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Xertified June 2nd, 2016 5:36 AM

Lillie discussion
 
So in the new footage on Sun and Moon, there is a girl with yellow hair and dressed with white blouse.

Do you guys think Second Rival?

Do you think she will be relevant to the story?

Xander Olivieri June 2nd, 2016 5:47 AM

Seems we're getting a Barry/Dawn repeat. The girl doesn't like battling and so far we have no videos of her in battle. So it's hard to say if she'll be a rival as of yet. She is the professor's assistant and has a role to play with the story though.

Sabrewulf238 June 2nd, 2016 6:01 AM

It says she's doesn't like making Pokemon fight. So it seems unlikely we'll be battling her often enough for her to be a rival.

I'm disappointed they pretty much put a neon sign next to her saying "Important Character". Subtlety seems to be completely lost on them. Now everyone will think she's the champion or the evil team leader.

Personally I'm getting a vibe that she might be important to the legendaries somehow. Like only she can call upon them for whatever reason.

Hikamaru June 2nd, 2016 6:05 AM

Like the last few posts said, Lillie doesn't seem to like battling so I doubt she'll be a rival. I guess Hau will be the only rival in the game, and we haven't had just a single rival since B2/W2, but the fact that Hau uses the starter weak to ours shows he is different from the other standalone rivals like Blue and Silver who also take another starter and leave the third to just sit and rot at the lab for the rest of the game.

Pyrax June 2nd, 2016 6:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9267858)
leave the third to just sit and rot at the lab for the rest of the game.

I think the third will go to Lillie. Not liking battles doesn't mean she won't have a Pokémon of her own - maybe a bodyguard at Kukui's insistence.

Iceshadow3317 June 2nd, 2016 6:45 AM

I am doubting they will be going back to 1 rival. I mean I don't mind it, but it would be a bit annoying. I would prefer to have 2 rivals. I would also like the opposite gender to be one of the rivals.

As for Lillie, I think she might be able to speak to pokemon similar to N, but different.

She honestly reminds me of Bonnie in the face. And I really love her design. She might still be our rival and learn that sometimes you just have to battle. She looks really sad in the trailer, but also looks annoyed in her art. She could also be a lot like Wally.

She is there when we get our starter pokemon, so she could get the 3rd starter.

Alumens June 2nd, 2016 6:52 AM

Based on her design, I think she is not from Alola, she is a foreign helping the professor. Something tells me that this generation will have a more complex plot

MarinoKadame June 2nd, 2016 7:20 AM

It seems she's some Lady trainer class.

Esper June 2nd, 2016 7:56 AM

This Lillie character is probably not very important to the story, or at least not super important. Trailers like to focus on the things that will get attention rather than what is actually important in the context of the game. "Quick, show a mysterious looking blonde girl! That'll get 'em talking."

Iceshadow3317 June 2nd, 2016 8:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Esper (Post 9268105)
This Lillie character is probably not very important to the story, or at least not super important. Trailers like to focus on the things that will get attention rather than what is actually important in the context of the game. "Quick, show a mysterious looking blonde girl! That'll get 'em talking."

Actually the pokemon site says that she will have a big role in the games.

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Lillie
Lillie is a mysterious girl who assists the professor. This young girl is about the same age as your character, and she's working as Professor Kukui’s assistant for personal reasons. She's not fond of making Pokémon fight in battles, but she loves reading and has devoured many books. Lillie will play an important role in the story of Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon.

JP June 2nd, 2016 8:14 AM

I feel like she'll have a relation to the villains. Perhaps the daughter of their leader, whom does not want to battle and be "bad", so she joins up with the "good" guys and is interested in Pokemon research instead of battle?

That or maybe she's got some sort of relation to the Legendaries? If she's so important, it would make sense. Perhaps she'll be like their conduit for something.

Esper June 2nd, 2016 8:22 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9268132)
Actually the pokemon site says that she will have a big role in the games.

Well, they say that, yes, but nothing in the trailers themselves makes me think she's all that important. "Important role" is so vague that it doesn't really mean anything.

Iceshadow3317 June 2nd, 2016 8:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Esper (Post 9268166)
Well, they say that, yes, but nothing in the trailers themselves makes me think she's all that important. "Important role" is so vague that it doesn't really mean anything.

I understand what you are saying, but I have never known Pokemon to name a character and call them important and then they not be important at all. There was the friends in XY, but they were still rivals.

I could be wrong, but when Pokemon calls someone important, they are usually important.

She is the same age as the character, which leads me to believe that she will also be traveling around.

illumine June 2nd, 2016 8:39 AM

Generally, they recently released OR/AS, with May in it taking a similar role, and being quite central. While they may not be 'super important,' getting them involved cursorily might be complex if they don't train Pokémon, and hence are mostly a plot character. Nonetheless, it could be that they noticed a beach and just decided to add females of popular hair colours in for convenience and to do lip-service to the setting, but in general as the plot might involve this setting significantly they could fit in there as well. Given that they probably do pay some attention to the anime when it comes to plot, though, a blonde character by this point can hardly be counted out of being involved in the plot and everything else.

Iceshadow3317 June 2nd, 2016 9:44 AM

After watching the Japanese Trailer, the Rotom Dex shows that the character has seen all 3 starters in the first town. This leaves me to believe there will still be a 2nd rival which may be the female.

