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Legendary Mascots Discussion & Speculation
So, with the likeliness of being a new generation, there's always a new duo of version mascot legendaries to go with the games. That said, what do you think the new mascots will be based on or what type would they be?
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I have a strong feeling one or both will be Fairy typed, because there aren't enough new fairies to go around. I'd assume the Sun mascot to be part-Fire, because it's the Sun and the Sun is hot (derp) and the Moon to be part-Water, because the Moon controls the tides, etc.
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Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are my guesses for what they'll be based on. :P
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I am thinking that the will be based of the Norse Mythology vibe following XY. That being said, I think they will be based of the wolves Hati and Skoll who are attempting to devour the sun and moon till the end of days. Now they may change this to make them opposites.
But I would say Fairy/Electric and Dark/Fire or Dark/Electric and Fairy/Fire |
I'm gonna throw a wrench in things and just speculate that there won't be version mascot legendaries, but rather they'll go back to the limited amount of legendary pokemon that have no little to no impact on the story of the game, like in the first gen
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Dark-type "Bringer of night" and [???]-type (Fairy? Grass? Normal?) "Bringer of day".
And the third one will be something that control the night-day cycle. |
I'm thinking Sun's could be part fire, psychic, or fairy
Moon could be part water, dark, or fairy Perhaps Magearna could be Moon's mascot... |
I think the mascots for Sun & Moon will be Fairy-type and Dark-type respectively. If you look at the logo for Moon it looks similar to the Dark-type symbols from the TCG series, just a thought?
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If the mascots are based on legendaries, for some reason I think the mascot for Moon will be a Poison-type one considering we haven't had a Poison-type legendary yet (Poison Plate Arceus does not count though)
And for Sun it will be Fire. |
I think the Sun mascot will be the bird we saw, because I believe it'll evolve into a phoenix. I have a feeling there won't be any legendary mascots this time around.
I wouldn't be surprised if this has something to do with Ho-Oh being chosen as the newest Pokemon Centers mascot in Kyoto. |
I have this theory that the Mascots will be based on Egyptian mythology. Sun's mascot could be like Sekhmet, Khepri or Ra, and Moon's could resemble Hathor, Khnum, or Thoth.
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I have a feeling that a legendary mascot duo for this generation could be a Fire-type (Sun) and Water-type (Moon), but Fairy and Dark could work as well given Fairy tends to be associated with light.
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When it comes to my thoughts about the Legendary Mascots, I think they could be based on Greek mythology. The mascot for Sun could be based on Apollo, whereas the mascot for Moon could be based on Artemis.
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It could also be Fire/Psychic and Water/Fairy (since Fairy is associated with the moon) or a combination of the four. |
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I'm expecting Son Goku to be the Sun Mascot and have that chick from Sailor Moon be the Moon mascot. Plz Japan, don't disappoint
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Maybe the moon legendary might be a fairy type since moonblast is a fairy move, although Lunatone and Cresselia are exceptions
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Do we think the strange souvenir might represent one of the mascot legendaries? (or maybe the third in the trio)
It seems like it might factor into this somehow. I think Dark/Fairy could be interesting for Pokemon Moon and maybe something like Fire/Psychic for Sun... |
I actually came up with legendaries based of the sun and moon before these announcements.
Solaron (Sun) Fire/Dragon or Fairy/Fire with the ability Drought Lunaron (Moon) Fairy/Dragon or Fairy/Rock or Fairy/Dark. Maybe the Trio master could be based on earth (Maybe Zygarde which could mean they have a connection to Xerneas and Yveltal). |
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I seriously hope the days of Dragon type Box Legendaries are over. Xerneas and Yvetal were a much-welcomed step back in the right direction after the Dragon overkill of DPP and BW/B2W2, and I want to continue seeing different types on the covers of games. Of course, even better would be to start seeing Starters on the boxes again, which I think could easily work with a Sun and Moon naming scheme. |
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Apollo and Diana/Artemis. I don't care how they do it, I just want to see these two in their designs. Also it would be awesome to see the games based in a Mediterranean-ish setting, which I haven't entirely ruled out yet but don't have high hopes for.
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I can see some Bunny/Rabbit for Moon.
