxes are canine animals.

MarioManH February 26th, 2016 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9135727)
Fennekin came close to representing the "dog", since foxes are canine animals.

Eh but wasn't really the aspect I was hoping for. Something more Arcanine-esque is what I'm hoping for.

Sabrewulf238 February 26th, 2016 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 9135719)
WHat kind of Grass Type Pokemon could relate to the Sun and Moon ? Because I can see a Fire starter based on the Sun and a Water Starter based on the Moon.

It's likely the starters won't have any connection to the Sun or the Moon.

I mean when have the starters ever had a connection to the titles of the games?

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238 (Post 9135735)
It's likely the starters won't have any connection to the Sun or the Moon.

I mean when have the starters ever had a connection to the titles of the games?

You're right, I never see any connection between game title and the starters so don't expect it.

DataFile February 26th, 2016 11:56 AM

Here's my ideas for starters that I'd hope to see:
Grass type that is actually a plant, instead of an animal with plant motif.
Water type with diving equipment.
And, eh, I don't have any ideas for fire type, maybe a lighter or welding mask.

MarinoKadame February 26th, 2016 11:58 AM

A grass starter based on corn.

Munichtastics February 26th, 2016 12:07 PM

Lets hope they give a hint soon!
Cant really guess which way they will go with the starters.
Will be fire water grass mixed with some other type for sure.
I hope that it will be these kinda types
Fire - Tiger
Grass - some magic creature would be cool (fairy as second type)
Water - Bull like the fakemon

Necrum February 26th, 2016 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarioManH (Post 9135734)
Eh but wasn't really the aspect I was hoping for. Something more Arcanine-esque is what I'm hoping for.

They could make it a tiger, that would be an aggressive four legged carnivore as well, and it would fit with the Chinese zodiac. Honestly that's the one I'm hoping for.

On Water, I would like a Salamander or Newt. I love those guys. Best amphibians.

Grass starters are harder to predict now that they broke the Dinosaur/Reptile mold and made a porcupine. However, one cool option I've always been a fan of is the Komodo Dragon. If they modeled a grass starter on that it would be another Grass poison, but still it's a neat concept. Maybe they can use it to make a Dragon Poison Pokemon that isn't terrible. (I like Dragalge design wise but it's not what I wanted)

Abby February 26th, 2016 12:10 PM

Just going with the themes, I'm expecting A tiger-esque Fire type, although a Goat would be cool, a grass type based on prehistoric plant life and for the water types, A diplocaulus?

MarinoKadame February 26th, 2016 4:37 PM

I can see Water/Fighting as the final water starter since it's the only starter type left that never got Fighting.

The others would be either Fire/Rock or Fire/Flying and Grass/Rock or Grass/Flying.
It will be a double weakness triangle or they would use their second type as a counter to their primary types.

Killua February 26th, 2016 4:39 PM

A fire poke with a Manticore desining

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2016 5:00 PM

Maybe a fire Pokémon based on a bull (stand in for the ox) if they wish to tie the starters into sun in moon. In Egypt, Greece, and other parts of the east mediterrenean bulls were associated with the sun and/or moon.

Dedenne1 February 26th, 2016 5:10 PM

I could care less for what they look like and all but as for their typing im hoping to see a fairy type a steel type and a fighting type since you know fairy beats fighting fighting beats steel and steel beats fairy. As for the combinations id love to see this:
Fairy/Fire
Steel/Grass
Fighting/Water
Theyre just unique in a sense we dont have many of these and the designs would be pretty cool!

Xander Olivieri February 26th, 2016 5:12 PM

I'm praying they break the Zodiac theme and give us something unpredictable.

I'd like some oddballs thrown in like a Fire Rhino starter, Grass bird starter, and Water Elephant starter~

MarinoKadame February 26th, 2016 5:15 PM

Fire/Rock Rhino, Grass/Flying Bird and Water/Fighting Elephant sound interesting.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire February 26th, 2016 5:29 PM

Maybe we'll get a Water/Ice, Grass/Electric, and a pure fire starter for the finals (discounting Mega Sceptile we've had 3 pure final evos for each non-fire type starter type. Fire only has one pure Fire, 3 part fighting, one part flying, and one part psychic.)

