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blue August 1st, 2016 5:11 AM

Alola Forms
 

Alolan Forms


Alola Forms (or regional variants) have been revealed!

Some Pokémon have adapted to the distinctive microclimates of the Alola region, taking on different forms than they have in other regions. These Pokémon are called regional variants. Taking root in the Alola region, they live like native Pokémon. Regional variant Pokémon can have different appearances and types, and their ways of living can also differ from that of the forms previously known.

*Below is a list of all the Alolan Pokémon revealed so far:
Spoiler:

Alolan Exeggutor

  • Coconut Pokémon
  • Grass/Dragon-type
  • Ability Frisk


Alolan Vulpix & Alolan Ninetales

  • Fox Pokémon
  • Ice-type (Alolan Vulpix)
  • Ice/Fairy-type (Alolan Ninetales)
  • Ability Snow Cloak


Alolan Sandshrew & Alolan Sandslash

  • Mouse Pokémon
  • Ice/Steel-type (Both)
  • Ability Snow Cloak


Alolan Meowth

  • Scratch Cat Pokémon
  • Dark-type
  • Ability Pickup/Technician


Alolan Marowak

  • Bone Keeper Pokemon
  • Fire/Ghost-type
  • Ability Cursed Body/Lightning Rod


Alolan Raichu

  • Mouse Pokémon
  • Electric/Psychic-type
  • Ability Surge Surfer


Alolan Rattata & Alolan Raticate

  • Mouse Pokémon
  • Dark/Normal-type
  • Ability Gluttony/Hustle


Alolan Grimer & Alolan Muk


Adam Levine August 1st, 2016 5:15 AM

It's awesome so far! I like how now they made a new type of variation. I do wonder, however, if normal forms will be available in the game, too.

Btw Alola Exeggutor is the funniest thing ever.

Alola Sandshrew and Sandslash are my favorites so far.

Sirfetch’d August 1st, 2016 5:18 AM

I assume Alola formes are this gen's "mega evolution". I wonder if they will have an expanded movepool or if it will just alter like Rotom formes. I am still quite hyped regardless. This is such a good addition to the games and something that I did not see coming. The Ninetales has me screaming it's so adorable.

Sabrewulf238 August 1st, 2016 5:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castform (Post 9346511)
I assume Alola formes are this gen's "mega evolution". I wonder if they will have an expanded movepool or if it will just alter like Rotom formes. I am still quite hyped regardless. This is such a good addition to the games and something that I did not see coming. The Ninetales has me screaming it's so adorable.

Actually I'm getting the impression that these Pokemon are just caught like this. It sounds like they've developed different on Alola for whatever reason.

stzy August 1st, 2016 5:21 AM

I didn't like the idea until I saw the video, tbh. I think it's pretty cool as long as there's not many Pokemon like this. And can we still use regular forms? I'm sure we can... we have to. Anyway I'm down for this. It seems to me like having albino pokemon (more than shinies).

The typings seem a little odd, though. I feel like they're just trying to balance out the new Fairy type even more... that could be why all these types seem to revolve around Fairy, Steel, Ice or Dragon. I haven't been keeping up to date with Sun and Moon though so I'm really just talking out of my ass.

Hikamaru August 1st, 2016 5:23 AM

Seriously, this was a mechanic I didn't expect but I recall there was a leak from recent that mentioned older gen Pokemon gaining alternate types. Guess that's what ended up being Alola Forms.

I love the new forms of the Sandshrew and Vulpix lines there, particularly due to their unique type combinations because I wanted Ice/Steel and Ice/Fairy to become a thing for ages now. Exeggutor looks odd, but hey it's another Grass/Dragon coming right after the last main series titles giving us Mega Sceptile.

Karous August 1st, 2016 5:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exn0s6Dukmk

So take this video and replace every reference to the film North with Alola forms and you would get my opinion on them.

I wouldn't be so sour if it weren't more gen 1 pandering bullshit, if the designs made any sort of sense, and they stopped beating around the bush and gave us more proper evolutions and/or tweaking the Pokemon to fit the current generation instead of redefining the same Pokemon over and over again. Honestly I could barely take them seriously.

jombii August 1st, 2016 5:37 AM

New type combinations and yet Exeggutor is my favorite among the alolan forms! He has a funny looking tail!

Starry Windy August 1st, 2016 5:37 AM

Personally, I didn't expect several Pokémon to have different variants, but I think it's the good thing since there are some variant that I wanted to catch. Yes, I'm digging into Alola Vulpix because it looks pretty, and so does its evolution who has Ice and Fairy typing. Now the next question is if we can still breed, let's say, the other region's Ninetales and having the other region's Vulpix (with Fire-type in it) as the offspring or not.

MarinoKadame August 1st, 2016 5:45 AM

I can see an Ice/Dark Houndour line Alola/Form and Mega Ice/Dark Houndoom

jfuze174 August 1st, 2016 5:48 AM

While the typing for nine tails and sandslash are pretty weird( how does a fire type and ground type from Hawaii become ice types) but I do find the concept cool and long over due I always wanted region differences for older Pokemon but I expected minor redrawns but never different types , this just opened Pandora's box on something cool

WingsofBliss August 1st, 2016 5:52 AM

I was utterly shocked at first, but now I love these new Formes. If you think about it, in real life there are several animals and plants that have different variants of their species from country to country. This is what the Alola Formes remind me of, and I think it's a really cool concept.

BubbleBeams August 1st, 2016 5:54 AM

I'm totally in love with Alolan Vulpix and Ninetails (so much!!). I wonder what will have to be used to evolve it? And I do hope that we can catch their regular variants naturally in the game somewhere rather than having to trade. Maybe it depends on which part of Alola you're in which variant shows up. Either way, it's a really cool concept that I've wanted for a while.

