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Hikamaru August 18th, 2016 5:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9372457)
Have you forgotten that Hoenn only had 2 Pre Evolutions? I don't see a difference and why there isn't a possibility for Pre Evos. And it still is a evolution of a past pokemon. That still makes Unova the only Region with no connections.

I knew of Wynaut and Azurill but I guess people find them forgettable since they're baby Pokemon that many know are useless.

LionTh August 18th, 2016 5:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon_Hero (Post 9135017)
Hoping for at least 100 new. But new Megas might reduce that number...

several new would be enough as for me

blue August 18th, 2016 9:13 AM

Total including Alolan forms currently stands at 46. Considering this doesn't even take into account any of the evolutions or rumoured legendaries, I think we have a good chance of surpassing the amount of new species X/Y introduced.

Iceshadow3317 August 18th, 2016 10:15 PM

As of right now, counting the legends confirmed and the evolutions confirmed via Poke Dex, we are standing at about 51. That isn't counting evolutions that we will probably get, different forms like the 4 Ocarcio or whatever and Alolan Forms. So there is no doubt it my mind that it will surpass Kalos by a good amount.

Hikamaru August 19th, 2016 2:01 AM

As mentioned by the last two posts, we are now like slightly over 50 in regards to new Pokemon + Alola Forms at this stage. If we keep getting more reveals at this pace, we could well have close to 100 new 7th Gen Pokemon known even before the games are released.

Iceshadow3317 August 19th, 2016 12:25 PM

Looks likes their love for Fighting Types in Odd Gens isn't going to be broken in Alola.

Adam Levine August 22nd, 2016 4:39 AM

I just realized the people in Alola are quite weird.

"The people of Alola found this so pitiful that they developed a tradition of chucking Pyukumuku back into the food-rich sea whenever they come across any thin-bellied Pyukumuku."

OK, I guess that's OK, but...

"Apparently it’s a test of courage in the Alola region to put your hand in a Sandygast’s mouth."

What the hell, Alolans? Not even in Unova are the people as weird as them. And they put droppings in their clothing.

Iceshadow3317 September 6th, 2016 5:29 AM

Yo guys, not sure if many people saw it or not. I didn't till Serebii pointed it out.

There was another new pokemon reveled today. but no name was confirmed. But it is also definitely Cutiefly's Evolution.

http://i.imgur.com/D7LhGL3.jpg

blue September 6th, 2016 6:22 AM

Jangmo-o is adorable! I'm leaning towards the idea of it being this gens Pseudo-legend. It definitely looks like it could have two further evolutions.

Adam Levine September 6th, 2016 6:26 AM

Type: Null is AWESOME. It's a chimera! What's not to love?

Jangmo-o is OK. It's cute, and has nice abilities!

Alolan Raticate, though...BLECH...

Is discussing UB-01 OK? Because it looks so weird.

Iceshadow3317 September 12th, 2016 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue (Post 9397337)
Jangmo-o is adorable! I'm leaning towards the idea of it being this gens Pseudo-legend. It definitely looks like it could have two further evolutions.

I have to agree with that. Right now I can't really say. It looks to small to be a non event legendary. I think we will have 2 Pseudo Lines.

I just hope we learn a little bit more about these super beasts or whatever.

Also, Jangmo-o reminds me of an Ankylosaurus. So maybe a modified fossil pokemon? I though right away when i first saw it that it was a fossil, but it was't. At least not confirmed.

I hate double posting, but I wanted to make an update on what we know.

We are currently at about 79 Pokemon, counting form changes so Oricario is counted 4 times, if I am correct on the amount of evolution each pokemon has. So this could be off, as a gave most pokemon at least 1.

58 confirmed (61 counting Ultra Beasts) (This also includes the evolutions for starters, Pikipek, and Cutiefly. Also different forms like Rockruff Evos and Oricario)
71 confirmed with Alolan Forms.
110+ Currently what I think.

