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Sun May 2nd, 2016 10:09 AM

Our Favorite Old Characters
 
Bliss' response has inspired an idea for a new thread, haha.

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9224352)
I was honestly kind of thinking this too; if not the Professor, maybe the assistant? Although his personality suggests that he'd rather work alone I think, so who knows.

If they somehow incorporate Mega Evolution into the main plot(again) for SM, I think it would be neat to see him again. I was honestly expecting him to show up in the post-game of XY after encountering that NPC who met him on Route 10.

I personally would love to see Colress as our regional Professor in SM, if not, we can go with Bliss' assistant idea too!

Who would you like to see again and why? How important and relevant they should be to the (main) plot?

Hikamaru May 2nd, 2016 10:11 AM

As unlikely as it is, I would like to see Colress again especially with that NPC on Kalos Route 10 mentioning him. Knowing most new generation games, older characters seem to only make minimal appearances or not at all, so maybe the best I could see is him getting mentioned again.

illumine May 2nd, 2016 10:15 AM

They should honestly bring back a few main characters from earlier games for anniversary-related cameos. Alder could begin a sing-song about the virtues of the metal generation and especially the Silver version, etc.

Really, though, unless the regions overlap, not sure about older characters being given too prominent a role. Firstly, this might disturb canonicity if they're too old, and secondly they probably want to start up a new region, if that's what they're going with primarily, with mostly new inhabitants and so on compared to the recent games.

FireSnow May 2nd, 2016 11:33 AM

With the possible connection to Kalos still a possibility (as far as I remember that is still a possibility anyways), I could see some of the characters from the XY games come back, such as Sycamore (especially if there is a connection to Mega Evolution) and I'm thinking Looker will come back again since hes been very prominent in the games the last few years.

I had forgotten about the Colress mention in XY so that would be pretty cool if we got to see him in the new games. I always thought he was cool character and seeing him again would interesting for sure.

HardstyleRaver2 May 2nd, 2016 4:12 PM

Here's a thing. Game Freak has a tradition in naming the professors from trees. Oak, Elm, Birch, Rowan, Juniper, and Sycamore are the professors. Colress is not a tree, and he was from an evil organization; therefore, I'm highly confident that Colress is not going to be our next professor.

TheLegendaryGuy May 2nd, 2016 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HardstyleRaver2 (Post 9224745)
Here's a thing. Game Freak has a tradition in naming the professors from trees. Oak, Elm, Birch, Rowan, Juniper, and Sycamore are the professors. Colress is not a tree, and he was from an evil organization; therefore, I'm highly confident that Colress is not going to be our next professor.

Right, which even makes me confident about Colress not being the new professor. As has been the tradition of nintendo of introducing a new professor in every new region Ash goes, this new region in SM is also gonna have a new one.

Sun May 2nd, 2016 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HardstyleRaver2 (Post 9224745)
Here's a thing. Game Freak has a tradition in naming the professors from trees. Oak, Elm, Birch, Rowan, Juniper, and Sycamore are the professors. Colress is not a tree, and he was from an evil organization; therefore, I'm highly confident that Colress is not going to be our next professor.

First, the thread isn't mainly about Colress. Second, Colress is just a first name. Third, my words are just wishful thoughts. Also on a serious aspect, they aren't going to let Colress become a regional professor since he was working for Team Plasma. (:

illumine May 3rd, 2016 1:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HardstyleRaver2 (Post 9224745)
Colress is not a tree

I suppose he could get a quick change to something like 'Cypress' in English, because he has left the team and hence can return to being named after trees and such, nonetheless there does seem to be some potential in charting the various characters in the Pokémon series based on marking whether or not they are trees.

Aisu May 3rd, 2016 1:58 AM

Zinnia for Pokemon Champion of whatever-the-hell-this-region you guys

TheLegendaryGuy May 3rd, 2016 8:12 AM

Something just came to my mind. What if we see that the new elite 4 champion is some gym leader from past gen games, like Brock, or Clair, or that Opelucid gym leader(whose name i do not remember).. It would be great, isn't it?

Hikamaru May 3rd, 2016 8:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nishthelegendarytrainer (Post 9225474)
Something just came to my mind. What if we see that the new elite 4 champion is some gym leader from past gen games, like Brock, or Clair, or that Opelucid gym leader(whose name i do not remember).. It would be great, isn't it?

It would be an interesting concept, but I still feel we'll be getting an entirely new champion going by most generational patterns. The Johto games were an exception since Kanto did make up the post-game, and B2/W2 took two years after the first Unova games.

Sun May 3rd, 2016 9:08 AM

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Originally Posted by nishthelegendarytrainer (Post 9225474)
Something just came to my mind. What if we see that the new elite 4 champion is some gym leader from past gen games, like Brock, or Clair, or that Opelucid gym leader(whose name i do not remember).. It would be great, isn't it?

I can see the possibility with Misty in particular! She had expressed an interest in traveling! Yeah, it's just 'one of those text', but that doesn't deny the possibility of GF picking up that part again (see Munna and Picknicker Carol in FRLG/FRLG's classic counterpart, the Gen I games).