Exeggutor is so funny.

WingsofBliss August 1st, 2016 5:57 AM

I have a strange feeling that Alola-Exeggutor will create a meme within the next hour or so, haha.

MarinoKadame August 1st, 2016 6:03 AM

Alola Formes remind me of Orange Islands. So that mean can we get an official Crystal Onix ?

Karous August 1st, 2016 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfuze174 (Post 9346573)
While the typing for nine tails and sandslash are pretty weird( how does a fire type and ground type from Hawaii become ice types)

There will probably be dormant volcanoes on Alola. Both the Ninetales and Sandslash families have been associated with living near volcanoes in previous main series games, I can see them doing a backstory of the Pokemon living around the volcano until it became dormant, and then becoming Ice types to adapt to the new climate instead of leaving their homes.

This is the summit of Mauna Kea on the big island of Hawaii, for example:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Mauna_Kea_Summit_in_Winter.jpg

My theory is that there will be an expy of Mauna Kea on one of the Alolan islands, and this is where the Sandshrew and Vulpix will be found.

Lunar August 1st, 2016 6:08 AM

I like the route Game Freak are taking with Sun and Moon, it's really different and they're changing up the typical Pokemon recipe. I love the designs for the Sandshrew and Vulpix line and I'm sure we will get Alola Forms for more than just Gen One Pokemon when the full game is released.

Pinkie-Dawn August 1st, 2016 6:12 AM

I can't help but feel that these are just lazy attempt to fill up certain types rather than using original Pokémon or cross-gen evolutions.

Iceshadow3317 August 1st, 2016 6:18 AM

These are basically Delta Species Pokemon from the TCG. And I really like them. Especially the Ice Vulpix.

It is actually something that has been wanted by people. Even an entire Rom Hack revolves around the Delta Species. Which is basically the same exact concept.

Mana August 1st, 2016 6:29 AM

My Icetales will destroy alllll the dragonssssss.

I am hyped for this idea, I hope to see some more less-used pokemon (ala Sandshrew) get this make over. Preferably 'mons from Gen1/2.

classiccartoonsftw August 1st, 2016 7:21 AM

I think the Alola forms look very nice, but I wish they had named them Delta forms, just like Pokemon Insurgence.

That said, I hope they give Alola forms to Pokemon like Raichu, Parasect, Persian, Golduck, Jynx, Jumpluff, Mantine, Ludicolo, Shiftry, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Musharna, Gigalith, Golurk, and Druddigon.

Ducolamia August 1st, 2016 7:34 AM

I like that Gamefreak is stepping out of their comfort zone. I'm super happy(can't wait to add that vulpix to my team). Too bad it took 20 years to do it XD. Oh well, I'm glad we got it sooner.

Coconutteh August 1st, 2016 7:36 AM

Not sure how I feel about Exeggutor, but I am in love with the Alola!Ninetales and Alola!Sandshrew combos. They're so pretty!

I'm hoping they do a bunch of these for each island.

Entermaid August 1st, 2016 8:00 AM

I love ice/fairy Ninetails! Some concepts I would like to see:

Grass/Fairy Milotic - Serperior's Queen with floral scales
Flying/Fire Rapidash - Flaming Pegusus...need I say more?
Rock/Bug Vespiquen - Gold crown and armor encrusted with jewels.
Ghost/Fire Gourgeist - Jackolatern with orange hair with fried ends.
Steel/Bug Leavanny - Silver Filigree cloak resembling ornate leaves.

Sylphiel August 1st, 2016 8:11 AM

I seriously almost lost it over the Exeggutor, since...that's so ridiculous, ah ha.

Was definitely not expecting them to use the ice type, of all things! But I don't mind. And it makes Ninetales look absolutely beautiful. I mean, I'm not even the biggest Ninetales fan normally, and yet I think its new form is wonderful.

Give me more of these. :D

smocks August 1st, 2016 8:12 AM

Maybe there may be an Alola Flygon since GF original wanted a mega Flygon but couldn't make a satisfying design in time. ?

BUT ICE NINETALES UGH ITS TOO BEAUTIFUL.

Solar Snivy August 1st, 2016 8:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entermaid (Post 9346841)
I love ice/fairy Ninetails! Some concepts I would like to see:

Grass/Fairy Milotic - Serperior's Queen with floral scales
Flying/Fire Rapidash - Flaming Pegusus...need I say more?
Rock/Bug Vespiquen - Gold crown and armor encrusted with jewels.
Ghost/Fire Gourgeist - Jackolatern with orange hair with fried ends.
Steel/Bug Leavanny - Silver Filigree cloak resembling ornate leaves.

This.
These are all AMAZING. I want them.

Ultan August 1st, 2016 8:15 AM

The Ninetales/Vulpix look nice, Exeggutor looks funny. I just hope there is a way to keep Ninetales with Drought ability and its regular fire type too, as in I hope there is an option to have it like that without it being a transfer only type thing or make it so the Allola forms only appear in certain conditions.

blue August 1st, 2016 8:16 AM

Yeah, I can definitely see more of these being a thing. Apparently Kiawe who is one of them Island Trial Captains owns a Marowak which is leading people to believe we will be seeing a Fire-type Alolan Marowak. That sounds something that could look awesome imo!

Gulpin August 1st, 2016 8:17 AM

There's quite a lot of things that come up mechanic-wise with these new forms.

First, how will breeding work? I feel like we may be able to breed interesting egg moves onto each of these Pokemon that they never would've had access to before. Also, as for breeding itself, will all Vulpix hatched in Alola be Alola Vulpix? Or will it depend on whether it's parent is Alola/non-Alola. Additionally, the same goes evolution-wise. We don't know yet if there is going to be an Alola Exeggcute, but if there isn't, will all Exeggcute that evolve in Alola be Alola Exeggutor?

