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DarkestMidnight May 26th, 2016 5:35 PM

Janky OU
 
Hey everyone, Midnight here! Today I was bored so I decided to make a really weird OU team using Pokemon that I almost never use. Give me some credit, at least I tried.

Jirachi @ Focus Sash
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 128 Def / 252 SpA / 128 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flash Cannon
- Psychic
- Calm Mind
- Wish

Zygarde @ Lum Berry
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Substitute
- Dragon Dance

Charizard-Mega-Y @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Air Slash
- Will-O-Wisp
- Tailwind

Whimsicott @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 128 Def / 252 SpA / 128 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Cotton Guard
- Energy Ball
- Moonblast
- Taunt

Crawdaunt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Night Slash
- Knock Off
- Crabhammer
- Aqua Jet

Toxicroak @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Anticipation
EVs: 252 Atk / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Focus Blast
- Sludge Wave
- Nasty Plot
- Protect

PlatinumDude May 26th, 2016 6:05 PM

Jirachi's main niche is abusing Iron Head's increased flinch chance with Serene Grace.:
-Wish
-Protect
-Iron Head
-Toxic/Body Slam/Thunder Wave
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP/224 SDef/32 Spe
Item: Leftovers

Zygarde's main niche over Garchomp is its better bulk and Dragon Dance. But Dragonite still does Dragon Dancing better because of Multiscale:

Dragonite:
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Extreme Speed
-Earthquake
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale

Air Slash is useless on Charizard Y, as sun-boosted Fire Blast hits what Air Slash would hit harder:
-Fire Blast/Flamethrower
-Solar Beam
-Focus Blast
-Roost
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Charizardite Y

Charizard X is a better Will-o-Wisp abuser than its Y counterpart because of its better bulk:
-Flare Blitz
-Dragon Claw/Earthquake
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/100 Def/160 Spe
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze

Charizard is very vulnerable to Stealth Rock. Therefore, you need a Rapid Spin/Defog user on the team. Replace Crawdaunt with Latios. And speaking of Crawdaunt, Assault Vest can't save its terrible special bulk, as its base HP is also bad:

Latios:
-Draco Meteor
-Psyshock
-Earthquake/Thunderbolt/Hidden Power (Fire)/Roost
-Defog
Nature: Hasty/Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

You need an entry hazard setter on the team. Clefable would be an ideal pick to set up said hazard. It should go over Toxicroak. And speaking of Toxicroak, what's up with its moveset? Why Adamant when it's using Nasty Plot + special moves? Why Rocky Helmet + split EVs in defenses when they do nothing to compensate for Toxicroak's general frailty? And why is it not paired with Politoed?

Anyway, just replace Toxicroak with Clefable for Stealth Rock:
-Stealth Rock
-Moonblast
-Fire Blast/Thunder Wave
-Soft-Boiled
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP/172 Def/84 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard

As for a better Water Pokemon, Keldeo should be there, as it does better against offensive teams:
-Hydro Pump
-Secret Sword
-Scald
-Icy Wind/Hidden Power (Bug/Electric)
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

or
-Substitute/Rest
-Calm Mind/Sleep Talk
-Scald
-Secret Sword
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers

If you're insistent on Crawdaunt, though, it doesn't need Assault Vest for the reasons I stated. The only offensive moves it needs are Crabhammer, Knock Off, and Aqua Jet:
-Swords Dance
-Crabhammer
-Knock Off
-Aqua Jet
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash
Ability: Adaptability

DarkestMidnight May 26th, 2016 6:11 PM

Ha, I don't actually like these Pokemon, I just did this for fun. I didn't mean for this to be a legit team, but thanks for all that advice. That was really helpful! Oh about that Toxicroak, I think I originally was making a physical set, then I decided to use special attacks instead and I just forgot to change the nature to something else.

gimmepie May 27th, 2016 6:09 PM

I'd recommend using this set for Jirachi over Platinum's

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- U-turn
- Heart Stamp/Fire Punch
- Healing Wish

It loses the added bonus of T-Wave but your Clefable can carry that. In exchange for not being able to use its own T-Wave it gets access to better coverage and U-Turn to keep momentum.

Focus Blast on Zard Y is pretty redundant since Solar Beam hits all the same Fire-resisting types. I prefer to include Dragon Pulse instead for the inevitable [email protected] or Garchomp switch-in. I'd also recommend Flamethrower over Fire Blast. Off of Zard-Y's enormous Sp. Attack with a 50% boost from Drought there's really no need to sacrifice accuracy for a little extra power.

PlatinumDude May 27th, 2016 7:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9260017)
I'd recommend using this set for Jirachi over Platinum's

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- U-turn
- Heart Stamp/Fire Punch
- Healing Wish

It loses the added bonus of T-Wave but your Clefable can carry that. In exchange for not being able to use its own T-Wave it gets access to better coverage and U-Turn to keep momentum.

Focus Blast on Zard Y is pretty redundant since Solar Beam hits all the same Fire-resisting types. I prefer to include Dragon Pulse instead for the inevitable [email protected] or Garchomp switch-in. I'd also recommend Flamethrower over Fire Blast. Off of Zard-Y's enormous Sp. Attack with a 50% boost from Drought there's really no need to sacrifice accuracy for a little extra power.

Focus Blast is for Heatran and Tyranitar. The latter especially, as it can switch in to weaken Solar Beam and revert it to a 2-turn attack. I still prefer Fire Blast, since the extra power is welcomed. The rule of thumb here is use Flamethrower when running Modest and Fire Blast if you're running Timid.

Pepperton May 29th, 2016 1:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 9260097)
Focus Blast is for Heatran and Tyranitar. The latter especially, as it can switch in to weaken Solar Beam and revert it to a 2-turn attack. I still prefer Fire Blast, since the extra power is welcomed. The rule of thumb here is use Flamethrower when running Modest and Fire Blast if you're running Timid.

Just adding that I agree. Heatran and Tar are everywhere, answers to them are good to have. As well, since Y is more of a wallbreaker I think the extra power with Fire Blast is more valuable to the accuracy boost of Flamethrower. However, it wouldn't hurt to test Flamethrower and see how your team fares.

gimmepie May 29th, 2016 10:42 PM

His team already has answers to Dnite and TTar though. So I think really it's just a matter of preference. TTar is often scarfed, so it's not a good idea to leave something as fragile as Zard-Y in on the off chance you'll hit with Focus Miss on a TTar that you might not even be able to outspeed.

punkysaur May 29th, 2016 10:54 PM

I am surprised u havent used char-y before

PlatinumDude May 30th, 2016 7:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9262775)
His team already has answers to Dnite and TTar though. So I think really it's just a matter of preference. TTar is often scarfed, so it's not a good idea to leave something as fragile as Zard-Y in on the off chance you'll hit with Focus Miss on a TTar that you might not even be able to outspeed.

The key part here is to hit Tyranitar on the switch with Focus Blast. That's what predictions are for.


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