Zet February 26th, 2016 5:37 PM

I would like to see dual-type base starters. Heck mix it up like Volcanion dual-type.

Fire/Water
Water/Grass
Grass/Fire

Hikamaru February 26th, 2016 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xander Olivieri (Post 9136402)
I'd like some oddballs thrown in like a Fire Rhino starter, Grass bird starter, and Water Elephant starter~

I could imagine how a Water-type elephant could work, especially because Phanpy was actually able to learn Water Gun. And I do see many ideas wanting a bird-based Grass-type starter, especially after we already had Torchic and Piplup for Fire and Water respectively.

poop face February 26th, 2016 6:37 PM

Well, obviously we're getting the usual trio, it's a franchise classic, there's no sense in changing it up, and if they did, I don't know if I would be a bit letdown.

But, what I have no clue is what their final evolution is gonna be. It seems we're now getting multi-typed Pokemon as the final evolution.

Thepowaofhax February 26th, 2016 6:44 PM

I sincerely hope this starter line-up will be different. It will be more refreshing to have more than one elephant in the room. *Cough cough* Yellow. *Cough cough*

Hopefully the experiment with a different type triangle. Seeing as our name theme is Sun and Moon, Dark/Fighting/Psychic would make a lot of sense.

Dillon_68 February 26th, 2016 7:49 PM

Grass: After Chespin, I really can't use a pattern to predict. I've have to make a wild guess, I'd like to see a grass bear of some sorts, maybe a grizzly. Something bulky and wood-like, but more mammalian like Chesnaught. I think that was a good trend to start, reptilian grass types were getting old.

Fire: Continuing the Chinese zodiac pattern, I'd like the next to be either a fire tiger, ox, or rabbit. I'm pulling for Ox, which makes me think of a fire minotaur (as long as it's not fighting)

Water: Something amphibious....hmmm....a hippo.

Thepowaofhax February 26th, 2016 8:16 PM

Seeing as Grass broke the current trend, I hope for a Grass-type based off of a Locust. Bug/Grass would be especially interesting for a starter.

For Fire, I hope that we get the Tiger if it goes it's current route. If not, going by my idea, I'd love to get a Fire/Flying type based on a bird, I'd love a Cardinal or Blue Jay especially for the vibrant colors. It would also go with a food-chain idea.

For Water, since I have the food chain idea going through my head, we can probably use a snake as some snakes do eat bird eggs and some are amphibious. I'd say Water/Poison would be best.

Abby February 27th, 2016 12:21 AM

Another Thing I'd like to point out is, Psychic is a HORRIBLE choice for a starter. Imagine a child playing for their first time, with no prior knowledge, They haven't been catching things.
They get to a rival fight, after destroying everything with Confusion, and proceed to do no damage. Slowly but surely the opposing dark type whittles down their HP down down down. KABOOM? Your pokémon has fainted.
Rinse and repeat
Rinse and repeat.

Shiny February 28th, 2016 2:48 AM

I'd enjoy a Grass type horse pokemon, a Rabbit water type line and a fire non-humanoid type start if we get any new starters at all.

FamiliaWerneck February 28th, 2016 6:16 AM

I want a Fire Tiger starter. That would be awesome.
For Grass, not necessarily for starter, though it would be cool, a Pokémon based on trees. Oak, Sequoia, Heart, whatever (even Mokujin from Tekken XP), with the condition it'd look majestic, imponent and strong (like the power style that Torterra passes on).
Water starters are not my favorite, but I'd like to see something out of the ordinary. We expect water-types to be always water related. That doesn't happen to the other starters. I can be amazed all the same if a good work is done, of course.

Master of Memes February 28th, 2016 6:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeyboy0 (Post 9135355)
Fire Starter Possibilities: - All fire starters are based off of the Chinese zodiac- here are the signs that are left
Ox
Tiger
Rabbit
Sheep
Horse (Fire Horse - Ponyta)
Snake
[B]We have multiple for foxes Pokémon. Speaking of which, Fennekin isn't truly a dog so a Ram *goat* & Pika * /B]
Water Starter Possibilities: - All water starters need the water to survive, but can survive on land as well
Beavers
Duck (Overused - Unlikely)
Platypus? (Psyduck?)
Salamander? (Mudkip? - I know he is an Axolotl)
Snake? (Like A water snake of some sort)
Mosquito? (No mosquito Pokemon yet- born in the water... Could it start as a larvae?)
Snail
Water Strider (Surskit)

Grass Starters Possibilities: - All grass starters are prehistoric animals in some way... Its almost as if these starters are going through time starting with dinosaurs, and with X and Y, going onto early mammals
Agilodocodon
Alphadon (For their teeth - could be a cool concept)
Cronopio
Crusafontia
Eomaia (Had two layers of fur - cool concepts)
Fruitafossor (Known for digging... ground/grass?)
Hadrocodium (Had a huge brain for how early it lived and how small it was...)

