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Mega Evolutions in Alola
So, we haven't had a single one revealed yet. It might be considered to be too early, but really. New Pokemon formes before Megas? Do you think Mega Evolutions are going to be less frequent this generation? If they are included, what are some Pokemon you want to see have Megas? Or would you rather Pokemon to have Alola forms that are permanent rather than temporary Megas?
MEGA LAPRAS PLEASE! And Milotic would be so cool. Classic, I know, but I love them. EDIT: Some people might be misunderstanding what I mean. Of course Game Freak isn't going to REMOVE Mega Evolutions. I'm asking if they will introduce MORE Mega Evolutions or not--putting them in the back in favor of Alola forms. Of course Megas are still going to BE there, but are they going to be a focus or just a thing of the past? |
Yeah, I highly doubt after all the emphasis they put on Megas that they'd just stop making new ones. As most others have guessed, I think they'll just make less, around 10-15.
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I feel like Mega Evolution might be a late game thing.
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I am really unsure about this, like everyone else. New stones, new way to have more powerful attacks. However, in past trailers, most of the Pokemons that were shown as an opponent had mega evolutions, and Flygon was part of the opponent Pokemons. I am not sure if Flygon is about to get a mega evolution or some sort of a form.
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Although there's been no update on the whole Mega Evolution concept, I do think it will be returning for S/M. It doesn't have to be the main focus of the storyline and it can easily be inserted at a later stage or even into the post game storyline. I don't think we'll receive anywhere near as many new megas as we did in Gen VI but I think we'll get a few!
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Mega Evolution has proven to be too popular to be scrapped, so if it stays on in Sun & Moon I could likely see it taking a backseat focus-wise and be a postgame thing.
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I feel like the Z-moves are a replacement for mega evolution in that they give any Pokemon a chance to be super powerful for a short time. If I understand how they work, there a specific hold items like mega stones but not specific to any particular Pokemon and can be used as long as the Pokemon has a move of the same type. That's sort of like giving them new types temporarily, at least in an offensive capacity.
Honestly, I think mega evolutions were fun, but I wouldn't be sad to see them go. Regional forms interest me a lot more. |
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I know people might be upset, but I either wish for:
A. Mega Evolutions only in the Post-Game or B. No Megas at all this game. The reason for point A is because I feel Megas are what ruined part of X and Y for me. You couldn't get them until post-game and when you do use them, they aren't that fun because you just steamroll through everything. It just gets boring after a while. It'd be better if the AI wasn't a 12/255 ( I went to look it up, yes some programmers hacked into the game to find this) but I digress. I would complain about Mega's being in the post-game for SUMO but with all the new features including Z-moves, they would be so cheap in battle. I want gamefreak to work on other things than making already OP mons even MORE OP. Plus, I'd like it if they'd limit it to either one or the other. You could either have a Z-crystal or and Mega. Not Both. The reason for my point B. is because I want Alola to not have to piggyback off the success of previous gens to work. We got Black and White, a game that was completely stand-alone and it worked great. Why can't Alola keep to itself? If they do add Megas for the purpose of money I won't mind, I just hope they are somewhat balanced. I'd hate to get a Mega Ring and a Z-crystal all at the same time. |
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I feel like Megas haven't reached their full potential yet. We have so many Pokemon but not that many. I realize that they will probably have to make a decision between new Pokemon, new Megas, or new Alola formes, and they will probably pick the latter two, so if we get any at all, it might be just a few. I can see it not being a focused thing, but I would really not like the games to just skip over it like "Well, we covered this all in XY. Done, moving on."
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Eh. The less said of it, the better. I was never really a fan of mega evolution, and I'd take these new forms over it any day of the week.
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I still want Mega Evolutions but for only one reason. We still don't have all of the major Pokegods of yore.
We have representations for Sapusaur, Rainer, Charcolt, Spooky, Beepin, and Dimonix. If they make a Mega for Butterfree (Locustod), Raticate (Raticlaw), Nidoking (Nidogod), and Nidoqueen (Nidogoddess) then I'll be completely content with no more Megas. |
If we don't see any hint, or mention of them by September then I will end up thinking that there's not going to be any new ones. This month is the best one for showing off Megas.
