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Nath74K June 13th, 2016 2:01 PM

E3 expectations?
 
So, the Nintendo live conference at E3 takes place tomorrow.
What do you expect from that when it comes to Pokemon? I think we'll most likely get Iwanko and Nekkoala's English names, see in-game footage of the new Zygarde's forms, and maybe a more detailed view of the starting town.

Nath74K June 13th, 2016 2:32 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9284426)
Definitely more gameplay videos, that's for sure! Other than that, I hope to see more new Pokemon, as well as some revelation as to what that bracelet on both the protag's wrist is and what the function of it is, etc.

I'd love to know what the bracelets are for, but I think we'll learn about it a bit later. We didn't learn about Mega-Evolutions that fast when they were promoting XY, so...

Hikamaru June 13th, 2016 3:03 PM

As mentioned, we didn't learn Mega Evolution until some time after E3 ended (I believe it was August 2013 when that was revealed), so I probably expect us learning our bracelets and their purpose around a few months later. Anyways, onto E3 and I believe we'll be getting gameplay shown and maybe a couple of new Pokemon since it was the case I recall for XY, with some new Pokemon (and Fairy-type) getting revealed around E3 time.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 13th, 2016 3:20 PM

I checked the Serebii archieve and it seems that E3 showed off Sky Battles as well as Hoard Battles.

Iceshadow3317 June 13th, 2016 3:24 PM

Not to mention multiple new pokemon. I doubt we will see the new feature or whatever the new bracelet does. We didn't learn about that August.

Hoard Battles, Sky Battles, Triple Battles, Rotation Battles, Megas in ORAS and New pokemon is what we have seen in the last 2 gens at E3.


I am kinda hoping for Water Battles. Similar to sky battles, but with water and water types, or any pokemon that can swim.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 13th, 2016 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9284482)
Not to mention multiple new pokemon. I doubt we will see the new feature or whatever the new bracelet does. We didn't learn about that August.

Hoard Battles, Sky Battles, Triple Battles, Rotation Battles, Megas in ORAS and New pokemon is what we have seen in the last 2 gens at E3.

Right. I feel like we won't get new Megas shown this time, they might hold off until August to show them off. Right now I see them focusing on new Pokemon.

I expect to get Quad Battles to follow the trend of Doubles in Gen III, and Triples in Gen V.

Iceshadow3317 June 13th, 2016 3:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9284497)
Right. I feel like we won't get new Megas shown this time, they might hold off until August to show them off. Right now I see them focusing on new Pokemon.

I expect to get Quad Battles to follow the trend of Doubles in Gen III, and Triples in Gen V.

I am not sure they will go to quad battles yet. We need bigger screens. But as I said in previous battle thread, really hoping for some type of water or fish battle.

Hikamaru June 13th, 2016 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9284482)
Not to mention multiple new pokemon. I doubt we will see the new feature or whatever the new bracelet does. We didn't learn about that August.

Hoard Battles, Sky Battles, Triple Battles, Rotation Battles, Megas in ORAS and New pokemon is what we have seen in the last 2 gens at E3.

I am kinda hoping for Water Battles. Similar to sky battles, but with water and water types, or any pokemon that can swim.

I think that going by what you said, we could be seeing a battle format get showcased as well as the obvious new Pokemon reveals. I didn't like Sky Battles so I can't see Underwater Battles happening unless if Dive were to return.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9284497)
Right. I feel like we won't get new Megas shown this time, they might hold off until August to show them off. Right now I see them focusing on new Pokemon.

I expect to get Quad Battles to follow the trend of Doubles in Gen III, and Triples in Gen V.

I don't really want Quad Battles. It'll cause huge lag if Triple Battles already proved to cause framerate drops for 6th Gen.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 13th, 2016 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9284508)
I think that going by what you said, we could be seeing a battle format get showcased as well as the obvious new Pokemon reveals. I didn't like Sky Battles so I can't see Underwater Battles happening unless if Dive were to return.



I don't really want Quad Battles. It'll cause huge lag if Triple Battles already proved to cause framerate drops for 6th Gen.

Well hopefully SM will handle Triples and Hoard Battles better. Perhaps they'll improve it enough to handle Quad battles.

Drake22ice June 13th, 2016 3:58 PM

Eeveelution

Hawaiian culture influence

Rotomdex being used with that bird Pokemon to talk to it

Why vehicles are detailed and focus in initial announcement

Soar and Dive capabilities

blue June 13th, 2016 5:32 PM

If its the first gameplay footage then I can imagine them to show the first areas with a couple of battles perhaps with the rival. I wouldn't be surprised if they also shown a couple of new early Pokemon including that Bird Pokemon that was seen in the very first trailer.