But guys, once we almost got a Fire bear as a starter so.there is no true pattern

Abby February 28th, 2016 6:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master of Memes (Post 9139064)
But guys, once we almost got a Fire bear as a starter so.there is no true pattern

Fire Bear?
Charizard was a dragon
Typlosion was a Rat
Blaziken was a rooster
Infernape was a monkey
Emboar was a pig
Delphox was a Dog?

Master of Memes February 28th, 2016 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absol used bite! (Post 9139113)
Fire Bear?
Charizard was a dragon
a lizard with wings doesnt automatically make you a Dragon. He only has a Dragon Mega to make some babies happy and he has the word 'lizard' in his name.
Typlosion was a Rat
Blaziken was a rooster
Infernape was a monkey
Emboar was a pig
Delphox was a Dog?

Allow the Pokédex to correct you

Bill Cipher February 28th, 2016 11:05 AM

Fire/Fighting

I hope that does not return.

Hikamaru February 28th, 2016 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Cipher (Post 9139506)
Fire/Fighting

I hope that does not return.

It is kinda interesting we have had Fire/Fighting and Grass/Fighting starters, but no Water/Fighting yet. I mean, we have had only one Water/Fighting Pokemon in Poliwrath, and I remember that with the Kalos starters, people were speculating Froakie's final evolution would have Fighting-type but it ended up being Chespin's instead.

While Fighting is cool, I hope we get more uniqueness with the next starters. Give Fighting a break from starters at the moment, Game Freak.

KittiOcelotti February 28th, 2016 11:20 AM

I'll personally like to see a Water-Ice Dolphin Pokemon.

Abby February 28th, 2016 11:52 AM

Tying it to the chinese zodiac, while not being oriental, it's the most dragon-esque.

pkmin3033 February 28th, 2016 11:59 AM

Thinking about it, having Fairy, Fighting and Steel as the secondary types of the starters would be pretty cool...just as long as the Fighting type isn't also the Fire type. I've had enough of Fire/Fighting starters to last two or three generations at least. Maybe Water/Fighting, Fire/Fairy, and Grass/Steel? Fire/Fairy at least would be an interesting combination in my opinion.

Hikamaru February 28th, 2016 12:09 PM

I was watching a two part video from a Pokemon YouTuber called Truegreen7 where he talks about the design and name origins about the starter Pokemon, with the first video talking 1st-3rd Gen and the second 4th-6th Gen.

The latter in particular is interesting because as he says in the video the Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos starters have a notable theme collectively as a trio. Sinnoh's starters are based on myths and legends (Torterra being the World Turtle, Infernape based on Sun Wukong of Journey To The West, and Empoleon is Poseidon with Napoleon Bonaparte thrown in), and it ties in with the fact Sinnoh is a region with loads of myths around it.

Unova's trio theme was countries of the world, with Snivy representing Europe (mainly France due to the fleur de lis on Snivy/Servine's tails and Serperior's body), Tepig representing China (Emboar is also based on Zhu Baije from Journey To The West) and Oshawott represents Japan. This was likely based on the fact that Unova is the Pokemon version of the United States, which is a culturally diverse country.

Kalos has the RPG theme, with the warrior (Chesnaught), the mage (Delphox) and the rogue or thief (Greninja). It also ties in with the starters' secondary Fighting, Psychic and Dark types.