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I doubt they would drop them, battle mechanics rarely get dropped.
We had megas in ORAS, and I think if they were gonna drop it, they would have done it then. |
I think Mega-evolution will be making a return, otherwise it'll be a shame if they don't :(
But mega-evolutions completely being removed seems highly unlikely from the amount of hype it was given from the Pokémon Company and it was a whole new aspect to battling, it was a whole new feature. + if GF did want to remove mega-evolutions completely, why did they continue to add Megas in ORAS? And just a friendly reminder, Alola forms aren't Megas of previous Pokémon, they have the same stat total (I think so), they'd adjusted the stats very slightly. |
I definitely think there will be Mega-evolutions in the new game.
I think they are using the hype that Pokemon Go created with the original Kanto pokemon. Everyone is freaking out over them now, so the company is taking advantage of it and showing those forms first. As time goes on, I am sure they will reveal some new Megas. I hope there is a Mega Raichu, though :3 |
I'd be very surprised if Game Freak removed the feature entirely so I guess we'll get some more megas. I'm gonna go with the idea that they'll be a post-game think, with Alolan forms taking center stage during the main story.
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I've never been the biggest fan of Mega Evolution, but I'd be a tad pissed if GF suddenly dropped the feature after spending so much time promoting and hyping it up. Gen 6 already feels enough like a pointless filler gen. :(
That being said, if Sun/Moon did drop Mega Evolution, I wonder what that would mean for Gen 7's placement in the timeline? Remember that the timeline of XY and ORAS is based around AZ's war happening and Mega Evolution existing, so Sun/Moon lacking Megas would put Gen 7 in either of the older timelines (RBY/GSC or RSE/FRLG/DPP/HGSS/BW/B2W2) or an entirely new one. |
I'm skeptical about there being no new Megas in SM. Why make such a revolutionary new gameplay mechanic if they don't plan on making any more post the introductory gen? That's almost like saying "Hey, I know we made Fairy-Types last gen, buuuuuuut how about we make no new Fairy-Types this gen?"
And people are super excited for this "regional form" thing, but if, say, they don't make new Megas past this point, what's to stop Alola forms as being, well, Alola-exclusive? Will these "regional differences" be so appealing in the long run if they only apply in Alola, and not, say, other new (or remake) regions? If you love the idea of Alola forms, wouldn't you find "Sinnoh forms" and "Super Cool New Region forms" just as exciting? Well, if Megas can so easily be tossed aside in the very next generation, I would say the same could very well apply for "regional differences." So I'd say, for everyone's benefit, there should be some new Megas, even if it's a low number and mostly/completely delegated to the post-game. (And, as an aside, if it turns out there are some connections to Kalos in SM, it would actually be very appropriate for Megas to be a more post-game focused feature.) |
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The Megas introduced in OR/AS were all revealed before the release which was a disappointment to some because it meant there were no secrets left to discover in-game. |
Think of little Billy. His favourite Pokemon is Mega Charizard X. If you want megas gone, you are a heartless monster, and you are making little Billy cry. :'(
Not adding more on the other hand, I wouldn't really mind. I'd rather a few more to tide us over though. Maybe make the player's discovery of Mega Evolution a cool post-game arc. |
Here's another thing to consider:
What if Alola takes place in another separate timeline/dimension from the X/Y and ORAS? And the Alola formes are another form of evolution? While I'd hate to be the one who brings up the teneuous, rather meager and stupid connection between the games, it could entirely possible megas were removed. Not to mentioned all the rumors flying around the NX also being a handheld... I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say there is a chance they removed megas entirely, or at least, temporarily. |
I'm really not sure removing megas would work in their favour tbh. They have become such a big part of the franchise so to remove something so revolutionary would just seem a little off? It felt like they really worked hard and pushed this concept forward which means its probably something they'd like to continue if possible. Obviously the emphasis doesn't have to be anywhere near as much as X/Y had, but I still think they will fit into S/M somewhere. I'd even go as far to say we'll see even more new megas for gen VII.