One thing that I really hope does not happen is the ability to switch these forms back and forth. For me, something like that would completely go against the story for how the forms came about.

As for other Pokemon that I'm looking forward to having an Alola version: the first that comes to mind is Tropius, as well as other tropical-ish Pokemon (Bellossom, Milotic, Kecleon, Natu/Xatu, Corsola, Numel/Camerupt, etc.).

Overall, I'm really excited to see where this new feature takes us. Not to mention the fact that I have a reason to use Exeggutor on my team now.

smocks August 1st, 2016 8:22 AM

SORRY FOR DOUBLE POSTING
but I just got a great idea.

So the theory correlating to the Mega Evolutions in SM being applied to Alola Forms instead.
The theory for SM Megas were : All that have been showcased in the SM trailers that don't have a mega & are fully-evolved and are not Gen 7 Pokémon are going to be having a Mega-Evolution.
So Pokémon lines like Flygon, Miltoic, Fearow, Dragonite, Pangoro, Eevee, & Krookodile (+ etc.) might be getting Alola forms.

Kinda out there since Mega-Moves are the "New Mega" and Alola Pokémon most likely have the same stats but, Alola Pokémon have different typing (and that's pretty useful considering Pangoro's typing lmao.)

Esper August 1st, 2016 8:32 AM

This really takes me by surprise, but I am pleasantly surprised. If this is done well, that is, if we can still be able to have the normal versions of Pokemon somehow, then I'll be pleased all around however it turns out they go about it.

I might actually want an Exeggutor now. That thing is hilarious looking.

Clark August 1st, 2016 9:07 AM

I'm in love with this concept! I think it's pretty clear by now that Game Freak has phased out the trend of adding new evolutions/pre-evolutions, so I'm glad we've got something new (besides Megas) to make old Pokemon interesting again. These forms will certainly coexist with the original variants, but I do wonder how breeding will work. Maybe the mother will simply pass down her form as well as her species? Exeggutor might be a strange case, too - will there be an Alola Exeggcute? Or will all (regular) Exeggcutes that evolve in Sun and Moon evolve into Alola form Exeggutor?
Quote:

Originally Posted by smocks (Post 9346907)
Kinda out there since Mega-Moves are the "New Mega" and Alola Pokémon most likely have the same stats but, Alola Pokémon have different typing (and that's pretty useful considering Pangoro's typing lmao.)

Actually, the official [description] for Alola Sandshrew says it's slower than ordinary Sandshrew. It likely has a lower Speed stat - probably with a higher Defense stat to compensate, based on the description.

Maserati777 August 1st, 2016 9:14 AM

So if you trade a Ninetales from X/Y over to Sun and Moon will it change form? Or will trading be the only way to get the original versions similar to Sawsbuck seasonal forms in X/Y.


If they do change then they would change back once you put them back into bank.


In terms of design, Exeggcutor looks cool. Almost wish it was a mega version of it.
Ninetales I'm on the fence, it looks alright but I do prefer the original design to it. I wonder what the shiny versions of these will look like.

Entermaid August 1st, 2016 9:15 AM

I like how it makes these forms seem integrated with the new regions. I wonder if this supports a Pangea-like geographical history. I will take these regional formes over megas any day.

Afterglow Ampharos August 1st, 2016 11:46 AM

Alolan Sandshrew and Sandslash are the bomb. Gotta love those designs and the fact they're re-re-appearing, no?

That said, they've got a serious misnomer. They've both still got "sand" in their name, and there's nothing sandy about them at all. How about: Sleetslash? Snowshrew?

Aw, this Shrew can't curl up anymore. That's sad. Oh well. It can go ice curling instead! The world's cutest curling stone. :3

I'm seeing some adorable Alolan Sandshrew fanart around, too!
http://i.imgur.com/4vcmIzat.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/3RZugaFt.png
Click here and here!


But man, we have to hope they buff Ice type this gen. It would stink if the Sandshrew line sucked yet again. It's strange how they consistently make ice types late game even though they suck. Like almost unanimously. It's probably the most baffling thing gamefreak consistently does. Defensively, Ice stinks, and the overwhelming majority of new ice types are inexplicably defensive. Including the Sandshrew line. A type chart shake-up could actually make the dozens of defensive ice types they keep making usable.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2016 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smocks (Post 9346907)
SORRY FOR DOUBLE POSTING
but I just got a great idea.

So the theory correlating to the Mega Evolutions in SM being applied to Alola Forms instead.
The theory for SM Megas were : All that have been showcased in the SM trailers that don't have a mega & are fully-evolved and are not Gen 7 Pokémon are going to be having a Mega-Evolution.
So Pokémon lines like Flygon, Miltoic, Fearow, Dragonite, Pangoro, Eevee, & Krookodile (+ etc.) might be getting Alola forms.

Kinda out there since Mega-Moves are the "New Mega" and Alola Pokémon most likely have the same stats but, Alola Pokémon have different typing (and that's pretty useful considering Pangoro's typing lmao.)

If the Eeveelutions get Alolan forms then we might be done with Eeveelutions, if they're mono type that is.
Vaporeon could be Flying. Flareon fighting. Sylveon could be Flying if it's not Vaporeon as Sylphs are air fairies.

I wonder why Exeggcute wasn't shown...does it still look the same in Alola unlike Vulpix, and Sandshrew?

Iceshadow3317 August 1st, 2016 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9347069)
If the Eeveelutions get Alolan forms then we might be done with Eeveelutions, if they're mono type that is.
Vaporeon could be Flying. Flareon fighting. Sylveon could be Flying if it's not Vaporeon as Sylphs are air fairies.