I do hope that this generation's new starter trio also have a connecting theme collectively, as in all three members of the trio have a notable theme in designs as a group. Maybe when we learn the new region I could try and research what possible themes could happen with the starter designs.

mikey February 28th, 2016 12:13 PM

Maybe this could be the game where we get different types for the starters. I am so tired of the Fire, Water, and Grass pattern. Would love to see some new stuff.

pkmin3033 February 28th, 2016 12:14 PM

...for some reason that makes me think of a theme of Power, Wisdom and Courage, to tie in with Zelda's 30th Anniversary this year. I doubt Nintendo would do a crossover theme quite that blatant, but it'd be pretty cool nonetheless!

There are a lot of potential trios for themes, though...

Superfox February 28th, 2016 12:57 PM

I think it would be cool to see an actual fish for the water starter. I know the water starters have a tradition of having, well, legs. But it could be like how Snivy evolved into Serperior and lost its legs in Gen 5.

I'm gonna echo the sentiment of a rabbit fire-type starter. I could definitely see that being Fire/Fairy type. I would also like to see a sheep fire starter, though. That could also fall into the Fire/Fairy type but could be a Fire/Steel or Fire/Ground type as well.

As for Grass, I want to see a parrot or a hummingbird. Make the final evolution a majestic looking bird: Grass/Dragon or Grass/Psychic typing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue (Post 9135167)
I think it would be cool to change up the starter types from the traditional Grass/Water/Fire types. It can still be equally balanced using different types such as Psychic/Dark/Fighting.

I don't really think the Psychic/Dark/Fighting trio works all that well. Firstly, Psychic doesn't just have minimal effect against Dark, it has no effect at all. So, right off the bat that makes the triad uneven. Fighting can damage Psychic, but Psychic can't damage Dark. Also, that trio sort of takes the "basic-ness" our of the starters. The starters are supposed to represent something that's very simple: balance of natural elements (the thing that the trainer is going out into the world to face). So, ideally, the three to replace those three should be another elemental trio. That makes it hard to find three types that fit the bill. You could try to go the route of including Flying and Rock to represent Air and Earth, respectively (two elements left out of the original trio). But that third typing is then hard to find. What type is strong against and minimally damaged by Rock, but weak to and minimally damages Flying and is elemental in nature (so, no Fighting type)?

Desert Stream~ February 28th, 2016 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeyboy0 (Post 9135355)
Fire Starter Possibilities: - All fire starters are based off of the Chinese zodiac- here are the signs that are left
Ox
Tiger
Rabbit
Sheep
Horse (Fire Horse - Ponyta)
Snake

Water Starter Possibilities: - All water starters need the water to survive, but can survive on land as well
Beavers
Duck (Overused - Unlikely)
Platypus? (Psyduck?)
Salamander? (Mudkip? - I know he is an Axolotl)
Snake? (Like A water snake of some sort)
Mosquito? (No mosquito Pokemon yet- born in the water... Could it start as a larvae?)
Snail
Water Strider (Surskit)

Grass Starters Possibilities: - All grass starters are prehistoric animals in some way... Its almost as if these starters are going through time starting with dinosaurs, and with X and Y, going onto early mammals
Agilodocodon
Alphadon (For their teeth - could be a cool concept)
Cronopio
Crusafontia
Eomaia (Had two layers of fur - cool concepts)
Fruitafossor (Known for digging... ground/grass?)
Hadrocodium (Had a huge brain for how early it lived and how small it was...)

Snail pokemon! Yes! that would be awesome, I would name it shelly

Sabrewulf238 February 28th, 2016 5:45 PM

Here's an idea for you...

The 6th gen brought the idea that you'd be able to catch the first evolution of past starters in the Friend Safari.

How would you feel if in the 7th gen, starter Pokemon from previous generations just appeared in the wild like any other Pokemon? (albeit still very rare)

They could perhaps still exclude the previous gens starters from this and give them away in the post game though. (In this case it would be Chespin, Fennekin and Froakie)

Personally I would like it and it feels like a natural direction to go in at this point....I mean technically these starters were in the wild since the professors had to have caught them somewhere. This would just be the logical conclusion of that.

Not to mention with Pokemon Bank it's going to be pathetically easy to get a hold of these starters now anyway. No non-legendaries are really sacred now that the Pokemon Bank exists in conjunction with the GTS.

(I mean heck, even Mew is potentially set to become as common as dish water if the glitched Mew can be transferred from the VC games to Sun & Moon.)

