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Iceshadow3317 July 1st, 2016 5:39 AM

New Feature: Powerful Moves
 
We now know that a new feature is new Poweful Moves.

Taken from Official English Pokemon Site:
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In the world of Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon, you’ll discover moves more powerful than any seen before, adventures in uncharted locations, and many more delights just waiting to be explored! Get an early look at what’s to come. More detailed information about the new features in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon will be available soon.
So what do you guys think? I mentioned that this could be Break Evolution or Syenergy Burst. This is probably also what the new bracelets are for. I mainly think this because Kukui is the Prof. of Pokemon Moves and Attacks.

We don't know any moves, but Pikachu seems to learn some type of Electric Breath Move.

http://i.imgur.com/VtkjZfx.png
http://i.imgur.com/KNJrPAD.png

blue July 1st, 2016 5:46 AM

Perhaps as your friendship grows with a Pokemon so does the power of certain moves? I don't exactly know what they mean by that but it looks like we're getting some pretty powerful moves. Professor Kukui specialises in Pokemon Moves so maybe it has something to do with that?

Sirfetch’d July 1st, 2016 6:01 AM

Every generation Pokemon seem to be getting stronger so this isn't a surprise to me really. Also, I may be wrong but that Pikachu seems to be using Charge Beam maybe?

Iceshadow3317 July 1st, 2016 6:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Castform (Post 9304482)
Every generation Pokemon seem to be getting stronger so this isn't a surprise to me really. Also, I may be wrong but that Pikachu seems to be using Charge Beam maybe?

Possibly. I am not 100% sure. I just know that that screenshot was with the article. It is very likely it could be charge beam though.

I am also thinking this attack can only be used once or requires a build up. Say, it needs 3 rounds before it is ready. Once 3 rounds have passed, you can use it, or hold off. But once you use it, you have to wait 3 more rounds.

Also remember that the only thing confirmed is that they are a new feature. You you happen to find more info about it, please do post it here.

Rivvon July 1st, 2016 6:29 AM

I just thought it meant that, like with every new generation, there are new moves that tend to be stronger than the moves of old? Also some moves have their base powers buffed for balance, and older Pokémon gain access to new moves (example: Delphox got access to the Dazzling Gleam TM in ORAS, but not previously in XY).

I mean, they already confirmed that Core Enforcer flat-out erases the Ability of any Pokémon that's already moved. And Thousand Arrows negates the Flying-Type and Levitate immunity to Ground moves for an undisclosed number of turns. Those seem pretty powerful, if you ask me!

Iceshadow3317 July 1st, 2016 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9304537)
I just thought it meant that, like with every new generation, there are new moves that tend to be stronger than the moves of old? Also some moves have their base powers buffed for balance, and older Pokémon gain access to new moves (example: Delphox got access to the Dazzling Gleam TM in ORAS, but not previously in XY).

I mean, they already confirmed that Core Enforcer flat-out erases the Ability of any Pokémon that's already moved. And Thousand Arrows negates the Flying-Type and Levitate immunity to Ground moves for an undisclosed number of turns. Those seem pretty powerful, if you ask me!

It is in the new features and I don't think they would even mention it like this if it was just moves. And it seems like they meant that you would have to find them like Mega Stones. This could explain the 5th slot in the Pokemon Moves during battle and it would match Kukui.

It would make little sense not to have a new feature based on what the Prof. Specializes in. Or a large amount of something.

Oak studied relation ships with pokemon
Elm studied breeding (Breeding was first introduced)
Birch studied Habitats.
Rowan was evolution. (There was a ton of evolutions added)
Juniper was much like Oak.
Sycamore studied Mega Evolution (First Gen for Megas)
Kukui studes pokemon attacks.


It also says, More powerful than ANY seen before. That to me says the moves are extremely powerful because they are more powerful than even the hyper beam attacks and what not.

Nah July 1st, 2016 9:47 AM

I'm like 99% sure that "you’ll discover moves more powerful than any seen before" is just marketing buzz words. Companies like to do that.