I wonder why Exeggcute wasn't shown...does it still look the same in Alola unlike Vulpix, and Sandshrew?

Exeggcute remains the same. It was shown in the Japanese trailer. Only Exeggutor is effected.

Not sure I like the idea of the Alolan forms of Eeveelutions. There are still a few that don't have an environment that needs one. Mainly Desert and Caves.

Afterglow Ampharos August 1st, 2016 12:31 PM


OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2016 12:46 PM

I'm thinking now that Alola won't introduce a lot of new Pokemon. Likely the Alola forms will cover for the deficit.

Hmm, if Yungoos isn't from Alola, then I wonder if Yungoos as we know it might be the Alolan form of the Yungoos was was brought into Alola originally.

Skip Class August 1st, 2016 12:47 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Sd4CUJd.png
jesus I can't stop laughing since Vulpix was the one retyping sprites I ever did in my childhood xD I thought it was never going to come true, but now my 15 year old self will be really happy.

Solar Snivy August 1st, 2016 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smocks
So the theory correlating to the Mega Evolutions in SM being applied to Alola Forms instead.
The theory for SM Megas were : All that have been showcased in the SM trailers that don't have a mega & are fully-evolved and are not Gen 7 Pokémon are going to be having a Mega-Evolution.
So Pokémon lines like Flygon, Miltoic, Fearow, Dragonite, Pangoro, Eevee, & Krookodile (+ etc.) might be getting Alola forms.

Here's the full list of old pokemon shown in the trailers. Might've missed some though.

Spoiler:
Salamence
Gengar
Metagross
Garchomp
Eevee
Pangoro
Krokorok
Zubat
Skarmony

I don't think any of these guys except maybe Zubat would get a new form, and I could see him being Poison/Dark or Dark/Flying.

Spoiler: In the newest trailer
Dragonite
Bagon
Salamence
Fearow
Delibird
Masquerain
Nosepass

Dragonite could become the more majestic Water/Dragon, Ice/Dragon, or Water/Ice type we always wanted. It's prior forms would also be easy to fit to the water and/or ice type.

Salamence I'm not sure of. Salamence already has a Mega, so I can't really see it getting an Alolan form. If it did, maybe Fire/Dragon cause of the volcanoes?

Fearow should get an Alolan form, because Pidgeot got something cool, so why not? I'm thinking Fire/Flying or Grass/Flying.

Delibird
would be kind of an odd choice, but it could be based on the Hawaiian form of Christmas, Makahiki, where wars were forbidden. Something like Grass/Flying would work.

Masquerain
is something I could see getting a new form. Fairy/Water,with a more delicate (and more watery) look. Surskit could be pure Water instead of part Bug, and with a more Fairyish look to it.

Nosepass
really doesn't deserve a new form. If it did though, maybe Steel and then Steel/??? for Probobass?

Nakuzami August 1st, 2016 1:21 PM

I certainly wasn't expecting to see this, but I totally love the concept. Super excited for it.

And for some reason I'm in love with the Alolan Exeggutor.

Majestic Electric August 1st, 2016 1:28 PM

Pokemon Variations confirmed!

I seriously wasn't expecting this at all, so this was quite the surprise. Alola Vulpix and Ninetales are my favorite ones. They're just so pretty! Hoping there will be more added to the game.

Sheep August 1st, 2016 1:38 PM

http://serebii.net/sunmoon/alolanvulpix.png

No words for how beautiful this foxy is. Alola Ninetales is also really really elegant and overall I'm very pleased with these forms, Exeggutor included (it makes me smile).

Cannot wait for Sun & Moon.

PlatinumDude August 1st, 2016 1:44 PM

As hilarious as Alola Exeggutor is, it's a nice shout out to old art for the Jungle expansion in the card game:



While I like the designs of Alola Sandshrew/Sandslash, the new type combo is just bad. 4x weaknesses to Fire and Fighting are asking for trouble.

François August 1st, 2016 1:45 PM

I like the idea of this so much but it's so frustrating to me that all of the ones revealed are from Kanto. I mean, after Pokémon Go I'm kind of sick of having the first generation being given such importance and the later generations being treated as if they don't matter at all. I really, really hope Sun and Moon don't have the same idea, but I really worry that they do.

Not everything after Kanto sucked, guys.

youngster_joey August 1st, 2016 1:45 PM

Reminds me of the old Delta Species Pokemon from the card game. I definitely didn't expect this to be a feature but I'm definitely psyched for it. The Sandshrew is my favorite. It has an igloo on it's head!

Also, I'm going to predict that Sandshrew-A is a Sun exclusive and Vulpix-A is a Moon exclusive.

Pinkie-Dawn August 1st, 2016 1:45 PM

http://67.media.tumblr.com/668f3d7514518be6aa32d6c029a6354c/tumblr_ob8mzl2uRv1tvr41fo1_1280.jpg

It's like they've planned this form all along.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zappyspiker (Post 9347165)
http://i.imgur.com/Sd4CUJd.png
jesus I can't stop laughing since Vulpix was the one retyping sprites I ever did in my childhood xD I thought it was never going to come true, but now my 15 year old self will be really happy.

Are you a wizard?

Rivvon August 1st, 2016 1:46 PM

Just you wait.

I'm willing to bet Real, Legitimate™ Currency that Pikachu will get an Alola Form but through some "unexplained genetic restructuring" the Alola Form Pikachu cannot evolve.

Mark my words. It will happen.




Quote:

Originally Posted by François (Post 9347289)
I like the idea of this so much but it's so frustrating to me that all of the ones revealed are from Kanto. I mean, after Pokémon Go I'm kind of sick of having the first generation being given such importance and the later generations being treated as if they don't matter at all. I really, really hope Sun and Moon don't have the same idea, but I really worry that they do.