They could do Legendaries based on Izanami and Izanagi. Amaterasu could be used for Sun. I could see Inari too. |
OP should add a poll those this thread whether we think there will or won't be Legendary Mascots since some people believe they will be taking the torch of RBY
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Would be ecstatic if the box legend for Moon was a Wolf.
would say phoenix for Sun, but I guess we already have ho-oh. |
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I'm not sure about Sun (possibly Fire/Fairy?!) but I have a feeling (I hope!) that the Moon legendary mascot will be Dark/Fairy.
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Wonder what kind of abilities it'll have... Moon Aura? Boost Pokémon with ties to the night and moon? |
I feel like its gonna be one of those old fire vs water things since you know glowing ball of fire and all and then we got a planet that pulls the water blah blah blah. So ya i could see them being likely water/fairy and fire/fairy or something along those lines i do have a feeling they will either fall under the dark, fairy, or psychic category though i mean those are just less core typings that would likely be given for pokemon representing objects of that stature.
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http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/okami/images/d/d8/Amaterasu.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20121001033336 I can't find any art for the tsukuyomi that would make a good Pokémon design though... I think a Dark vs. Fairy dichotomy is possible, but Fire vs. Water is also a possibility because of the Sun being hot and the moon controlling the tides like Meloetta said. But at the same time, Fire and Water is a bit gimmicky at this point, we've already gotten it in 2 games (and 3 if you count Ruby & Sapphire). I'd like to see something we haven't already seen several times already :P |
If the region is based off of Egypt then the Pokemon sun legendary should be based of Ra, something like a fiery falcon but I think they should put a spin on it to not be to much like Ho-oh.
The moon legendary would be based off of Khonsu. |
Ra is the Egyptian god of the sun, so it would be a logical design basis for the Sun mascot, or at least serve as part of the inspiration for the design. I could see a lot of different ideas used for Moon's mascot, especially creatures associated with darkness and the night.
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Legendaries based on Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi would be cool, I'm not gonna lie.
I also saw on Reddit a cool theory based on the fan-theory of Entei, Suicune, and Raikou being the spirits of Flareon, Vaporeon, and Jolteon that were revived by Ho-oh. Since it's possible to draw connections between sun and moon with Ho-oh and Lugia, the theory stated that the mascots would essentially be the revived spirits of Espeon and Umbreon. Although we all know Sun will have Volcarona and Moon will have Cresselia. |
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Well, it most probably is based off the moon or the sun. I'm actually hoping for a Dark-Rock and a pure Fire legendary.
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Since Magearna is already a Moom Rabbit, my guess is that there will be another mythical as a counterpart. The three-legged, Crow. Think Tornadus & Thunderus.
As for the mascots, my money is on a Sun Griffin & a Crescent Bat. Fire/Poison & Ground/Fairy. |
There is a kind of flower in Hawaii, ʻōhiʻa lehua, which supposedly sprouts up after lava has flowed through an area. They're associated with goddesses like Pele and Laka. That would make for a nifty Grass/Fire type legendary: a flower that thrives in lava and fire. And to contrast it you could have a rain/storm Pokemon that's Water/Electric. Both would have a kind of destruction/renewal aspect to them since volcanos and lava are damaging, but leave behind fertile soil and storms are also damaging, but bring rain for things to grow.
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I like Master of Meme's Sun Griffin, definitely. Not entirely sure about a bat, given how everybody already feels about Zubat, but a Sun Griffin is very much wanted. Let's make a legendary equal to Ho-Oh in aawesomeness. :') |
So I mentioned in the Lunatone and Solrock thread that perhaps we'll see the concept of the 'Black Sun' used. It happens to be a phase that is spoken of in Alchemy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suns_in_alchemy). There is also a concept by the same name in Aztec mythology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(mythology) If it uses the Alchemical view then it can be a Lion (green?) while with the Aztec view it can be a serpentine creature or a butterfly (legendary bug mascot!)