Hikamaru June 13th, 2016 11:01 PM

7 hours until the livestream now... and we'll check back here and see which of our predictions were right.

Beautifully_Twisted June 14th, 2016 1:44 AM

oh

Pokemon_Hero June 14th, 2016 5:22 AM

My guess:

We will not get new pokemon. We will get a video that shows the region, 1 or 2 gym leaders, a few cities, and Mega Greninja for the end.

Nath74K June 14th, 2016 6:36 AM

I just thought: they might reveal the bird pokemon we had seen in the very first trailer? So we could have something more than what was revealed on the Corocoro?

Iceshadow3317 June 14th, 2016 6:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokemon_Hero (Post 9285221)
My guess:

We will not get new pokemon. We will get a video that shows the region, 1 or 2 gym leaders, a few cities, and Mega Greninja for the end.

That would be extremely underwhelming and an extreme disappointment. They usually only reveal gym leaders in Corocoro. And I don't think there would be a point in showing Mega Greninja and only it. We already know it is there and the revealed Zygarde forms at a tournament. Not really an announcement. No new pokemon will possibly make a lot of people mad.

E3 is a huge event, having such little info would be the wrong thing to do. Especially with how much it costs to travel there and what not. There would literally be little point for Pokemon to even be at E3 for Sun and Moon.

As for what I want to see is this:

4 to 6 new pokemon not including ones we know.
New battle, when I am hoping for a water themed battle.
A few new looks at towns.
Maybe 2 or 3 new Megas. Possibly ones we may see in the anime soon that we have yet to see.
Confirmation of a 2nd Rival or if Lillie gets the 3rd starter.

Adamant Linoone June 14th, 2016 7:08 AM

Just a little under an hour to go now!

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 7:23 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9285331)
As for what I want to see is this:

4 to 6 new pokemon not including ones we know.
New battle, when I am hoping for a water themed battle.
A few new looks at towns.
Maybe 2 or 3 new Megas. Possibly ones we may see in the anime soon that we have yet to see.
Confirmation of a 2nd Rival or if Lillie gets the 3rd starter.

This is mainly what I hope to see, given how XY had some new Pokemon revealed at E3 I have a feeling that new Pokemon reveals will be the most likely, and maybe an overview of the starting town and some early game stuff. Also, I hope the last one can be debunked at some point because it's been heavily debated for a few weeks now.

blue June 14th, 2016 7:28 AM

I guess it just depends on how long the actual segment runs for. If they show us 5-10 minutes of footage then we could certainly see quite a lot of information, at least from the start of the game. Ideally I'd like to see one of the Gym Leaders too, again though idk whether they would showcase that just yet?

Nas160 June 14th, 2016 7:37 AM

It's Nintendo Treehouse, they're just going to show off some gameplay, right? Either way, it's the first official live gameplay we'll see, so we're bound to see and learn more new things, I'm excited! Not sure what at all to expect, but here's hoping there's a lot of good stuff!

I'm hoping to hear more in-game music for the first time, learning about more new and old Pokémon that will appear in the game, and possibly learn about new characters like the Alola Gym Leaders.

Beautifully_Twisted June 14th, 2016 8:07 AM

Wasn't it already supposed to start?

chacha77 June 14th, 2016 8:13 AM

sigh so far they showed the trailer we have already seen and now just asking dumb questions we already know the answers too...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 8:17 AM

Huh, so Masuda isn't the Director this time. Also it's confirmed that Alola's isolated from the other regions.

James169 June 14th, 2016 8:22 AM

Past gen Pokemon around from the start.

I like the new battle screen layout, and being able to access move info easily.

MarinoKadame June 14th, 2016 8:23 AM

Well Ledyba confirmed.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 8:24 AM

I love the music. It reminds me of the Emerald Battle Frontier music...

sinancr June 14th, 2016 8:26 AM

REALLY looking awesome so far!!

But I'm afraid that the Pokémon models aren't improved, compared to the current gen. Some people talked about possible enhancement on the Pokémon models itself.

blue June 14th, 2016 8:26 AM

I like how the move list can tell you if the move will be effective, super effective, or not effective on the opponent Pokémon. This will help me out against Fairy-types for sure.

chacha77 June 14th, 2016 8:27 AM

omg can this guy click BUTTONS ALREADY :@ lol

James169 June 14th, 2016 8:28 AM

New Pokemon, Yungoos

They blocked the screen when it would have been the pokedex entry :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 8:28 AM

New Pokémon! Yungoos.So the Kanto early bug and the Johto early bug confirmed. Might we see the others?

