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Sun & Moon - The End?
Got the inspiration to make this topic after watching this video from YouTubers Lockstin and Bird Keeper Toby, the latter who is known for his Pokemon theory videos. In this video they bring things up like the "it all comes together" slogan as well as Azoth, Tapu Koko, the alchemy theme of Sun & Moon, connections to previous generations and Zygarde's role in the games. So, what do you think about the theory that Sun & Moon could be a climactic end to the Pokemon series? Do you think Sun & Moon could be the last games or the next generation could be a reboot? |
They have crazy eyes haha :P I do think that the phrase "it all comes together" means more than what a lot of people have said with just looking at it with face value. I honestly can't remember BW or even XY getting as much hype and emphasis that SM has been getting. There's not a whole lot I can say, but there are indicators that these games are going to be story-driven and pretty legend/lore-heavy; both the official websites and the E3 presentation put out hints that there's a deep story in these games. The last time that's happened was the pre-release coverage for BW, and those games and their sequels have been the most story-driven main games thus far. So we could be looking at Gen 5 level storytelling or maybe even surpass Gen 5.
Aside from the theories, the thought of Gen 7 being the final one has actually crossed my mind. I doubt it though, because I would think Masuda and Ohmori would have said something or hinted at it during E3. I do believe Pokemon will come to an end eventually, most franchises do. If it ends after Gen 7, it may be picked up again a few or several years later, much like how Star Wars happened. I use Star Wars as an example because just like Pokemon, it's a worldwide phenomenon. Franchises that are a worldwide phenomenon don't go away that easily. |
Dang it, Hikamaru, you beat me to making this thread!
Remember how many fans thought Gen IV was going to be the end of Pokémon because of Arceus' existence? That should tell you why I disagree with this theory. |
I think there is always going to be the idea of "the end" with each new generation. I just can't see Nintendo pulling the plug on their second most popular franchise that attracts millions of fans and generates such a high percentage of revenue each year.
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I honestly doubt it, and I hope not. The thing is I don't think they would try so hard to get new players involved, and then just cut them off.
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Maybe they mean this is the end of the format we are used to and a change will happen in Gen 8 like how they are changing Zelda a lot with the new title. Whether or not Nintendo makes it move to NX or we get a new handheld chances are Gen 8 will be able to have a lot less limits. I can't see Nintendo making another SD system in handhelds so a HD handheld alone would be big for Pokemon to have the shackles broken for bigger stuff.
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If this was the first generation this theory had come up I'd actually bother making an argument.
I should get into the business of betting money with people on this topic. Easy money! :P |
If pokemon ceased to exist I would have nothing to live for. I hate to see threads like this.
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Gotta agree with Datte there (sorry man, you stay Datte to me). In gen 4 everyone was saying "but Arceus is the god of pokemon. You can't outdo that. So they won't be able to make legendaries that are above Arceus and therefore this is the last generation".
3 generations later and some people still think they will end Pokémon while it's one of Nintendo's biggest money springs. |
There's no reason to end the series, and I doubt "it all comes together" is meant to be taken literally. This isn't the end.
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I shared this video on a Pokémon group at Disquis, and almost everyone disagreed with Gnoggin's theory.
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No way Gamefreak or Nintendo will stop the series.
Two words for OP, clickbait. |
Pokémon will likely die in a slow death with several rebounds and down turns in between. Though I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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"Happy 20 years, here's to none more because we're gonna stop right here!"
Yeah, that sounds just as silly as I thought it would. |
I highly doubt because they are hyping it so much, mean the end. This is the 20th Ann. They have said that you can give your pokemon to grandchildren with pokemon bank and they literally just opened a few more pokemon stores.