Cyrain March 2nd, 2016 4:15 AM

If we really get a tropical region, I'd love to have matching starters. They can be the usual fire, grass, water types, I don't really have a problem with that. However there's something I think would be really interesting. How about all of the starters get the ghost type:D that would definetly be something special. Not an normal ghost, rather a spiritual being/ a totem...

A red panda, a dolphin and a hummingbird would be my favourites:3!

Kung Fu Ferret March 2nd, 2016 1:25 PM

For a "theme" I would like to see ancient civilizations. Greco-Roman, Egyptian, Mesoamerican, etc.

Shadow Chill March 5th, 2016 6:25 AM

All starters should have a unique dual-type. For example, Grass/Electric or Grass/Psychic. Fire/Electric, Fire/Ice (unlikely), Fire/Steel, Fire/Poison, Fire/Bug, or Fire/Fairy. Water/Bug, Water/Fairy, Water/Electric, or Water/Ghost. As for their evolution theme, it should be based on the region's main inspiration. Preferably ancient.

Hikamaru March 5th, 2016 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digimon Kaiser (Post 9144229)
For a "theme" I would like to see ancient civilizations. Greco-Roman, Egyptian, Mesoamerican, etc.

I think that could a nice concept for a unifying theme with the starters. I know Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos's starters all had a theme among all three starters. It would be more cool if there's unique type combinations as well.

Esper March 5th, 2016 1:40 PM

There are lots of interesting things you could use to make a set of three.

Stages of life: childhood, adulthood, old age
Ages of exploration: sail, air, space
Types of rock: igneous, metamorphic, sedimentary
Personality: Id (defensive oriented), ego (balanced), and superego (offensive oriented)

And for me, if the trio are going to have secondary types that also follow the rock-paper-scissors idea I'd like to see Fire/Rock, Grass/Flying, and Water/Fighting. Something like that wouldn't upset the balance of the starters. The Water-type is still strong against the Fire-type, and so on.

Sceptile14 March 5th, 2016 2:18 PM

I really, really can't see, nor want to see a change in the starter types. It isn't really that it is a staple type choice, but in fact, that the types themselves are the best contrasts in the game.. They are the best contrasts, and ultimately are the best types to have a choice from.

As for inspiration, if they are going for something to go with the region (i.e Froakie, while frogs aren't only native to France, does go with the theme), and if the region is Hawaii, then I guess at least one may be based on a native animal. After a quick search, there is a native bat, but considering bats have been done a lot at this point, I don't really want that. A starter needs to be original, or at least original looking anyway

MarinoKadame March 5th, 2016 2:54 PM

Well before Fennekin we had a Fire Fox, Fennekin was a Fennec Fox tho. I imagine a Grass/Flying Bat starter now.

Superfox March 5th, 2016 4:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9148535)
I think that could a nice concept for a unifying theme with the starters. I know Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos's starters all had a theme among all three starters. It would be more cool if there's unique type combinations as well.

Unfortunately that's impossible because both Water and Grass have been paired up with every other type (except for Grass/Fire). So there are no more unique type combinations that can be used for the starter trio, at least for the Water and Grass starters.

Hikamaru March 5th, 2016 4:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Superfox (Post 9148852)
Unfortunately that's impossible because both Water and Grass have been paired up with every other type (except for Grass/Fire). So there are no more unique type combinations that can be used for the starter trio.

I wasn't exactly going down that route. I mean type combinations that have been not been used by a starter yet, even if it was used by another Pokemon.

Superfox March 5th, 2016 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9148853)
I wasn't exactly going down that route. I mean type combinations that have been not been used by a starter yet, even if it was used by another Pokemon.

Ooooooohhhhhhhh. Well, then, I could definitely see something like this:

Fire/Fairy Rabbit
Water/Psychic Dolphin
Grass/Flying Parrot

Palamon March 5th, 2016 4:48 PM

How about a Dolphin water starter? It's been my dream for so long.

As for Grass type, I'm not sure what I want for that one, maybe a scavenger?

For Fire, I agree with the rabbit sentient.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 5th, 2016 5:09 PM

Maybe we'll get a mammalian trio with sky, sea, and land having a representative. We can get a Grass/Flying bat, a Water dolphin, and a Fire/Ground Bull. In a way the water and fire recreate the weather trio... seeing how Orca's are close to Dolphins, and the behemoth (Groudon's inspiration) is depicted as a bull in ancient art. Perhaps the Dolphin can have Fairy as a second typing so they'll all have immunity's.

moon March 6th, 2016 2:19 AM

It's most likely that the water starter will be one that has legs and can walk around on land. So a dolphin starter doesn't seem too likely.