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I do think that Megas will be in Sun and Moon, but similar to how they were in ORAS, where there was more emphasis on the primal evolutions, storyline, and post game to make up for XY's lackluster one. They were more of a mid-late game sort of thing.
Honestly I hope that we do get more Megas, but not Megas of the Pokemon that are already powerful fan favorites like Lucario, Garchomp, and Gardevoir. I feel like between Megas and Fairy typing, Gen 6 had a lot of balancing issues, so in order to fix that, they're introducing Z-Moves, to give weaker Pokemon without Megas a little bit of firepower behind them, and Alola forms to re-hype the old stuff. Plus, not only were Megas super popular (and they also fixed some boring shinies like Gengar), why would they go through all the work to design around 30 new Mega forms, only to dump them in the next generation? Unless Z-Moves are scrapped in Gen 8, and it becomes a cycle of some new gimmick every generation... But like a lot of people are thinking, if they ARE coming back, why haven't they shown any new Megas or even had confirmation that Megas are returning? |
I really don't get how anyone is even entertaining the idea that they would remove mega evolution for a generation. They have never done anything even close to that before and they just don't remove integral parts of the battle system. They've never deleted a move, or an ability, or a pokémon (even a forme!) before. Why would they decide to pull out dozens of essentially separate pokémon that people have enjoyed battling with for a main series game & remake?
I'd like some discussion on what their motivation for removing megas would be, I've not seen any of that and I can't think of any positives myself. It's not like the presence of megas in the game makes their job significantly harder, or that the existence of megas would strain any sort of plot. Maybe there won't be new megas this generation, but if there aren't then there's still gonna be a random point in the game where you receive a key stone and the mega stones will be findable somewhere, even if only in the post-game. |
I think Angie has a point. I don't think Mega Evolution will be scrapped in favor of Alola Forms but I think they can both coexist within Alola.
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Oh god, I hope not. I despise Mega Evolution with a burning passion. Let's take a break from it this time around. =/ I'd rather see more Alolan forms than Mega Evolution.
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It'll be weird and completely stupid on Game Freak's part to just drop Megas immediately after it was introduced because the backlash...
But I would really want to see more Alolan forms. Because I have more interest in those form designs than the Megas. |
I would quite like it if mega-evolutions were de-emphasised in this generation; and even ignored completely. I'm not particularly happy about the 'Z-moves' thing, which I see as rather redundant given that we already have megas.
Basically I'm worried about the power creep; I feel like the average strength of pokemon is increasing and getting to ridiculous proportions. Balance tweaks are good in principle but they shouldn't only involve weak pokemon getting stronger - strong pokemon should also get weaker. |
I'm holding out hope that any Mega forms with be revealed later or a surprise within the games. Mega Evolutions are essentially new Pokemon in their own right, so I highly doubt they would be forgotten so quickly.
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We had Mega Evolution in XY and ORAS, so it would be nice to have a break from it in my opinion. Or maybe that could be for post-game. |
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Some people are posting about removing Megas and that's not what I meant by this thread at all; of course Gamefreak isn't just going to REMOVE a feature entirely :x
It seems like Megas are kind of taking the backseat compared to Alola forms, though. Especially if Alola forms have stat changes. |
I don't think there's going to be any new megas this generation. But I really hope they don't take it out of the game. It wouldn't be very satisfying to transfer my XY and ORAS pokemon over to Moon and find out they can't make use of those mega stones. :/
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I wouldn't like to see megas removed completely, a post game scenario would be good, and a few new ones to mix up the pool would be nice.
Though I'm loving the Alola formes. My biggest issue with Megas was how much they influenced the competitive game, literally making 80% of people having the same teams. But in saying that, I'd miss my Mega Lucario and the hilarious Mega Slowbro if they were to scrap it. |
I think it will be a post-game thing
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If they really did remove megas, then my Kanto Team is completely ruin.
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I got a feeling that if theres any more megas they aint gonna reval them just yet. Its far to early befor th launch and for now thy want to roll out the new features the game will have as well as the new pokemon and alola form pokemon.