NikkiButt May 3rd, 2016 1:37 PM

I would love pretty much ANY returning character from a previous main game. One of the reasons I have the fondest memories of Gold & Silver was seeing the Gym Leaders and other characters make a return, especially seeing Koga become an Elite 4, or how Lance went on a solo crusade against Rocket, hearing about Giovanni and how Red became a Pokemon obsessed Master and kinda secluded himself Akuma style for someone strong enough to challenge him.

I think that's one thing the Pokemon games could re-learn, letting us get to know characters and see them grow/progress within these games. I would love to know what happened to Red, the past Elite 4 members. I'd also absolutely love to see Professor Juniper and Siebold return down the line.

Rivvon May 3rd, 2016 6:11 PM

I feel that if the region is connected to Kalos, Sycamore may act as professor in it, too. Or if we get a new professor, Sycamore could still have a larger role, similar to how Oak played a small part in the story of gen 2 (and introduced us to it, leaving Elm as our only prof. to not welcome us into the world of Pokémon).

Then again, if the region is connected to Kalos, we'll probably see a lot of Kalosian NPCs, as I feel Game Freak would probably not make, for example, a completely new set of 8 Gym Leaders when they could easily reuse most of the ones they already have.

On another note, this is something I brought up in some other thread but I guess the same idea applies here, too. Some characters work really well as "cameo fodder" because they aren't really very in-depth, so just appearing as a cameo doesn't really "ruin" their character. But then there are some characters who are very in-depth, and just appearing as a cameo could leave a bad taste in your mouth that they weren't utilized to their full potential.

For example: Cynthia. Awesome, but not very deep character-wise. So her appearing as a cameo character in BW feels appropriate because she can battle you with her powerful team and have this sort of "aura" of just how cool she is. Nothing about her character is "lost" and she remains "herself."
On the flipside, Looker. A character who, to a good number of fans, is known for helping add depth to the narrative he joins in. So him appearing in ORAS just to give you the Audinite, with amnesia for absolutely no reason whatsoever, feels almost insulting to his character. Why is he there? Why does he have amnesia? Why does he have the Audinite? Fans ask these questions because they've come to associate narrative depth with Looker. But in this case he was demoted to "standard NPC:" any nameless NPC could have given you the Audinite and nothing would have changed about the scenario. So unless Sun & Moon play off the plot point of Looker having amnesia, the whole scenario was pointless and Looker "demoted."

So when it comes to certain characters, especially those associated with a lot of narrative depth, they can't really be "cameos" without degrading them in some way--and personally, I'd rather those characters not appear at all than appear in a way that is completely disrespectful to their character. I know that Colress was used as an example, but playing off of that, he'd have to be a pretty major character to justify him being in Sun & Moon, otherwise it's not really gonna feel like Colress--rather, he'd have to have an appropriate reason for being there. This applies to other major, in-depth characters, too.

There are definitely appropriate ways to incorporate such characters as mere cameos, but the key thing is "reason." Nobody wants to see their favorite character show up only to be upset by how they were handled.

Like, I would love it if, for instance, this was the region where N and the BW protagonist finally met up with each other (bonus points if there's some sort of data retrieval function like in B2W2 where you can have the protag be the same as yours in BW). But that kind of thing would require at the very least a heartfelt scene to play out, not just have N stand there doing nothing.

Ho-Oh May 4th, 2016 3:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Aisu (Post 9225217)
Zinnia for Pokemon Champion of whatever-the-hell-this-region you guys

I dunno from what I saw in ORAS she's probably not coming back. Seems like she's headed for the stars... or something like that. I think Steven has a better chance out of any people in ORAS to make a comeback. He seemed pretty important.

Hikamaru May 4th, 2016 5:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 9226364)
I dunno from what I saw in ORAS she's probably not coming back. Seems like she's headed for the stars... or something like that. I think Steven has a better chance out of any people in ORAS to make a comeback. He seemed pretty important.

You know, if we had Cynthia appearing in two different regions I wouldn't mind Steven making a cameo in 7th Gen region, especially with him being a popular character among fans like Cynthia is.

Sun May 5th, 2016 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 9226364)
I dunno from what I saw in ORAS she's probably not coming back. Seems like she's headed for the stars... or something like that. I think Steven has a better chance out of any people in ORAS to make a comeback. He seemed pretty important.

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Originally Posted by Zinnia
"“I was finally able to bring everything to an end. I thank you for that. I think I'll spend some time now trying to find out if it's also possible to forge a new beginning for something once lost. Until we meet again,
Zinnia”"

C'mon, she's not dead. :P She's probably traveling. Even if Zinnia doesn't end up as a Champion as most Zinnia fans wish. It's possible for her to reappear in SM like how N appeared to help Nate/Rosa during the climax. :D

KillerTyphlosion May 5th, 2016 11:47 AM

It is not impossible. I mean in gen 5 we saw Caitlin as an E4 member. She was a frontier brain in gen 4. We will probably see Looker again, but I would really like to see emma again in her suit.

LilyGardy May 5th, 2016 12:09 PM

There are several 'old' characters in Pokémon that I like. Professor Oak is the first Professor and as well as giving many players their first Starter, is famous for his notorious forgetfulness.