Pokemon is still way to popular, especially with the failure of Yo-Kai Watch in the west. They don't plan to end pokemon any time soon. I just don't see it happening. If they stopped pokemon, that would hurt Nintendo badly as well. And although it all comes together I think may mean more than most people think, in no way at all does it point to the end of pokemon. |
I remember back in...gen 3 I think, I saw a theory that there could only be one more generation afterwards because of the pattern with the legendary trios (each gen's trio at that point being based off one of the four cardinal beasts from chinese myth, and since there were only four of those then there could only be four generations total), and even back then I was of the opinion that "Nintendo will still make Pokemon regardless, there's absolutely no way they would just end it like that."
I still hold to that opinion now, even if the theory is for a different reason this time around. As long as it's making them money, I can't see them just suddenly ending it. Even if they would have to take a different approach in stories to make it work, I really don't think they would just stop making the games. |
Like the others said, I can't see Pokemon games ending anytime soon regardless of whatever theories say but it is always interesting when they dig deep into stuff like that. Maybe it signifies something to do with Zygarde's role in the games or if Pokemon games may change up a lot in the future.
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I had read somewhere once that Game Freak was contracted to release 10 Generations of games but didn't say how long that would take. We're up to 7 generations in 20 years and hell it could take another 8-10 years for the next 3 generations.
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I don't think things are coming together. In fact, ORAS introduced the idea of multiple universes within the game canon. Honestly it really seems like the different regions, universes, etc. are moving further and further away from each other every generation. Recurring characters are being cycled in and out, Prof. Oak was in every generation from 1-4, Steven and Looker made cameos in every generation since they were introduced, who knows if a gen V or VI character will make a recurring appearance.....anyways, I think that GF has long since abandoned the idea of continuity outside of a few cameos and mentions here and there.
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I'm going to come out and say it, but I'm kinda baffled that people are looking at the "it all comes together" phrase like its nothing and that it should be ignored. I'm talking about in general, not about whether it means "the end" or not, which I don't think it does. But I do think that it means something more than just a few pass-and-go references to past games. They were in such a hurry to foreshadow these games in the early half of XY that it's not even funny.
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After watching some of the videos, they were talking about an Era of pokemon and not actually games, but honestly I still don't see it being an Era, for me, the first Era was Japanese based games and the second era was when they started with Unova and started going to other places. To me, that's an era. And it would make sense with Unova being a reboot.
Also they are making a live action pokemon movie, and although it will probably do pretty badly or get bad reviews, that, to me, proves that Sun and Moon is not the end. This includes Sony, Legendary Pictures and Warner Bros. were 3 of the main bidders for the rights of the movie. And some people think Sun and Moon is being Hyped a lot, but XY and BW were all hyped as well. Sun and Moon just seems more hyped because it is the 20th Ann and old life is returning to the pokemon world. |
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It seems that by 'Era' GF means generation. |
I don't see Sun and Moon being the end, unless they were the ultimate Pokémon games... By "ultimate Pokémon games", I mean, giving us what we've been wanting over the years.
I think "it all comes together" means that it will fill in the plot holes that were in X and Y and OR/AS. |
Every single gen we have this conversation and every gen it doesn't happen.
Why can't "it all comes together" just mean that all of the cool ideas and all of the progress made comes together in the best game yet? |
I honestly hope they end this with Sun and Moon as we already have enough Pokemon and we're pretty sick of this formula.