I'm pretty sure they once said during the ORAS pre-release days something along the lines of "explore a whole new world" despite ORAS not featuring a new region or even just making Hoenn significantly different.

I am expecting more powerful shit in general though, just not necessarily a powerful new mechanic, since power creep's been a thing for a while now and I doubt they'll stop. They've already revealed some strong stuff like Core Enforcer and Dazzle, and I fully expect (but do not exactly want) at least one 'mon on Mega Rayquaza levels of stupid.

Rivvon July 1st, 2016 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9304747)
It is in the new features and I don't think they would even mention it like this if it was just moves. And it seems like they meant that you would have to find them like Mega Stones. This could explain the 5th slot in the Pokemon Moves during battle and it would match Kukui.

It would make little sense not to have a new feature based on what the Prof. Specializes in. Or a large amount of something.

Oak studied relation ships with pokemon
Elm studied breeding (Breeding was first introduced)
Birch studied Habitats.
Rowan was evolution. (There was a ton of evolutions added)
Juniper was much like Oak.
Sycamore studied Mega Evolution (First Gen for Megas)
Kukui studes pokemon attacks.


It also says, More powerful than ANY seen before. That to me says the moves are extremely powerful because they are more powerful than even the hyper beam attacks and what not.

The brand-new features page also says we'll have "adventures in uncharted locations," which is something we do every new gen because each new gen introduces a new region. So I agree with Nah--it seems a lot more like PR marketing buzzwords than anything. And like you said, Rowan studied evolution because they added new evolutions, but aside from some new items or Stones, there wasn't anything major changed about evolution that gen. So by that logic, there is a chance that Kukui studying attacks just means there will be a lot of new, high-powered attacks, and/or major revamps to numerous Pokémon's movepools, not necessarily that a new mechanic will be in place. Because technically, new attacks and Abilities are "new features," just as Alola itself is a "new feature," albeit being a feature we've come to expect.

TheKojo July 1st, 2016 10:15 AM

I think it's going to be a Burst Attack/Final Smash type thing where you get some powerful special move you can use once per battle. Seems probable that it's related to the bracelet.

I don't agree with the "it's just meaningless marketing" thing because they also made a point to mention that the professor studies moves. And professors of each region typically study something related to some significant feature of the game. It's also accompanied with a screenshot of Pikachu that seems kind of glowy looking. It doesn't look like a normal attack.

MadHatter62 July 1st, 2016 10:22 AM

Somehow, I have a feeling that the developers are getting some inspiration from Dragonball.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2016 11:18 AM

I'm thinking that there will be items we need to find across Alola to power up our mon's moves. Perhaps the move levels will work similar to the skill leveling in Pokemon Shuffle.

Iceshadow3317 July 1st, 2016 11:38 AM

On twitter, Junichi Masuda shared a post by someone that said that there might be a new element with the Pikachu picture. Element probably meaning new element of game play. If it wasn't a new element of game play, I don't think he would have shared it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2016 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9304851)
On twitter, Junichi Masuda shared a post by someone that said that there might be a new element with the Pikachu picture. Element probably meaning new element of game play. If it wasn't a new element of game play, I don't think he would have shared it.

I think so. Pikachu looked kind of weird in that picture, of course it could be the news graphics and/or the move itself.

Hikamaru July 1st, 2016 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9304835)
I'm thinking that there will be items we need to find across Alola to power up our mon's moves. Perhaps the move levels will work similar to the skill leveling in Pokemon Shuffle.

I think that could be possible, sorta like how we had to hunt for the Mega Stones. Still, I'm surprised this mechanic seems to be what those gems in the Japanese logo and the protagonist's bracelet are for, or at least it's hinting to be.

Desert Stream~ July 1st, 2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9304757)
I'm like 99% sure that "you’ll discover moves more powerful than any seen before" is just marketing buzz words. Companies like to do that.

Pretty sure it's just this. They say stuff like this every generation, and half the time it doesn't mean anything.
It could also be a reference to the amount of pokemon with new moves/abilities.