The reason I say 110+ is because of the following: (Remember this is my own opinion)
All 3 Starters will have something similar to Rockruff.
Komala will evolve once.
Drampa will have a pre evolution and a possible split evolution for it. (Aka Dramma)
Bruxish will evolve once.
Salandit will have a pre evolution and a counter part for females.
Wimpod will evolve once and possible a pre evolution.
Bounsweet will evolve 2 times.
Comfey will evolve once
Pyukumuku will have an evolution and possible 2 other counterparts.
Morelull will evolve once
Turtonator will have 1 or 2 pre evolutions
Crabrawler will evolve once
Jangmo-o will have 2 evolutions.
The Ice/Ghost Type snowman pokemon with 2 evolutions.
I think there will be 4 more event pokemon.
I think there will be 2 other pokemon to go with Lunala and Solgaleo.
Possible pink bunny with an evolution line, hidden in one of the newest trailers. with 1 evolution.
Possible yellow duck pokemon with an evolution.
I think there will be 3 more Ultra Beasts, making a total of 5, not including possible doubles.
I think there will possible be around 10 to 20 more Alolan Forms.

Iceshadow3317 September 12th, 2016 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9406042)
I'd hesitate about counting Ultra Beasts as Pokemon.

That being said, it's very possible that a large portion of the Alola Dex is still unknown to us. Although that could very well be wishful thinking on my own behalf that we have a large Pokedex...

Aye, we do not know if these Ultra Beasts are pokemon or not. However, I am not sure they would bring in creatures that aren't pokemon that we will eventually battle. However, we can't go on the fact that it has never happened before, as this generation is very different. The older female did say, at one point in one of the trailers, "We love all pokemon, even those from different worlds" right before UB01 came out.

To me, they reminded of the code names they used in Pokemon Collessum and XD Gale of Darkness. The Code name for Shadow Lugia was XD001.

Iceshadow3317 September 14th, 2016 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9406099)
Valid point. It is worth thinking about whether or not we are going to face off against them. It's something I've been scratching my head about, because if they aren't technically Pokemon, then what in the heck are they? :s I'm thinking they must have some type of some sort if they aren't human or Pokemon.

Unless we don't really battle them or whatever, but yeah.

I do find your estimation of 10-20 more Alola forms intriguing, though. :o I do hope this turns out to be the case; I'd want a decent mix of new Pokemon and Alola forms to make for an exciting journey!

I meant to reply a lot sooner. Currently we have 10. I know a lot of the leaks said 27 or 28, but they could have said that wrong on purpose. I said 10 more because that would give us a total of 20, and this is the 20th Ann of pokemon. Anything beyond that is going off of those leaks that said 27 or so. Although I am not sure if any of those are debunked.

I do not think pokemon who have Megas will get one. Mainy because, that is a lot of work and they would have to come up with brand new megas. I know we do not know if they return, but I am going to assume they are returning, although we may not have any new ones yet. I also want to rule out Pokemon who have evolutions in other generations. Because currently, it only seems like pokemon that do not have connection, unless a baby form, with other Generations don't have one.

I also don't want to rule out the fact that some Kanto Pokemon just because they have been posted on the main site, or have normal forms in the game. We do not know where the overworld pokemon have come from.

This is a list of Kanto Pokemon who, in my opinion, are still fair game for getting Alolans: And I am considering this new pokemon, as they basically are. But if you wish to move them an Alolan Form thread, please do.

Spoiler:
Butterfree only.
Fearow only.
Ekans and Arbok.
Nidoking only.
Nidoqueen only.
Cleafable only (Doubtful)
Wigglytuff only (Doubtful)
Parasect only
Venonat and Venomoth
Persian (Possitive we will get one)
Golduck only
Manky and Primeape
Machamp only.
Victrebell Line(As they are wimp to fire. Nice throw back to Johto as well)
Tentacool and Tentacruel (We have a water psychic, maybe they have to adapt)
Golem only.
Rapidash Line
Farfetch'd (Doubting)
Dewgong Line
Muke Line
Cloyster Only
Hypno only (Because it is seen with Skull who use dark types, Drowzee was out of place)
Kingler Line
Electrode Line (Doubting)
Weezing Line
Seaking Line
Starmie Line
Mr. Mime only (Doubtful)
Jynx only
Tauros
Lapras
Omastar line (Almost certain)
Kabutops line (Almost certain)
Snorlax only (Event isn't exactly in Alola)
3 Legendary Birds
Dragonite only

Others that are possible:
Vileplume and Bellossome
Poliwrath and Politoad
Eevee Line (Very very seriously doubt)
Ditto (Very seriously doubt)


So there is still over 40 possible Alolan Pokemon that we could get. Now I know all of them aren't going to get Alolans, but as you can see, there is still a large possibility even with as many evolution and megas we have had with them. Some of them I just seriously doubt, like Ditto and the pokemon who just became part Fairy. And Ditto can already adapt to a great extent.