Hikamaru June 2nd, 2016 9:49 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9268338)
After watching the Japanese Trailer, the Rotom Dex shows that the character has seen all 3 starters in the first town. This leaves me to believe there will still be a 2nd rival which may be the female.

If Hau is one of the rivals, then that's leaving speculation for either Lillie or the opposite-gender protagonist for the other rival because I can't see anyone else pictured at the moment.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 2nd, 2016 9:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9268348)
If Hau is one of the rivals, then that's leaving speculation for either Lillie or the opposite-gender protagonist for the other rival because I can't see anyone else pictured at the moment.

I think Lillie has the starter that's strong against ours. Ironically she seems to dislike battles like N.

Kurosaki June 2nd, 2016 11:04 AM

I think she'll play an important role with the Professor and interacting with the main characters, but I don't think she'll be quite important enough to be a rival, especially if she doesn't like to battle. It would be neat for her to get used to it, and become a decent trainer by the end of the game, though!

Hikamaru June 2nd, 2016 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9268351)
I think Lillie has the starter that's strong against ours. Ironically she seems to dislike battles like N.

If this is to be implied, she may battle the protagonist but won't battle much so I could consider her the secondary rival while Hau is the main rival.

Mawa June 2nd, 2016 12:33 PM

I don't think she's a rival.
Maybe she's just important for the story, or she might be one of your friend, but not a rival?

Or maybe they already decided she's gonna be in the Anime, and that's why she's important (future Ash's companion?)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 2nd, 2016 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mawa (Post 9268609)
I don't think she's a rival.
Maybe she's just important for the story, or she might be one of your friend, but not a rival?

Or maybe they already decided she's gonna be in the Anime, and that's why she's important (future Ash's companion?)

They said (official site) she'll be important in Sun and Moon as in the games. So it's not related to the anime.

mikey June 2nd, 2016 6:32 PM

She certainly is interesting. I'm thinking she might be a part of the evil organization of this region. Maybe she is working close with the professor to find out secret info and reports back to someone? Team boss daughter in disguise?

I would love that lol. But I think the chances of something like this happening are low.

Desert Stream~ June 2nd, 2016 7:36 PM

I was going to put this in the rival speculation thread, but this thread popped up.

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9268220)
I also had to point this out:


Since the player's perspective means they've picked Rowlet, you may have noticed in these pics that Litten and Popplio show a darkened version of their models (artwork?). This shows that if you've seen a Pokemon that you haven't caught, its artwork is darkened while it changes to its usual lighting when you've registered the Pokemon as caught.

Rowlet, Litten and Popplio are also confirmed as #001, #004 and #007 in the Alola Dex respectively.

So in most pokemon games (R/B/Y, G/S/C, FR/LG, R/S/E HG/SS B2/W2) You only get to see your starter, and your rivals starter.

This could just be Nintendo showing off the pokedex, but since Litten/Popplio are both seen and not caught (I would assume they would both be caught if Nintendo was trying to show off the dex), I think we may have 2 rivals in this game.

Iceshadow3317 June 2nd, 2016 8:38 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9269103)
After giving this some thought, I realized something. Does "disliking Pokemon battles" 100% mean that she's not a trainer at all? She could dislike battling at first, and grow into it a bit later on, and actually be the character that's kind of tough to beat. My thing is, I really don't want to take whats said at face value too much; character development is still very much a thing in the games and we're not entirely sure if she's going to remain adverse to battling throughout the entire plot, or whether her dislike of battling is just a part of her personality and you help her get over that as her rival, etc.

tl;dr: she can very much be a rival character, just not your typical one.

Yeah I think people are taking it too direct. N hated battles, yet he still battled.

Lillie said that she wasn't good with battles where pokemon get hurt, but she would watch the hero and cheer for them.

My hopes is that she does get the 3rd starter and eventually learns that sometimes you just have to fight. I mean she is the same age as the hero, I don't see why she wouldn't battle sometimes. Maybe battle with the hero because she trusts them.

smocks June 3rd, 2016 1:25 PM

Lillie: Professor Kukui's Assistant
 
In the newest SM trailer, a girl named Lillie showed up and got a special introduction in the trailer. Why so? She's just the professor's assistant, it's not like all the other Professor's assistants got introduced to us. So let's speculate!
The official website states:
"Lillie is a mysterious girl who assists the professor. This young girl is about the same age as your character, and she's working as Professor Kukui’s assistant for personal reasons. She's not fond of making Pokémon fight in battles, but she loves reading and has devoured many books. Lillie will play an important role in the story of Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon."

At first, It popped into my mind the Lillie could be a potential rival, due to Mau (your rival) takes the starter weaker than yours rather than the traditional stronger starter, leaving Lillie receiving the stronger starter. But it clearly states that "She's not fond of making Pokémon fight in battles", so the option of her being your rival is highly unlikely.
But, in a way, she could still be your rival. How? She could be another Lisianna, being a Pokémon Contestant and being your rival in Contests or something similar since she just doesn't like "making Pokémon fight in battles", giving the assumption she likes Pokémon, she uses them in a different way, like Contests.
The last thought I have is that she could be working for the evil team in SM. As if she's a double-agent, getting info from Professor Kukui and passing it on to the leader of the Evil Team to help them reach their goal.
She could also be a big help in the mythology and background part in SM since she "loves reading and has devoured many books".

SO what you think of Lillie? Honestly I'm not getting a good vibe from her.. Please reply any suggestions or speculations down below! :D

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