Pokemon doesn't even have to die. It could just get another story in future games, with no more pokemon introduced; instead they could introduce new features, better movepools and abilities and what not. They could start making games for the PC and Android/iOS/Windows Phone other than Pokemon Go so yeah. The Pokemon anime needs to end, the manga isn't popular, and overall it just isn't what it was back when everyone and their mother traded Pokemon cards like you wouldn't believe it. Yes, Pokemon needs a change. It doesn't need to die. |
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I disagree with this for a lot of reasons, mostly just opinion. 1. Pokemon shouldn't end, it is a great franchise, and I'm sure if they stopped making new pokemon, a lot of people will drop out. 2. I'd prefer they stay away from phone games, that is one of the reasons I'm not getting pokemon Go. Phone games can be fun and all, but in the end they are a lot more limited then cartridge games. A lot of phones have about 8-64 gigabytes. A decent 3ds game would take up a huge chunk of that space.. Small scale side games are fine, but moving to phones would be a bad idea IMO. 3. The pokemon anime is still extremely popular, you should see the activity on that forum. |
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Logstin has made two follow-up videos to accommodate with his "ultimate" Pokémon theory:
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Alright, so I'm in the part where he mentions scorpio. I had theorized the third legendary as a scorpion at one point, but what I really want to point out is... Scorpio is the Astrological symbol going on when Sun and Moon are out... Well I finished the original video. I can't believe that he missed that Platinum's alchemical symbol is a mix of the symbols of Gold and Silver, in other words it has the Sun and the Moon... Or how Diamonds are in-organic processes, while Pearls are formed through organic means. Or how Ruby can represent love (heart) and Sapphire can represent spirituality (soul), or even Rayquaza's connection to the sky... |
And just like that, the reveal of Tapu Koko's identity brings this "ultimate" Pokémon theory tumbling down, because the four guardians played a key role in his theory.
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Sun and Moon is the END
Ok. I need everyone to watch this video right now so we can have a discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrPKq4lk1NQ its long (45 mins) but i promise by the end your mind will be blow. What do you thing about this? do you agree or disagree? What would a reboot look like? Could it all really be this connected or is this guy literally just going crazy? |
There is already a thread about this and i quite literally think it is one of the dumbest videos seen.
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Nobody leaves money on the table. It just doesn't happen.
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Pokemon SM revealed Yungoos who're not native of Alola and brought in from another region to deal with another troublesome pokemon.
However , We haven't any region with Yungoos before which mean it came from a New region that haven't been reveal Which confirm Generation VIII. Which also prove that Pokemon Sun and Moon can not to be "The End" since there is another mysterious region where Yungooes came from. How did anyone miss that ??? |
While I believe that this theory is wrong, I don't think that saying Yungoos comes from a different region could mean anything. Game Freak is just saying that because that's what happened in Hawaii
Since Yungoos is the regional rodent, and, barring gen II, no regional rodent have been repeated, I find it unlikely that Yungoos will appear in another game. Although, with the recent amount of oldies that are available in new games, I find it plausible that he might get another appearance. |
The theory is interesting, but I seriously doubt Sun & Moon will be the end. Pokemon is a multi-billion dollar franchise and is extremely successful. Until the day Pokemon sells badly (which will never happen lol), I don't see it ending anytime soon.
Furthermore, as already stated but several people already, Yungoos' Pokedex entries talk about how it is not a Pokemon native to Alola and was brought there from another region to deal with the overpopulation of a another, more troublesome Pokemon. Notice how the region Yungoos is from is never mentioned by name, so it probably comes from a region we've never seen before (*hint Gen 8 hint*). |
I just want to ask, have you seen the prices of older Pokémon games? There is no way Pokémon is ending when the older games still sell for almost the same price from when they were brand new.
Buying Pokémon games is always a good investment, these aren't games like Madden or Call of Duty where value drops faster when you walk out of the store than driving a brand new car off the lot. Pokémon makes entirely too much money and the games lose hardly any value due to the connectivity. By restricting what you get in each game and releasing new games to get new stuff, the games should last forever. Remakes and new games will keep the franchise alive. |
I don't see it. We don't know the story of this region yet but Lunaala and Solgaleo seem like filler legends to me (in the sense that they're not extraordinarily important to the pokémon world, like BW's legendaries) and I just don't think they would end the series without a majorly impactful story including important legendaries. Of course you get into the issue of "what is there left after Sinnoh for important legends?" here, but I'm sure they could think of something more impactful than gen 7's cover legends (assuming I'm correct about them not being particularly noteworthy figures in the world).