It just wouldn't make sens whatsoever to remove such a big mechanic to the game with no reason what so ever. I think they ar gonna wait till all the new pokemon aloa pokemon and features are released and when th full list of in game pokemon does come out we will see a few new and old megas in the list. So far I think the new aloa forms are pretty good bar one. The Alola Raichu... I mean what the heck is that thing? A powerpuff marshmallow version of one of teh sweetest kick ass electric pokemon? I am very hesitant to even go near that thing or use it in game its just to cute for me on teh cuteness factor. Thank the gods i like to specialise in ghost dark types |
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It doesn't seem like Mega Evolution is really going to be a big "thing" this generation like it was in sixth gen, but I still wouldn't be surprised if there were a few new Mega Evolutions introduced here and there. Maybe a few Pokémon will get it? Or maybe it'll be reserved for legendaries like Tapu Koko or the two mascot legends? I think they'll still be in the game though, because introducing them and taking them out one generation later would kinda stink.
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Maybe we'll finally get those gen 6 megas?
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"This fall, it all comes together in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon, except we're not gonna include the biggest addition to the series since the conception of the series itself!"
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Just wondering, theres been no actual confirmation of Ash-Greninja in Sun and Moon yet has there? Unless I missed it |
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As long as the game mechanic of Mega Evolution is not removed, I would be fine without having no new Megas for the time being.
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We need more Alola Forms, but with other Pokémon from other Generations.
For y'all who're complaining about no Mega Evolutions, do you seriously want to travel the entire region just to find a bunch of random stones just so you can temporarily power up your Pokémon in battle? That's why we don't need more Mega Evolutions. So we won't have to suffer the hassle of trying to find all the stones. Yeah, there's Pokémon Bank, but... |
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I think and hope there will be a few Mega Evolutions. Not too many though, I think If we got around 10, that would be perfect!
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So what if you have to find a stone? The Pokémon series naturally encourages exploration anyways with hidden goodies hiding around every corner--and with everyone so excited about Alola in general, why wouldn't you want to explore every inch of the region anyways? Finding the Mega Stones is just an added bonus! And I'd rather have a stone involved so that they don't become an overpowered mess like Mega Rayquaza............ Quote:
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Revealing more Mega evolutions would take the Alolan forms out of the spotlight which seem to be the main focus of S/M. It would be wise for them to reveal them just before the release or once all the Alolan forms have been revealed.
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I hope Mega Evolutions stay, BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT, please don't add any more. Just go on with Alolan Formes.
We have enough mega evolutions. Concepts like Alolan Formes and the Z-Move are way cooler. |
To be honest, I don't mind if Mega Evolutions stay, but unless they have severe handicaps or are post-game they suck out the fun of gameplay for me. Let me explain, sure, in competitive battling it helps a lot( since Hyper Training is introduced I can finally actually try competitive battling),but the main problem I had with them from the start was that they are SOOOOOO unbalanced. Taking out the fact that the AI in XY was a 12/225( People actually checked this) and that Junichi Masuda made the game easier on purpose for smartphone kids( I'm not joking when I state this. Just look up the interview) other than some important trainers like the champion or Korrina, NO ONE ELSE USES MEGAS IN-GAME. Like, when I use them, it's fun...for a while...but I just got bored with them afterwards as I just steamrolled through everything. Wouldn't it be cool if in late game you found a youngster with Mega Pidgeot? It would be amazing and actually set a challenge against your Mega! In ORAS/XY nothing stopped you from having a full team with Megastones. Yeah you could only use them once per battle, but if you know what you're doing it's pretty freaking easy to steamroll through everything. Plus you can switch and STILL BE IN the Mega form. It's insane.