Not everything after Kanto sucked, guys.

I genuinely want to thank you for this. It's truly refreshing to meet someone who feels the same way.

After XY's gen 1 pandering, the VC release of only the gen 1 games (and not gen 2's), and Pokémon Go, it's more frustrating than usual to have to deal with all the blatant disregard for anything outside of gen 1.

Afterglow Ampharos August 1st, 2016 1:51 PM

Pokémon Type-shifts confirmed canon.

Fans have been making Poison Typhlosions, Ghost Ponyta, and Glass Onix for a long time, and now it's a real thing.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2016 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9347293)
http://67.media.tumblr.com/668f3d7514518be6aa32d6c029a6354c/tumblr_ob8mzl2uRv1tvr41fo1_1280.jpg

It's like they've planned this form all along.



Are you a wizard?

Well the official site mentions that Alolans believe their version of Exeggutor to be it's true form. Considering the dex entry, and the old Jungle expansion of the card game, the Alolans are probably right.

Pinkie-Dawn August 1st, 2016 2:05 PM

Anyone believe that the Alola forms will have the exact same stat spreads as their regular forms?

tokyodrift August 1st, 2016 2:19 PM

I'm still not done fangirling over Vulpix/Ninetales. They've taken two of my favorite Pokemon and added my two favorite types. I can already tell I'll definitely be using one. Though, this makes me wonder if the hidden ability will be along the lines of Snow Warning since it originally got Drought.

None the less, I'm super excited for these games even more. I can't wait!

Edit:

Quote:

Alolan Ninetales live on a snowy peak that is revered in the Alola region as a holy mountain. They are treated as sacred emissaries, and people meet them with awe and fear. This Pokémon’s personality is extremely gentle, and at times it has helped humans who seem to be in distress. However, it shows no mercy at all to anyone or anything that dares to damage its territory!

The Alolan Ninetales is able to produce ice crystals from the fur that covers its body. It can use these ice crystals to block attacks, or it can form balls of ice with them, which it fires like bullets at opponents. The power of these ice missiles is great enough to pulverize rock!
This sounds really interesting.

Caaethil August 1st, 2016 2:21 PM

"Kiawe is a captain whose expertise is in Fire-type Pokémon. Together with his Marowak, he studies the traditional dances that have been passed down in the Alola region."

I mean, uh... I'm not saying there's gonna be an Alola form Marowak, but, um...

Squirrel August 1st, 2016 2:28 PM

I am absolutely dying at how adorable the Alolan Sandshrew is and how amazing the Alolan Sandslash looks. In general I think it's a cool concept to have new formes of these Pokémon based on their migration patterns but it's a bit odd to me that such drastic changes are happening with them - I can understand Sandshrew becoming an Ice-type due to the climate it's adapting to but how is it suddenly able to produce metal plates onto its body using the same DNA as Sandshrew? It's not a big problem and doesn't stop me liking them but I feel like the changes may be a little too extreme in some cases to feel like it's just a migrated version of the Pokémon rather than an entirely new species. Ninetales as well bugs me - why could the current Ninetales not have an interesting second typing like the new version does? Again, I do really like these new formes but they feel a little sloppy haha.

Ultan August 1st, 2016 2:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9347351)
Anyone believe that the Alola forms will have the exact same stat spreads as their regular forms?

They may stay the same, they may get distributed differently and stay the same total, the Alolan Sandshrew/Sandslash's description on the Pokemon website says it is slower than a normal Sandshrew, also says something like excels defensively. Something along the same lines is mentioned in Sandslash's description.

I don't think they will all remain the same. Alolan Exeggutor uses a physical move, in the trailer not that means anything but regular Exeggutor has much better special attack than physical but it was more likely shown to that it learns different moves.

Rivvon August 1st, 2016 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caaethil (Post 9347390)
"Kiawe is a captain whose expertise is in Fire-type Pokémon. Together with his Marowak, he studies the traditional dances that have been passed down in the Alola region."

I mean, uh... I'm not saying there's gonna be an Alola form Marowak, but, um...

Here lies Ground/Ghost Parental Bond Mega Marowak
2013 - 2016
It was fun while it lasted.

Hikamaru August 1st, 2016 3:18 PM

Ultan has a point with the description of Sandshrew and Sandslash becoming slower with these new forms, which could imply the Alola Forms may have different stat spreads than their normal counterparts.

blue August 1st, 2016 3:39 PM

I think giving Ninetales an icy look is one of the best improvements it could get. It looks so majestic and I just love how both Vulpix and Ninetales look in battle!

jfuze174 August 1st, 2016 3:57 PM

I just can't wait to see alola arcanines typing be honest I'd like every Pokemon that's foreign to alola have alola forms , it can help with that Darwinism theme it's going for

Caaethil August 1st, 2016 4:04 PM

COUGH.

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COUGH.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2016 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Caaethil (Post 9347560)

I noticed that earlier too. However, the white hair could also be due to the effect of they're going for with the 'lighting'. However, it seems too big of a difference to be the lighting.

Caaethil August 1st, 2016 4:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9347570)
I noticed that earlier too. However, the white hair could also be due to the effect of they're going for with the 'lighting'. However, it seems too big of a difference to be the lighting.

You can actually see shadowing on its mane. It's a very specific area, too - parts of the kit used for riding seem to be the same colour Tauros' mane should be. You'd think they, along with other aspects of the image, would be lighter too. Finally, the horns and mane are pretty much the exact same colour, even though they are completely different on normal Tauros. If it was just the lighting, you'd see a notable difference.

But the obvious answer is yes, that is way too extreme to be the lighting.

