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Hikamaru August 31st, 2016 7:03 AM

I find it weird how he's now considering Team Skull have something to do with this theory.

clbgolden August 31st, 2016 2:52 PM

Can someone just give me a summary on all thre- oh wait, sorry, "two and a half" parts of this theory? I honestly feel it won't be worth my time watching them since they're pretty long, but I'm still curious as to why this theory is blowing up so much.

kingdenas September 1st, 2016 3:13 AM

I watched the first two and I already forgot about everything...

Pinkie-Dawn September 6th, 2016 11:03 AM

ProtoMario tries to debunk Logstin's theory:


Attribule September 6th, 2016 8:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colours (Post 9397940)
ProtoMario basically saying what most, if not the majority of us knew anyway, which is that as long as Pokemon keeps generating revenue and overall profit for Nintendo, it's not going to end.

Only a crazy person would believe the franchise would end as long as it's successful. The sales would have to drop down to "niche" levels to even be considered dropping; something like <500k/<1m sales a title.

However, there's strong reason to believe that Sun and Moon is the end of something. It may be the end of the current lore that ties the generations together, but a new one will take its place in Gen 8. Of course, nothing interesting may happen whatsoever. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Stuxify September 8th, 2016 2:15 AM

theres no way

Hikamaru September 8th, 2016 2:31 AM

Here is Lockstin's latest video in this so-called "saga":


Surprised Pinkie didn't post this earlier.

Pinkie-Dawn September 8th, 2016 8:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9399945)
Here is Lockstin's latest video in this so-called "saga":


Surprised Pinkie didn't post this earlier.

That's because I only post the main videos (the ones that are multi-part). Those type of videos are just side-videos of his theory.

NightCard September 8th, 2016 8:14 AM

He also uploaded this:


Hikamaru September 8th, 2016 8:24 AM

The video's not working.

NightCard September 8th, 2016 8:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9400282)
The video's not working.

Sorry about that, here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RSGN-REYj8

NightCard September 8th, 2016 6:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colours (Post 9400857)
For future advice, when you want to embed a particular youtube video, you want to do [youtube]1RSGN-REYj8[/youtube], as these are the indicators after the v= in the url that would allow you to embed the video in your posts. ^^

Thank you! I went ahead and edited my other post!

kingdenas September 9th, 2016 3:25 AM

God, I don't think I'll waste my time with the another theory... I watched the first two and I've already forgot about everything and I don't actually believe in it, so I don't think I'll need to watch the video '-' Does this kind of speculation about the current generation being "The end of the Pokémon Franchise" happened with other gens?

kingdenas September 9th, 2016 3:33 AM

Really? Than it's pretty unlikely Pokémon will end in gen 7. The franchise gains lots of money, so I don't think they will suddenly stop making Pokémon games :/

MrGriszell September 9th, 2016 4:07 AM

I hate when people say pokemon should reboot. They don't understand the word.

Pinkie-Dawn September 9th, 2016 6:57 AM

I know I said I would only post his multi-part videos and not his side videos, but this is something I'll have to make an exception since nobody's posted it here yet:


MarinoKadame September 9th, 2016 12:01 PM

I think the reboot will mostly only cater to a niche audience of pokemon and will probably end up making em lose money.

Attribule September 9th, 2016 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 9401921)
I think the reboot will mostly only cater to a niche audience of pokemon and will probably end up making em lose money.

Reboots in general rarely pay off. Pokemon being rebooted would also mean the vast majority of what players own up to this point would be incompatible with the new game, as the Pokemon and whatnot wouldn't exist in the new canon.

Beyond the initial reboot, the only logical way to move the series forward would be to add changes, new Pokemon, etc again. But according to some, players don't like any of that stuff. Pokemon would reboot to Gen 1, then just... go nowhere from there? The series would stagnate.

Best course of action would be to not reboot the main series. If anything needs a "reboot" it would be the anime.

And this is using "reboot" in the sense of a "reset". If they rebooted, in the normal sense, it would mean that they would be remaking the series with a new vision. This means it wouldn't go back necessarily to "Gen 1", but an alternate interpretation of "Gen 1". For example: It would still have Mega Evolutions/Z Moves, and possibly even design changes to old Pokemon; removal of some of the forgettable Gen 1 Pokemon; likely including select post-Gen 1 Pokemon and whatnot. It wouldn't be the Gen 1 that started the franchise.