MarinoKadame June 14th, 2016 8:32 AM

Really like the new Lass and the transition of the 3D model to the 2D picture of usual trainer.

James169 June 14th, 2016 8:32 AM

I want to see a wailmer next to a joltick with these proportions

deathpool June 14th, 2016 8:33 AM

Yungoos! So it seems Iwanko isn't the starting rodent?

Kurosaki June 14th, 2016 8:33 AM

I was SO HYPE

but it looks like all I missed was one new Pokemon..

Maybe the Pokemon GO info will be more generous with new info.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 8:34 AM

I like the models, and that they still have 2D art work for the NPC battlers too.

It was a Woodpecker!

James169 June 14th, 2016 8:35 AM

Pikipek, woodpecker pokemon

2 evolutions, or paired pokemon

MarinoKadame June 14th, 2016 8:35 AM

Pikipek woodpecker pokemon.

deathpool June 14th, 2016 8:36 AM

Loving the new battle interface! The overworld is so amazing! the character moves so nicely! There's an in-battle interface that allows you to see stat changes from moves like Growl or Swords Dance.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 8:36 AM

Pekipek to me looks like a fusion of Fletching and Starly.

blue June 14th, 2016 8:36 AM

Looks like the new Bird Pokemon could have two evolutions going by the Pokedex entry screen?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 8:37 AM

Finally Hala. He's a trainer.

James169 June 14th, 2016 8:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue (Post 9285471)
Looks like the new Bird Pokemon could have two evolutions going by the Pokedex entry screen?

They also said or paired Pokemon, so I'm wondering if Zangoose would show a white pokeball if you haven't caught/seen seviper

Kurosaki June 14th, 2016 8:39 AM

OHMYGOd i take back my last post, the bird is pretty cute. Yet another early-on flying team that will stay on my team 5ever.

James169 June 14th, 2016 8:40 AM

Wonder what the Tapu Koko is

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 8:41 AM

Tape-koko? Could it be the legendary reflected by the Souvenir in XY?

Deníz June 14th, 2016 8:42 AM

latest news on this topic (qoute from: serebii.net):
"Pokémon Sun & Moon - Nintendo Treehouse Live

Today is the first day of Nintendo Treehouse Live @ E3 2016 and starting it off is coverage of Pokémon Sun & Moon following a trailer for Zelda. This is to include the first live gameplay and will feature Junichi Masuda. This post will be updated with every new tidbit as we go and you can watch the stream here as standard.
Edit @ 17:09: The game is being directed by Shigeru Ohmori while Junichi Masuda is the overall producer
17:17: Part of the focus on the development of the starters was on their movement when in battle.
17:21: Ledyba can be found in Route 1 of the game. The move lists can bring up full details and tell you if the move will be effective, super effective, or not effective on the opponent Pokémon
17:26: You can now see how a stat has been altered via moves in battle
17:26: Ledyba is #020 in the Alola Region Pokédex and will show you the evolution chain or if it forms a pair
17:28: New Pokémon called Yungoos. It's always hungry and can be found in Route 1"


I posted in another topic on my thoughts about the thing with the focus on the starters movement in battle. (if youre intrested its the "Rowlet, Popplo.....all share a Secret..."-Thread)


Treehouse is about to start and i got my internet connection cutr to 56kb/s cuz my traffic is already empty -.- i hate it. please, could someone come over, bring some fast internet?

Kurosaki June 14th, 2016 8:44 AM

http://i.xomf.com/lcycy.png

I really love the detail to the backgrounds in this game. It's come such a long way. ;w;

deathpool June 14th, 2016 8:44 AM

Who's Tapu Koko or whatever? the deity of the island, and the protagonist has been "touched" buy it... I also saw something about praising Meemee?

MarinoKadame June 14th, 2016 8:44 AM

Is Tapu Koko the strange souvenir pokemon ?

James169 June 14th, 2016 8:45 AM

Battle Royal, 4 way battle?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 8:45 AM

I knew it, they have shown off new modes in the E3's for BW and XY.

deathpool June 14th, 2016 8:45 AM

loving Hau's battle theme?

MarinoKadame June 14th, 2016 8:45 AM

New Battle type named Battle Royale. + clothes customization confirmed.

deathpool June 14th, 2016 8:47 AM

Popplio learning Disarming voice? Fairy secondary type confirmed??

