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Will there FINALLY be a Dark type gym?
Yes. I know the arguments about why there hasn't been one yet.
Dark types translate into evil when looked at in Japanese. Dark types are usually used by the bad guys. Gym leaders are supposed to be role models. They're easily taken down. (Excuse me? Bug types?) The gym matches town environment, and there hasn't been a town yet that would fit. However, of all the games so far, I feel as if we might have a chance here. Sun and MOON! Moon, night, dark? And to take down those arguments listed above. And yes, this will all come together to relate to a gym leader theory: They're not evil. Dark types are more trickstery when you look at a lot of them. People often point to the move sets, but It makes me think of how in MMOs a lot of tanks seem to put down on us Stealth types for "hitting and then running off". Like somehow it's cowardly, but isn't running kinda the point here? Hit fast, run faster, wear them down, and don't die. Same with dark types. They play to their strengths and other pokemon's weaknesses. There's nothing really evil in that. More cunning. You want evil? Well... If a dark type gym leader is bad, what about poison and ghosts? Anyone remember a certain ghost balloon that carried off little children in the night? What about Kanga, who was actually a member of team rocket in the manga? Fire could be pretty destructive. There have been many characters who are not evil with dark types. Gary had Umbreon, remember? Absol is actually a good pokemon that WARNS people about disaster. Darkrai, who is often seen as evil, has been shown as good in the movie. What about Zorua? Oh, and what about all the non dark types that have been shown as evil? Again...bug types might be the easiest to take down. We have gyms with those. Dark types are actually pretty strong when raised right. There are tons that are type mixes, which means not only extra weaknesses, but extra strengths! What about the ones with the ghost gyms? Or how about one that's known to be in a "bad part of the region"? Bringing all of this together, there would be a good opportunity to break down in universe stereotypes you see now and again. Remember the girl from the Darkrai movie? Everyone else thought Darkrai was evil, but when he was hurt she befriended him. She was kind enough to look past the appearance and see that Darkrai was lonely, and accepted him. If they want to implement a gym leader in these next games who's a good leader, has strong pokemon, is not evil, etc...they can! Maybe it'll be the last gym. There'll be a dude or chick there who ends up helping out the main character, while giving useful, wise life advice about appearances or such. Kind. Cheers on the underdog. Who knows? Maybe it's a town most people don't like to go to. Far removed, which also happens to be where the evil team is, because, well, far removed places are good to have a base at? All kinds of potential that shatters the "it can't happen because reasons listed above". It fits the "moon" bit. People have been talking about it for a while...what do you think? I'd love for this to happen, ESPECIALLY if they're not evil. I'm really tired of that being associated with my favorite type...we must end the pokemon typism once and for all. My Houndoom must be insulted no longer. |
You're not too into fan theories, are you? Because I've seen people get a lot more into things than this. Also, most of this came from arguments others brought up about why there weren't any, so I'm not the only one.
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I kind of hope not, just 'cause I think this is a neat tradition. I dunno. It's like Elite 4 members are the only ones good enough to master such an eccentric type.
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Maybe, but the Elite Four are so detached from the rest of the region. Not to mention two of those elite Four were members of evil teams in the manga, and the other looks like Dracula. His name is basically devil. So that doesn't earn many points. :/
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This is stated many times in the Anime and Games, A Pokemon cannot truly be evil. They only follow the orders of their masters. Outside of ownership, Pokemon do what they must to survive. Like Florges running amuck with Bug Types in the swamp and driving out the inhabitants (though this was also Team Rocket's doing). You also have Pokemon like Ursaring who get jealous of other Pokemon like Hawlucha and try to get revenge their own way. Some are bullies. Some are mean and very territorial. None are realistically evil. We can't use individual merits to dictate or counteract lore and other sources. Some are more malevolent. Some are more benevolent. Some are seen as evil due to superstition and happenstance. Driftloon, since it was mentioned earlier, is another like Absol. Bad things happen so it is believed they are the cause. Children holding onto a Driftloon go missing is the general story along with they are made from spirits of people and Pokemon. A common story about Spirits is how they tend to steal children away, a very common one is about a dead mother who lost her child and steals any child that comes close to her domain. She doesn't steal them to be evil, but because she is lonely and her motherly instincts drive her to protect the children she steals. Driftloon have a common build up. They are made of spirits of People and Pokemon. Two things that love to be with others, especially children. Spirits are known to be lonely and seek others to fill in the loneliness. They aren't Malevolent when they take them. Quote:
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None of this can be used for or against a Dark Type Gym however. The only thing that will indicate a Dark Type Gym's existence is GameFreak wanting to make one. Everything else we use to argue either way is pure conjecture. How I personally feel upon the matter. I'd love a Dark Type Gym, but at the same time I feel that belittles the type. It's in a place of prominence being mostly E4 or Final Boss like with the evil teams. I'd rather see a Champion who specializes in Dark Types than a Dark Type Gym. A Gym is battle and done. E4 and the Champion can be battled many times and are more likely to change with additional encounters than Gyms are. There are so many wrongs that can happen if they are made into a Gym, being forgetfully easy and early or being laughably easy and late, having a bad connection to correlate the Gym to the story and or location, or giving the Gym Leader limited choices (which we'll pretty much get regardless) No matter what outcome we receive someone isn't going to like how it's done when it'd finally done. It's one of the types, I'd rather not see put in a bad set up just for the sake of having it as a Gym. Quote:
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I really love Dark type Pokemon and I hope in S&M we'll get a dark type gym, there's plenty of cool dark Pokemon and the gym itself could be themed around a moon or something.
