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Alola's relations to Kalos
Right after Sun and Moon were announced, some people, including me, speculated that SuMo could be Kalos' GSC- Sort of a sequal to XY.
After seeing a short peek of what Sun and Moon are, do you still take that as a possibility? Share your opinions <3 |
Unfortunately, I think the XY sequel idea is dead. :( Why set the new games in Hawaii if they're going to be sequels to games set in France?
Nope, it appears that Aloha will be yet another isolated reboot region, just like Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, and Kalos itself. We're probably not even going to see any characters from previous games, let alone any other previous regions, which is hugely disappointing. So much for these being the "special" 20th Anniversary games, huh? |
I definitely believe there's a chance we will be visiting Kalos some stage of the game. In an interview Junichi Masuda was talking about how X/Y's storyline will be tied up in a unique way that will surprise everyone and it was also mentioned that "flowers" as a hint for the upcoming games before Sun & Moon were announced. There is the sundial in Anistar City and talks of a moondial in another location as one of the few unfinished stories from Kalos.
Gold and Silver were a new generation but still allowed you to travel to Kanto as postgame content, so it's certainly a possibility that would make for an awesome storyline and postgame content. |
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I still believe that it is possible. Something happened to Looker between ORAS and XY. He took a subway and left and then reappeared in Hoenn on the shore of the Battle Frontier Island.
Hoenn and Alola is probably close to one another on a pokemon map, as Hawaii and the region is which Hoenn is based around are in the same ocean. Masuda said that XY's plot will be wrapped up in a unique way. This was after the games came out. This was also said that the future of pokemon is 'flowers'. He also said that if there was a Z in the same thing. As for flowers, this was talking about Hawaii because each island has a flower that it gives to travelers. The color of the flowers depends on the island you are on. This is why it is called the Rainbow State, which was also the coverup name for these games. If you finish the Hoenn Dex, the starters are wearing flowers that they give to travelers in Hawaii on the Dex Certificate. One of those colors that they were wearing is one of the colors that the island that we know of is based on. |
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Aloha is as far away as you can get from Kalos. It'd be one thing if Sun/Moon's region was based on Spain, Italy, the UK, or some other place close to France, but Hawaii? That pretty much seals the deal on the games' (lack of) connection to XY/Kalos, I'm afraid. :( |
Masuda wasn't the one to say the whole "flowers" thing, that was a TPCi PR person or such. And I think the reasoning for "flowers" is already starting to make itself known: it's (sadly) not a plot thing, it's a region thing. Hawaii is known for its flowers such as the hibiscus, right?
And I'm curious: where was it said that XY's story would be "tied up in a unique way?" I've never read such an interview, so I'd like to see a source so I can peruse it. Regardless, as much as it pains me to say it, maybe the "unique way" is in relation to how Zygarde is only featured prominently in the anime instead of in the games. I don't like it, but I feel it's a possibility. Don't get me wrong, I want to believe. I really, really do. But I've been let down twice in a row with these games. It's just a matter of which saying they opt for when it comes to handling these games: "Third time's a charm?" Or "It's best to do things in threes?" Maybe there's a chance it isn't the latter, but I'm not on board the hype train for these games until that's genuinely confirmed. |
Given that Kalos is basically France and this region looks to be in Hawaii... no. A link to the Pokemon regions stationed in Japan is plausible due to Hawaii's proximity to Japan, so getting linked to Sinnoh or Kanto could actually be a thing, but Kalos is hilariously far away from where Alola seems to be so I don't see it happening.
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That Kalos is potentially opposite of Alola reminds me of the "pokéball" region theory. The first two regions cover the east and west south center Honshu. While Kyushu is southern most 'mainland' Japan, with Hokkaido (Sinnoh) being northernmost. So it's a Pokéball. Now to revise this theory with the newest regions. NY doesn't seem to fit until you notice that it's nicely centered between France and Hawaii. |
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I honestly doubt if we'll even see Kalos characters in these games, let alone Kalos itself. This is going to be yet another isolated reboot region, just like Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, and Kalos. However many past gen callbacks RSE, DPP, BW/2, and XY had is how many Sun/Moon will have, which is to say, not very many. Very disappointing for supposed "special" Anniversary games. |
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GF really missed an opportunity with Sun/Moon, IMO. For example, instead of setting the games in Hawaii, they could've instead set them in the UK, where they could've established a direct connection with Kalos (France), as well as even a more distant connection with Unova (US). |
I don't think its a sequal . That was Kalos, this is Alola, that was France, this is Hawai. So, you see the difference. And thats good for me, since i've rarely liked the games that come in sequals.