It would be more akin to reboots in comics. So a rebooted Batman is still Batman, but the rebooted version now has a huge alcohol and drug problem, and sometimes loses control and hurts himself and others. Alfred doesn't exist in this reboot because Batman killed him during one of his rampages.

Pinkie-Dawn September 9th, 2016 7:14 PM

Even my friends at Disquis don't agree with Lockstin's reasoning, for they believe reboots are only necessary if a franchise is progressively getting worse, which Pokémon isn't suffering from.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 9th, 2016 10:44 PM

We have had reboots before. Gen III & V. Gen III was the start of the post original vision of a series that was originally planned to end with GS. Plus it set off the remakes. Meanwhile BW was new pokémon only until pst game, and was The Pokémon Company even referred to them as a 'Reboot'. Huh, reboots tend not to do all that well for them, as RS and BW sold less than GS and DP did...

Ullion September 9th, 2016 11:52 PM

How Lockstin actually continuing with this? :| I really don't think Pokemon will reboot, not for a while yet I think.

Sunstruck September 11th, 2016 5:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Attribule (Post 9402200)
And this is using "reboot" in the sense of a "reset". If they rebooted, in the normal sense, it would mean that they would be remaking the series with a new vision. This means it wouldn't go back necessarily to "Gen 1", but an alternate interpretation of "Gen 1". For example: It would still have Mega Evolutions/Z Moves, and possibly even design changes to old Pokemon; removal of some of the forgettable Gen 1 Pokemon; likely including select post-Gen 1 Pokemon and whatnot. It wouldn't be the Gen 1 that started the franchise.

It would be more akin to reboots in comics. So a rebooted Batman is still Batman, but the rebooted version now has a huge alcohol and drug problem, and sometimes loses control and hurts himself and others. Alfred doesn't exist in this reboot because Batman killed him during one of his rampages.

This is essentially what Lockstin is saying is going to happen. And personally, while it's only a theory, I don't think it's too far-fetched.

It's true that a full reboot wouldn't be profitable for them, for reasons already stated. But they could change up their formula, like they're doing with Sun and Moon; away with the gyms, maybe even the whole Elite Four and Champion deal. They could come up with something new; something different, but something that still appeals to their target audience. As Lockstin said, I feel that the fact that Sun and Moon is mixing things up is an indicator towards them 'testing the waters', seeing if people like that sort of idea. They're experimenting. But a reboot doesn't necessarily mean everything needs to change or be replaced -- it would just be a much more radical change than anything they've done in the past.

This doesn't necessarily mean the Pokemon will all be replaced or changed. For evidence of this, I point to Gen III and V, where everything that was said about them being unsuccessful due to being reboots was true. I do think they were reboots, but soft ones, because they never really changed up the formula -- the only thing they really did was replace the majority of the old Pokemon with new ones, which also happens to be people's chief complaint about them. But as we've seen with X and Y, as well as Sun and Moon, they've been trying to include Pokemon from all generations and keep that from happening again. I think they've learned their lesson; any reboot would include as many older Pokemon as possible -- possibly removing some of the least popular ones, but even that's a risk.

Basically, what I'm saying is that a reboot doesn't necessarily constitute an entirely new game. As Lockstin said, it's the beginning of a new cycle. A new formula or new gameplay mechanics; perhaps even a more mature/complex story. And 'more mature' doesn't necessarily mean all dark and gritty; think more like Pokemon Mystery Dungeon's level of story and character complexity, and Pokemon Origins' levels of maturity.

Pinkie-Dawn September 16th, 2016 9:48 AM

Well things have gotten interesting:


MarinoKadame September 16th, 2016 11:31 AM

Well yesterday youtube got a massive take down on the Pokemon anime subs. lot of Episode 42 English sub videos got taken down and I only managed to find 1 video left. Episode 43 tho no English subs only Spanish one.

It may be a side effect to the wipe.

Pinkie-Dawn September 22nd, 2016 3:42 PM

The long awaited third part of his "ultimate" theory has arrived:



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