This generation has been hyped but but it's not been hyped up to be a particularly important one, just a good one with lots of new stuff. "It all comes together" is surely indicative of something, but not anything like "the entire pokémon world ends with this region". I mean, if nothing else I think ending the games with a region based on Hawaii would just be kind of anti-climactic. This region is supposed to be fun and pretty, but it's not very deep. Last note, and probably the most important one: they've not told us that this is the last generation. I can't imagine they could ever end the series without using its end as a marketing ploy. That would just be so wasteful of them. |
I don't know think that having less powerful pokemon really debunks the threory.
I agree with the point about marketing, though. If this was the last pokemon game, they'd really hype it up and make a huge deal about it. They'd mention that it's the ultimate culmination to the series. They'd encourage people to get it, becuase it'd be the last pokemon game ever. But pokemon sells far too well, and is too much of a mascot for nintendo. Look at the other huge franchises in Nintendo. Are they dying? Are they ending? No, because they're huge money earners. If anything happened, it'd be pokemon being developed by someone other than Game Freak, because Nintendo wouldn't want to let the franchise go. |
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Xerneas and Yveltal could have been used as the final legends (life vs death essentially, can't get much better than that), but given these legends seem to represent... the sun and the moon, that's a bit tame. It's not quite as bad as the gen 5 legends not really representing much of anything, but it could be better. |
I dont think they will end this series in a long time. Maybe there will be break when creator will die but when law allows it there will be successor. Or maybe they will make break for like 5 years to keep people waiting for the new release. I wanna say pretty words about being loyal to the game, making everyone happy, improving your creativity but let's face it they are making a lot of money here. This game isn't very difficult to make comparing to for example Metal Gear or Uncharted. They don't need any special effects, voice actors, brilliant music. I think a lot of you guys could make and probably maybe even tried to make fanversion of this game. Also remember that there are people who also earn money not on the game but anime and pokemon movies. So i think we will see pokemon games still for a quite few years :)
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This is a crapshoot theory and everyone should feel bad for it.
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It was probably hasty for me to dismiss this set as filler legends but it is the vibe I instantly got from them and I remain somewhat sceptical of them having a particularly impactful story. Maybe the evil team will somehow use them to create a never-ending eclipse? That would certainly be more impactful than generation 5, but not as good as 6 or 4 I would say. |
Are they suggesting that there is a multi-million dollar franchise that Nintendo won't continue to milk more than the cow in the United States? POPPYCOCK!
Next will be...Pokemon Oxygen and Pokemon Carbon. |
I'm no good at guessing when it comes to things like this, but I think it would be a good move to make this game the end and then instead turn the focus to the quality of the entirety of new games and not new Pokemon. I for one would love to just have an awesome game with no new Pokemon.
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I would say no. At least, not in the way where they end the games. Depending on the success of Go, they could integrate few concepts into Generation 8, but more dependent on the region being used instead of having every region and more. Meaning,the world actually factors into the games ,adapting mainly the time of day, general climate, and weather. Maybe even solar and lunar cycles to add more of a flair. I don't think they'll change the battle or catching mechanics . Also, Gold and Silver were known as the last games, but were so popular that the franchise lasted almost a decade after their release. I feel that since X/Y correlated with Red/Blue, Sun and Moon's correlation to Gold and Silver will be more overt. For the first time, we're not only going to get a second [likely the last region] region, but it won't be like GSC. It'll be different. We're probably also going to get the Johto starters. I won't really try to guess anything else, but this is what I think might happen.
Lugia- Rowlet could be Ghost Ho-Oh- Popplio could be Psychic or Fairy. Celebi- Litten could be Dark. Maybe the final secondary types could be strong against this trio as the Kalos starters were based on their primary types, but less so. With how they got his new moves system in play... I really don't know. |
The games will be The End if they're just more of the same-old we've gotten with the other games, IMO. If the massive popularity of Pokémon Go is anything to go by, people want games that feel fresh and innovative, and I just haven't gotten any indication that Sun/Moon will do anything that past games haven't already done.