Edit: So looking at the concept more. Black Sun is related part of the first step of the Nigredo (blackening) or decomposition. It is apparently connected to the creation of the philosopher stone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigredo Perhaps those crystals on the covers are components, halves/thirds of philosopher stones, or whole philosopher stones. Actually this kind of ties to the concept of Ash Greninja. It's only obtainable by a strong bond. I wonder if their bond was so strong that a part of Ash melted and melded into Greninja. Perhaps a similar thing will happen in S/M. |
While I think it's entirely possible that we'll get our typical 2 Legendaries for 2 games like we've gotten since Gen 2, I had just thought of something... what if we get only one Legendary Pokémon, but it has two alternate Formes depending on those crystal items that are in the logos? In one game, you get the Sun-Forme, and in the other game you get the Moon-Forme?
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I bet , Pokemon will create much better version of Apollo and Diana. PS : The Sun Mascot might be a Pegasus |
Has anyone considered that we might not have Legendary mascots this go around? This is something I've been pondering more and more as we speculate. Simplification of the plot would mean no Legendaries, in all probability...and the first gen titles, which they're supposedly going to be drawing from in some fashion, had the starters as mascots, rather than Legendaries. Whilst the second gen had Lugia and Ho-Oh, neither of those played a role in the story either.
So, what if DO get Solrock and Lunatone as mascots to tie in with the region's motif - whatever that may be - and don't get mascot Legendaries instead? Or what if the games don't have mascots at all? It seems unlikely, but I think it'd be interesting to see how these games would be seen without the cutpasted half-arsed Legendary Pokemon plotline we've been forced to endure since the third generation. There are a ton of fantastic ideas they could take inspiration from...but would you really WANT them to do so, when it's almost a guarantee that they're going to receive the same lack of development and exposition as every Legendary that has come before them? They're always Eleventh Hour Superpower or Doomsday Weapon creatures you capture just to keep the bad guys from getting their grubby mitts on them. If that's going to happen again - especially if the designs are as amazing as they have been in the past - I think it'd be better if we didn't have mascot Legendaries. |
I'd rather have them reuse legendaries for Sun and Moon. Mewtwo and Genesect, for example.
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We could always get the Zygarde cores, technically they're considered "new Pokémon" despite being only formes.
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Perhaps we won't get Pokémon as mascots...that'll be interesting... |
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Sun could be based on a Fox -vulpix, nine-tails, fenniken... Fire/psychic
Moon could be based on a panther- Umbreon... Dark/water |
I went through the Pokedex listings to see what type combos we don't have for Fairy yet, and I came up with a couple. Fire/Fairy for Sun, and Ice/Fairy for Moon. I chose Ice instead of Water because the sun's main purpose is to give off light/daytime and heat. When I think of the moon as a foil and opposite to the sun, I think of cold and darkness/nighttime. I went with the Fairy typing because I think combining it with Fire and Ice would make unique typings for the Legendaries.
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Each time I want to check for types I'm checking this chart.
http://pokemondb.net/type/dual Would be great to have a Trick-or-treat and Forest Curse Triple-Type Chart tho. |
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The clouds on the covers makes me think that they might be flying types. Perhaps they could even be Ho-oh and Lugia...but in a new forme/Mega/Primal.
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Admittedly the way they're teasing the boxarts and saying "we can't let you see the pokemon yet!" kind of worries me that it may potentially be pokemon we already know.
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Personally I'm hoping for a Lion for Sun version and a Wolf for Moon version. Types I'm unsure of, but I want those animals.
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i cannot wait for the legendaries ;3;!!!
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This probably isn't right, but something based off of Solrock and Lunatone.
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I don't get why GF being so secretive about New Version mascot !
They didn't waste any moment to reveal BW and XY's version mascot. I mean , Its not like they have something very special compare to another version. What are they gonna do- Reveal ultimate Charizard and Ultimate Mewtwo as Version Mascot ??? I agree , That Sun Mascot seem to have a flaming tail ! Its was lacking from that boxart. But I don't expect it to be Charizard . I think Sun mascot is a Flaming Tiger or Horse ! |
I don't think they're being THAT secretive about it all though, are they? At least, not when compared to previous release patterns. If we don't get Legendary mascots confirmed or denied in the next CoroCoro issue then yes, there is clearly something going on surrounding the issue, but for the time being it seems pretty standard to me.