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If there are gyms that is...hahah
Darkness and shadows are not always associated with evil in Nintendo games. Zelda and Paper Mario, for instance plays with darkness as a thematic device for something being misunderstood or obscured. Dark pokemon use "shady" tactics to win, but it does not mean that such tactics are not justified. Grimsley is a gambling addict, and a bit of brat, but it does not mean he is "evil". Moreover, in the Manga Sidney is a protagonist who happens to use dark pokemon. |
It's simple. As I've said before, Gamefreak treats it as a running joke. there will probably never be one, not even 10 gens from now. {XD}
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"Gym leaders are supposed to be role models"
Ahem. And, surprise, he existed before Dark was even a type. And, it's very reductionist and stereotypical to say that Dark specialists must always be evil. The games' very first Dark specialist was a strong woman with one of the most powerful, uplifting quotes in the entire series: "Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites. I like your style. You understand what's important. Go on — — the Champion is waiting." While the type is called "Evil" in Japan, it's more really associated with trickery and clever (if underhanded) fighting tactics than anything else, traits that can be "evil," but aren't necessarily so (think self defense, for example). I don't see how a gym couldn't be built around that, although I'm not GF. Of course, with the rumors that Sun/Moon are getting rid of gyms, Dark may never get a gym. :( |
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I think the only reason why they didn't make a Dark type gym leader is simply because they couldn't fit one in a town that made sense. I'm sure they make the region first, and then decide which type specialists go where. They don't go "Oh let's not make a dark type gym" they go "A fighting type gym leader could fit in this town" |
There better be. The only, only reasonable argument against not having a Dark Gym is that the villainous teams use a lot of Dark-Types (even Magma and Aqua didn't use a whole lot of Fire- and Water-Types, and Team Flare used whatever random stuff they could find) so having a Dark Gym would be a bit redundant. But that didn't stop Game Freak from making a pure Water-Type Champion in the same game where the 8th Gym Leader also used pure Water-Types, so even that I think shouldn't be an issue. In all honestly, I'd say the bigger issue is, why doesn't Game Freak shake things up a bit and give the villainous team a different set of Pokémon to use so that we not only have something different, but also "make room" for a Dark Gym?
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I actually really want them to have a Dark type gym leader. It probably won't happen but we'll never know until we get more news. I understand the whole 'bad guys use dark types' thing, but come on.
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I wonder if the problem is that Dark is just too much of an ambiguous, complicated type to build a gym around?
Out of all the types, Dark is probably the least-straightforward. Most types can be instantly defined by their very names (Water types are aquatic, Electric types use electricity, Bug types are bugs, Dragon types are dragons, and so on). Even the newest type, Fairy, can be pretty easily understood as referring to magic and mythology. But, what is Dark supposed to represent? Sure, you can cite the whole "it's Evil Type in Japan" line, but not every Dark type move or Pokémon is actually evil. "Dirty-fighting" (which, again, isn't inherently evil) is probably a closer answer, but that's a trait that also defines Ghost and Poison. And, let's not pretend that Dark has never had any connection to literal darkness. All of the original Dark types were nighttime only encounters, and Umbreon's theme was heavily based around the moon and nighttime. The theme of the games' first Dark specialist, Karen, was also pretty obviously based more around nighttime than evil. Just as the fandom still hasn't really come to a solid definition on what Dark is supposed to be, it's possible that GF hasn't either. Later gens have probably leaned more towards the "Evil Type" definition, but it's still not a hard and fast definition like with other types. |
Even if Moon is the name of one of the games, I doubt a Dark-type Gym will happen for the reasons listed above, primarily given the fact that the Gyms are generally based on the towns they're inside, and in a perpetually sunny location like Alola I really doubt there'd be a town that'd have the necessary theme to support such a Gym. Kinda sucks.
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I really do want to see a Dark-type gym just because we haven't had one yet. But if there was a gym based on the moon, it would likely be either a Fairy or Ghost type gym, since Fairy types have some connection with lunacy, and Ghost types are more based on the shadow element. Likewise, the moon is said to have some connection with the supernatural.
Nonetheless, we could have the evil team leader be a Dark-type gym leader in the region, much like how Giovanni ran the Viridian gym for a while. |
I love Dark type Pokemon too, but i cant catch them all
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I hope there will be a dark type gym. It seems unreasonable that we haven't got one yet.
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nah
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I don't disagree that Dark has associations with evil, but let's not pretend that it's never been associated with shadows and nighttime either. Again, all of the original Dark types were nighttime only encounters, and Umbreon is heavily associated with nighttime and the moon. A lot of Dark type attacks are based around tricky, sneaky fighting, which is something that tends to be more effective at night than in broad daylight. (You know, kind of like how you're far more likely to get robbed or mugged at night than during the middle of the day.) |
Why would you want a gym leader with dark type when there are 3 dark type E4 members.
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I... I never noticed there was never a Dark type gym O_o
I would love if there was one. I believe that Dark is an underrated type and needs more exposure. It is also a really useful type to you in battle, at least in my opinion. |
If there's not a Dark Type gym this Generation, I'm going to have to admit it's very improbable that we'll get one. There's no logical reason why the Dark Type has gotten the shaft Generation after Generation, when every other type has had at least one Gym Leader. Quite honestly, as a fan of the Dark Type in general, it's very frustrating.
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I really hope so. Dark is one of my favorite types.
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