MarinoKadame June 14th, 2016 8:47 AM

Elio and Selene trainer names.

Kurosaki June 14th, 2016 8:47 AM

Battle Royale..... I'm so ready. *^*

Sun and Moon aren't disappointing, omg.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 8:48 AM

Ah, it's over now :(

At least we got 2 more new Pokémon.

MarinoKadame June 14th, 2016 8:50 AM

Elio named is based on Helios the personification of the Sun. And Selene is the moon obviously.

User Anon 1848 June 14th, 2016 8:50 AM

They're dumbing down the series too much. God forbid a newbie has to play the game for a bit before they work out which types are effective to which. This battle royal feature is a cool idea but ending it as soon as one trainer loses their Pokemon seems anticlimactic. The woman fielding the questions was talking as if she was being held at gunpoint and that guy playing the demo absolutely sucked. Lol at getting wiped out in a Pokemon demo.

It was cool to see more of the region and some of the new Pokemon at least.

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 8:51 AM

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Originally Posted by deathpool (Post 9285493)
Popplio learning Disarming voice? Fairy secondary type confirmed??

Well I guess that means the Water/Fairy Popplio evo speculation is fired up again, but it's an interesting move I didn't expect for it.

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 9285494)
Elio and Selene trainer names.

Selene sounds like a disappointing name for the female trainer, especially because we just had Serena last gen. Elio seems like it comes from Helios, the god of the sun.

James169 June 14th, 2016 8:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackSwordsman93 (Post 9285500)
They're dumbing down the series too much. God forbid a newbie has to play the game for a bit before they work out which types are effective to which. This battle royal feature is a cool idea but ending it as soon as one trainer loses their Pokemon seems anticlimactic. The woman fielding the questions was talking as if she was being held at gunpoint and that guy playing the demo absolutely sucked. Lol at getting wiped out in a Pokemon demo.

It was cool to see more of the region and some of the new Pokemon at least.

With 18 types and over 150 type combinations I disagree, I can remember effectiveness against most single types off the top of my head, but when facing a dual type it's not easy to remember at all, it's a quality of life improvement

mew_nani June 14th, 2016 8:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9285501)
Selene sounds like a disappointing name for the female trainer, especially because we just had Serena last gen. Elio seems like it comes from Helios, the god of the sun.

Selene is the moon goddess if I'm not mistaken, so the naming convention makes sense.

As for the stuff they added, it all seems very neat. I'm not entirely sure where the flak for how effective move types are being listed with the move is coming from given it's relatively unobtrusive and it's something most newbies would figure out fairly fast anyway and would probably ignore if they weren't paying attention. The cell shading looks loads better than X/Y/ORAS, and I really like how detailed everything looks. The protagonist being touched by their patron deity seems very interesting though. Could our box legendaries actually be considered gods in this storyline? Or could there be other legendary Pokemon in the game that are actively being worshiped by the citizens of Alola? It's certainly intriguing.

baceevee June 14th, 2016 9:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackSwordsman93 (Post 9285500)
They're dumbing down the series too much. God forbid a newbie has to play the game for a bit before they work out which types are effective to which. This battle royal feature is a cool idea but ending it as soon as one trainer loses their Pokemon seems anticlimactic. The woman fielding the questions was talking as if she was being held at gunpoint and that guy playing the demo absolutely sucked. Lol at getting wiped out in a Pokemon demo.

It was cool to see more of the region and some of the new Pokemon at least.


I have to agree. After seeing that live stream, I am really hoping for a difficulty setting now more than ever. It's just becoming a very hold-your-hand kind of game. I understand the reasoning behind it, because they are trying to appeal to a wider, and possibly even younger than before, audience. But I have to admit that it's kind of annoying to fans who have played the games before, and want some sort of a challenge. I mean, I liked having to memorize type effectiveness and things of that nature. But again, they are trying to appeal to the masses. It does make it a heck of a lot easier for anyone who has never played Pokemon, so I have to give them credit although I might not like some of the changes. I loved the fact that they showcased the region, and seeing new Pokemon was great, as you said. Just really hoping that we get a difficulty setting.