After 720 Pokémon and 6 regions, the novelty of traveling to a brand new region and catching brand new Pokémon wore off eons ago, especially when you keep on seeing the same tired old tropes and archetypes being repeated over and over. And, with these being 3DS games, Sun/Moon won't even be a significant graphical and mechanical upgrade from XY/ORAS. Why spend time and money on a tired rehash when you could instead get Pokémon Go for your phone and start catching Pokémon in the real world? Gen 6 already finished as the worst selling generation yet, and Sun/Moon have the potential to do even worse. If Gen 7 flops, GF is going to have to rethink their strategy with the main games. |
The popularity of Pokemon GO must go in favour of the franchise. Although it is for a different platform, it is just a prime example of how popular Pokemon still is. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if the popularity of GO attracted or influenced players to actually pick up a copy of Sun & Moon.
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Late to the party with this thread, and I only really skimmed it, but the consensus seems to be that capitalism says they're not going to cut this franchise off. If they stop making new games, it'll be when regions stop generating the kind of heavy revenue they are now. Games like Puyo Puyo (which are admittedly of a much different genre and come from another corporation entirely) have been around for longer, and still have an ever-expanding fanbase (worldwide releases like that of X and Y helped extend the hype, and, as with my previous example, the Puyo games are starting to gradually assimilate a following in the United States).
Personally, I think Nintendo is smarter than to beat a dead horse with this particular series. In all likelihood, if new regions cease production for a while, they'll probably just start re-releasing old consoles and remaking other generations; in fact, there's a "new" NES planned for sale, and they already circled around with ORAS. Who's to say they won't go bigger and better for Gen I, which remains untouched in remakes despite being arguably the most touted of the franchise? Don't tell me there aren't any Gen I stans on this thread. Even if you consume later games, nostalgia can be really insidious. EDIT: And, honestly... What company would end a franchise that just constituted one of the largest upward trending stock shifts in market history? GO added $9 billion to their corporate value in... what, two weeks? Even if they give up on handhelds, they'll just move on to the freemium and mobile markets like they're already experimenting with. |
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Regardless, I still think that The Pokemon Company will make money off of a 3DS Pokemon game, even if it might not be as popular as the first generation. I can't really see this as the end. Also, I haven't read the rest of this thread, but if it's about that video that's circling on Youtube, I think it's wrong as well. I believe the video talked a lot about "The Pokemon universe" and "the timeline and events" but honestly, when has Nintendo REALLY cared about keeping up with that? Not just with Pokemon, but like, at all? |
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Pokémon Go appeals to a wider, broader audience in a way that the main series games haven't in a very long time. It's a very simple "pick up and play" game in the same vein as the original RBY, and it lacks the overwhelming complexity of the more recent main series releases. It's GF's prerogative if they want to continue ignoring casual audiences in favor of hardcore players, but they shouldn't be surprised if sales continue declining. |
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There's also the huge focus on competitive players, as you said, and it's that competitive focus that has caused most of the postgame content as of late to be lacking. Doing the repetitive format that every main series title has done so far has seen tons of people leave the fandom and Pokemon has become a shell of its former self. GO was not just Pokemon's attempt to get into the mobile market, it was also an attempt to see Pokemon return to levels of popularity not seen since the PokeMania fad. What Sun & Moon have to get right when you put all these factors in is to change up the main series format drastically so that older players won't get bored, introduce new competitive mechanics and way to train for competitive, but also make sure the casual players don't get left out, and also have a fully-fleshed story since X/Y fell extremely flat with its story compared to most other main series titles. If 7th Gen bombs, then Game Freak need to learn from what made GO successful and take ideas from that when developing 8th Gen. |
Doubtful. As long as there is still money to be made, and people like the series, they will pump out games. Like others have said here, the recent success of Go is an indication of this.
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If only most of competitive players could stop calling hacked pokemons when they see more than 2 shiny pokemon. I think the huge cheat problem the competitive scene has is mostly because of the IV system. The IV system need a change same with the breeding. People are genning pokemon so they don't have to hatch thousands of eggs to get the one with the right IVs for competitive.