Blaine may be the coolest old man in the series particularly in the Gold/Silver remakes and to a lesser extent in the Gen 5 PWT and of course Gen 1. Drayden not only has a wise teacher Aura but also is noticeably tough...he wrestles Dragons.

In terms of 'old' as in returning characters I'd like to see most of the Kalos Gym Leaders given more exposure. For whatever reason the only Gym Leader the developers chose to give any depth to was Korrina and everyone else was just there. Valerie in particular could have been used more with the addition of the Fairy Type but got no exposure just like all the non Korrina Kalos Leaders.

In terms of potential returning characters potentially Sycamore could be a Champion. In the games he is clearly shown as having all three Kanto Starters and I think he has a Gible in the anime.

I can see Cynthia appearing again as a random bonus boss similar to the Unova Games.

Ho-Oh May 5th, 2016 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun (Post 9228292)
C'mon, she's not dead. :P She's probably traveling. Even if Zinnia doesn't end up as a Champion as most Zinnia fans wish. It's possible for her to reappear in SM like how N appeared to help Nate/Rosa during the climax. :D

Yeah but the old lady in the cave implied we wouldn't be seeing her anytime (we as in us). Although she might appear to a super powerful dragon in Sun and Moon. Although given that our likely mascots might not be dragons I don't know how you'd really get her to apply to the story.

Sun May 5th, 2016 9:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 9228571)
Yeah but the old lady in the cave implied we wouldn't be seeing her anytime (we as in us). Although she might appear to a super powerful dragon in Sun and Moon. Although given that our likely mascots might not be dragons I don't know how you'd really get her to apply to the story.

Actually, I took the meaning of we as in Brendan/May, the protagonists of Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby. But hey, there's no real definition when it comes to that; you aren't completely wrong and I'm neither right, haha.

Hopefully, we'll get at least a mention.

I've seen people said that Cynthia should reappear. One thing's for sure if she appears in SM, People will be saying: #SinnohConfirmed, hahaha.

EDIT: If Zygarde's going to receive his own (little) chapter during SM's post game, Zinnia should better make an appearance.

Zakariya May 7th, 2016 1:25 PM

I would like to see N make an appearance once more, and have the amount of significance he did during the Generation V games. I don't recall an older character being used in a newer generation like this in the past, and I generally find the concept of N returning after years of absence to be highly interesting.

One of the closest things to an older character (in the main series games, excluding remakes) being given a meaningful use years after their games of origin was Sabrina taking the role of actor in BW 2.

I'm not considering the use of the previous generation characters in the Pokemon World Tournament as equally meaningful since they're shown to have little to no development in Generation V, and the games don't really tell us anything about what's happened with them through the years. In Sabrina's case, her appearance in PokeStar Studios at least shows she's had a career change.

The second point I'm trying to make with this is that there's a chance we'll see an older character having some kind of importance to that degree (if not higher) in the Generation VII games. Though as I implied, it will likely be in the form of appearing in what equates to an optional minigame. >__>

illumine May 7th, 2016 2:55 PM

N has showed up a few times, so they might not want to try that again. They might want to further elaborate on some more sidelined or wandering characters like Alder, but probably not that much in their case - nonetheless, they are always a possible return if they can do so properly. Honestly, they could just have Sabrina narrate the game as in the film 'Titanic,' and have it be similar with singing mini-games, etc., where Falkner tries to approximate Sting in 'Every Breath You Take,' for instance, which would also have an anime tie-in, a bunch of bikers using a Skarmory, and an evil team led by Pryce (for their decent pun via their 'gift' they are a bit neglected later on) trying to drown everyone like Team Aqua. However, they might want to give such characters a more central role this time, if they're returning, to reflect upon their games and so on. Some ice-related characters might, less facetiously, be worth a return in-game, as they have been focussing a bit on types being strong against Dragons or balancing them out, and hence they might as well use such themes as an excuse to emphasise the type.

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Although given that our likely mascots might not be dragons I don't know how you'd really get her to apply to the story.
They can always be dragons, as recent regions have shown. Zinnia could function a bit like a Schrödinger's cat in expressing this uncertainty.

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Blaine may be the coolest old man in the series particularly in the Gold/Silver remakes
To be fair, Blaine doesn't do that much in G/S, comparatively, and you might easily miss them. Perhaps they might be worth reviving for that reason, but otherwise they don't have that much in terms of in-game plot or aims that would seem to compel it.

Ho-Oh May 7th, 2016 5:56 PM

N unfortunately probably won't be involved if you really think about it. N would have a reason to appear in the 8th gen because of the opportunity of remakes within that generation. Sun and Moon is most likely going to get a few Sinnoh people to hint towards the remakes rather than anyone so central to Unova's storyline.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 7th, 2016 7:42 PM

I can see Blue and Cynthia reappearing. The two have (well in Japan at least) for most continuous appearances. Blue appeared in RGBYGSC before taking a break. While Cynthia appeared in DPPtH.gS.sBWB2W2 before taking a break (5 releases, and 9 games among those 5 releases, making her the most recurring character since her introduction. If only Looker hadn't skipped HgSs...).


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