User Anon 1848 June 14th, 2016 9:01 AM

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Originally Posted by James169 (Post 9285507)
With 18 types and over 150 type combinations I disagree, I can remember effectiveness against most single types off the top of my head, but when facing a dual type it's not easy to remember at all, it's a quality of life improvement

Nobody is going to be familiar with every Pokemon's typing at all times but that's part of the game. Everyone has those lapses where they wrongly assume a Pokemon's typing in battle. That rightfully leaves an opportunity for the opponent to capitalise on your mistake. I just see this as adding unnecessary padding to an already simplified series.

blue June 14th, 2016 9:01 AM

The Official Pokemon website has updated with the new Bug-type Pokemon, Grubbin. Don't think this Pokemon was shown in the segment for E3 but it looks like it could be the new early Bug-type!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 9:06 AM

Wow, more new Pokémon? I better check them out after I take a break from watching Zelda.

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 9:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mew_nani (Post 9285523)
Selene is the moon goddess if I'm not mistaken, so the naming convention makes sense.

As for the stuff they added, it all seems very neat. I'm not entirely sure where the flak for how effective move types are being listed with the move is coming from given it's relatively unobtrusive and it's something most newbies would figure out fairly fast anyway and would probably ignore if they weren't paying attention. The cell shading looks loads better than X/Y/ORAS, and I really like how detailed everything looks. The protagonist being touched by their patron deity seems very interesting though. Could our box legendaries actually be considered gods in this storyline? Or could there be other legendary Pokemon in the game that are actively being worshiped by the citizens of Alola? It's certainly intriguing.

The protagonists are named after gods, and like you said maybe Solgaleo and Lunala are the gods of Alola? That must be a sign that the legendary eventually recognizes the protagonist as the trainer that's most worthy of its power.

James169 June 14th, 2016 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackSwordsman93 (Post 9285526)
Nobody is going to be familiar with every Pokemon's typing at all times but that's part of the game. Everyone has those lapses where they wrongly assume a Pokemon's typing in battle. That rightfully leaves an opportunity for the opponent to capitalise on your mistake. I just see this as adding unnecessary padding to an already simplified series.

I don't remember ever facing someone in an online battle who had a lapse. Probably because they can access the information within seconds on this 'internet' thing.

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue (Post 9285527)
The Official Pokemon website has updated with the new Bug-type Pokemon, Grubbin. Don't think this Pokemon was shown in the segment for E3 but it looks like it could be the new early Bug-type!

Grubbin looks like a cute little fella! Pure Bug-type with Swarm is a disappointment when you consider how many early Bug-types are like that.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 9:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9285555)
Grubbin looks like a cute little fella! Pure Bug-type with Swarm is a disappointment when you consider how many early Bug-types are like that.

It was to be expected. The early bugs are usually either pure Bug or Bug/Poison. The Pure bugs evolve into Bug/Flying most of the time. Unova thus has the most unique early bug.

deathpool June 14th, 2016 9:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9285555)
Grubbin looks like a cute little fella! Pure Bug-type with Swarm is a disappointment when you consider how many early Bug-types are like that.

i'm guessing it'll become bug/electric based off the dex description.

"Grubbin relies on its sturdy jaw as a weapon in battle and as a tool for burrowing through the earth. Grubbin loves electricity, which is why it can be found near power plants and substations. By wrapping tree branches in the sticky threads that it spews from its mouth, Grubbin can swing around like an actor on suspension wires!"

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 9:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9285562)
It was to be expected. The early bugs are usually either pure Bug or Bug/Poison. The Pure bugs evolve into Bug/Flying most of the time. Unova thus has the most unique early bug.

It's a predictable pattern, but then again I remember Scatterbug didn't have Swarm, and while Venipede and Sewaddle did have Swarm they were found only after 2nd Gym so that changed up the early Bug-type formula a bit.

User Anon 1848 June 14th, 2016 9:21 AM

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Originally Posted by James169 (Post 9285553)
I don't remember ever facing someone in an online battle who had a lapse. Probably because they can access the information within seconds on this 'internet' thing.

Well if it's that simple to figure out typing then there's even less reason for this feature. Seriously though I was referring to a situation where someone was already sure that they knew of a Pokemon's typing and already made their move despite having the wrong idea. There have been Pokemon I've encountered many times yet I've occasionally forgot their typing and chose to use an ill-advised move against it as a consequence. It doesn't happen often to me but I assume this happens to everyone or at least most players at some point whether it be in-game or online.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 9:21 AM

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Originally Posted by deathpool (Post 9285569)
i'm guessing it'll become bug/electric based off the dex description.

"Grubbin relies on its sturdy jaw as a weapon in battle and as a tool for burrowing through the earth. Grubbin loves electricity, which is why it can be found near power plants and substations. By wrapping tree branches in the sticky threads that it spews from its mouth, Grubbin can swing around like an actor on suspension wires!"

An Electric type huh? I wonder if it'll evolve into a Bug/Electric Fly or Beatle.