Also changing how the IV work may also change Hidden Power since it would make em able to add Fairy typing on it. |
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I don't think so. Nintendo doesn't have as much popularity as they did before, and so, ending one of their more popular franchises after S/M would be awful for them. I think we should expect more games to come after S/M.
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I don't think that S/M will be the last game for Pokémon series IMO
First and foremost, the target market of Pokémon are kids. Of course if there's any feature that an adult gamer doesn't like from Pokémon in his/her own perspective, it doesn't mean kids will do the same. Children and adults have different level of interest. I'm not saying that we don't matter, everyone's entitled to their own opinion but it's really up to the person with power to make decision to consider it. The second reason would be the number of species. You can't expect to selfishly satisfy yourself with 722 Pokémon to exist. Pokemon are fictional creatures which probably conceptualized using irl species and existence depending on different place. (And w/ Pokémon, space aliens as well). We have millions of different species existing in our planet. I'm not saying that Pokémon should have the same number of species before GF ends the game, it's in their own discretion how and when to end it, but if the concept is actually based from irl species, then there's a lot to expect from Pokémon game. And lastly, the story behind each region we explore for different generation and game version. IMO, this is the most important part of the game. Because in this part, we see and experience all the improvements, difference and how the game's mechanics change. There's always room for improvement especially when you try to cover a story of the vast universal world. Anyways, we have our own reason to love Pokémon and as long GF considers the number of people playing Pokémon, expect them to create more future Pokémon games. |
Yeah the chances of them ending Pokemon after S/M are pretty much zero. They're making a ton of money, and they are still good games.
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As I said, the main series games just don't have mainstream appeal anymore. Japanese kids would rather play Yokai Watch, and Pokémon Go has now snapped up the young and otherwise casual fans elsewhere. All that's left are the hardcore/competitive fans, who are a minority of Pokémon players. Again, if GF is fine just catering to that niche demographic, that's their business, but they shouldn't expect blockbuster sales from the games here on out (and neither should fans, for that matter). |
Betty has a point because Japanese kids have decided to leave Pokemon in favor of other franchises that are offering more innovation which Pokemon seems to be lacking, although I believe Game Freak may have take some inspiration from Yo-Kai Watch with Pokedex Rotom's role reminding me heavily of Whisper.
Also Pokemon GO has become a fierce competitor within the franchise due to being on a different platform than the main series, that of course being phones and mobile gaming has a huge fanbase due to the accessibility. As Betty mentioned, Sun & Moon are also coming out at what is considered nearly the end of the 3DS which tends to scream bad sales as mentioned with Crystal and B2/W2, the only difference is that Sun & moon are the first main games coming at the tail-end of a console lifespan that is introducing a new generation for Pokemon. We also don't know what will succeed the 3DS, whether it'd be the NX or something else entirely. The latter is my guess since the NX looks likely to be the Wii U successor. |
New to this thing but his theory is just plain wrong. The '''''''revive''''' he was talking about and the '''''connection'''''' was for the 5th move thing that the trainer does with his Pokemon. Just with that picks apart A LOT of what he says....
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Before we use the sales figures to compare each Pokémon games,
we must first take into consideration the following: - The target timetable where the monitoring was conducted. - The continuous production and availability of the game in the market (cart and software installation) - The consoles applicable for the franchise. (Game migrations to newer consoles) - The actual sales target of the company for the game "each year". - The "exact", "factual" and "complete" materials needed to come up with more informative explanation. - And the right knowledge to make plausible interpretations. "Most" of these can only be provided by GF and Nintendo, "information" which are not open to the public. I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, that's the reason why I'm not tackling the issue referring to sales figures. As a Pokémon gamer returnee, I chose to read vast reviews from notable game review websites and read discussions from different forums before deciding to buy XY and ORAS. |
There's one thing that I've been never been able to understand... and it's the mentality of blaming Game Freak's "lack of innovation". The reason why these particular complaints have always made me face-palm is because of the fans themselves: they are the same people that have kept buying the product for years on end. If you think the games are so crappy in the innovation department, then why exactly have you been buying every game in existense for the past 20 years? With that said, you can't exactly blame Game Freak as the main cause of it; when it's the fans that keep buying their products and staying loyal, that sends a signal to the developer that what they're doing is the best way.