I get it, it helps pokemon that were garbage/meh-ish to actual become better, but they need to balance it somehow. As much as I loved to use them, they need some more handicaps.( Like one Mega stone on ONE Pokemon for battle. That's it. Or if not, just make it post-game). I know some people might be turned off by my idea, but damn Megas are way too OP and unfair to some pokemon who are popular coughMewtwocough. I'm actually pretty glad Alola forms exist given that they actually give Pokemon that need it a PERMANENT change to their typing and stats than having it be temporary. |
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That being said I do think keeping the mechanic confined to the post-game would not only help prevent powering through the main story as you said, but also give the player some incentive to give another pass through the region and act as at least some sort of post-game feature, even if it's minor compared to post-games of old. |
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P.S. Mega Flygon please? Or at least an Alolan Flygon so it gets a boost? Please? |
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But like you said, it's mainly because the storyline is getting easier with every new game. Kids these days are more likely to pick up a smartphone than a 3DS (because you know, mobile gaming popularity) so they may not know how the main Pokemon games work, and that's why we have things like catching tutorials that are being forced at the start in every game, and with the new battle interface now having effectiveness indicators on your move selection screen it shows that Sun & Moon are being even more newcomer-friendly. It's due to keeping the main story easy for newcomers that we didn't see many NPCs use Mega Evolution in 6th Gen. I don't mind if Mega Evolution is kept to the postgame since the mechanic is not getting focused anymore but at least give some incentive to want to complete the main story, like you said. |
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Alola forms aren't a major stat boost, they just change the type AFAIK. |
I think Alola Forms will get stat changes, since Alolan Sandshrew and Sandslash's bio mentioned they did get slower with their new form.
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I liked Mega Evolution last Gen but the ones who got them was odd although I like how it changed some neutral looking Shinies. (Although I may be biased as I have a Shiny Female Garchomp)
Whilst I like most of the Alohan forms I'd like to see Dragonnite get something this Gen after being overlooked last Gen. Either a Mega Evolution or an Alohan form (Maybe Dragon/Fairy) would be good. |
I think Alolan forms will be in story line and megas will be Post game.
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I hope to see more MEs and form/es like Primal Reversion... Though I don't expect more than 20 overall...
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i want mega rayquazas dragon accent to be altered into a z move if mega evolution do come back
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That... may actually make it less OP. Because Rayquaza would have to hold the Flying-Type Z-Gem thing in order to use it. Whereas before it was just a tutor move and Rayquaza could hold any Item it wants... That's really interesting. I definitely wouldn't be against that.
But then it would heavily imply some sort of connection between Z-Moves and Mega Evolution. Not that that's a bad thing, but there'd have to be some lore to go along with that. |
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hmmm makes me wonder how thats gonna effect deoxys as it initially changed form depending upon region due to the differences in climate between hoenn, kanto & orre |
Sadly, I don't think megas will return, especially when the creators have been stressing all of these new mechanics (Alola Forms, Z-Moves, etc.)
I have a feeling that they're gone for good. |
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So with the reveal of certain Pokemon having exclusive Z-Moves (as shown with Snorlax and Alolan Raichu in the new trailer) who thinks this mechanic is replacing Mega Evolution altogether? Remember we still haven't had any hints to Megas returning.
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I don't understand why people think they're going to get removed? I can't think of any form besides Gizamimi Pichu and Shadow Pokemon that were exclusive to one generation, much less a major feature of that generation. They went through the trouble to keep making Skymin, Therian genies, Deoxys, etc. in the game and Rotom is even getting a new form after three generations.
What is almost certain is that megas are going to get reworked, like tweaking abilities or BST. I believe one of the devs is on record talking about nerfing Mega Kanga and megas as power creep is a hot topic in the competitive community. They probably are going to focus on Alolan forms and Z moves this time around and there will be no new megas, given that they were a massive failure as far as game balance goes so it is probably best not to introduce more for the time being. |
Do you think Megas will return?
This really has me concerned honestly. The thought they'll be thrown out the window for something as gimmicky and broken as Z-moves is kind of worrying as a competitive player.
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They'll return, there just probably wont be new ones.
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You're worried about Megas being replaced by something broken? Did you even play Gen 6?
