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eishiba May 2nd, 2016 7:06 AM

rate my ou team
 
The stats are listed as
Hp
Attack
Defense
Sp attack
Sp defense
Speed.

Ferrothorn: iron Barbs - rocky helmet - hardy nature
289
224
361
144
331
76
toxic, stealth rocks, leech seed, sandstorm

Excedrill: life orb-Sand force- adamant nature
424
405
156
122
166
213
Earthquake, x scissor, iron head, rapid spin

Talonflame:choice band, gale wings, adamant nature
297
261
178
165
174
386
Brave bird, u turn, steel wing, flare blitz

Swampert:swampertite-torrent - hardy
341
256
279
206
279
156
Stealth rocks, dive, earthquake, stone edge

Primeape:focus sash -vital spirit- jolly
271
309
156
140
176
317
Close combat, ice punch, gunk shot, vacuum wave

Garchomp :rocky helmet- rough skin - jolly
357
359
226
176
206
333
Swords dance, outrage, earthquake, crunch

PlatinumDude May 2nd, 2016 10:53 AM

Neutral natures like Hardy don't do Pokemon any favors, as while they don't lower stats, they don't increase stats, either. Also, EVs are more important than having raw stats.

Ferrothorn is massive Taunt bait with its current set. If you really want to set up sandstorm, use Tyranitar or Hippowdon, as they set that weather up automatically with their Sand Stream ability. Leech Seed is all Ferrothorn needs if it wants to inflict passive damage:
-Stealth Rock/Spikes
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip/Protect
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs

The above is the standard Ferrothorn set, but since you're using Sand Rush Excadrill, use Tyranitar or Hippowdon as your Stealth Rock setter instead:

Tyranitar:
-Stealth Rock
-Stone Edge
-Crunch/Fire Blast/Ice Beam
-Pursuit
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 248 HP/80 Def/180 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream

Hippowdon:
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Toxic/Whirlwind
-Slack Off
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/144 Def/112 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream

While Sand Force seems tempting to increase Excadrill's power further, it's still not that fast. Its average Speed is why Sand Rush is the preferred ability when it's paired with sandstorm inducers. Rock Slide is literally the only coverage move Excadrill needs, as it has good coverage with Earthquake and allows Excadrill to hit Talonflame, a Pokemon that walls its current moves, on the switch:
-Earthquake
-Iron Head
-Rock Slide
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon
Ability: Sand Rush

Use max Attack/max Speed as Talonflame's EV spread.

Mega Swampert must be paired with Politoed to make the most out of its Swift Swim ability. Since this isn't a rain team, Mega Swampert isn't an option. You're better off giving the Mega slot to Garchomp, since it's already paired with Tyranitar/Hippowdon:
-Swords Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Garchompite

or
-Draco Meteor
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast
-Stealth Rock/Stone Edge
Nature: Naive
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Garchompite

Now this team needs a Water resistance. Slowbro, Azumarill, Amoonguss, or Tangrowth are good substitutes:

Slowbro:
-Scald
-Psyshock/Calm Mind
-Thunder Wave
-Slack Off
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/232 Def/24 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator

Azumarill:
-Waterfall
-Play Rough
-Aqua Jet
-Knock Off/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 164 HP/252 Atk/92 Spe (Choice Band) or 240 HP/252 Atk/16 SDef (Assault Vest)
Item: Choice Band/Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Belly Drum
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 92 HP/252 Atk/164 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power

Primeape outright sucks in competitive play. Yes, it has a decent move pool, but it seriously struggles against bulky Ghost Pokemon. As this is a sand team, Toxic Orb Breloom is a decent fit to help check Water Pokemon more easily and set up with Swords Dance to hit harder:
-Swords Dance
-Seed Bomb
-Superpower/Drain Punch
-Facade/Mach Punch
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 12 HP/244 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

eishiba May 2nd, 2016 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 9224419)
Neutral natures like Hardy don't do Pokemon any favors, as while they don't lower stats, they don't increase stats, either. Also, EVs are more important than having raw stats.

Ferrothorn is massive Taunt bait with its current set. If you really want to set up sandstorm, use Tyranitar or Hippowdon, as they set that weather up automatically with their Sand Stream ability. Leech Seed is all Ferrothorn needs if it wants to inflict passive damage:
-Stealth Rock/Spikes
-Leech Seed
-Power Whip/Protect
-Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs

The above is the standard Ferrothorn set, but since you're using Sand Rush Excadrill, use Tyranitar or Hippowdon as your Stealth Rock setter instead:

Tyranitar:
-Stealth Rock
-Stone Edge
-Crunch/Fire Blast/Ice Beam
-Pursuit
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 248 HP/80 Def/180 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream

Hippowdon:
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Toxic/Whirlwind
-Slack Off
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/144 Def/112 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream

While Sand Force seems tempting to increase Excadrill's power further, it's still not that fast. Its average Speed is why Sand Rush is the preferred ability when it's paired with sandstorm inducers. Rock Slide is literally the only coverage move Excadrill needs, as it has good coverage with Earthquake and allows Excadrill to hit Talonflame, a Pokemon that walls its current moves, on the switch:
-Earthquake
-Iron Head
-Rock Slide
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon
Ability: Sand Rush

Use max Attack/max Speed as Talonflame's EV spread.

Mega Swampert must be paired with Politoed to make the most out of its Swift Swim ability. Since this isn't a rain team, Mega Swampert isn't an option. You're better off giving the Mega slot to Garchomp, since it's already paired with Tyranitar/Hippowdon:
-Swords Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Garchompite

or
-Draco Meteor
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast
-Stealth Rock/Stone Edge
Nature: Naive
EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Garchompite

Now this team needs a Water resistance. Slowbro, Azumarill, Amoonguss, or Tangrowth are good substitutes:

Slowbro:
-Scald
-Psyshock/Calm Mind
-Thunder Wave
-Slack Off
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/232 Def/24 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator

Azumarill:
-Waterfall
-Play Rough
-Aqua Jet
-Knock Off/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 164 HP/252 Atk/92 Spe (Choice Band) or 240 HP/252 Atk/16 SDef (Assault Vest)
Item: Choice Band/Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Belly Drum
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 92 HP/252 Atk/164 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power

Primeape outright sucks in competitive play. Yes, it has a decent move pool, but it seriously struggles against bulky Ghost Pokemon. As this is a sand team, Toxic Orb Breloom is a decent fit to help check Water Pokemon more easily and set up with Swords Dance to hit harder:
-Swords Dance
-Seed Bomb
-Superpower/Drain Punch
-Facade/Mach Punch
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 12 HP/244 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal


I forgot to say where they were ev'ed.
Ferrothorn both defenses
Excadrill Hp Attack
Talonflame speed attack
Swampert both defenses
Primeape attack speed
Garchomp attack speed

For ferrothorn I was trying to get something that could sit back and take alot and let the opponent fall to toxic and leech seed. I'm open to suggestions.

Excadrill I wanted something wither for rapid spin or defog the can use the move without dying from the hit takes. Again open to suggestions.

Swampert hasn't impressed me. Mega Garchomp didn't impress me either when I tried it. Kind of lost on what mega to use or.maybe a different poke altogether.

Primeape seems good for Breloom spore focus punch sub abusers. Ice punch kills most dragons that are paired with ground and flying for 4x. Gunk shot 2hkos clef able and sylvion. I couldn't get Breloom to work back when I used it
. Still open to suggestions.


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