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Oh I just made a topic about this one! hahaha! Yeah I think the points that they made were just too great at times, Its so good that they gave me goosebumps. Like the Solgaleo and Ho-oh connection and Lunala and Lugia, and the azoth spellings which has alpha and omega. then the Hindu connections. The tree of life, The alchemy symbol of gold and so on.
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While some Go players may later go out and get Sun/Moon, Go seems to appeal to a completely different demographic than the main series games, IMO. You see both young kids and older nostalgic fans playing Go, and I'm not sure if Sun/Moon carries much appeal to those people. |
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Not to mention software and TGC sales increased in the UK due to Pokémon GO, so it's not keeping people away from buying the mainline games. Also, the fact that Pokémon GO's booming so quickly showcases that it's too early to end the franchise.
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What free advertisement you might ask- I was getting some breakfast from a local Subway and they had the radio on, the segment they were doing this morning they were trying to find the oldest Pokemon (Go) trainer in the south west of England and were getting calls from people in their 50's (I think the oldest at the point when I left was 58), they were also getting people texting and saying where particular Pokemon could be found. This was a good 30 minutes plus of people just talking about Pokemon and being broadcast to millions without a penny paid. This and the fact it is one of the top available apps already shows how popular it is, and I'd imagine that TV adverts for the main series games will probably start in about a month or so, if not sooner. The timing of the release of Pokemon Go has been a stroke of genius by The Pokemon Company (who worked with Niantic on this) even if it wasn't initially planned to be released this late in the year, getting such a frenzy about the app, and then following up with the adverts for Sun & Moon is about as good as they could possibly plan it to be. People who are playing Go for the nostalgia of catching the Pokemon they caught as a kid but then stopped playing may well be tempted to try the new games upon their release, particularly the ones who have a 3DS already. |
^ I agree with what people are saying about Pokemon Go.
From a marketing standpoint, it wouldn't make any sense. Pokemon is still very popular. It is one of the best selling games in the world and, especially with the release of Pokemon Go, the company is making millions. Because of this, I highly doubt the franchise is going to end anytime soon. |
The guy in the video makes a lot of great points, however I feel that he was really stretching it in some points
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But, again, that's the thing. How do we know that everyone who's into Go is going to go out and buy Sun/Moon later this year?
First of all, a lot of people don't have 3DSs and have no interest in buying one. That's a big reason why Go has been so successful to begin with. It's a phone app, and far more people own smartphones than 3DSs. And, even when you factor in the in-app purchases, Go is still a far cheaper game to play. Again, you don't have to go out and buy new hardware, and the game's free to download. For a lot of people, that's a huge deal. And, here's another big factor--A LOT of the older fans who have gotten back into Pokémon through Go are 25-30 year olds that haven't touched a main series game since GSC. For them, Go is a very nostalgic experience, being able to travel around like Ash and catch all of their old Gen 1 favorites. These people largely have no interest in new Pokémon or competitive battling, so I don't see what Sun/Moon would offer for them. In fact, I know several people from various sites who love Go and have literally said that they have zero interest in Sun/Moon. What does that say? I just don't see Sun/Moon having much appeal to anyone besides the same dedicated, hardcore fans who have already been buying all of the main series games. |
Personally, I think taking a group of people you personally know and using them as a representation for the ENTIRE WORLDWIDE fanbase isn't a very fair arguement. This is because the entire populous that do buy the games are not just us folks who participate on Internet forums, it also includes the people in the target demographic, the kids with parents that buy the games for them. How many of you personally know little kids well enough that their parents buy the games just as much as you do?