Bellsprout August 1st, 2016 4:53 PM

only one I really like is vulpix/ninetales. I'm really surprised they didn't go ice/psychic or ice/ghost. I hope there's more to be seen!

Afterglow Ampharos August 1st, 2016 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirrel (Post 9347406)
I can understand Sandshrew becoming an Ice-type due to the climate it's adapting to but how is it suddenly able to produce metal plates onto its body using the same DNA as Sandshrew?

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Originally Posted by http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/alolan-sandshrew
The Alolan Sandshrew has a shell of ice covering its skin, which is like hard steel.

This leads me to believe there is no literal metal in Alolan Sandshrew, or "Snowshrew" as I've taken to calling it.

StarsMmd August 1st, 2016 5:38 PM

I've been hoping for a while now that hail gets a buff (frosslass being one of my favourite pokemon). Now I'm actually expecting it. We got new ice type forms which both have snow cloak for some reason. I feel like they're giving more options for hail teams. Maybe they'll introduce a defense buff or attack buff for ice types in hail and even make a swift swim/sand rush/chlorophyll equivalent for hail.

Afterglow Ampharos August 1st, 2016 5:39 PM

For those wondering why Alolan Exeggutor is dragon type: It's once again a name pun, similar to Mega-Ampharos.

(At least Ampharos was designed after partly a sheep and partly a dragon, but whatever)

There exists a palm tree called the dracaena marginata, aka the dragon palm and many other dragon-themed names.
http://www.llifle.com/Encyclopedia/SUCCULENTS/Family/Agavaceae/22865/photos/Yucca_draco_22408_m.jpg

Also, this is POSSIBLY not tall-Exeggutor's first appearance. Look at this old booster box.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Coxtyl0UIAA7PLK.jpg

Pinkie-Dawn August 1st, 2016 5:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Caaethil (Post 9347560)

Didn't they already show Tauros in-game from July's Japanese trailer, and it just happen to be a regular Tauros?

EC August 1st, 2016 5:55 PM

I wonder what caused Vulpix and Sandshew to become ice types in this region.

Solar Snivy August 1st, 2016 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9347721)
Didn't they already show Tauros in-game from July's Japanese trailer, and it just happen to be a regular Tauros?

Yes.

And I seriously doubt they would make a new form for it that looks so similar. It's not as if it's the only pokemon that's washed out.

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Originally Posted by EvilChameleon (Post 9347727)
I wonder what caused Vulpix and Sandshew to become ice types in this region.

Read their entries on the official website.

Drake22ice August 1st, 2016 6:01 PM

I don't know.. maybe they wanted to bring some old pokemon sun in with new forms to become new powerhouse pokemon. You never know when pokemon go will bring in later gens.. with location exclusive forms of pokemon

Iceshadow3317 August 1st, 2016 7:23 PM

I wonder how they will deal with evolution. Vulpix needs a fire stone to evolve, I wonder if it will still need a fire stone or if something else will take effect. Having an Alolan Vulpix needing a Fire Stone would kinda break the reasoning for it being Ice. So I wonder what they plan to do.

jfuze174 August 1st, 2016 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9347844)
I wonder how they will deal with evolution. Vulpix needs a fire stone to evolve, I wonder if it will still need a fire stone or if something else will take effect. Having an Alolan Vulpix needing a Fire Stone would kinda break the reasoning for it being Ice. So I wonder what they plan to do.

I'm guessing we get ninetails the same way as glaceon

Iceshadow3317 August 1st, 2016 8:00 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9347893)
I'm thinking Vulpix found naturally in the wild might be Ice type? Though another caveat with that is what if players actually want the Fire type Vuplix. Hm.

I am thinking they would use logic in a situation like this and have both forms. Only being different depending on the area in which it is found. I love the idea of the new forms, but like others, I am still hoping we can get both.

The Evil Mewtwo August 1st, 2016 9:09 PM

Yup, the Ice Type Pokemons are looking good. Exeggcutor is just very tall know.

Bay August 1st, 2016 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jfuze174 (Post 9347902)
I'm guessing we get ninetails the same way as glaceon

Was thinking same thing. I can see that happening.

Back on topic, the designs for these forms I think are need. Like everyone else, Vulpix/Ninetales are very pretty and Sandshrew very cute. Been seeing many folks amused at Exeggutor's form including myself haha.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2016 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9347914)
I am thinking they would use logic in a situation like this and have both forms. Only being different depending on the area in which it is found. I love the idea of the new forms, but like others, I am still hoping we can get both.

Has it been confirmed that we need to transfer over the originals from Gen VI or the R(G)BY to get them? I think I read it somewhere.

Iceshadow3317 August 1st, 2016 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9348047)
Has it been confirmed that we need to transfer over the originals from Gen VI or the R(G)BY to get them? I think I read it somewhere.

Not that I know of, unless I missed it. It says pokemon that have come over from other regions though, but I thought that just meant coming over in general. Having an instant change like that is not something I want to see. I would love to use both forms.

Also I would like to point out that we have a normal Arcanine in the Games, yet it was supposed to be getting an Alolan Form according to a leak.

Ducolamia August 1st, 2016 10:24 PM

For the whole Vulpix evolution thing, why can't we just raise it in the northern Alola climate and make it a Ninetales? ( We could do the ice rock thing like with Glaceon or use the never melt ice) Better yet, why not just make an ice stone for it to evolve with? I know some people might disagree, but remember while it's still part of the Vulpix family, it's Alolan. If it doesn't have the same type as a regular Vulpix it makes no sense to me to have it evolve the normal way. Why not just give it a dawn stone or something? Wouldn't a fire stone kind of kill it ;-;?