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I'd like to point out a few real-world things about Hawaii, and it could very well apply to the games nicely as a 20th Anniversary game:
- Hawaii is a state in the US, so that there is an automatic connection to Unova since Unova is based on New York. - Culturally and historically, Hawaii has ties to French Polynesia, which is owned by France. Maybe they could make it how Kalos once owned Alola or something. - Hawaii has close ties with Japan, with immigrants from Japan and also because of Japan's campaign to take over the Pacific during WWII. On top of all that though, it's a huge tourist attraction for people from all over the world, so I can easily see people from all past regions appearing in Alola. |
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I'm also sure we'll get mentions of references to previous games, but likely not a lot. |
I'm worrying on the fact if there's gonna be more islands other than Alola so that we can island-hop, though that's unique, I worry that Kalos,it's plotholes, or Zygarde won't get featured in the post-game. I know the forms will be in the game, but I feel it's deeply connected with Kalos more, as it's native there. And from what i hear that the 3ds can store up to 8GB max, I'm not sure if this is possible.
I don't want to get the feeling that they duped Kalos, Zygarde, and AZ's Floette in favor of this. Or if they tried to just shove Zygarde's forms into the new region as an excuse, how will Xerneas and Yveltal be in the new region too? I wonder how they will manage the third legendary of this new region, if the trademark name "Marshadow" ends up being real, and not making Sun/Moon half-assed games that a future sequel is gonna fixed all of them. And since the NX won't be coming until March 2017, I don't think future main games are going to stay on the 3ds. Its a long pull, but the Bat Legendary looks very similar to Olympia, the Psychic Gym Leader from Gen 6. Just go ahead and compare them. There's also the stuff of the Backpacker in Gen 6 hinting to a new Region and hyping it up like none before. No other game has ever done that. Not Gen 1, Gen 2, Gen 3, Gen 4, and Gen 5. Gen 6 is the only one that has pulled off this clue. In addition, there has been a mention of a "Moondial", as opposed to the "Sundial" in Gen 6. There's the stuff that Zygarde's cores are powered by sunlight, etc, etc. There's a lot of clues scattered in Gen 6 relating to Gen 7. This new region reminds me of the Sevii Islands from Kanto. But,I think this region shouldn't be too far from Kalos. It may be based off of Hawaii, but it could also have it's European slant by being an island chain based off the Mediterranean. The latter would help out the Kalos sequel since it would be the region to its immediate south (or in this case it would be southeast). I'm still optimistc about these games, so I hope they will deliver to many fans.. |
Volcanion being a Kalos Pokemon but being a volcano Pokemon gives me hope. AZ and Eternal Floette and Lysandre and his possible connection to Solgaleo too... and then there's the lack of Zygarde's arc being represented in a game yet. I'm sure we will get a Zygarde core and an opportunity to explore part of Kalos.
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I think I remember hearing that Hawaii and France were in fact connected somehow...
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I think you'll get to travel there post-game... and maybe see scenes out of previous games too. Like it's too early to assume. Just because we'll most likely be travelling island to island doesn't discount that we can travel to Kalos by plane. Zygarde would be the first legendary completely ignored storyline wise for a few generations and there's no need to do that when all recent games have aimed to expand plot, expand characters etc.
I mean maybe Zygarde's 100% forme is let loose on the island by the evil team (assuming there is one) and your legendary has to stop it by bringing the night ahead or the day ahead idk something along those lines. Then you catch it and have to return it to Kalos and in the mean time your professor asks you to complete pokedex research there for him. Boom. It's a stretch but hey anything can happen right? |
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Unfortunately, I'm starting to get the feeling that Kalos really is getting left behind without closure. I mean, why set the new games in Hawaii if they're going to have any connection to games set in France? What seems to have happened was that GF was planning a Z or X2Y2 at one point, but then scrapped it at the last minute for Sun/Moon and Gen 7. This would explain why XY have so many loose ends (including an obvious third Mascot Legendary without either a backstory or a game), as well as why there was no new game released in 2015. |
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Game Freak never officially stated on what Zygarde's fate was, but I presume that they had been planning to make Sun & Moon for the entirety of the period that 6th Gen was out, and if that were the case it means GF have really been spending a lot of time because they wanted 7th Gen to look so beautiful, especially now that everything is full-3D and overworld people are now full-sized. |
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