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Pokémon Go may be popular, but it's a totally separate deal from the main series. No main series game has had anywhere close to that level of popularity since GS. Few people outside of the dedicated fandom cared about XY and ORAS, and that will likely also be the case for Sun/Moon. |
I think we don't have to worry about SM selling poorly:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/759101236515921920 That's just in Italy alone, you guys. :) It's likely going to be this way in other countries as well, and I'm pretty confident that the high success of Pokemon GO is partly responsible. Well played, TPC. Well played. |
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To comment on Lockstin & Toby's theory, I am open to a reboot, though I don't think that's what will happen.
Everyday, Gamefreak is regaining old fans and converting newer ones, partially thanks to Pokémon Go. To deny that this separate application has had no influence recently to the franchise is simply ignoring facts all around you. I am 24, played Gen 1. - Gen 3. Grew out of the series. Pokémon Go came out. I tried it, grew unpleased with it's system, and started playing the original RBY games. I am essentially an example of how this next generation 7 could potentially capture a huge market. If they make a good game, there will be no reason to fear an "end", especially with so many people interested in Pokémon today. |
Aw geez, Logstin's made a second part of his "ultimate" theory:
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Here is the thing.
The game director has changed. The game has changed. Why make these changes if this was the last generation? Why wouldn't Masuda just finish this last gen? Why change? Not to mention they have said you will be able to give your grandchildren your pokemon. Sun and Moon are the top selling games on Amazon right now. Or at least one of the top. And without Pokemon, Nintendo would fall. I think only Super Mario has more sells than pokemon and it has be around way longer. Pokemon is worth over 10 billion dollars in 2002. It is probably near 1 trillion now of net worth. Why drop somethign that big? Not to mention they are making a live action movie. |
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I think S/M is the end of the core franchise, or at least the format. If we see another gen of pokemon, I think it'll be more like Ni No Kuni than the format we're used to.
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This is an olllddd trailer but it does a pretty good job of showing off what I mean. Full 3D, open world, more traditional RPG elements, real time battles and companions. We've already seen the addition of temporary companions, the drive to be in a more 3D world (X/Y, ORAS and S/M) and we're getting more and more into deeper, well constructed stories. I'd argue we'll see more character customization too. I think it's the most likely progression for the franchise. |
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Pokemon is never going to end, it has no reason to. We will have another 20 years of Pokemon
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I'm honestly hoping that the gens end after this one. Instead of forcing out more content (which honestly, given the "quality" of X and Y and ORAS has been going down the tubes), they could focus on remastering previous gens. This new "Z moves" crap is a completely pointless addition to the series and show that the new emphasis is on gimmicks rather than providing quality content.
When Pokemon Uranium, a fangame, is far more fun than Pokemon X and Y, it becomes obvious that there's a problem. |
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X/Y and OR/AS may feel rushed but keep in mind it was Game Freak's first foray onto the 3DS so it felt like a testing ground. Remember how D/P was a slow, glitchy mess? That's because it was likely Game Freak testing the DS engine so that the next game they made for it would be an improvement, and that's why Platinum and HG/SS saved 4th Gen for most of us. I don't like the idea of ending Pokemon after Sun & Moon since there's still so much potential for future Pokemon and region concepts, plus getting endless remakes of regions we've already explored will become boring very quickly. Then again, some people are blinded by nostalgia and don't like the direction Pokemon has been going. That's likely where Pokemon GO comes in, since it currently has a 1st Gen-only roster that seems to appeal to that nostalgia-hungry crowd. |
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The simple answer is: no. Pokemon is the second (sometimes third, right below Tetris) most selling franchise ever. Pokemon prints money for Nintendo.
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Was making a 0.5 video of your second part really that necessary? |
I want to scream at this guy.
POKEMON IS NOT GOING TO END. NOT WHILE THEY'RE CELEBRATING 20 SUCCESSFUL YEARS, NOT WHEN THE POKEMON HYPE IS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN DUDE. His point that Ash was going to win the league and all that is mute, and yet he still won't give up. |
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