Kidding aside, there's no way they'd remove a feature so huge it was advertised across a whole Generation, tossing aside 50 designs in the process. Think of the backlash Game Freak would get for making Pokemon like Beedrill, Mawile and Kangaskan useless again. There's also the fact that two characters from XY appear (and seem to have Mega Rings) in this game, and the fact that Generations will show Megas again and it would be weird to show them again just to say "Hah hah, your favourite Pokemon designs are gone". They must be available during the Post Game. I'm not entirely sure if they're gonna give us new ones, but there's no way they'd be gone entirely. |
Yeah, but it's hard to say whether there will be new megas or not. I'd assume if there are any new megas then there would be a significantly lower amount than XY/ORAS introduced. With Alolan forms being the main focus for S/M, I can't imagine all that many Pokemon receiving a new mega tbh.
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Pretty sure Megas will return, but I don't see why you think Z-Moves are broken. You can use them once per battle and that is it. Everyone will probably have one, so it balances out.
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Guys, come on. Megas will be back. That's a lot of IP to just throw out the door and Pokémon games have always been cumulative.
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I found something in the recent trailer that seems to indicate the return of mega evolutions. Near the end, you see 4 characters using z-moves, a quick clip of solgaleo, and then the main character going through another motion sequence. If you watch the video at 1/4 speed, you can see that while the character motions are similar, the graphics are different in this final sequence. Instead of the reddish-orange background flare that the z-moves produce, this motion produces a couple of rainbow-colored starburst patterns.
Now, I could be wrong, but this seems to indicate mega evolution to me. |
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Maybe not OHKO moves because then they'd be absurdly OP in competitive play but I imagine they'd at the very least ignore protection moves and maybe have very high priority, in addition to having super-high base power. But hey I could be completely wrong and next year we'll see Talonflame carrying Ultra-Mega-Death-Fire Z-Stones so it can use it to OHKO anything Brave Bird doesn't already seriously anything's possible 乁(ツ)ㄏ
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Well, we did see Pikachu use a Normal type Z-move only do like 50% to a non resisted Pokemon, so they might not be all broken.
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I think mega evolutions will still be included in the game, just with less emphasis placed on them. The Alolan Formes are supposed to catch people's attention more as it is a new feature. There will likely be less mega evolutions released for Sun and Moon so that they won't have to compete in the limelight with new Alolan Formes but who knows at this point! If mega evolutions are included, I'd say that they're either going to be included mid-game or post-game depending on how important of a role the Alolan forms play in the Sun and Moon storyline.
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The problem with not having seen a single Mega Evolution at all yet could lean in either direction:
Either there are no new Megas whatsoever, so they don't want to show any in the pre-release materials to get peoples' hopes up. Think of how they showed small snippets of Pokémon-Amie or the character customization: they haven't officially announced either of these things but through what we've seen of the trailers, they do have new aspects to them. If there are no new aspects to Mega Evolution (aka no new Megas) there's a good chance they don't want to show it occurring before SM's release. On the other hand, they may still be waiting to show off its return, and the reason why they're waiting for so long is because they have something major to show alongside it (aka new Megas). You also have cases such as the final starter evolutions not being shown before the games' release. Of course they will be there, but we just don't get to see them. For "important" things sometimes they do take a long time to reveal them. So... right now things could go either way. We have another news update in a few days and we have the rest of the month, all of October, and even the beginning of November for anything to be shown. It's literally anyone's guess at this point. |
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http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=9420853&postcount=2050 I guess it appears we have closure, in case if anyone's paying attention to this thread. So yeah, Mega Evolutions do appear to be here to stay, albeit less focused. |
Thought I'd throw this out there for some opinions.
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Anyone think this could be one of the mega stones? It seems to resemble the mega stone sparkle from gen VI. If that is the case, then it looks like this can be found on what appears to be the second island which would suggest that mega stones are in fact available during the storyline. I know they've already been confirmed to be in the games, but some people think that it may be postgame content. |
You know, I think that does look like the sparkles that you find a Mega Stone in. So maybe we can collect them during the story, but then the question is when would we be able to get a Key Stone that fits into the circle indent on the Z-Ring?
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So at this point we just need to wait until new ones are revealed? I hope we get new ones. I know pretty much everyone wants them, but knowing GF, they don't care.
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My guess is still leaning towards no new Megas, though. Blame me always believing a bunch of trailers as the reason why. |
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