Zervais September 14th, 2016 5:21 PM

On the topic of Ultra-Beasts, I believe them to be aliens. Creatures found before and once dubbed Pokemon until their true nature was revealed. They were too strong to be Pokemon, rivalling legendaries, so they were called Ultra-Beasts.

The Aether foundation is a group of scientists who wish to study these beasts, perhaps even trying to capture them. I can actually see them luring the UBs to Alola and that's why they appear from portals.

I also believe that one of the UBs took on the basic appearance of Lillie because that was the first thing it saw when coming to Alola. I don't think UB-01 is dangerous but UB-02 (and any others) is.

Just a theory though.

Iceshadow3317 September 15th, 2016 12:30 PM

With the new trailer for the anime, it is shown that Kiawe, the guy with the Alolan Marwahk in games, seems to have a Tortanator. That seems pretty strong for the start of a saga like that. It could be that he is just borrowing it, but this could mean Tortanator is a stand alone pokemon or actually evolves.

blue September 15th, 2016 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9410665)
With the new trailer for the anime, it is shown that Kiawe, the guy with the Alolan Marwahk in games, seems to have a Tortanator. That seems pretty strong for the start of a saga like that. It could be that he is just borrowing it, but this could me Tortanator is a stand alone pokemon or actually evolves.

I wonder if this means he will use one in the actual games on his team? Sometimes the anime teams differ from the in-game teams, but I can't imagine him just having Alolan Marowak.

Iceshadow3317 September 24th, 2016 8:24 PM

Is anyone else surprised that we don't have a bat pokemon yet? I know not every generation has a new bat pokemon, but it seems kinda odd to me for some reason. Then again it has been 2 generations for bats, skip 2 gens, and then 2 more gens for bats. Maybe there won't be a bat this year because of all the flying types so far.

But honestly, I haven't really seen that many pokemon who may live in caves either. And none seem to live in the badlands or desert we have on big island. Most of the ones that would seem to live in areas like that, seem to be more just rocky terrain. Most of every pokemon we have seen, seems to be grass or forest like pokemon.

Famon September 24th, 2016 9:53 PM

Maybe , Aether Foundation should make another artificial Mecha Pokemon to fight Ultra Beasts .

blue September 25th, 2016 1:34 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9424763)
Is anyone else surprised that we don't have a bat pokemon yet? I know not every generation has a new bat pokemon, but it seems kinda odd to me for some reason. Then again it has been 2 generations for bats, skip 2 gens, and then 2 more gens for bats. Maybe there won't be a bat this year because of all the flying types so far..

Lunala is a bat. Though, if you're talking about the typical non-legendary Bat Pokemon that we seem to get frequently then I guess there's still time. I just wouldn't bet surprised if there were none this gen due to Lunala being the legendary Pokemon as a bat.

Iceshadow3317 September 25th, 2016 5:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue (Post 9424960)
Lunala is a bat. Though, if you're talking about the typical non-legendary Bat Pokemon that we seem to get frequently then I guess there's still time. I just wouldn't bet surprised if there were none this gen due to Lunala being the legendary Pokemon as a bat.


I'll be honest, forgot Lunala was a bat. Didn't even look at legends. Guess because I was thinking it wouldn't be in a cave, as it show sit outside. But yeah, you are right, Lunala is indeed a bat.

Still, the only other pokemon, so far, that might live in a cave is Minior and maybe Jangmo-o, although, it says they live in canyons or something along those lines.

Sabrewulf238 September 25th, 2016 8:24 AM

I decided to type up a list of my own predictions for the amount of Pokemon we're getting. I included evolutions and pre-evolutions where I felt they were likely, included past trends like four fossil Pokemon and also included some Pokemon I've seen mentioned in credible rumours. (unless otherwise mentioned I just left them as single stage Pokemon for now)

It should be obvious but if it says "Evo" it's referring to a previous Pokemon the list and if it says "Prevo" it's referring to a Pokemon after it. Also, I'm not counting form changes as separate Pokemon. (because they're probably going to share the same pokedex slot)

You probably shouldn't look at it if you don't want to spoil the rumours though.