Also I doubt they will ever stop doing the fire-water-grass starter trio typing, even if fighting-dark-psychic would be cool c:

Esper March 6th, 2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by adventure (Post 9149429)
Also I doubt they will ever stop doing the fire-water-grass starter trio typing, even if fighting-dark-psychic would be cool c:

Yeah, they're not going to do that with the starters after they just did it with the most recent trio. Chesnaught, Delphox, and Greninja were their nod to the Fighting/Dark/Psychic trio idea.

Hikamaru March 6th, 2016 1:15 PM

We already got our Fighting/Dark/Psychic trio with the Kalos starters, so probably not going to be expecting that again.

MarinoKadame March 6th, 2016 2:25 PM

We need a Rock/Flying/Fighting trio since it's the second most balanced triangle. Fire/Rock is only used by Magcargo, Water/Fighting is only used by Keldeo and Poliwrath and Grass/Flying is used by Tropius, Jumpluff line and Shaymin, also each type counterpart well with their weakness since they got a counter versus the weakness of their first type.

Sun March 6th, 2016 9:02 PM

I want a grass Koala starter, it better be Grass/Dark. (: A Fire/Fairy or a Fire/Poison wouldn't hurt.
Last but not least, a Dolphin Pokemon with the Water/Psychic or Water/Electric typing please. (:

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 7th, 2016 7:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 9150206)
We need a Rock/Flying/Fighting trio since it's the second most balanced triangle. Fire/Rock is only used by Magcargo, Water/Fighting is only used by Keldeo and Poliwrath and Grass/Flying is used by Tropius, Jumpluff line and Shaymin, also each type counterpart well with their weakness since they got a counter versus the weakness of their first type.

Or we could get another Grass/Rock since Cradily's line is the only one with that type. Then Water/Flying or Fire/Flying and Fire/Fighting/Water/Fighting. Though we already have had our Fire/Fighting and Fire/Flying starters...

Maybe we'll get a starter trio who share one type like the Bird, Creation, and Tao trios. Maybe a trio of Fairies. Or a trio of dragons.

Zeturic March 8th, 2016 8:19 AM

I'd like to see another flightless bird. Since we've got them as Fire and Water starters, how about a Grass-type flightless bird?

Esper March 8th, 2016 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagiri (Post 9153222)
I'd like to see another flightless bird. Since we've got them as Fire and Water starters, how about a Grass-type flightless bird?

Like a kiwi. Then they could make it a Grass-type by giving it some design elements based off a kiwi.

MarinoKadame March 8th, 2016 12:26 PM

A grass type Kiwi that is a mix of the Kiwi bird and Kiwi fruit.

Pinkie-Dawn March 8th, 2016 12:45 PM

There's apparently a leak from 2ch on what's supposedly our Grass starter.



It sorta resembles an owl, but I don't know which owl species is associated with grass.

Hikamaru March 8th, 2016 1:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9153542)
There's apparently a leak from 2ch on what's supposedly our Grass starter.



It sorta resembles an owl, but I don't know which owl species is associated with grass.

That is quite an interesting analysis from GCPM11 there. If this is confirmed to be the 7th Gen Grass-type starter, then that means we'll finally have a bird starter of each of type, since we had Torchic for Fire and Piplup for Water.

Xander Olivieri March 8th, 2016 1:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9153542)
There's apparently a leak from 2ch on what's supposedly our Grass starter.



It sorta resembles an owl, but I don't know which owl species is associated with grass.

Wonder if either of these have been called fake yet.




Are there any other videos that have started to pop up yet?

Hikamaru March 8th, 2016 1:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Xander Olivieri (Post 9153618)
Wonder if either of these have been called fake yet.




Are there any other videos that have started to pop up yet?

I have a feeling that's fake. I don't trust 4chan at all, and that speculated Fire starter there becomes a Fire/Fighting, which we know we all don't want on a Fire starter again. Plus I can't really see a secondary Dark and Psychic on another starter so soon after 6th Gen.