Kameken August 1st, 2016 10:39 PM

I like super saiyan blue ninetales and sandslash, but the coconut dragon makes me unconformable. And angry about the fact that we still don't have a proper grass/dragon pokemon, only alternate forms with that typing.

Iceshadow3317 August 1st, 2016 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9348047)
Has it been confirmed that we need to transfer over the originals from Gen VI or the R(G)BY to get them? I think I read it somewhere.

One of the leaks says Arcanine becomes a water type. However this is either false or both forms can be found in Alola in one form or another.

In the small trailer shown during the Hong Kong Championships, a wild Arcanine is battling a Rockruff. Arcanine is obviously the same color and model.

In other words, take the leaks PokeJungle posted with a grain of salt. Either it is false, or it is true and both forms can be found in the wild.

Edit: The leak said they must come from older games, however this is already countered by the fact that these pokemon can be found in the wild.

Benermerut August 1st, 2016 10:59 PM

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like vulpix and ninetales' new design. They look like they need a good brushing. Work some tangles out.

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Originally Posted by Kameken (Post 9348073)
I like super saiyan blue ninetales and sandslash, but the coconut dragon makes me unconformable. And angry about the fact that we still don't have a proper grass/dragon pokemon, only alternate forms with that typing.

Super agree about the Grass/Dragon thing. We need a real one. Base it off of snapdragons or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2016 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9348089)
One of the leaks says Arcanine becomes a water type. However this is either false or both forms can be found in Alola in one form or another.

In the small trailer shown during the Hong Kong Championships, a wild Arcanine is battling a Rockruff. Arcanine is obviously the same color and model.

In other words, take the leaks PokeJungle posted with a grain of salt. Either it is false, or it is true and both forms can be found in the wild.

Edit: The leak said they must come from older games, however this is already countered by the fact that these pokemon can be found in the wild.

It's also possible that it was for demonstration purposes. The Arcanine was pretty low leveled for a wild fully evolved mon, even if it does evolve by Stone.

Iceshadow3317 August 1st, 2016 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9348097)
It's also possible that it was for demonstration purposes. The Arcanine was pretty low leveled for a wild fully evolved mon, even if it does evolve by Stone.

That is true, but it could be QR Reader thing. In most cases, all pokemon they show in trailers can usually be caught in the region.

Also it is highly possible that Marowahk will have an Alolan Fire Type. It says that the Fire Captain uses one as his main pokemon.

TrendyHipsta August 2nd, 2016 12:51 AM

Aurorus got a neck buddy YAY!!! Exeggutor really caught me off guard with it's long neck. Who knew it would come back with such a powerful goofy appearance.

Now is the time for the sauropods to unite and take the long stands. Haha! I can't wait to put it on my team. <W <

Abby August 2nd, 2016 1:16 AM

One thing:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but the fire type trial captain has a marowak. I speculate that there will be an Alolan Marowak that gains fire type.

Banz August 2nd, 2016 1:33 AM

Omg, what is this giraffe Execcgutor. {D:}

On the other hand having different Pokémon forms for a different region is a cool idea. We were first introduced to this in the Orange Islands saga on the anime. Um, and Ninetales would have been better with a Ghost or Psychic secondary typing, maybe the Alolan Ninetales is based on a different story

Eruption August 2nd, 2016 1:52 AM

There have been some interesting posts in this thread with the Jungle box art and Exeggutor pokédex entry, it seems the idea for this form might have floated around for a while.

Personally I hope they use this new idea to make some forgettable pokémon become useful in battle. Farfetch'd for example if they stick to Gen I. Pika clones if they extend beyond Gen I. Poison Pachirisu would be cool, it lures you in with a cute look and then hits you with the deadly toxic.

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9347295)
Just you wait.

I'm willing to bet Real, Legitimate™ Currency that Pikachu will get an Alola Form but through some "unexplained genetic restructuring" the Alola Form Pikachu cannot evolve.

Mark my words. It will happen.

Please god no :(

Alola form Pikachu would be cool, but I can't deal with Raichu being ignored again.

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9347844)
I wonder how they will deal with evolution. Vulpix needs a fire stone to evolve, I wonder if it will still need a fire stone or if something else will take effect. Having an Alolan Vulpix needing a Fire Stone would kinda break the reasoning for it being Ice. So I wonder what they plan to do.

This is also a very interesting point. The people who have suggested the same evolution method as Glaceon are probably on the right track.

Caaethil August 2nd, 2016 2:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9347721)
Didn't they already show Tauros in-game from July's Japanese trailer, and it just happen to be a regular Tauros?

We still don't know if only the Alola forms with appear in game.

Maybe it isn't an Alola form, of course, but it certainly exists and is something.

blue August 2nd, 2016 3:18 AM

I do think Tauros will end up getting an Alolan form. Considering it hasn't got any evolutions or mega evolution, an Alola form would actually work quite well for it.

Y2A_Alkis August 2nd, 2016 3:42 AM

Welp. I was welcoming the new stuff they brought up to this point (especially the newly used design space regarding abilities, non-gym story, totem boss fights, etc), but the new Alola Forms struck a nerve.

I am more than ok with such forms in general, and Exeggutor is very well done. Changing only the secondary type, ability, and maybe stats. But giving old mons completely new types? The Sandshrew-line with Ground into Steel, well, ok, that's somewhat reasonable, I would've even be fine with Ground/Ice, but Ice/Steel? And Vulpix is just another piece of pie. How does a Fire mon change into Ice? It even evolves with a Fire Stone! Microclimates and all, but what the in the blue moon causes a such drastic change? I honestly can't wrap my head around it.