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 9:22 AM

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Originally Posted by deathpool (Post 9285569)
i'm guessing it'll become bug/electric based off the dex description.

"Grubbin relies on its sturdy jaw as a weapon in battle and as a tool for burrowing through the earth. Grubbin loves electricity, which is why it can be found near power plants and substations. By wrapping tree branches in the sticky threads that it spews from its mouth, Grubbin can swing around like an actor on suspension wires!"

I know we have a Bug/Electric in Joltik line but interesting you pick up on that. I might have to dig deep and see what species Grubbin might be based on, unless if the Daily team do the research first.

Iceshadow3317 June 14th, 2016 9:25 AM

Here we go.... people bellyaching about the games becoming too simple. Can we please just get over that? Enjoy the new pokemon. Enjoy the new Region. Enjoy the Graphics. Enjoy the storyline. People complain in EVERY SINGLE GAME I play because they are making things simpler and I really hate the argument that people have to do homework or study something to enjoy a game. It takes the fun out of things.

Does everything have to be over complicated? For the most part. I never have problems choosing the wrong move, because for the most part I remember them all. I have trouble remembering that Dark is Immune to Psychic sometimes, but that's about it. I did have problems with Fairy when it first come out, but I have a better understanding of it now.

Beautifully_Twisted June 14th, 2016 9:27 AM

Why isn't anyone talking about how Popplio can learn a fairy type move? Doesn't that kind of prove it's final evolution will be part fairy?

James169 June 14th, 2016 9:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackSwordsman93 (Post 9285581)
Well if it's that simple to figure out typing then there's even less reason for this feature. Seriously though I was referring to a situation where someone was already sure that they knew of a Pokemon's typing and already made their move despite having the wrong idea. There have been Pokemon I've encountered many times yet I've occasionally forgot their typing and chose to use an ill-advised move against it as a consequence. It doesn't happen often to me but I assume this happens to everyone or at least most players at some point whether it be in-game or online.

Really? Making things less of a hassle is a bad thing? You must hate vehicles, wheels on suitcases, tin openers, just anything that isn't a pain in the arse.

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 9:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Beautifully_Twisted (Post 9285599)
Why isn't anyone talking about how Popplio can learn a fairy type move? Doesn't that kind of prove it's final evolution will be part fairy?

Yeah, Disarming Voice.

A move I didn't expect, but with the Water/Fairy speculation for its final evo it does seem to make sense now. Maybe there's a chance it could learn another Fairy move later, such as Play Rough.

blue June 14th, 2016 9:33 AM

I wouldn't necessarily take Popplio learning a Fairy-type move as conclusive evidence that it will eventually become Water/Fairy-type. Plenty of Pokemon (including starters) learn different types of moves in their early stages that aren't relative to their typing, Chespin can learn Rollout which is a Rock-type move for example. Disarming Voice is a move that can be learnt by several non Fairy-type Pokemon, so it can't really be proven just yet.

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 9:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue (Post 9285616)
I wouldn't necessarily take Popplio learning a Fairy-type move as conclusive evidence that it will eventually become Water/Fairy-type. Plenty of Pokemon (including starters) learn different types of moves in their early stages that aren't relative to their typing, Chespin can learn Rollout which is a Rock-type move for example. Also, Disarming Voice is a move that can be learnt by several non Fairy-type Pokemon which wouldn't really confirm much either.

I recall the Grass/Rock speculation for Chespin, and while this reveal of Disarming Voice has fueled the Water/Fairy Popplio theory up again I'm still believing it'll end up with something different.

User Anon 1848 June 14th, 2016 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by James169 (Post 9285602)
Really? Making things less of a hassle is a bad thing? You must hate vehicles, wheels on suitcases, tin openers, just anything that isn't a pain in the arse.

When things are TOO easy it becomes a bad thing for those who actually care about the difficulty in their games since some people do appreciate at least somewhat of a challenge when they play. If part of that challenge is trying to keep tabs on the typing of Pokemon then so be it. I'm not sure if this is as bad as the boosted exp share from 6th gen but it's still another step in making things too easy if you ask me. Those are poor examples since unlike video games people don't generally look to challenge themselves irl when it comes getting from point a to point b, moving their luggage around or opening cans lol.

Maybe I'll start warming up to the idea as the generations keep adding more Pokemon but right now I still think it's unnecessary.