--------------------------

Spoiler:

Rowlet
Evo 1
Evo 2
Litten
Evo 1
Evo 2
Popplio
Evo 1
Evo 2
Rockruff
Lycanroc
Komala
Evo 1
Yungoos
Gumshoos
Pikipek
Evo 1
Evo 2
Grubbin
Charjabug
Vikavolt
Prevo 1
Drampa
Bruxish
Cutiefly
Evo 1
Evo 2
Togedemaru
Salandit
Evo 1
Mimikyu
Stufful
Bewear
Wimpod
Evo 1
Bounsweet
Evo 1
Comfey
Evo 1
Mudbray
Mudsdale
Oricorio
Minior
Evo 1
Fomantis
Lurantis
Wishwashi
Sandygast
Palossand
Pyukumuku
Evo 1
Morelull
Evo 1
Prevo 1
Turtonator
Crawbrawler
Type: Null
Jangmo-o
Evo 1
Evo 2
Prevo 1
Passimian
Prevo 1
Oranguru
Snowman #1
Snowman #2
Breeding Cat #1
Breeding Cat #2
Toucan
Yukie/Kirsi
Dolphin
Fossil A #1
Fossil A #2
Fossil B #1
Fossil B #2
Tapu Koko
Tapu
Tapu
Tapu
Solgaleo
Lunala
Marshadow
Magearna
Mythical #2
Mythical #3


I think Passimian and Oranguru will have prevos rather than evolutions, since they seem like they're fully evolved to me. It wouldn't be the first time version exclusives had their final form revealed first either. Reuniclus and Gothitelle were the only ones in their line revealed pre-release during 5th gen.

I gave Cutiefly another evolution because (imo) the image we saw of it's evolution doesn't look fully evolved.

I could have put in another mythical but I decided to play it safe and leave it at three.

This list brings the total to 85....and it has a total of 7 non-legendary single stage Pokemon. (I'm not counting the rumoured Pokemon because even though they will probably evolve I didn't want to include that when it wasn't mentioned by any "leakers" that they evolve) Which lines up pretty well with gen 6. (which had 5 non-legendary single stage Pokemon out of 72 Pokemon total)

I don't think that's the whole list though. I'm guessing the rumoured Pokemon might end up being ones that are due to be revealed before release though.

(again this is only my own take on it and what I think is most likely to happen in terms of evolutions or prevolutions)

Hikamaru September 25th, 2016 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9425533)
Yeah, that seems fair. xD 85 is a rather small amount and you would think that the amount of Pokemon spread across four islands, it would be much more than that, y'know? Which is pretty much why I'm hoping for 120-130 or so Pokemon.

I can get why you want a lot of new Pokemon, but then looking back at why XY had a small new Pokemon list was mainly due to focus into other features. I could see more Pokemon being introduced, but maybe still be smaller than say, Hoenn's roster.

blue September 25th, 2016 12:47 PM

I would have thought that now they have the majority of the 3D models for the Pokemon, they would have a lot more time dedicated to developing new Pokemon. I could be wrong in that statement, but a lot of the models we've already seen of existing Pokemon seem to be exact rips of those from XY. If you cut out the time it takes to model 721 sprites, then surely you'd have plenty more time to add a larger amount of new Pokemon?

Sabrewulf238 September 25th, 2016 1:03 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9425533)
Yeah, that seems fair. xD 85 is a rather small amount and you would think that the amount of Pokemon spread across four islands, it would be much more than that, y'know? Which is pretty much why I'm hoping for 120-130 or so Pokemon.

Well as I said 85 is only my initial prediction based on Pokemon we already know about either officially or through credible rumours (+ fossils) and there are possibly some more unknown Pokemon that haven't been referenced by any of the leaks. The riddler posts updates fairly frequently so he's either teasing us or he's only posting the information as he gets it...so he might not know everything.

Plus...

Spoiler:
The toucan, dolphin, yukie/kiris rumours could be part of evolution lines too....and some of the Pokemon I only gave one evolution could end up evolving again....which would bump the number up some more.

Hikamaru September 25th, 2016 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue (Post 9425559)
I would have thought that now they have the majority of the 3D models for the Pokemon, they would have a lot more time dedicated to developing new Pokemon. I could be wrong in that statement, but a lot of the models we've already seen of existing Pokemon seem to be exact rips of those from XY. If you cut out the time it takes to model 721 sprites, then surely you'd have plenty more time to add a larger amount of new Pokemon?

Given that every non-7th Gen Pokemon and non-Alola Form Pokemon have all their models ripped straight from the 6th Gen games so that meant making models for new Pokemon and the Alola Forms wasn't as much of an issue compared to X/Y when they had to make ones for every Pokemon at the time.

So, with having less battle models to work on, more new Pokemon could be possible. But we also have to take into account how the overworld is rendered in a more advanced way compared to 6th Gen.


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