Xander Olivieri March 8th, 2016 2:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9153627)
I have a feeling that's fake. I don't trust 4chan at all, and that speculated Fire starter there becomes a Fire/Fighting, which we know we all don't want on a Fire starter again. Plus I can't really see a secondary Dark and Psychic on another starter so soon after 6th Gen.

I agree, then there is also the fact Magearna isn't on that list as well. Though I can see GF going back to Fire/Fighting since they gave us a break from it XD

Hikamaru March 8th, 2016 2:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Xander Olivieri (Post 9153645)
I agree, then there is also the fact Magearna isn't on that list as well. Though I can see GF going back to Fire/Fighting since they gave us a break from it XD

It's also odd that we have never had a pure Fire final stage starter since Typhlosion, who has so far been the only one.

Xander Olivieri March 8th, 2016 2:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9153653)
It's also odd that we have never had a pure Fire final stage starter since Typhlosion, who has so far been the only one.

I don't find that odd at all. Gen 2 was also the only time we had all Starters be pure typed. Also apparently Pokejungle have classified the Owl in the vid as fake.

Hikamaru March 8th, 2016 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Xander Olivieri (Post 9153665)
Also apparently Pokejungle have classified the Owl in the vid as fake.

While it would have been cool to have an owl for a starter, if it's fake than I'll accept it. Hopefully the trio we get are well-designed, especially if they want them to fit the region theme.

Del March 8th, 2016 3:10 PM

What about a normal type starter?
something similar to Eevee? Anyways I miss an Electric starter as Pikachu of the Gen I. but I think probably starters will be the trio basic elements... )=

Pinkie-Dawn March 8th, 2016 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Xander Olivieri (Post 9153665)
I don't find that odd at all. Gen 2 was also the only time we had all Starters be pure typed. Also apparently Pokejungle have classified the Owl in the vid as fake.

Isn't Pokejungle one of the least trustworthy Pokemon fansites?

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I don't trust 4chan at all,
4chan also leaked the Unova starter evolutions, Greninja, and Hawlucha before game release.

Xander Olivieri March 8th, 2016 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9153737)
Isn't Pokejungle one of the least trustworthy Pokemon fansites?



4chan also leaked the Unova starter evolutions, Greninja, and Hawlucha before game release.

It's as trustworthy as any Fansite including Pokecommunity. IIRC 4chan also echoed what was posted from 2ch for most of their correct leaks. The media used isn't as important as the person who is providing the information. Outside of official media, everything should be taken as false anyway.

If the video I posted has any of them shown, Serebii who claims it as fake would be viewed in the same light. Pokejungle to the best of my knowledge is more relaxed about sharing information than other fan sites and they do their best to make in known that everything they share is unconfirmed, but that doesn't stop people from jumping to conclusions and then blaming PJ for any misinformation that appears. Serebii has made some errors in the past with translations that turned around to bite them before. They learned, they do more research now and make sure everything is as accurate as they can make it so that they don't fall into the media pitfall that PJ tends to allow themselves to fall into. So really, unless a site just doesn't care about what they post, they are all as trustworthy as anyone who receives information second hand.

Outside of our general Pokemon Media, 4chan is fairly well known to have people who have less than faithful reasons to mess with people. Information provided would fall under the poster as an individual, but it unlike fan sites aren't going to try and post things as accurately as possible and it is a well known media to post fake leaks. We've definitely had more fakes from 4chan than we've had accurate information. If the poster happens to be known and credible, even on 4chan, then the information can be credible as well.

This being said, both Serebii and PokeJungle's "Hoax" list is as credible as they can be for now. Until the actual release of the games any decent listing we get, even the one that had no starters, has potential to be real unless a creator comes forth and says otherwise.

The Owl from 2ch and the line sets in the video have about the same chances of being legit. I remember how almost all the outlets were saying the Gen 5 evolutions were fake because of the way they were propped. Then they were revealed to be real by an official source. There were heavily detailed posts and videos "proving" that Samurott, Emboar, and Serperior were fake and some had a very strong backing by the fans.

So my general view, enjoy what you see if you like it. It's all fake until proven to be real by Gamefreak, CoroCoro or Nintendo/TPC. No matter where it's from. If it's poorly drawn, it'll have less chance of being real, but that doesn't condemn it's potential. We can't nitpick everything.