James169 June 14th, 2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackSwordsman93 (Post 9285670)
When things are TOO easy it becomes a bad thing for those who actually care about the difficulty in their games since some people do appreciate at least somewhat of a challenge when they play. If part of that challenge is trying to keep tabs on the typing of Pokemon then so be it. I'm not sure if this is as bad as the boosted exp share from 6th gen but it's still another step in making things too easy if you ask me. Those are poor examples since unlike video games people don't generally look to challenge themselves irl when it comes getting from point a to point b, moving their luggage around or opening cans lol.

Maybe I'll start warming up to the idea as the generations keep adding more Pokemon but right now I still think it's unnecessary.

All they are doing is saving people time and effort.
If you don't like it you don't have to use it, it's not forced on you at all.

Part of the perceived lack of difficulty in the games is because you aren't a young child any more, the game will NEVER have the same feel of difficulty as it did the first time you played because you now know all the mechanics and are older, cleverer, etc.

Nath74K June 14th, 2016 10:21 AM

Being really bad at strategy, I'm actually quite happy that there is this effectiveness-thing during the battles. I've been playing Pokémon for 20 years, and I've never been able to memorise the types tables. Maybe we'll be able to disable this feature, who knows? But still I'm quite happy that they added that.

But other than that, I'm really hyped for the game in itself! The region looks nice, the new Pokémons look great (yup, even Yungoos), and I can't wait to learn more! But I wish we had learnt the US names for Iwanko and Nekkoala..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nath74K (Post 9285701)
Being really bad at strategy, I'm actually quite happy that there is this effectiveness-thing during the battles. I've been playing Pokémon for 20 years, and I've never been able to memorise the types tables. Maybe we'll be able to disable this feature, who knows? But still I'm quite happy that they added that.

But other than that, I'm really hyped for the game in itself! The region looks nice, the new Pokémons look great (yup, even Yungoos), and I can't wait to learn more! But I wish we had learnt the US names for Iwanko and Nekkoala..

I'm surprised that they have yet to officially reveal those two on the official site. Maybe we'll see them later today, or tomorrow.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 10:51 AM

So Eevee was in the newest trailer. In all regions where Eevee is in the dex except for the Neo Unova dex, Eevee has gotten a new eeveelution. Chances are that the appearance of Eevee in Alola could be hinting at another eeveelution.

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9285732)
Though I have to admit, it would certainly be a pleasing turn of events to have the first Fairy-type starter, if anything!

It would be awesome indeed, especially because of that recent fake starter final evos leak that had a mermaid-like design for Popplio and I wouldn't mind if it turned out as something similar to that. To me, a mermaid would definitely suggest a Fairy-type since it's a mythical being and all.

Hikamaru June 14th, 2016 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9285752)
If it's true that Eevee is getting a new evolution, I wonder what type they would be going for next? oO

If you look at all the Eeveelutions so far, they were all based on types classed as special in Gens 1-3 (even if Fairy existed back then it would have likely been special) and the only type remaining of those with no Eeveelution is Dragon so that's why many have been speculating Dragon.

But then, there's the chance we could just have Eevee and its line in the Dex for aesthetic reasons and we may not get a new Eeveelution as a result.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 14th, 2016 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9285752)
If it's true that Eevee is getting a new evolution, I wonder what type they would be going for next? oO

I'm hoping for Dragon so it could form a pair with Sylveon if we get only one eeveelution again. Fairy defeats Dragon just like Electric defeats Water which defeats Fire, Dark defeats Psychic, and Ice defeats Grass. Plus Dragon is our only former special type without an eeveelution.

Nath74K June 14th, 2016 11:04 AM

I would to have a Dragon Eeveelution, but what I would like the most would be a normal type eeveelution!

Benermerut June 14th, 2016 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9285752)
If it's true that Eevee is getting a new evolution, I wonder what type they would be going for next? oO

Because Eevee's only appearance was to get KO'd, my first thought was that a Ghost type Eeveelution could be coming.
But it was probably just to show off Magearna's ability.

Sabrewulf238 June 14th, 2016 1:39 PM

Is there more Sun & Moon info coming tomorrow and Thursday? Or was today everything?

bezzaton June 14th, 2016 2:03 PM

It will be interesting to see what they announce tomorrow at the Pokemon GO one!

User Anon 1848 June 14th, 2016 6:14 PM

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Originally Posted by James169 (Post 9285686)
All they are doing is saving people time and effort.
If you don't like it you don't have to use it, it's not forced on you at all.

Part of the perceived lack of difficulty in the games is because you aren't a young child any more, the game will NEVER have the same feel of difficulty as it did the first time you played because you now know all the mechanics and are older, cleverer, etc.