Iceshadow3317 July 1st, 2016 6:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9304858)
I think so. Pikachu looked kind of weird in that picture, of course it could be the news graphics and/or the move itself.

That is something else that caught my attention, and I am not sure it is graphics because they are using the old graphics for pokemon. Looking at it, it reminded me of a break.


And I still have to disagree with all of you sadly. I don't think it was a simple marketing line. Too much points in the direction that there is new moves. If it was just new attacks, why did they not say abilities as well? Currently I think there is too much point in my direction of being right right now. If the bracelet ends up being something else, then I will admit that it is just new attacks.

But until then, I am sticking to my theory. As I said, Kukui is the Prof. of Attacks and a lot of stuff in the past 2 generations has pointed in the direction that they might make extremely powerful moves. I don't see them making new attack stronger than Hyper Beam and not have some type of cost.

smocks July 1st, 2016 6:48 PM

Honestly, I'm not getting my hopes up for this. Tbh this seems to me as if there's just going to be new Pokémon moves rather than have "Mega" Moves.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2016 7:22 PM

Mega moves? That'll be pretty cool. Perhaps some moves will be upgraded when Mega Evolving/Whatever else they'll introduce.

TheKojo July 1st, 2016 7:32 PM

Also keep this in mind

http://i.imgur.com/npe3wco.jpg

no it's probably not room for replacing a move because that's always been done on the regular summary screen UI
and no it's also not room for its held item because there would be no reason for them to put it in the same rows as the moves instead of just reducing the rows to 4 and putting the item directly below it. Also, the held item would probably be listed in the "summary" section anyway.

Soopa Derp Cat July 3rd, 2016 9:28 AM

I just want to see them give Arceus a move that lets him create another universe and drop it on the opposing Pokémon's face.

Desert Stream~ July 3rd, 2016 9:40 AM

Again, I can't see them doing this. One of the 3 factors of creating a mega evolution is balance, so if they are concerned about balance I can't see them giving some pokemon absolutly broken moves, and not giving them to other pokemon.

Nah July 3rd, 2016 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9306682)
Again, I can't see them doing this. One of the 3 factors of creating a mega evolution is balance, so if they are concerned about balance I can't see them giving some pokemon absolutly broken moves, and not giving them to other pokemon.

I'm still not convinced either, but I'm also sure that "balance" wouldn't stop Game Freak from implementing super moves or some such. They did make stuff like Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Rayquaza and Primals after all.

StarsMmd July 3rd, 2016 12:57 PM

Imagine if it's literally true though and we get moves more powerful than explosion was in the generations where it halved the targets' defense stats. Even moves more powerful than explosion is now would be broken enough. They would need to have some really harsh side effects or really specific conditions under which they can be used.

I can foresee certain stones which can be held in battle and that pokemon gains the move contained in that stone. Maybe you can only have one stone per team. Maybe you can only activate the move once per battle. They could be moves we've already seen or even moves which can't normally be learnt without the stones. I'd like to see some powerful ghost and dark moves at >120 bp.

Words can be really misleading though, especially when they're being translated from another language. This time next year we'll all be laughing at how we all thought coro coro hinted that Rockruff and the starters have a special "secret".

Hikamaru July 3rd, 2016 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9306691)
I'm still not convinced either, but I'm also sure that "balance" wouldn't stop Game Freak from implementing super moves or some such. They did make stuff like Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Rayquaza and Primals after all.

You have a point. I do think that while some things get balanced, there are other things Game Freak doesn't care about when it comes to balance, like you said certain Mega Evolutions.

I do wonder if that new disc-like move Ash Greninja was shown using in an anime preview may be related to these new "powerful moves" though.

Famon July 4th, 2016 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9304747)

It also says, More powerful than ANY seen before. That to me says the moves are extremely powerful because they are more powerful than even the hyper beam attacks and what not.

Does that mean , This time we will get moves that can destroy Planet or Starts.
Considering that many pokemon moves can destroy mountains and this New Attacks are suppose to be stronger then those attack.


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