EDIT: We do also still have people refusing to believe that Sun/Moon are Gen 7 as opposed to the 6.5 and are in ways discrediting Serebii and Bulbapedia for already labeling them as such. This is definitely a case of to each their own, but credit of fansites are only worth what we put into them. If their credit is worth so little to those who refuse to accept that these could be Gen 7, then how can they be deemed credible under any justifiable light? Put your belief into the groups you want to believe in and if they don't make a post about potential fakes, take it as you want it. It can have as much credit as you want to give it or as little credit as you want to give it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 8th, 2016 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9153627)
I have a feeling that's fake. I don't trust 4chan at all, and that speculated Fire starter there becomes a Fire/Fighting, which we know we all don't want on a Fire starter again. Plus I can't really see a secondary Dark and Psychic on another starter so soon after 6th Gen.

We did get Grass/Ground a generation after we got a Water/Ground starter. Also, we got Four generations of Fighting starters (III-V being Fire/Fight. and VI being Grass/Fighting), plus we got pure Water two generations in a row (I,II).

Hikamaru March 8th, 2016 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9153867)
We did get Grass/Ground a generation after we got a Water/Ground starter. Also, we got Four generations of Fighting starters (III-V being Fire/Fight. and VI being Grass/Fighting), plus we got pure Water two generations in a row (I,II).

It is interesting, we haven't had a Fire/Ground starter yet so maybe that would be a way to have a secondary Ground-type for each starter type as far as only starters go.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 8th, 2016 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9153870)
It is interesting, we haven't had a Fire/Ground starter yet so maybe that would be a way to have a secondary Ground-type for each starter type as far as only starters go.

Fire/Ground was one of my expectations for Tepig's final evolution when the Isshu (Unova) starters were first shown, the other was Fire/Dark. We also need a Water Fighting starter final evolution. Also, a Water Dragon Mega since we got Charizard X and Sceptile for Fire and Grass respectively. About species, we don't have a Turtle Fire Starter, or a Grass flightless bird.

Zeturic March 8th, 2016 8:06 PM

Can we please get more starters that aren't green, orange/red, or blue, respectively? To date, the only starters not primarily colored based on their type are Typhlosion (tan and blue) and Chesnaught (brown with green highlights).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire March 9th, 2016 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sagiri (Post 9153964)
Can we please get more starters that aren't green, orange/red, or blue, respectively? To date, the only starters not primarily colored based on their type are Typhlosion (tan and blue) and Chesnaught (brown with green highlights).

I was thinking of this too. Perhaps, even flip the colors. With Fire being blue (as in blue flames), Grass being red, orange and brown (autumn leaves), and water being a tealish color.

Arjay March 9th, 2016 2:21 AM

I'd love the Grass starter to be a Grass/Flying Parrot line. Something like Budgie-Parakeet-Macaw.

I'd also like a Dolphin for the Water starter. Maybe with dual Psychic or Ice type.

As for Fire, as long as it's not Fire/Fighting I'm happy.

Pinkie-Dawn March 9th, 2016 9:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Godshida (Post 9154294)
I'd also like a Dolphin for the Water starter. Maybe with dual Psychic or Ice type.

The only problem with having a dolphin as a water starter is that all water starters have to be able to walk land, because in the anime, fish, whales, and dolphins are restricted to being in lakes, rivers, and oceans for movement, so they can't float in the air like in the games. The anime wants to showcase the water starters on land in order for them to have equal treatment with the grass and fire starters.

Poke_Spirit March 9th, 2016 10:21 AM

I like the idea of choosing from all the previous starters..

Esper March 9th, 2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9154714)
The only problem with having a dolphin as a water starter is that all water starters have to be able to walk land, because in the anime, fish, whales, and dolphins are restricted to being in lakes, rivers, and oceans for movement, so they can't float in the air like in the games. The anime wants to showcase the water starters on land in order for them to have equal treatment with the grass and fire starters.

I agree. The only real ways around this would be to give a dolphin feet (which, well, let's just say it worked okay with Snivy, but I can't imagine this turning out well on a dolphin) or making it float in the air like Inkay. But then Inkay, although a squid, is also a Psychic-type so the floating makes sense there.


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