Unlike the boosted exp share this typing feature IS forced upon you since it states which moves are super effective when selecting your move and even with the exp share turned off the experience you get in battle has been increased from earlier gens. Hell you get exp just from catching a Pokemon now.

Of course older and more experienced players will feel more adept but there was still an undeniable drop off in difficulty for the 6th gen games. I don't know how you can deny this between being gifted Megas like Lucario and stones for your starter when you only have to face a handful of trainers in-game who have a mega themselves (not complaining about megas just the lack of opposition who use them), X&Y's Elite Four having less than 6 Pokemon for their team, getting one of the Lati twins in ORAS without having to catch it and all before you even get your fourth badge ect. Inb4 you just suggest not using those Pokemon. Doesn't change the fact that they're lowering the difficulty and holding your hand through these games more than ever these days.

Part of the reason the difficulty has decreased is because gamefreak are targeting a younger and more casual audience with their newer games. It's why they didn't include a battle frontier for the Hoenn remakes. In an interview about ORAS Junicha Masuda said this.

Q:Why wasn't the Battle Frontier in the remakes?

A:This question is connected with my previous answer. We didn't put the BF in ORAS for this very reason. Interviewer's note: In short he means that they didn't include the BF because only a very small part of the players would have fully appreciated and made use of this feature; nowadays players get bored and frustrated more easily and they aren't interested in things that are so demanding/challenging.

Iceshadow3317 June 14th, 2016 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238 (Post 9286011)
Is there more Sun & Moon info coming tomorrow and Thursday? Or was today everything?

We might get more info tomorrow. And that might is a very big might. Tomorrow is supposed to be Pokemon Go and Zelda, but they could slip in another trailer or reveal more info.

baceevee June 14th, 2016 7:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9285591)
Here we go.... people bellyaching about the games becoming too simple. Can we please just get over that? Enjoy the new pokemon. Enjoy the new Region. Enjoy the Graphics. Enjoy the storyline. People complain in EVERY SINGLE GAME I play because they are making things simpler and I really hate the argument that people have to do homework or study something to enjoy a game. It takes the fun out of things.

Does everything have to be over complicated? For the most part. I never have problems choosing the wrong move, because for the most part I remember them all. I have trouble remembering that Dark is Immune to Psychic sometimes, but that's about it. I did have problems with Fairy when it first come out, but I have a better understanding of it now.

Unfortunately, it is inevitable that people complain about the games becoming too simple, because they are getting simpler and easier. It is very possible to enjoy the new Pokemon, the new region, graphics and storyline, and still have gripes about the simplicity and/or difficulty.

I don't think it's about everything needing to be over complicated, but it is somewhat annoying to fans who actually want some sort a challenge, you know? I will say that people who have an issue with some of the new simplified mechanics (myself included) do have to remember the fact that the developers are trying to appeal to wider demographics and bigger audiences now more than ever. And because of that, mechanics and technicalities are going to become more and more simple. They want to make it so anyone could pick up Sun and Moon as their first Pokemon game and understand what they are doing pretty quickly.


That being said, I still hope this is a feature we can choose to disable or enable after the tutorial portion of the game is over. Convenience features such as this should be used at the player's discretion.

baceevee June 14th, 2016 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9286364)
We might get more info tomorrow. And that might is a very big might. Tomorrow is supposed to be Pokemon Go and Zelda, but they could slip in another trailer or reveal more info.

Any thoughts/ideas of what that info might be, if we get said info? I've been surprised by the amount of information we've been given thus far through the streams at E3. But very happy with it, nonetheless.

Iceshadow3317 June 14th, 2016 7:33 PM

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Originally Posted by baceevee (Post 9286392)
Any thoughts/ideas of what that info might be, if we get said info? I've been surprised by the amount of information we've been given thus far through the streams at E3. But very happy with it, nonetheless.

If we get anything. Maybe another Pokemon trailer. That is, at most, what I can see us possibly getting. It could give the English names for the dog and koala and possibly introduce 1 or 2 other pokemon. They have done this before, I think, but I am not 100% positive.

I was surprised that we got nothing that was revealed in Corocoro and that it was mainly all new info or a in depth look at what we already knew.

Adamant Linoone June 14th, 2016 7:36 PM

How amazing was that earlier though? I'm slightly late to the parade, but honestly the hype bus is real. There was definitely an element of frustration when the first Pokémon encountered was a Ledyba. I was literally just expecting them to say, that's all we've got time for today! But it was good to see a few new Pokémon in the end. How is one supposed to wait until November?


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