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Posting this to several threads of interest:
Looks like the legends names have been leaked through trademarks. Reveal may be soon: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1209656 |
Pretty excited. C: The names even make me want to pick Moon even more lol. I do agree on the reveals coming soon though, I definitely think it'll be before mid May, because if Sun and Moon's reveal is anything to go by, they'd be holding off the trademarks as much as they can so the information is brand new at the time etc.
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Those names sound excellent, and yeah with the recent boxart tease + promise of big news next month, legendary reveals are definitely imminent. I'm stoked.
Sol + Luna are pretty self explanatory (spanish for sun and moon) Galeo (apparently?) means swordfish in spanish, and ala means wing. But then Galeo also could be a reference to Galileo, who's tied pretty heavily to Astronomy. My first thought reading "Solgaleo" was "sun lion" though tbh :x Atm I'm predicting it'll be some kind of sun lion, while Lunaala will be some sort of moon-bird thing. Man it's exciting knowing things'll start to take off again in the coming weeks. |
For Solgaleo it's obviously sun for sol and I've heard that galeo means shark in spanish so... sun shark. I expect it will be fire/water again, though they could do something strange.
As for Lunaala it could be a bird because ala means wing in spanish, but I believe aal means eel in german? Not sure though. So what I expect/Hope for: Solgaleo: -sunfish or a basking shark with Fire/Water typing -or basilisk/dragon/snake with shark features such as fins, shark tail, and shark head. Fire/Flying or Fire/Dragon typing Lunaala: -bird or bat with a Fairy/Flying, Dark/Flying, or Fairy/Dark typing -or bird/bat fusion with a bird body, but with bat wings and possibly a bat head. Fairy/Dark typing -basilisk/eel that's Dark/Water or Fairy/Water -or eel/basilisk/dragon with large wings(using both aal and ala). Dark/Flying or Fairy/Flying |
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-Solgaleo The Sun lion pokemon Fire/Rock type Capable of creating stars -Lunaala Ice/Fairy type Both of them can fuse to become Ellipse pokemon |
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main legendary type
What type do you want or think the main legendary pokemons in pokemon sun and pokemon moon are gonna be ?
Personally, i would like a fairy type legendary in pokemon moon and a dark type legendary in pokemon sun. Wabout you ??? |
To me, I personally think the types will be these:
Fire for the Sun legendary, since intense sunlight does strengthen Fire moves, but being a Psychic also seems plausible, especially when you consider Espeon is associated with the sun. For Moon's legendary, I think it'll be Dark or Fairy, but since the moon controls the tides in the ocean, I'd also think of Water. But with the recent rumours of the legendaries' names going around, I could also see it be Flying. |
Yes, it would be great to have a dark+fire type legendary like houndoom (but obviously much more powerful) in pokemon sun.
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Back to the topic at hand,I have a good idea- legendaries based on the solar and lunar eclipse. And make them the opposite mascot of what you'd expect if they are really doing mascots...maybe the "moon legendary" is blocking the sun and vice-versa and that's the idea the evil team wants to accomplish. I'm guessing Fairy/Dark for one but can't see the counterpart. |
I see Sun as Fire/Fairy with levitate or a special version of that ability (think the variants of mold breaker that Reshiram and Zekrom have), or even Fire/Flying like the first two primary version mascots we got. Meanwhile Moon will be Dark/Flying, Water/Flying, or Water/Dark (with a special variant of levitate if Sun is Fire/Fairy like I mentioned).
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Well, we have our mascot legendaries now:
http://i.imgur.com/myYahaT.png?1 ngl I'm expecting these to be broken as all hell lol |
It is hard to tell what these pokemon typing are going to be from the trailer.
I am kinda hoping for another Fairy type. I guess the bat like one could be a fairy. Currently I am going with Pokemon Sun, but will probably eventually get Moon. |
The bat thing is most definitly Psychic type. It has a really Psychic feeling about it
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I'm getting the Dark/Fairy vibe. We're probably not going to get a Dark/Fairy any other way anytime soon, why not introduce it through this legendary? Part bat/part fairy works imo.
Psychic can work but I'd rather if it was partially Fairy... because it would make it even cooler. :) |
Pyroar is now a legendary. Hopefully they don't bring too much attention to that then. Unless it evolves, that might be a bit strange.