Hopefully I will get used to those forms until release, or I will have a very hard time enjoying the games :-/

Iceshadow3317 August 2nd, 2016 4:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Y2A_Alkis (Post 9348277)
Welp. I was welcoming the new stuff they brought up to this point (especially the newly used design space regarding abilities, non-gym story, totem boss fights, etc), but the new Alola Forms struck a nerve.

I am more than ok with such forms in general, and Exeggutor is very well done. Changing only the secondary type, ability, and maybe stats. But giving old mons completely new types? The Sandshrew-line with Ground into Steel, well, ok, that's somewhat reasonable, I would've even be fine with Ground/Ice, but Ice/Steel? And Vulpix is just another piece of pie. How does a Fire mon change into Ice? It even evolves with a Fire Stone! Microclimates and all, but what the in the blue moon causes a such drastic change? I honestly can't wrap my head around it.

Hopefully I will get used to those forms until release, or I will have a very hard time enjoying the games :-/

They moved to the mountain tops when they were brought to Alola so that they did not disturb the pokemon already in the Region. Over time, they have adapted and changed form. This is explained in the info on the main site.

Basically, it is no different than a normal animal or Eevee. Plus there is a such thing as Arctic Foxes who have changed because they live in cold and snowy climates. So it really isn't odd at all.

Y2A_Alkis August 2nd, 2016 4:37 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9348293)
They moved to the mountain tops when they were brought to Alola so that they did not disturb the pokemon already in the Region. Over time, they have adapted and changed form. This is explained in the info on the main site.

Basically, it is no different than a normal animal or Eevee. Plus there is a such thing as Arctic Foxes who have changed because they live in cold and snowy climates. So it really isn't odd at all.

I very well read the infos on the website, thank you very much.

But no fiber of my body believes that a firebreathing Pokémon changes from breathing fire to breathing ice only because it lives in a snowy area. Fire and Ice are polar opposites (pun not intended). From the elemental standpoint this makes no sense. Evolutionary-wise or whatever you might call it, yes, it somewhat does. As I stated before, I am behind of such changs when they aren't as drastic/more realistic/logical.

Stuff I can get behind:
- A Normal/Flying mon becoming Ground(+whatever) because it doesn't need to fly anymore.
- A Rock becoming Steel (or similar stone-y type) or gaining an "elemental infusion" because of some kind of exposure.
- Something gaining the Fighting type because it has to fight for survival in a rough neighborhood.
- Something gaining the Grass type because it is soooo lazy in a new, comfortable area/space, it doesn't move at all anymore and therefore plants overgrow its body.
- Something gaining the Dark type because in the new environment it has to hunt at night to survive.

Stuff that strikes me:
- An Electric type becoming pure Water because it likes to swim and didn't have the chance before.
- A whatever type becoming Bug because it starts to like eating flowers and honey.
- A Fire type becoming Ice just because it snows.

Maybe the rux of the matter in my ming lies within the difference of gaining a new additional type/changing only the secondary type in contrast to changing the primary/both types of a pokemon.
I hope I made myself more clear now.

MarinoKadame August 2nd, 2016 4:43 AM

If based on Delta species from TCG Alolan Pikachu would become Steel type same with his whole line.

GMeister August 2nd, 2016 4:51 AM

I hope GF will give some love for the 5th gen Pokes. I don't want all the Alola Form to be on 1st gen Pokes. Come on it's the 20th anniversary of the franchise and that includes gen 2 to 6.

MegaKuriboh August 2nd, 2016 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GMeister (Post 9348339)
I hope GF will give some love for the 5th gen Pokes. I don't want all the Alola Form to be on 1st gen Pokes. Come on it's the 20th anniversary of the franchise and that includes gen 2 to 6.

I agree, we got ONE 5th Gen Mega, which was Audino (and it was a terrible choice). I'd like to see some new forms for my favourite mons like maybe a rock type Conkeldurr or a ground type Stoutland.

mikey August 2nd, 2016 9:00 AM

It certainly is interesting. I'm not a big fan of it, but I am not opposed to something new like this. Gonna have to see what else gets this treatment.

MorganW August 2nd, 2016 9:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Karous (Post 9346544)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exn0s6Dukmk

So take this video and replace every reference to the film North with Alola forms and you would get my opinion on them.

I wouldn't be so sour if it weren't more gen 1 pandering bull****, if the designs made any sort of sense, and they stopped beating around the bush and gave us more proper evolutions and/or tweaking the Pokemon to fit the current generation instead of redefining the same Pokemon over and over again. Honestly I could barely take them seriously.

I feel the same way. What is even the point of this? It's just an excuse for Game Freak to stop thinking of new designs and please the genwunners. They could have just made new pokemon but they got to lazy. I can see why they did this though. Have you seen some of the new pokemon designs? XD. I absolutely love gen 5 but I thought it had the worst starters but I think we have a new contender. Rowlet is pretty good so I won't argue with that. Forgot the water starters name but we allready have a seal evolution line. What the hell even is Litten? (Apart from a Cat).

I think Sun And Moon will be pretty good games but some of the new features are really bad or good ideas that were poorly executed but I'm hoping the full game can change my opinion but so far it won't be easy.

Iceshadow3317 August 2nd, 2016 12:28 PM

For those saying Tauros is an Alolan, it is the lightning that is changing its color, so that specifically is not the Alolan Form of Tauros. In the video, the Tauros is the same color but changes as it picks up speed for an attack or what not.

Besides that isn't a big enough change. The Alolan forms we have seen go through a rather drastic change. However, that does not in anyway confirm that Tauros is not going to get one. I am just pointing out that the one people have seen is normal from what I have seen in the trailer.


And it isn't just Genwunners, although right now it is mainly Kanto and I hope they expand. But they're inspired by the Delta Species pokemon. People have wanted these in the game. Same for the Orange Islands like set up. it has also been wanted in the game for a long time.


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