Hopefully Lugia shows up at some point. It would be a shame to leave it out, really. |
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Dark/Fairy or Ghost/Psychic would be sweet for Lunaala. I really hope they don't do Dark/Flying, even though it looks quite viable based on the design, which is extremely cool. I love its arms in contrast to the rest of its menacing appearance. Lovely work there!
On the other hand really not a big fan of the lion. It looks like a really generic Digimon or some crap like that. As for typing, Fire I would say is a safe bet, and the combos are pretty expansive. Don't see it being dark type, but I think Electric, Fairy, and Steel are all possible. |
For now, I'm going to assume Solgaleo and Lunaala are the actual names.
Solgaleo...I could take or leave. It looks badass and I love how it's more complicated than Pokemon is known to be with that Megazord/Digimon look. But having that the generation after Pyroar and introduced at the same as Litten makes me a bit wary of another big cat. Shit looks powerful, though. Lunaala, I love how nice and poetic that name sounds for something that looks like a nightmare come to life. I'm definitely hoping for Psychic and maybe with Fairy? Like Solgaleo, it also looks powerful. That said, it's clear now that there is a Hawaiian influence for these games. I understand the bats (they are common in Hawaii, aren't they?) but a lion seems a bit out there. Guess the Legendaries don't necessarily have to fit the same geographical theme as the region, though... |
I can easily see both of them being part Fairy. They both got a very ritualistic, mystical look to them, which I tend to associate with Fairy types now. Fire/Fairy and Dark/Fairy would be my guess. They both looks SO AMAZING though. I absolutely love their designs. I honestly can't pick a favorite yet.
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Pretty sure Moon's legendary is supposed to be a vampire. Being a bat and having an exaggerated Dracula cape gives it away. Makes sense thematically too, since vampires hate sunlight. Doubt it's Fairy.
As an aside, it looks like it's straight out of a Kirby game. Pretty neat. Definitely going with Moon now. |
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The Sun legendary I can definitely see being part Fire-type at the very least, but for the moon legendary (Lunaala?), I'm really thinking it'll be part Water. Here's why: Our moon has a strong relationship between the Earth's tides. Particularly, the moon is responsible for high and low tides.
From home.hiwaay.net: "Tides are created because the Earth and the moon are attracted to each other, just like magnets are attracted to each other. The moon tries to pull at anything on the Earth to bring it closer. But, the Earth is able to hold onto everything except the water. Since the water is always moving, the Earth cannot hold onto it, and the moon is able to pull at it." Website link: http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moontides/ I can see the moon legendary having a relationship with the water based on how our own moon affects our oceans and other bodies of water. But that's just my own theory. What do you guys think? |
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We'll never get legendaries like Dialga/Reshiram and others.
I just hate that 2 legendaries are different so much from each other. sucks. |
These legendaries are definitely unique, I don't know whether that's a good thing or bad thing for me. Initially I wasn't taken back by either of the designs, they just seem to be pretty average right now. The Sun mascot has a striking resemblance to Pyroar whilst the Moon legendary just looks like some sort of hybrid between Noivern and Olympia(?).
I suppose there's plenty of time for them to grow on me, right now though I'm not really digging the legendary mascots. |
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For some odd reason Lunaala reminds me of a dreamcatcher. Like at the end of the trailer when it uses a move it just looks like a dreamcatcher to me lol. I do hope its Dark/Fairy or atleast part Fairy.
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If you look closely at the logo emblems they actually resemble the shape of their respective mascot legendary: the Moon logo is Lunaala's basic body shape, and the Sun logo is fashioned subtly after Solgaleo's mane. Pretty neat!
As for the legendaries themselves good freaking lord. Lunaala looks like some kind of eldritch nightmare wyvern, and Solgaleo sorta looks like a lion version of Amaterasu from Okami. He's basically a much better Pyroar. |
They didn't leave me in awe the way the gen 5 and gen 6 mascots did, but I will admit having a bat legendary for Moon is really clever. Looking closer at its face, I don't dislike it. I don't dislike the lion, either. I'm just not floored by them yet.
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